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Posted: 9/9/2013 8:41:05 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts:
I'll prob. get both, but if I was going to spend money now its on the SIG. Its a bit different and will be cheaper to shoot. Plus the Beretta will eventually be closer to $1700 and there a few things about it I am sure the aftermarket will fix, so I'll just let that happen first. How will it be cheaper to shoot? Acqusition cost is one thing, but they both shoot exactly the same ammo. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 10:54:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: cyclone]
[#2]
The SIG MPX is a 9mm carbine
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
How will it be cheaper to shoot? Acqusition cost is one thing, but they both shoot exactly the same ammo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By BobRoberts:
I'll prob. get both, but if I was going to spend money now its on the SIG. Its a bit different and will be cheaper to shoot. Plus the Beretta will eventually be closer to $1700 and there a few things about it I am sure the aftermarket will fix, so I'll just let that happen first. How will it be cheaper to shoot? Acqusition cost is one thing, but they both shoot exactly the same ammo. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2013 2:47:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2013 3:43:35 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone:
The SIG MPX is a 9mm carbine Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone:
The SIG MPX is a 9mm carbine Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By BobRoberts:
I'll prob. get both, but if I was going to spend money now its on the SIG. Its a bit different and will be cheaper to shoot. Plus the Beretta will eventually be closer to $1700 and there a few things about it I am sure the aftermarket will fix, so I'll just let that happen first. How will it be cheaper to shoot? Acqusition cost is one thing, but they both shoot exactly the same ammo. DOH! Thought you were talking about one of the Sig 5.56 rifles. 
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Posted: 9/9/2013 4:16:29 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Would like to know why they shortened the -100 HG compared to the -160. It needs a longer handguard, not shorter. And go back to the original 45 degree safety. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2013 4:05:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Posted: 9/12/2013 4:22:00 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762:
It needs a longer handguard, not shorter. And go back to the original 45 degree safety. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Would like to know why they shortened the -100 HG compared to the -160. It needs a longer handguard, not shorter. And go back to the original 45 degree safety. Shorter integral handguard makes it possible to use a shorter minimum barrel length, and is lighter to boot. Based on recent photos I have seen that is reason for alteration of the design. It is relatively easy to design a short handguard that can take an extension as long as you plan for it from the outset. |
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Posted: 9/12/2013 5:53:06 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryThe changes I can see on the A3 are: Bigger cooling holes along the top side of the rail Bayonet lug is now on the bottom instead of on the gas block 0-90-180 S-1-A safety is now standard on FA rifles too Metal back-up sights instead of plastic The stock LOP unlock button is recurved for a deeper finger hold Anyone else spot anything? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2013 6:12:51 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
The changes I can see on the A3 are: Bigger cooling holes along the top side of the rail Bayonet lug is now on the bottom instead of on the gas block 0-90-180 S-1-A safety is now standard on FA rifles too Metal back-up sights instead of plastic The stock LOP unlock button is recurved for a deeper finger hold Anyone else spot anything? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
The changes I can see on the A3 are: Bigger cooling holes along the top side of the rail Bayonet lug is now on the bottom instead of on the gas block 0-90-180 S-1-A safety is now standard on FA rifles too Metal back-up sights instead of plastic The stock LOP unlock button is recurved for a deeper finger hold Anyone else spot anything? Basically the A3 variant looks like it has all the same features of the ARX-100 plus the bigger cooling holes. The A3 even has the shorter handguards like on the ARX-100. |
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Posted: 9/21/2013 12:54:54 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Basically the A3 variant looks like it has all the same features of the ARX-100 plus the bigger cooling holes. The A3 even has the shorter handguards like on the ARX-100. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By Bullet_:
The changes I can see on the A3 are: Bigger cooling holes along the top side of the rail Bayonet lug is now on the bottom instead of on the gas block 0-90-180 S-1-A safety is now standard on FA rifles too Metal back-up sights instead of plastic The stock LOP unlock button is recurved for a deeper finger hold Anyone else spot anything? Basically the A3 variant looks like it has all the same features of the ARX-100 plus the bigger cooling holes. The A3 even has the shorter handguards like on the ARX-100. Just noticed that the stock hinge area has been beefed up and the mag well has been shortened as well. There is now a " step " at the point where the sides of the mag well meet the trigger guard. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2013 3:11:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
Just noticed that the stock hinge area has been beefed up and the mag well has been shortened as well. There is now a " step " at the point where the sides of the mag well meet the trigger guard. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By Bullet_:
The changes I can see on the A3 are: Bigger cooling holes along the top side of the rail Bayonet lug is now on the bottom instead of on the gas block 0-90-180 S-1-A safety is now standard on FA rifles too Metal back-up sights instead of plastic The stock LOP unlock button is recurved for a deeper finger hold Anyone else spot anything? Basically the A3 variant looks like it has all the same features of the ARX-100 plus the bigger cooling holes. The A3 even has the shorter handguards like on the ARX-100. Just noticed that the stock hinge area has been beefed up and the mag well has been shortened as well. There is now a " step " at the point where the sides of the mag well meet the trigger guard. Interesting I didn't notice any of that, I'm going to have to take a closer look. Edit: Just finished comparing pics of the A3 version to pics of the 160/100 and I could not see any differences in those areas. |
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Posted: 9/21/2013 6:22:50 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Edit: Just finished comparing pics of the A3 version to pics of the 160/100 and I could not see any differences in those areas. You're right. Seems to be just darker lighting making them look more pronounced. |
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Posted: 9/21/2013 6:50:10 PM EDT
[#13]
I want one of these bad, love the axr-160 .22
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Posted: 9/21/2013 6:58:09 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
You're right. Seems to be just darker lighting making them look more pronounced. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Edit: Just finished comparing pics of the A3 version to pics of the 160/100 and I could not see any differences in those areas. You're right. Seems to be just darker lighting making them look more pronounced. I believe the ARX-100 already includes a bunch of upgrades that they added to the ARX-160A3 (over the original ARX-160) |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:09:32 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
I believe the ARX-100 already includes a bunch of upgrades that they added to the ARX-160A3 (over the original ARX-160) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By Bullet_:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Edit: Just finished comparing pics of the A3 version to pics of the 160/100 and I could not see any differences in those areas. You're right. Seems to be just darker lighting making them look more pronounced. I believe the ARX-100 already includes a bunch of upgrades that they added to the ARX-160A3 (over the original ARX-160) Seems the -100 didn't inherit the larger vent slots in the A3 upper. Might not be as much of an issue for a semi, but I'd still prefer the upgrade all the same. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2013 1:38:59 PM EDT
[#16]
I'm waiting ever so patiently, please release it next month Beretta! Also, does anyone else think the sites should be made of iron instead of a polymer?
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2013 2:36:11 PM EDT
[#17]
Last thing I read was q4 this year
So oct nov dec |
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Posted: 9/26/2013 11:17:42 PM EDT
[#18]
Talked to Beretta Defense reps, said it would be coming 'soon'.
Handled the short-barreled A2 versions, I love the ergonomics. |
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Posted: 9/28/2013 7:38:04 AM EDT
[#19]
I have to say the idea of a push button ejection switch piques my interest.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/21/2013 4:27:10 PM EDT
[#20]
http://ow.ly/i/3u5vv Is this the rail for the ARX 160 that they are talking about?
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Posted: 10/21/2013 4:32:33 PM EDT
[#21]
This has become a total goat rope. Underpromise and overdeliver, Beretta.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 4:40:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bullet_]
[#22]
I'd don't think we're there yet.
It seems that Beretta is silently waiting for something. My guess is that they are getting delayed by their betters ( ATF ) . |
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USA
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Posted: 10/21/2013 5:56:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Beretta told us these were "in the warehouse" and ready to ship three months ago. Now my dealer says Beretta told him they haven't gotten them "in stock" yet, whatever that means. Would love to see my backorder come true before Thanksgiving...
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Posted: 10/21/2013 10:42:32 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
I have to say the idea of a push button ejection switch piques my interest. I've tried it - it takes a few seconds to do, but with practice you could probably get it done during transitions. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:48:02 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
I've tried it - it takes a few seconds to do, but with practice you could probably get it done during transitions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
I have to say the idea of a push button ejection switch piques my interest. I've tried it - it takes a few seconds to do, but with practice you could probably get it done during transitions. Good, is its balance point at the magwell? |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 4:00:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
I've tried it - it takes a few seconds to do, but with practice you could probably get it done during transitions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
I have to say the idea of a push button ejection switch piques my interest. I've tried it - it takes a few seconds to do, but with practice you could probably get it done during transitions. I thought switching case direction required a bullet tip. Did that evolve into a "recessed button" or something similar? |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 5:11:18 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Good, is its balance point at the magwell? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
I have to say the idea of a push button ejection switch piques my interest. I've tried it - it takes a few seconds to do, but with practice you could probably get it done during transitions. Good, is its balance point at the magwell? I have no idea because I don't pay attention to things like that. All I know is that it felt nothing short of perfect in my hands (for me). That was the A2 military version, though. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 5:13:01 AM EDT
[#28]
Honestly, now I'm blanking on exactly how it worked, all I remember is that it was really quick and easy. Handled it while BDT was on-base about a month ago with all their toys (along with a LOT of other manufacturers.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/14/2013 11:52:45 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
Nice! Still want... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
Nice! Still want... I received an extended response from Beretta Customer Support, today. The bottom line, "Regarding the ARX-100, although it is still being validated, at the present, we anticipate that shipments will commence by the end of 2013." |
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Posted: 11/14/2013 12:14:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SKY-PUP: I received an extended response from Beretta Customer Support, today. The bottom line, "Regarding the ARX-100, although it is still being validated, at the present, we anticipate that shipments will commence by the end of 2013." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SKY-PUP: I received an extended response from Beretta Customer Support, today. The bottom line, "Regarding the ARX-100, although it is still being validated, at the present, we anticipate that shipments will commence by the end of 2013." So, within the next 30 working days? I love Beretta, really I do, but color me skeptical... |
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USA
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Posted: 11/15/2013 9:40:22 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SKY-PUP:
I received an extended response from Beretta Customer Support, today. The bottom line, "Regarding the ARX-100, although it is still being validated, at the present, we anticipate that shipments will commence by the end of 2013." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SKY-PUP:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Nice! Still want... I received an extended response from Beretta Customer Support, today. The bottom line, "Regarding the ARX-100, although it is still being validated, at the present, we anticipate that shipments will commence by the end of 2013." I anticipate on believing it when I see it in my local fun store. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2013 11:55:52 PM EDT
[#32]
Short barrels for close quarters combat Long barrels for open terrain Heavy barrels for increased accuracy at long distances And a barrel with an integrated suppressor oh lawdy! How many barrels am I gonna have to carry on patrol!? That's like an entire assault bag full of barrels! |
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Posted: 11/19/2013 8:34:11 AM EDT
[#33]
The good news is that when you're being shot at it only takes moments to switch to the correct barrel for the situation... but don't forget to rezero your optics for your new POA
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/7/2013 11:23:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#34]
Shooting Illustrated is out with an article on the ARX-100.
I haven't seen it yet. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:22:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AndyHk93M4]
[#35]
still waiting to acquire
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USA
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Posted: 12/11/2013 4:12:00 PM EDT
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<Crickets>
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Posted: 12/14/2013 3:39:14 AM EDT
[#37]
Latest rumor on the Beretta Forum is that the new release date will be announced at the Shot Show.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2013 10:56:52 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
Latest rumor on the Beretta Forum is that the new release date will be announced at the Shot Show. I'm guessing their announcement on the release date will again be 60 to 90 days. 
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Posted: 12/14/2013 1:27:58 PM EDT
[#39]
I'm guessing they went back and reengineered some stuff to incorporate A3 improvements, full compatibility with Gen M3 mags, and maybe some other improvements.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2013 2:43:35 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
I'm guessing they went back and reengineered some stuff to incorporate A3 improvements, full compatibility with Gen M3 mags, and maybe some other improvements. I hope you're right about that, but we probably shouldn't get our hopes up. |
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Posted: 12/14/2013 5:59:43 PM EDT
[#41]
I just want mine in time to file a Form 1 before the new trust regulations are finalized.
 Beretta, you are killing us.
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Posted: 12/14/2013 7:48:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: vellnueve]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I hope you're right about that, but we probably shouldn't get our hopes up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
I'm guessing they went back and reengineered some stuff to incorporate A3 improvements, full compatibility with Gen M3 mags, and maybe some other improvements. I hope you're right about that, but we probably shouldn't get our hopes up. It makes sense... it was one major issue in the G&A review that definitely got noticed. Unlike other rifles that took a long time to get to market, Beretta has a track record of getting new models onto the street fast and a huge dealer network. If we didn't see them this year there was a good reason. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 12:25:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#43]
I got the chance to handle the .22 version today, & generally liked the way it felt. Definitely, lightweight. A cheek riser would be a nice option, although if that isn't featured on the release, I have an idea for an aftermarket cheek riser attachment that I'm going to take to a local machine shop if the stock, which would fit onto the existing stock design w/o modification. It was stated in one of the very first preview articles that QD sling mounts would be an option, although I've yet to see proof of that. Would be nice if the mag well was beveled, though I'm not sure how big of an issue that is. ?the grip actually was okay, although obviously a removable one would be preferable for options.
Personally, the fixed/non-adjustable gas regulator is perhaps the biggest drawback because it limits suppressor compatibility. Beretta has marketed their "Tricompensator" )a QD bbl. with permanently affixed suppressor attached) for the military sector, leveraging the QD bbl. feature in lieu of a QD can on the stock bbl. However, the OAL < 16", a legal one would have to be modified version of the existing unit, necessitating extra development costs, & I don't see Beretta investing in that venture. Unless they really see value in making a specially designed 16" "Tricompensator" for commercial sales, an adjustable gas regulator would be an easier option. Who knows? Maybe everything mentioned here will be addressed for the release. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 2:50:26 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I'm guessing their announcement on the release date will again be 60 to 90 days. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By Bullet_:
Latest rumor on the Beretta Forum is that the new release date will be announced at the Shot Show. I'm guessing their announcement on the release date will again be 60 to 90 days. Better than saying " two weeks "  
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Posted: 12/15/2013 9:25:12 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote History[b Posted By Bullet_:[/b]
Latest rumor on the Beretta Forum is that the new release date will be announced at the Shot Show. Wondering if Beretta means Shot Show this year or next year? 
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Posted: 12/15/2013 11:02:03 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scottmon:
Wondering if Beretta means Shot Show this year or next year? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scottmon:
[b Posted By Bullet_:[/b]
Latest rumor on the Beretta Forum is that the new release date will be announced at the Shot Show. Wondering if Beretta means Shot Show this year or next year? I think you mean Shot 2014 or Shot 2015. 
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Posted: 12/16/2013 3:54:37 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I think you mean Shot 2014 or Shot 2015. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By scottmon:
[b Posted By Bullet_:[/b]
Latest rumor on the Beretta Forum is that the new release date will be announced at the Shot Show. Wondering if Beretta means Shot Show this year or next year? I think you mean Shot 2014 or Shot 2015. 2016?...can I get a 2016 from somebody? Going once for 2014,.......... |
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Posted: 12/16/2013 10:20:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eodcolret]
[#48]
BREAKING NEWS-----Beretta had just announced that they will release the ARX-100 release plan at the 2014 SHOT Show. Beretta Reps who requested to remain anonymous stated that the plan will announce Beretta will release the ARX to the civilian market at the SHOT 2020 show (that is unless plans change between now and the 2014 Show).
 Stand by for no further updates quoted the Beretta Spokesperson. However they were willing to say that Beretta will announce their new trademark which will be "We are Beretta and we hate you unless you are a $20,000 shotgun buyer." HK has now announced a law suit against Beretta for trademark infringement.
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Posted: 12/16/2013 10:49:15 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eodcolret:
BREAKING NEWS-----Beretta had just announced that they will release the ARX-100 release plan at the 2014 SHOT Show. Beretta Reps who requested to remain anonymous stated that the plan will announce Beretta will release the ARX to the civilian market at the SHOT 2020 show (that is unless plans change between now and the 2014 Show). Stand by for no further updates quoted the Beretta Spokesperson. However they were willing to say that Beretta will announce their new trademark which will be "We are Beretta and we hate you unless you are a $20,000 shotgun buyer." HK has now announced a law suit against Beretta for trademark infringement. That looks like a prediction of the future to me. 
I almost thought you were serious. |
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Posted: 12/16/2013 12:15:01 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eodcolret:
BREAKING NEWS-----Beretta had just announced that they will release the ARX-100 release plan at the 2014 SHOT Show. Beretta Reps who requested to remain anonymous stated that the plan will announce Beretta will release the ARX to the civilian market at the SHOT 2020 show (that is unless plans change between now and the 2014 Show). Stand by for no further updates quoted the Beretta Spokesperson. However they were willing to say that Beretta will announce their new trademark which will be "We are Beretta and we hate you unless you are a $20,000 shotgun buyer." HK has now announced a law suit against Beretta for trademark infringement. That's a little unfair to Beretta considering how they've been releasing lots of new pistol models over the past few years, not to mention some great field shotguns and even a 3-gun shotgun. |
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