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New SureFire SOCOM 556-RC and 762-RC blog article, pics and vids
CheaperThanDirt  [Industry Partner]
We were pleased to meet the SureFire crew at the Silencers Are Legal Shoot, and they showed us their latest, the 556-RC and 762-RC. We were very impressed, and I just finished writing a blog article about these new cans.

Here is the blog article:

http://bit.ly/JQKyQD


A couple of pics from the article:






... and video!

[YOUTUBE] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bjFQmkECIo
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dmtsc  [Member]
Looks good and to think I just bought 5 Surefire cans(always something better out before your paperwork comes back)
Lovelessk999  [Team Member]

Originally Posted By dmtsc:
Looks good and to think I just bought 5 Surefire cans(always something better out before your paperwork comes back)

Seriously.

Good thing I've been waiting on ps90 sbr paperwork for over a year now. Gives me plenty of time to file others...
cms81586  [Team Member]
Looks good. How's it perform? Did anyone hear it at the shoot? I'm looking at picking up another 7.62 can and I may stray from AAC just to try a few different things.

CMS
johnny000000  [Team Member]
Very impressive indeed. Any stats on these guys? Release date?
m1ajunkie  [Member]
Very nice looking suppressors. A little bummed though because I have 2 of the now older style suppressors pending, but I can't wait to see how the new suppressors perform.
CheaperThanDirt  [Industry Partner]
I will defer to SureFire for specifics on decibel reduction, but I shot a 300 Blackout equipped with the 762-RC variant. Like most suppressed 300 BLK guns it was just silly. I resolved right there that I'm building a 300 BLK someday.
Green0  [Member]
Originally Posted By CheaperThanDirt:
I will defer to SureFire for specifics on decibel reduction, but I shot a 300 Blackout equipped with the 762-RC variant. Like most suppressed 300 BLK guns it was just silly. I resolved right there that I'm building a 300 BLK someday.


The problem is if we leave it to them how the hell are we supposed to believe a company that would never send a can to an independent testing authority despite enough money to wallpaper their office building with it?

It's a nice looking product. The only way to know what it sounds like it to buy one IMO.

Top_Secret  [Team Member]
Not super excited since all my adapters are for the old spec. Always nice to see improvements though. Would be nice if they were compatible with the old brakes but it sounds like that's not going to be happening.
carterbrunelle  [Member]
Originally Posted By Top_Secret:
Not super excited since all my adapters are for the old spec. Always nice to see improvements though. Would be nice if they were compatible with the old brakes but it sounds like that's not going to be happening.


Pretty ironic if you think about it. People were absolutely flipping out about AAC using new mounts and citing how surefire was a better company for keping the same mounting system just a few mounts ago.
Top_Secret  [Team Member]
Originally Posted By carterbrunelle:
Originally Posted By Top_Secret:
Not super excited since all my adapters are for the old spec. Always nice to see improvements though. Would be nice if they were compatible with the old brakes but it sounds like that's not going to be happening.


Pretty ironic if you think about it. People were absolutely flipping out about AAC using new mounts and citing how surefire was a better company for keping the same mounting system just a few mounts ago.


Actually, after watching it again, he just says new adapters. So I guess it's still out on whether it will work on the old adapters.
BCV  [Team Member]
I had the chance to shoot it on a LaRue PredatOBR, It preformed quite well. Sound wise i would give it a A-, where it takes the cake is its attachment system. Dare I say it, Game changa!

Edit: If I recall they will work with the old mounts, just not as solid... but please refer to surefire for the facts... Kudu22 is the Surefire Suppressor guy (guy talking in video).
yamatitan  [Life Member]
Specs please lenght, weight, etc...of both models. I was sold on the saker but that attavhment looks real nice too.
derekv814  [Team Member]
Most importantly.. What's it gonna cost?
Kudu22  [Member]
Hey GreenO…who did we not send current suppressor models to…let alone the SOCOM556-RC and SOCOM762-RC for “independent” testing? CRANE, Oak Ridge, USMC, ARMY or the vast other domestic and international government agencies? No we have done all of that. You are talking about a certain someone that had a testing site right? No we did not send cans to him. Since you do like to offer “your version” of information on my products to others when you do not have the correct information let me fill you in on the details so you now have the correct information. The reason we didn’t step in that situation is he wanted a sample of each model and then publicly came out saying after testing he was going to sell the cans (that he wanted for free from us) to the people that were members. And the kicker is…this was announced on the site before we were ever approached. So we were expected to send 10’s of thousands of dollars of product to a “independent” tester (for sound only) and close our eyes when the product was sold off and pocketed for a good chunk of change. Does that smell right… I will pass on that test data all day since I do know what went down and you didn’t but again you felt you had to chime in . I guess the testing (sound, flash, durability and accuracy) we have participated in has worked out for us after all.

Kudu22  [Member]
I am working on the product information sheets and ads right now. There will be the press release and such that will have the specs. I hate to steal marketing’s thunder all the time. They do work hard for us to tie in the marketing launch and product launch.
dmtsc  [Member]
Thanks for the info Kudo22, I look forward to the new products. Is Surefire still selling the older models at this time because just 15 days ago I ordered a FA762K and want to make sure I will get it or if you would like to upgrade me it wouldn't hurt my feelings and I will even test it on my rifle

ps I'm still waiting on my 762Mini we did the bartering deal on, should have it soon I hope.

Thanks David T in VA.
Kudu22  [Member]
We are still going to build the Gen 3 suppressors. We will not be keeping them in stock is the thing. We will have the SOCOM series in back stock as that is what the floor will be building 85% of the time. There will come a time the Gen 3 will be phased out of the line but we are not going to cut it off at the knees. Plus we have contracts on them so until those run out we have to build.
johnny000000  [Team Member]
Thank you for the information Garin. I'm sure we all sincerely appreciate all of your hard work as well as Surefires. Please keep the info flowing, it satisfies our cravings for us suppressor addicts....and helps pass the time for our Form 4s to be approved.

And I'll gladly volunteer to test any cans you have for free. I'll even return them to you postage paid. That'll get me by until my Form 4's are approved.
TCBA_Joe  [Team Member]
Originally Posted By Kudu22:
We are still going to build the Gen 3 suppressors. We will not be keeping them in stock is the thing. We will have the SOCOM series in back stock as that is what the floor will be building 85% of the time. There will come a time the Gen 3 will be phased out of the line but we are not going to cut it off at the knees. Plus we have contracts on them so until those run out we have to build.


Will they work on the older mounts? For example, if I bought a PredatOBR pinned with a current SF brake, would it work with the SOCOM cans?

Also, how do they compare size and sound wise with something like the 212 or the 7.62 Mini?
TCBA_Joe  [Team Member]
Originally Posted By Kudu22:
Hey GreenO…who did we not send current suppressor models to…let alone the SOCOM556-RC and SOCOM762-RC for “independent” testing? CRANE, Oak Ridge, USMC, ARMY or the vast other domestic and international government agencies? No we have done all of that. You are talking about a certain someone that had a testing site right? No we did not send cans to him. Since you do like to offer “your version” of information on my products to others when you do not have the correct information let me fill you in on the details so you now have the correct information. The reason we didn’t step in that situation is he wanted a sample of each model and then publicly came out saying after testing he was going to sell the cans (that he wanted for free from us) to the people that were members. And the kicker is…this was announced on the site before we were ever approached. So we were expected to send 10’s of thousands of dollars of product to a “independent” tester (for sound only) and close our eyes when the product was sold off and pocketed for a good chunk of change. Does that smell right… I will pass on that test data all day since I do know what went down and you didn’t but again you felt you had to chime in . I guess the testing (sound, flash, durability and accuracy) we have participated in has worked out for us after all.



I've tried to sympathize with his plight, but I honestly can't understand how he hasn't been banned for trolling and shilling.
Tim_AZ  [Team Member]
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By Kudu22:
We are still going to build the Gen 3 suppressors. We will not be keeping them in stock is the thing. We will have the SOCOM series in back stock as that is what the floor will be building 85% of the time. There will come a time the Gen 3 will be phased out of the line but we are not going to cut it off at the knees. Plus we have contracts on them so until those run out we have to build.


Will they work on the older mounts? For example, if I bought a PredatOBR pinned with a current SF brake, would it work with the SOCOM cans?

Also, how do they compare size and sound wise with something like the 212 or the 7.62 Mini?


I’d like to know this as well. I’ve had a 762K on order for nearly two months. I might just tell them to cancel it and wait for the new can if it is a significant improvement.
LiquidG  [Team Member]
Pics look nice, couldn't watch the video though at work. Whats the ETA on the SOCOM's being in dealers hands? Also, can you pin these new mounts to make a barrel 16"?
1928A1  [Member]
Originally Posted By Kudu22:
Hey GreenO…who did we not send current suppressor models to…let alone the SOCOM556-RC and SOCOM762-RC for “independent” testing? CRANE, Oak Ridge, USMC, ARMY or the vast other domestic and international government agencies? No we have done all of that. You are talking about a certain someone that had a testing site right? No we did not send cans to him. Since you do like to offer “your version” of information on my products to others when you do not have the correct information let me fill you in on the details so you now have the correct information. The reason we didn’t step in that situation is he wanted a sample of each model and then publicly came out saying after testing he was going to sell the cans (that he wanted for free from us) to the people that were members. And the kicker is…this was announced on the site before we were ever approached. So we were expected to send 10’s of thousands of dollars of product to a “independent” tester (for sound only) and close our eyes when the product was sold off and pocketed for a good chunk of change. Does that smell right… I will pass on that test data all day since I do know what went down and you didn’t but again you felt you had to chime in . I guess the testing (sound, flash, durability and accuracy) we have participated in has worked out for us after all.



Now YOU are misinforming people about what happened. When I was still doing independent testing, many people asked for information about the Surefire silencers so found a source for some of the original models and some of the ones that were released right after those first ones came out. Then Surefire changed the bore size (opened up the aperture). If I had tested those first two sets, and Surefire opened up the bore size making the cans louder, but more forgiving the readership would have been making purchasing decisions based on cans that were no longer being made. Then after the new cans came out I contacted Barry about testing the new cans. The reply was Surefire wasn't interested in independent testing and if they changed their minds they would let me know. Then in 2010 called AND emailed the Surefire suppressor division offering to buy the silencers to test and then I would resell them to recoup my investment. Surefire once again was not interested. To say the least Surefire does NOT WANT anyone to test their suppressor line for public release. Also one of the Surefire reps at Shot Show in 2009 accused me of working for AAC which is an absolute joke. I no longer test silencers, but I wanted to set the record straight about what really happened. Surefire suppressors have never been evaluated and tested for the general public by any independent source. That coupled with the mistruths that the Surefire suppressor went 1,500 rounds continuous full auto on an M4 with no “appreciable wear,” the no POI shift claims and the astronomical price it’s a wonder any civilian would consider a Surefire silencer.
BCV  [Team Member]
<edited, please keep these types of pictures for GD and not the Tech Forums.......dpmmn>


I will buy "over priced" Surefire products because I know if something goes wrong (and that's a big if) I get to deal with people like Mr. Lee. That makes it worth the extra price to me. When the tail cap on my light broke, they Surefire didn't just send me another tailcap, the sent me a whole new light! For that kind of customer service, I will always buy Surefire if that is an option.
Friendly_Crusader  [Team Member]
These new ones look like winners

I can't fathom Surefire refusing to sell products to a legitimate dealer at dealer cost based on whatever order size scale they use, but sending out (premumably discounted) suppressors to independent testers to test and then sell for a profit isn't something I expect from surefire. A wholesaler or dealer could do the testing and we'd just take it with a grain of salt like always.

Testers and gunrag writers make a friggin killing turning around products they tested because they get them at dealer costs or below that even. Now if the paperwork process wasn't so extreme, I'm sure Surefire would send out test units as long as they were returned to surefire.
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