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Posted: 7/24/2017 6:57:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: grimhollow]
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coltsfan:
Anyone loading any of the 220 nosler bt's with 1680? Theres a little load info out there but just wondering if you guys have any pet loads? Also wondering if the bullet performs well enough for deer out to 100yards. (ETA: This was with 1680) |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 10:26:04 PM EDT
[#2]
H-110 and W-296 are the same powder sold by 2 different companies, each with their own packaging. (name)
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Posted: 7/30/2017 4:51:16 PM EDT
[#3]
For those curious 18.0gr of H-110 gave the following results today with a 125gr Nosler BT, 10.3" barrel:
First string: 2143, 2133, 2140, 2136, 2126, Average: 2135 ES: 17 SD: 6 Second string: 2133, 2119, 2150, 2129, 2119 Average: 2130 ES: 31 SD: 12 |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 7/31/2017 2:56:35 PM EDT
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Heads up on case making. Make sure you clean any fine brass cuttings (powder) out of cases before
loading. I noticed the "gold dust" but didn't think too much about it. My gun, 16" barrel with pistol gas, threw fired cases about 10-15 feet at 5 o'clock until it quit working. Finally found the problem causing it to be under gassed to the point it would not eject cases. The carrier key was packed about half the length of the key with brass powder and carbon. It was like concrete. Had to drill it out. I have to admit I really "lit it up" at the range on El Presidente when it quit working. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/31/2017 5:47:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vernm2:
Heads up on case making. Make sure you clean any fine brass cuttings (powder) out of cases before loading. I noticed the "gold dust" but didn't think too much about it. My gun, 16" barrel with pistol gas, threw fired cases about 10-15 feet at 5 o'clock until it quit working. Finally found the problem causing it to be under gassed to the point it would not eject cases. The carrier key was packed about half the length of the key with brass powder and carbon. It was like concrete. Had to drill it out. I have to admit I really "lit it up" at the range on El Presidente when it quit working. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 8/1/2017 7:52:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: steelworker]
[#6]
245 gr. Missouri blackout bullet
11.8 gr. CFE BLK 2.020 oal Runs great suppressed or not. Bolt holds open. No accuracy testing done yet Edit: Also forgot to mention that it seems quieter than AA1680 |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 8:47:04 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
For those curious 18.0gr of H-110 gave the following results today with a 125gr Nosler BT, 10.3" barrel: First string: 2143, 2133, 2140, 2136, 2126, Average: 2135 ES: 17 SD: 6 Second string: 2133, 2119, 2150, 2129, 2119 Average: 2130 ES: 31 SD: 12 |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 8:59:25 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steelworker:
245 gr. Missouri blackout bullet 11.8 gr. CFE BLK 2.020 oal Runs great suppressed or not. Bolt holds open. No accuracy testing done yet |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:00:32 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
That's interesting. I might buy some of those bullets and try them out. I'm about 100fps slower with 125 grain Sierra's and the same powder charge, out of a 10.5" barrel. Thanks for posting your results. 
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Posted: 8/1/2017 10:32:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sheltot]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
That's interesting. I might buy some of those bullets and try them out. I'm about 100fps slower with 125 grain Sierra's and the same powder charge, out of a 10.5" barrel. Thanks for posting your results. Sierra 125 gr 2120, 17.9 gr. W296 59 degF 2126 fps 2149 2166 2164 2152 Std. Dev. 40 fps |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 9:34:33 AM EDT
[#11]
I'm finally getting my 220 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip Hunting bullets tonight. I'm going to work up a subsonic deer hunting load with CFEBLK or Lilgun in a 9" suppressed barrel.
Judging by the following data which was gathered with a 16" barrel, I'm going to start at Hodgdon's max loads and work up to 1060fps or pressure signs (whichever comes first). Sound reasonable?  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:22:10 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rickesis:
I'm finally getting my 220 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip Hunting bullets tonight. I'm going to work up a subsonic deer hunting load with CFEBLK or Lilgun in a 9" suppressed barrel. Judging by the following data which was gathered with a 16" barrel, I'm going to start at Hodgdon's max loads and work up to 1060fps or pressure signs (whichever comes first). Sound reasonable? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380475/Hodgdon-269487.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380475/header-269489.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380475/Nosler-269488.JPG |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 1:13:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rickesis]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
You do realize these bullets won't expand at 300 blk velocities? 
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Posted: 8/2/2017 2:07:00 PM EDT
[#14]
Ok, not the bullet I was thinking of.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 8/2/2017 5:53:03 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rickesis:
Strange. That's exactly what they were designed to do. I'm assuming you've tested these personally or have seen testing to indicate otherwise? http://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/300-BlackOut_1000fps-600x480.jpg http://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BT_30-220gr_RN_Sectione-Bullet-600x141.png https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380475/gth-269635.JPG |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:25:50 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coltsfan:
This is the bullet I mentioned in my earlier post. I've got 100 of them but haven't had the time to load any up. Thinking about using 4227 instead of 1680. Please keep us updated on your progress. 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2017 8:57:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Ok, I tried loading up some of the 220 ballistic tips and stopped at 2. Not sure what's up with my hornady full size die bit it damaged both bullets. It left a ring around the bullet just below the polymer tip and deformed the bullets. Any suggestions?
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Posted: 8/3/2017 10:44:55 PM EDT
[#18]
Call Hornady ask about getting the proper seater. 1-800-338-3220
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WA, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2017 11:13:01 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
Call Hornady ask about getting the proper seater. 1-800-338-3220 |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:09:40 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rickesis:
Originally Posted By Coltsfan:
This is the bullet I mentioned in my earlier post. I've got 100 of them but haven't had the time to load any up. Thinking about using 4227 instead of 1680. Please keep us updated on your progress. http://i.imgur.com/SWkDuaq.jpg And had issues. Everything was fine and then a Bullet would only seat about a 1/4 " and everything would go crazy. And crimp the crap out of the case. Turns out all the moving parts inside the seating die, would slide far enough apart, from the long bullet, to not support eachother. Everything eat its self and went south fro there. Hornady replaced everything and I went with a skinnier bullet up near the tip, so the two parts are slid into eachother to prevent this. My point is it started with a ring in the bullet. I'm sure it's in this thread...someplace. (With pics) |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:14:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mybronco2]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coltsfan:
Ok, I tried loading up some of the 220 ballistic tips and stopped at 2. Not sure what's up with my hornady full size die bit it damaged both bullets. It left a ring around the bullet just below the polymer tip and deformed the bullets. Any suggestions? I quoted the wrong post, my above reply was for you. Check the two parts in the die. Mine locked up and would push the crimp ring down with the setter.......very hard to explane Edit... i looked in this thread and can't find it in the 300 blk thread, must be in the normal reloading forum April or may of 16?? I'm over it.. bed time |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 9:30:24 AM EDT
[#22]
The loads I showed above were made with RCBS dies. I did notice slight deformation of the bullet, and you can see some refraction of light in the pictures just below the tip.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 10:39:41 PM EDT
[#23]
Im VERY interested in seeing what you do with them.
I'm loading the 208 ELD and its not anything I would want to shoot something with. I havent tried anything new in awile. Reloading stuff is packed away... 
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Posted: 8/5/2017 8:40:51 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
Call Hornady ask about getting the proper seater. 1-800-338-3220 |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 9:51:10 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadCowRacer:
What should I ask them for. I'd rather get a separate set of dies to load this round than monkey with the seating plug and the setup for two different bullets. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:12:20 AM EDT
[#26]
Where did you guys find those Nosler 220 BTs? I am VERY interested in playing with some of those. Thats a reasonable price compared to the Lehighs.
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Posted: 8/6/2017 10:22:00 AM EDT
[#27]
That question needs to be asked in the tacked "where to find" thread at the top of the page.
Don't get this thread locked. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:34:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Can anyone suggest a starting point for the following combo? My goal is to make a supersonic plinking round for a 9" pistol gas AR.
I'll be using 150gr Hornady fmj seated to 2.080, A1680, cci 41, and Hornady casings. Accurate's data states 19.4 grains with a 150gr fmj as a minimum. The thing is, the powder seems very high in the case at 19.4 grains. As I increase the powder charge by .3 grains the OAL grows with each increment and resistance on the lever increases slightly. I don't hear any crunching but this tells me they're probably already compressed at 19.4. OAL was longer at 19.4 than with the dummy round I made while adjusting the seating die. I don't feel safe firing any of these and thought I'd check in with you all first. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:29:28 PM EDT
[#29]
I was having issues with A-1680 filling the case before reaching a full load.
I was at 21.5 grs A-1680. OALl 2.12. I switched to Lil'Gun, used Hodgdon data. I'm using 15.5 grs LilGun with a Hornady 150 gr SP #3031, OAL 2.070. Haven't tried CFE blk yet with this bullet. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:31:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nevare_Thomas]
[#30]
@jgieske
The accurate data I have doesn't list the hornady bullet but a sierra 150 bt at 2.15 col. The Hornady 9th lists the 150 gr fmj at 2.220 col with 15.4 as a starting load. While the accurate load tables show a compressed load your col seems a bit short. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2017 12:11:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nevare_Thomas:
@jgieske The accurate data I have doesn't list the hornady bullet but a sierra 150 bt at 2.15 col. The Hornady 9th lists the 150 gr fmj at 2.220 col with 15.4 as a starting load. While the accurate load tables show a compressed load your col seems a bit short. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2017 12:27:35 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
I was having issues with A-1680 filling the case before reaching a full load. I was at 21.5 grs A-1680. OALl 2.12. I have lilgun too but wanted to try 1680 because I have a lot of it. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 8:09:12 AM EDT
[#33]
Yes I tested A-1680 and I posted the load I ended up with.
This was back when A-1680 was very hard to find a couple of years ago. My main use for A-1680 is in 7.62x39, and I didn't find it a good fit in supersonic 300 blk loads. So I quit using it in 300 blk, switched to Lil'Gun that doesn't have to use compressed loads like A-1680. It will work in 300 blk, but not for me. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2017 3:30:09 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jgieske:
Can anyone suggest a starting point for the following combo? My goal is to make a supersonic plinking round for a 9" pistol gas AR. I'll be using 150gr Hornady fmj seated to 2.080, A1680, cci 41, and Hornady casings. Accurate's data states 19.4 grains with a 150gr fmj as a minimum. The thing is, the powder seems very high in the case at 19.4 grains. As I increase the powder charge by .3 grains the OAL grows with each increment and resistance on the lever increases slightly. I don't hear any crunching but this tells me they're probably already compressed at 19.4. OAL was longer at 19.4 than with the dummy round I made while adjusting the seating die. I don't feel safe firing any of these and thought I'd check in with you all first. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2017 5:05:38 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARTNC10:
I'd save that 1680 for heavy subsonic rounds like 200g and above. It's a great powder for that. There are much better choices for supers as already stated by others. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARTNC10:
Originally Posted By jgieske:
Can anyone suggest a starting point for the following combo? My goal is to make a supersonic plinking round for a 9" pistol gas AR. I'll be using 150gr Hornady fmj seated to 2.080, A1680, cci 41, and Hornady casings. Accurate's data states 19.4 grains with a 150gr fmj as a minimum. The thing is, the powder seems very high in the case at 19.4 grains. As I increase the powder charge by .3 grains the OAL grows with each increment and resistance on the lever increases slightly. I don't hear any crunching but this tells me they're probably already compressed at 19.4. OAL was longer at 19.4 than with the dummy round I made while adjusting the seating die. I don't feel safe firing any of these and thought I'd check in with you all first. |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 6:32:55 PM EDT
[#36]
I'm getting horrible accuracy from my sub loads, I'm talking 12 moa bad .
Bullets: NOE 247gr cast from straight wheel weights, powder coated and sized to .309". Cases: Once fired factory brass (not converted). Case prep: • Resized so the shoulder is pushed back .002" from a fire formed case. • Trimmed to 1.355" if needed, all pieces are chamfered and deburred. • Primer pockets are uniformed. • Necks are expanded with a NOE .312" expander ball. Load, seating, crimp: 11gr of H4198 for ~1040 FPS. Bullets are seated to the top driving band and crimped with a Lee FCD just enough to remove any bell left from the expander. I'm using a Ballistic Advantage 8" 1/8 twist pistol gas barrel that slugs to .307" which should be perfect. The bullets make a strange "wizzing" sound when fired but aren't keyholing and there's no leading in the barrel. This has been really frustrating and I'm about ready to call it quits. Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm this accuracy issue? |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 10:20:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
[#37]
I would try sizing to .310 and a little more crimp.
When I started loading 300 blk, I wasn't crimping and accuracy was poor. Started crimping with a Lee FCD and accuracy was greatly improved. Try that first. Look down on FCD, notice the 4 slots in the collet. Adjust crimp so that gap closes half way, and you have what I call a normal crimp. Close gap 1/4 way= light crimp. Close gap completely= heavy crimp. These are my terms/method, good luck. Eta, one more thing. What are you using to expand the necks of your cases? I use a Lyman "M" die. Lyman M die If you scrape any of the bullet when you seat it, accuracy will be terrible. |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 10:35:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Hammer]
[#38]
I'm using a Lee universal expanding die with a NOE .312" expander plug. Here's a bullet that I just pulled.
 Attached FileUsing your terminology I'm doing a 3/4 crimp. Any idea why the bullets would make a "wizzing" shound when fired? |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 10:51:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
I would try sizing to .310 and a little more crimp. When I started loading 300 blk, I wasn't crimping and accuracy was poor. Started crimping with a Lee FCD and accuracy was greatly improved. Try that first. Look down on FCD, notice the 4 slots in the collet. Adjust crimp so that gap closes half way, and you have what I call a normal crimp. Close gap 1/4 way= light crimp. Close gap completely= heavy crimp. These are my terms/method, good luck. Eta, one more thing. What are you using to expand the necks of your cases? I use a Lyman "M" die. Lyman M die If you scrape any of the bullet when you seat it, accuracy will be terrible. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:12:06 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
Why does it say that expander die is only for those 3 calibers? Seems kind of odd... I may need to pick one of these up as well, I'd like to put a very slight belling on my cases when I start loading some powdercoated bullets Big difference between case length of 30 caliber and 30-06. For 300 blk, get the one meant for 30 carbine, the short one. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 12:15:40 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Hammer:
I'm using a Lee universal expanding die with a NOE .312" expander plug. Here's a bullet that I just pulled. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/299792/image-280675.JPG Using your terminology I'm doing a 3/4 crimp. Any idea why the bullets would make a "wizzing" shound when fired? I started with the Lee expander, tried the M die and quit using the Lee. I suggest you size to .310 after powder coating. Lee doesn't make that size, I just opened up a .309 sizer. Drill motor, dowel, 400 grit sandpaper. Stop often and size a bullet to check your progress. Good luck |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 1:47:44 PM EDT
[#42]
I am not getting enough expansion out of the lyman 30 short M die. Going to try the Lee universal expander die next.
Was shaving the coating off the 220gr leatherhead bullets. Of course, I could be doing something wrong 
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Posted: 8/15/2017 3:13:14 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 99avant:
I am not getting enough expansion out of the lyman 30 short M die. Going to try the Lee universal expander die next. Was shaving the coating off the 220gr leatherhead bullets. Of course, I could be doing something wrong You sure you have the short 30 cal M die? I have to be careful to not get too much expansion. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 9:30:19 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
Case neck or bell at the end of the case? You sure you have the short 30 cal M die? I have to be careful to not get too much expansion.  Attached FileEnd of the case will shave coating from the base of the bullet |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 10:06:19 AM EDT
[#45]
You are either adjusting it incorrectly, or have a defective die.
Contact Lyman for help, let us know what they say. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 4:58:19 PM EDT
[#46]
I'm willing to bet I was doing something wrong. Having a much better time using the Lee Universal Expander.
 Attached FileGetting a mark from the seater, might try another stem or more neck expansion |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 12:22:11 PM EDT
[#47]
I've decided I'm going to load .300blk in bulk on my 550b. I'm going to have to bell the case. I've been trying to avoid this, but I'm going to bite the bullet.
What dies and conversion do I need to make this go as smoothly as possible? |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 12:49:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Unkydon]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CKyleC:
I've decided I'm going to load .300blk in bulk on my 550b. I'm going to have to bell the case. I've been trying to avoid this, but I'm going to bite the bullet. What dies and conversion do I need to make this go as smoothly as possible? |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 12:55:14 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CKyleC:
I've decided I'm going to load .300blk in bulk on my 550b. I'm going to have to bell the case. I've been trying to avoid this, but I'm going to bite the bullet. What dies and conversion do I need to make this go as smoothly as possible? A lot of people seem to do well forming cases with Dillon's sizer and trim die, but make sure you properly expand the necks or you'll have problems. I form my cases the old fashioned way: I chop them to length, anneal them, size them, then trim them. I personally feel that annealing after shortening but before forming gives me more consistent necks. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:59:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Unkydon]
[#50]
Dillon RL550b 300 blk. setup:
Stage 1:Size, decap, prime. Stage 2: powder charge and slight case mouth expansion (7.62X39 / 300 whisper powder funnel Stock # 13015). Stage 3 : Bullet seat. Stage 4: Lee factory crimp. 
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