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Link Posted: 3/17/2019 10:53:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: vellnueve] [#1]
You can’t anymore, because they stopped making them. The point is that the one barrel set that they’ve sold at retail was at a much lower price point than what you’re making it out to be. The spare Brownells barrel is more expensive because it’s a replacement part in short supply and not actually intended for retail sale. The MSRP for the 10.5 kit with case and 2 mags was like$450 and street was lower.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 2:41:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:
You can’t anymore, because they stopped making them. The point is that the one barrel set that they’ve sold at retail was at a much lower price point than what you’re making it out to be. The spare Brownells barrel is more expensive because it’s a replacement part in short supply and not actually intended for retail sale. The MSRP for the 10.5 kit with case and 2 mags was like$450 and street was lower.
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Unfortunately, the I think ship has sailed on those deals, at least until Gelatin gets its act together anyway.  I bought mine through Botach, which sent them out within 3 weeks of ordering.  But that was when production was full up in Accokeek.

It's going to take some time to get the new TN plant going.  Hopefully, when it does, ARX parts & kits will be a priority.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 6:29:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:The MSRP for the 10.5 kit with case and 2 mags was like$450 and street was lower.
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Good point, thanks. I still don’t believe adding the bolt and complete lower to the aforementioned $450 barrel will sell for $400, but that just me.

Link Posted: 3/18/2019 8:09:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CJofFL:

Good point, thanks. I still don’t believe adding the bolt and complete lower to the aforementioned $450 barrel will sell for $400, but that just me.

https://www.berettadefensetechnologies.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_large_horizontal_zoom/public/content/products/accessories-assault-rifles-arx-conversion-kit.png?itok=YTGcHz3i
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Hence the actual content of my previous post where I mentioned that the three components would likely run more like $700ish.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 10:15:18 AM EDT
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Received my shipping notice for the Nexus charging handle.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 12:28:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
The only legal hurdle for a US market is a semi only trigger configuration, which is essentially already done in the form of our 5.56, the trigger design being possibly transferable to an AK compatible lower, which, again is already designed & built.  But regardless, they are't doing anything, so it's moot.
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I"m assuming the lower itself is different in SA ARX100 vs FA ARX160 so that you can't slap a machinegun lower on the semiauto gun. It's possible they make the ARX100 lower in 7.62X39 for elsewhere as well as the ARX160 lower, but again the lower wouldn't just be the lower, it'd be the Complete Lower with trigger and stuff.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 2:23:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:Hence the actual content of my previous post where I mentioned that the three components would likely run more like $700ish.
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Agreed, I think Master Blaster is optimistic.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 3:19:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CJofFL:

Agreed, I think Master Blaster is optimistic.
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I mean, we're all optimistic even thinking we'll ever get anything for the ARX100 again, let alone debating the price. :)
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 3:39:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thehun06:
Yeah I would like to know where you can get 10.5" factory barrels for $350..
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There are several places, but unfortunately all require a time machine at this point.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 3:40:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NightOwl:

I mean, we're all optimistic even thinking we'll ever get anything for the ARX100 again, let alone debating the price. :)
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We can dream can't we?







Link Posted: 3/18/2019 4:38:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CJofFL:
Agreed, I think Master Blaster is optimistic.
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Originally Posted By CJofFL:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:Hence the actual content of my previous post where I mentioned that the three components would likely run more like $700ish.
Agreed, I think Master Blaster is optimistic.
I was referring to street, not MAP pricing.  I also poster later that $500 was probably closer to the (fictional) truth.

Originally Posted By NightOwl:

I"m assuming the lower itself is different in SA ARX100 vs FA ARX160 so that you can't slap a machinegun lower on the semiauto gun. It's possible they make the ARX100 lower in 7.62X39 for elsewhere as well as the ARX160 lower, but again the lower wouldn't just be the lower, it'd be the Complete Lower with trigger and stuff.
It would have to be adapted for the semi trigger pack, but it wouldn't be a scratch design; a lot of it is already there.  It's doable, but they won't fo.  Ya know?
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 5:28:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
It would have to be adapted for the semi trigger pack, but it would be a scratch design; a lot of it is already there.  It's doable, but they won't fo.  Ya know?
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Yeah, the ARX100 is a shame really. I got mine when they dropped to $899, and by then I didn't see any short barrels. A replacement regular barrel via Brownells is $999 now for some reason now...

I think the technology as it were is easily completed for the lower. There would be no need to design the components, just apply the already completed changes and make a mold and spit them out... but that takes $ and they may not see the point.

As for the cost, it just seems if you made a pile of things that are interchangeable (frame/ stock) next to a pile of not (bolt, barrel, lower), most of the cost is in that second pile.

As I've said though, a $899 ARX100 in 7.62X39 vs the AK's that are out there for $650+? No contest. The CMMG Mutant or other non-PSA AR's that take AK mags are also pricey. There's a lot more competition in the 223 market that's cheaper than there is in the 7.62X39 market. On the other forum a poster said 7.62X39 is a "dead round", but I dunno where that's from.
Link Posted: 3/19/2019 2:44:37 AM EDT
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Would love to have a conversion kit in 7.62X39.
Link Posted: 3/19/2019 3:25:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By NightOwl:

Yeah, the ARX100 is a shame really. I got mine when they dropped to $899, and by then I didn't see any short barrels. A replacement regular barrel via Brownells is $999 now for some reason now...

I think the technology as it were is easily completed for the lower. There would be no need to design the components, just apply the already completed changes and make a mold and spit them out... but that takes $ and they may not see the point.

As for the cost, it just seems if you made a pile of things that are interchangeable (frame/ stock) next to a pile of not (bolt, barrel, lower), most of the cost is in that second pile.

As I've said though, a $899 ARX100 in 7.62X39 vs the AK's that are out there for $650+? No contest. The CMMG Mutant or other non-PSA AR's that take AK mags are also pricey. There's a lot more competition in the 223 market that's cheaper than there is in the 7.62X39 market. On the other forum a poster said 7.62X39 is a "dead round", but I dunno where that's from.
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If it's dead, why did 2 (at least) militaries buy it in 7.62x39?  Also, French GIGN recently ordered the Bren 2 in 7.62x39.  If it's dead, it's still walking.

I definitely agree that the leveraging AK caliber market would boost its appeal & marketability.
Link Posted: 3/19/2019 12:56:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:

If it's dead, why did 2 (at least) militaries buy it in 7.62x39?  Also, French GIGN recently ordered the Bren 2 in 7.62x39.  If it's dead, it's still walking.

I definitely agree that the leveraging AK caliber market would boost its appeal & marketability.
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Yeah, I didn't bother going too far with it, since we're talking opinions anyway and the round will never "go away" so it doesn't matter.

For myself, I think it'd be great, but if it doesn't have a BHO it'd have to be cheap for me to get a conversion.
Link Posted: 3/19/2019 5:03:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NightOwl:

Yeah, I didn't bother going too far with it, since we're talking opinions anyway and the round will never "go away" so it doesn't matter.

For myself, I think it'd be great, but if it doesn't have a BHO it'd have to be cheap for me to get a conversion.
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AK mags aren't designed to trip a BHO, so that isn't an option unless you want proprietary mags.  It's certainly better, but I'm perfectly fine with it using AK mags.
Link Posted: 3/19/2019 8:00:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:

AK mags m aren't designed to trip a BHO, so that isn't an option unless you want proprietary mags.  It's certainly better, but I'm perfectly fine with it using AK mags.
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Yeah, I know, it's one of the reasons I didn't get a PTR32. I haven't messed with the mags that hold the bolt open with the follower in a long time, so not sure if something could be developed around those mags. (And then normal mags wouldn't hold open bolt, but would work.) I doubt it since it's the follower sticking up rather than a nodule sticking out, but oh well.

Maybe I'll get lucky and vz58 mags will become a new standard!
(Kidding of course, not even CZ used them in the Bren.)
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 3:26:30 AM EDT
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Waited for the 7.62x39 conversion for the ARX for so long, I jumped at getting one of these...



Most modern non-AK 7.62x39 firearm.  I would still love to have an 7.62x39 ARX to join this distant cousin...
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 5:16:52 PM EDT
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I never really expected or waited for the ARX100 conversion, I didn't even hold out hope for a 300blk barrel really.

I did buy a vz58 (had one years ago and liked it, but sold to move to other projects, now can afford more "keeper guns") and am SBRing it. As mentioned I thought of the PTR32, though did settle for a PTR/CAI C93 and a PTR9CT.

The Bren is a nice enough gun, but price point is a bit too much for my desire and I don't think it's pure gold like the hardcore fans in the other thread.

I've never liked AK's, though I've had a few and technically my PAK9 is an AK(ish).

To bring it back to ARX100, I didn't even look at them for the longest time due to the height of the gun, the shape never bothered me and the stock doesn't hurt my feelings. It's only really when I bought one that I came to realize how many great features it has. It doesn't matter to most people maybe, but I love that bottom button that is BHO/ mag release!
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 9:51:26 AM EDT
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Yep...the bottom mag release is awesome...I do not use it as a BHO though...some have said they are stiff...and they were early on...I know my first two ARXs were tight in the controls department but they were initial release models within a year apart...my 2018 build's tolerances are slightly looser...no stiff controls...and of course the "2-stage" trigger is present as well.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 4:30:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thehun06:
Yep...the bottom mag release is awesome...I do not use it as a BHO though...some have said they are stiff...and they were early on...I know my first two ARXs were tight in the controls department but they were initial release models within a year apart...my 2018 build's tolerances are slightly looser...no stiff controls...and of course the "2-stage" trigger is present as well.
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I have an APX as well, and it was the same way as the ARX. Just need to move the parts over and over and over and they smooth out easily.
Link Posted: 3/22/2019 12:10:01 AM EDT
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I just got my Nexus Tactical charging handle today, but I can't figure out how to remove the old charging handle.

Anyone know how to change the charging handle?
Link Posted: 3/22/2019 11:46:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By glklvr:
Received my shipping notice for the Nexus charging handle.
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I received my notification 5 days ago but when trying to track it the number is not in the system.  I emailed them yesterday but received no reply yet.

Were you able to track your shipment?
Link Posted: 3/22/2019 12:35:23 PM EDT
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I received my notification 5 days ago but when trying to track it the number is not in the system.  I emailed them yesterday but received no reply yet.

Were you able to track your shipment?
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Originally Posted By glklvr:
Received my shipping notice for the Nexus charging handle.
I received my notification 5 days ago but when trying to track it the number is not in the system.  I emailed them yesterday but received no reply yet.

Were you able to track your shipment?
Yes, but it was USPS tracking so it's spotty. It was supposed to be delivered yesterday but never showed. Tracking still shows "Thursday out for delivery". It's the post office, so who knows where it is. Hopefully it will show up today.
Link Posted: 3/22/2019 3:00:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jcraw:
I just got my Nexus Tactical charging handle today, but I can't figure out how to remove the old charging handle.

Anyone know how to change the charging handle?
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Here is a video from Nexus Tactical. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLB6drWosE
Link Posted: 3/22/2019 3:43:38 PM EDT
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They posted a youtube video showing removal of original handle and install of new one.

Query youtube for ARX100 Charging Handle Install.
Link Posted: 3/22/2019 4:08:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 556Cliff:

Here is a video from Nexus Tactical. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLB6drWosE
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Doesn't seem that bad.
Link Posted: 3/22/2019 7:29:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: QB] [#28]
I was emailing back and forth with the owner and he said they are not going to make any more of the 3D charging handles because they are going into mass production soon and won't be producing custom 3D projects that require hand finishing.

I ordered 2 of them a month or so ago and tracking does now show they should be delivered early next week.

Update:  received and will install tomorrow.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 6:17:19 AM EDT
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Wow! I was looking at an ARX100 last year at Academy for under $800. Now they're $1800+ everywhere. I'd not have expected that.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 7:40:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jcraw:
I just got my Nexus Tactical charging handle today, but I can't figure out how to remove the old charging handle.

Anyone know how to change the charging handle?
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Where did you get this charging handle? I did a google for the site and the site itself wasn’t listing any products available. Will it still switch from left to right like the original? How much are they?
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 8:33:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster] [#31]
ARX-100 A3 mod completed.

14.5" barrel


BUIS up


SBR
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 8:36:50 AM EDT
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So...are you offering your vent machining services?
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 8:43:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By thehun06:
So...are you offering your vent machining services?
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I'm friends with a local area engineer who owns an established machine shop, which is how I arranged to do this.  He's open to offering the service, though there could be some legal issues regarding shipping the serialized upper WRT out of state owners.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 8:53:15 AM EDT
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I like that.   Looks great with the 14.5” barrel.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 9:06:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:

I'm friends with a local area engineer who owns an established machine shop,which is how I arranged to do this.  He's open to offering the service, though there could be some legal issues regarding shipping the serialized upper WRT out of state owners.
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Yes there is. If your receiving and shipping firearms for repair or custom work, you have to have an FFL.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 9:08:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Firecop203:

Where did you get this charging handle? I did a google for the site and the site itself wasn’t listing any products available. Will it still switch from left to right like the original? How much are they?
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Looks like they pulled all of their products' pages (someone above stated they are tooling up for mass production) but their homepage has a pic of the charging handle.
https://www.nexustacticalllc.com/
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 9:10:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dissident:
I like that.   Looks great with the 14.5” barrel.
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Without a doubt.  Should tighten accuracy a tad as well.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 10:36:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
ARX-100 A3 variant, 14.5" barrel:

http://i64.tinypic.com/m78414.jpg

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http://i68.tinypic.com/aa9im9.jpg

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Looks Great! The only other thing different about the A3 model's upper receiver is some slight contour changes around the front of the ejection ports on both sides.

Did everything go as planned? Or did you end up having to do some disassembly?

This is what Beretta should do if they ever start up production of the ARX-100 again.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 11:28:59 AM EDT
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Those A3 cuts came out great!

Now go find a GLX-160 and complete the look.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 1:24:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Firecop203:

Where did you get this charging handle? I did a google for the site and the site itself wasn’t listing any products available. Will it still switch from left to right like the original? How much are they?
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Yes it switches from left to right just like the original.  I paid $90 shipped for 2 of them.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 4:07:33 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/24/2019 6:43:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
ARX-100 A3 variant, 14.5" barrel:

http://i64.tinypic.com/m78414.jpg

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I like it! I just joined the ARX brotherhood today...............what buis are those? I am thinking about having the barrel cut to 14.5 and have an fh pinned on permanently.............I'd like to find one of the bayonet lugs that fit to the barrel as well
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 7:43:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cyclone:

I like it! I just joined the ARX brotherhood today...............what buis are those? I am thinking about having the barrel cut to 14.5 and have an fh pinned on permanently.............I'd like to find one of the bayonet lugs that fit to the barrel as well
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LPA MAS sights - same ones used by Italian military.  They are my favorite irons, bar none.

This rifle is, obviously, NFA, so no need to pin the FH.  I'm inevitably getting a dedicated can for this rifle, just not 100% sure which one ATM, & the FH will get swapped for whatever QD FH goes with it.  Might also get the Nexus buttpad mod.
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 7:55:58 PM EDT
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Well I went to install mine just now and it went perfectly until time to slide in the new handle....neither one will fit.  It seems too thick.  I forced one in but it wouldn't slide to lock/unlock.

I emailed Tom for a refund or to see if they can modify them to fit and test them on an ARX100 and then send back to me.  I really do love these new handles and since they aren't making any more I'd like them to modify to fit.

Update:  Tom replied right away and is going to make sure these fit......great customer service.  I'm also going to try the install on one of my otjer ARXs so I can make sure its not this particular rifle (just did this and it didn't fit so its not the rifle).
Link Posted: 3/24/2019 9:19:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By QB:

Well I went to install mine just now and it went perfectly until time to slide in the new handle....neither one will fit.  It seems too thick.  I forced one in but it wouldn't slide to lock/unlock.

I emailed Tom for a refund or to see if they can modify them to fit and test them on an ARX100 and then send back to me.  I really do love these new handles and since they aren't making any more I'd like them to modify to fit.

Update:  Tom rrplied right away and is going to make sure these fit......great customer service.  I'm also going to try the install on one of my otjer ARXs so I can make sure its not this particular rifle.
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Mine was definitely at the upper end of tolerances and it took some jimmying and fiddling to get it installed.
Link Posted: 3/25/2019 4:32:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SoloDallas:
So, I do have news from Italy regarding the ARX100. News come from one of Italy's oldest gun stores in Rome, managed by generations of the same family - same as with Beretta. Shop name is 'Frinchillucci' in Rome. I used to be close friends with all of them when resided in Rome.

The owner just wrote me back affirming that Beretta has decided to not pull the ARX100 off the market; but has taken a difference stance making it relatively less available by making specific batches of them during each year; essentially they are not out of production but they will be available 'on order only'.

A new batch will be completed by the end of 2019 (long wait, it would seem).

This is all I got.
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To go along with that, I received this from Beretta today:

Hello Cyclone:

Thank you for contacting Beretta Customer Support.

Sir, the ARX rifle is not discontinued.  If a firearm is discontinued, our policy is to support all firearms for at least 10 years past the discontinuation date.

Thank you for choosing Beretta.

Best regards,

Beretta Customer Support
Link Posted: 3/25/2019 6:23:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 556Cliff:

Looks Great! The only other thing different about the A3 model's upper receiver is some slight contour changes around the front of the ejection ports on both sides.

Did everything go as planned? Or did you end up having to do some disassembly?

This is what Beretta should do if they ever start up production of the ARX-100 again.
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Everything went as planned.  Just had to strip it down to the bare upper, then take our time.  Precision press + slide axis vice is the ticket.
Link Posted: 3/25/2019 7:21:55 PM EDT
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Everything went as planned.  Just had to strip it down to the bare upper, then take our time.  Precision press + slide axis vice is the ticket.
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Originally Posted By 556Cliff:

Looks Great! The only other thing different about the A3 model's upper receiver is some slight contour changes around the front of the ejection ports on both sides.

Did everything go as planned? Or did you end up having to do some disassembly?

This is what Beretta should do if they ever start up production of the ARX-100 again.
Everything went as planned.  Just had to strip it down to the bare upper, then take our time.  Precision press + slide axis vice is the ticket.
Nice... I really thought you were going to have to remove the rails and the barrel guide, so it's great that you didn't have to do that.

I've only seen one other ARX-100 that was modified with the A3 vent holes, hopefully they didn't do it with a Dremel.
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Originally Posted By 556Cliff:

Nice... I really thought you were going to have to remove the rails and the barrel guide, so it's great that you didn't have to do that.

I've only seen one other ARX-100 that was modified with the A3 vent holes, hopefully they didn't do it with a Dremel.
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I should clarify that I did have to remove the side rails.  That was the most challenging part of the project because 1 screw had so much Loctite that the torx face got stripped trying to get it out, & so I took it to Benchmade Barrels to get it removed.  It turned out to be a blessing in disguise, though, because it gave me the impetus to have them cut the stock barrel to 14.5" & rethread it to the original spec, which took the final result up to another level.

I'd been planning on doing this for about a yr, & to finally have it done has got me pretty jazzed.  Now I just need to pick a can for it & look into the Nexus buttpad mod.

*Edited for clarification.
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:

I should clarify that I did have to remove the rails.  That was the most challenging part of the project because 1 had so much Loctite that the torx face got stripped trying to remove it, & I took it to Benchmade Barrels to get it removed.  It turned out to be a blessing in disguise, though, because it gave me the impetus to have them cut the stock barrel to 14.5" & rethread it to the original spec, which took the final result up to another level.

I'd been planning on doing this for about a yr, & to finally have it done has got me pretty jazzed.  Now I just need to pick a can for it & look into the Nexus buttpad mod.
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Just the side rails? Or did you have to remove the top rail and barrel guide too?

The Torx slots in those screws deform very easily... They will look mangled if they get 30 inch pounds, which is what Beretta said the torque spec was, so I messed up a couple screws during installation before I made some adjustments.
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