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Posted: 1/26/2019 6:32:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/33962/ARX_PNG-820698.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr:
Originally Posted By N_Parker: The Brownells listing states: "No Longer Available Product has been discontinued and no longer available" It does not specifically say discontinued by factory. Maybe Brownells has simply discontinued it from their offering. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 7:15:15 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt:
I was told by booth personnel the ARX is being replaced by a "true M4" in the near future. Buncha souless sellouts  |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 8:06:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: treasurediver]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: That's nice that they're going to jump into a 15 year old oversaturated market. #metoo! I also handled one of their APX pistols yesterday. It felt like a disaster. I think Beretta as a whole is in a mess. No more .mil contracts, the APX and ARX were both flops. I’m sure their shotgun market has to be suffering, especially with companies like CZ cutting into their market share. I know they have been around for 500 years, but I don’t see them being all that relevant in the future. It’s truly a shame. Anybody want to guess the MSRP of their M4? I’m betting it’s going to be $1200 or more. 
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Posted: 1/26/2019 8:36:46 AM EDT
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I do a fair bit on the retail side of guns, and some of the decisions the management of gun companies make are truly baffling. A lot of times there seems to be such a disconnect.
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Posted: 1/26/2019 8:56:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver: Yep, follow up some bad decisions with an even worse one. It’s just dumb. In my opinion the ARX is revolutionary. It just hit the civilian market late, cost too much by about $900, was not marketed at all, and a Gen 2 with some extremely simple upgrades (and caliber conversions) never came to be. Beretta really dropped the ball on this one. I also handled one of their APX pistols yesterday. It felt like a disaster. I think Beretta as a whole is in a mess. No more .mil contracts, the APX and ARX were both flops. I’m sure their shotgun market has to be suffering, especially with companies like CZ cutting into their market share. I know they have been around for 500 years, but I don’t see them being all that relevant in the future. It’s truly a shame. Anybody want to guess the MSRP of their M4? I’m betting it’s going to be $1200 or more. And the APX is a great pistol. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 11:56:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve: Your perceptions are not reality. Beretta’s shotgun line is probably more popular now than ever. And the APX is a great pistol. And I’m sure the APX, like the ARX, is a great gun. It just felt big, wide and clunky to me, and I was handling the compact version. Unlike the ARX that looked big and clunky but was quite the opposite once handled. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 12:14:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve: Your perceptions are not reality. Beretta’s shotgun line is probably more popular now than ever. And the APX is a great pistol. Although the APX seems like a good pistol - they don't sell very well at all. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 12:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver: Yeah, I’m out of the shotgun world, I just have a few friends that are pretty excited about the CZ offerings. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver: Yeah, I’m out of the shotgun world, I just have a few friends that are pretty excited about the CZ offerings. Originally Posted By E4W:
Although the APX seems like a good pistol - they don't sell very well at all. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 12:22:42 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt:
I was told by booth personnel the ARX is being replaced by a "true M4" in the near future. Buncha souless sellouts I love the AR15, but I can't think of anything that they could do with it that would make me want to buy one. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 1:08:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5ardaukar]
[#10]
Been lurking this thread for a while to keep tabs on the arx.
If John Chapman is still at Beretta, I expect a Beretta AR 15 to be decent. Not evolutionary or revolutionary, but a solid offering with good features, something in line with something like BCM. I already own an arx, wouldn’t mind a beretta made ar 15. Was hoping the 200 came out for civilians. Probably wouldn’t be competitive, but would like to have seen how it did. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 1:29:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By E4W: Correct on the shotgun line. Still the best shotgun line made. Although the APX seems like a good pistol - they don't sell very well at all. If they had beaten Sig and CZ to market they would have been in much better shape, but now they're basically the odd man out, and it's no fault of the design. The APX was my kitchen gun for a long time. That's been taken over by the stack of Beretta 92Ss I've stuck in different areas of the house. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 5:42:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver:
Yep, follow up some bad decisions with an even worse one. It’s just dumb. In my opinion the ARX is revolutionary. It just hit the civilian market late, cost too much by about $900, was not marketed at all, and a Gen 2 with some extremely simple upgrades (and caliber conversions) never came to be. Beretta really dropped the ball on this one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver:
Yep, follow up some bad decisions with an even worse one. It’s just dumb. In my opinion the ARX is revolutionary. It just hit the civilian market late, cost too much by about $900, was not marketed at all, and a Gen 2 with some extremely simple upgrades (and caliber conversions) never came to be. Beretta really dropped the ball on this one. I also handled one of their APX pistols yesterday. It felt like a disaster. I think Beretta as a whole is in a mess. No more .mil contracts, the APX and ARX were both flops. I’m sure their shotgun market has to be suffering, especially with companies like CZ cutting into their market share. I know they have been around for 500 years, but I don’t see them being all that relevant in the future. It’s truly a shame. Same with an AR15, if you're going to make a Glock, you need to give people a reason to buy it other than price. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 6:29:52 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt:
I was told by booth personnel the ARX is being replaced by a "true M4" in the near future. Buncha souless sellouts |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 6:41:12 PM EDT
[#14]
I would have bought 7.62x39 and . 300bo conversions instantly.
No interest in a another ar15 variant from Beretta. Probably won't buy another Beretta just out of spite now, and I own a few. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 7:00:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By avslash:
I would have bought 7.62x39 . |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 7:35:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dissident]
[#16]
I was thinking about picking up an ARX for my lefty son. I wonder how long Beretta will support the rifle. Maybe I should reconsider?
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USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 8:17:29 PM EDT
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I have yet to hear one break. They are built well.
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USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 9:07:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr:
That's nice that they're going to jump into a 15 year old oversaturated market. #metoo! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr:
Originally Posted By barnbwt:
I was told by booth personnel the ARX is being replaced by a "true M4" in the near future. Buncha souless sellouts This company needs an upper mgmt enima. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 9:29:12 PM EDT
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Well..when they lost the US Army contract...that hurt them...however they do really well with high end shotguns...
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 10:43:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: treasurediver]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
Well..when they lost the US Army contract...that hurt them...however they do really well with high end shotguns... I can only imagine the frustration of the engineers who developed the ARX. They came up with an extraordinary design only to watch it wither and die before it can take root. Maybe Stoeger will buy the design and start making them, lol. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:00:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver:
Yeah, like Colt they seem to have relied on their .mil contracts and neglected their marketing skills on their retail products. I can only imagine the frustration of the engineers who developed the ARX. They came up with an extraordinary design only to watch it wither and die before it can take root. Maybe Stoeger will buy the design and start making them, lol. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:20:44 AM EDT
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So, knowing it’s being discontinued, would you still buy it?
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:41:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: vellnueve]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver:
Yeah, like Colt they seem to have relied on their .mil contracts and neglected their marketing skills on their retail products. I can only imagine the frustration of the engineers who developed the ARX. They came up with an extraordinary design only to watch it wither and die before it can take root. Maybe Stoeger will buy the design and start making them, lol. You also do realize that Stoeger is a subsidiary of Benelli which is a subsidiary of Beretta, right? The M9 contract was a big one, but Beretta's bottom line is based in their shotguns, not their handguns and assault rifles. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:46:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident:
So, knowing it’s being discontinued, would you still buy it? If you decide not to go for the ARX though, I would look into the CZ Bren 2. Though it's not really available yet, and it's not as left hand friendly. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 4:16:21 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident:
So, knowing it’s being discontinued, would you still buy it? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:22:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve: You realize the ARX is the standard rifle of the Italian military and a few other countries? You also do realize that Stoeger is a subsidiary of Benelli which is a subsidiary of Beretta, right? The M9 contract was a big one, but Beretta's bottom line is based in their shotguns, not their handguns and assault rifles. I didn’t know that about Stoeger being a subsidiary. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:25:25 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident:
So, knowing it’s being discontinued, would you still buy it? |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:31:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver: I would do it all again. I bought mine knowing it may be a vagabond. You may want to acquire extra parts while you still can. It’s my favorite carbine right now. At least until the Bren 2 comes out. At least CZ knows how to market a gun. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:47:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: glklvr]
[#29]
Same here. I sprung for a second rifle for spare parts, considering what Beretta will charge.
I'd recommend anyone who has one do the same or get a kit from Botach. You can always sell off the barrel and make 1/2 your money back. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 12:46:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#30]
J&G Sales $1,199.95. > https://www.jgsales.com/beretta-arx-100-semi-auto-rifle,-556-223,-ambidextrous-controls,-side-folding-stock,-new.-p-94816.html
It's the lowest price I've seen so far, I'm not sure if you will find a new one with a lower price at this point. Here's a long list of places that no longer have any in stock. > https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/082442686196 There's only a few places left that sill have them. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:04:49 PM EDT
[#31]
Ratworx has some listed on Gunbroker at a “ Buy it now” of $899.00
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USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:23:12 PM EDT
[#32]
If you can find one at your local Academy, they’re $799.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 3:25:31 PM EDT
[#33]
I bought an APX in FDE some months ago. Beretta sent me five free mags and a mag loader as part of a promotion they were running at the time. Not a bad deal.
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USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 4:08:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pb57:
I bought an APX in FDE some months ago. Beretta sent me five free mags and a mag loader as part of a promotion they were running at the time. Not a bad deal. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 4:10:12 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
J&G Sales $1,199.95. > https://www.jgsales.com/beretta-arx-100-semi-auto-rifle,-556-223,-ambidextrous-controls,-side-folding-stock,-new.-p-94816.html It's the lowest price I've seen so far, I'm not sure if you will find a new one with a lower price at this point. Here's a long list of places that no longer have any in stock. > https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/082442686196 There's only a few places left that sill have them. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 4:27:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident:
So, knowing it's being discontinued, would you still buy it? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 4:41:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmftexas: The new norm? As they dry up (fish gun pun) I doubt anyone is going to lower their prices... They actually might go up. I have an email into Beretta about the ARX being discontinued, hopefully I will get an answer at some point. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 6:11:35 PM EDT
[#38]
[movieguyvoice] IN A WORLD....
*sounds of explosions* ...OF METOO! AR RIFLES....BERETTA SAYS.... *more explosions* ...ME TOO![/movieguyvoice] |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 6:14:16 PM EDT
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As of this morning, botach has black SBR for $899.99, parts kits for same I think
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Posted: 1/27/2019 6:22:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ChickenDaddy]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiff1:
Ratworx has some listed on Gunbroker at a “ Buy it now” of $899.00 Thats for an SBR |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 7:24:32 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr:
[movieguyvoice] IN A WORLD.... *sounds of explosions* ...OF METOO! AR RIFLES....BERETTA SAYS.... *more explosions* ...ME TOO![/movieguyvoice] |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 8:51:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy:
Now at 999.99 Thats for an SBR Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy:
Originally Posted By stiff1:
Ratworx has some listed on Gunbroker at a “ Buy it now” of $899.00 Thats for an SBR |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 8:58:37 AM EDT
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My local shop has had an ARX for awhile, if memory serves it’s between $900-$1k.
If anyone is interested shoot me a PM and I can get you their contact info. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 11:53:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#44]
I just received this email response from Beretta.
"Hello Cliff: Thank you for contacting Beretta Customer Support. Unless an official announcement has been made, Beretta USA will not discontinue production of the ARX-100, nor will we be introducing an AR-15. The ARX-200 is available for LEO and military purposes only. Best regards, Beretta Customer Support" |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 12:32:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: glklvr]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I just received this email response from Beretta. "Hello Cliff: Thank you for contacting Beretta Customer Support. Unless an official announcement has been made, Beretta USA will not discontinue production of the ARX-100, nor will we be introducing an AR-15. The ARX-200 is available for LEO and military purposes only. Best regards, Beretta Customer Support" No kidding. Thanks Beretta! 
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Posted: 1/28/2019 3:50:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cyclone]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident:
I was thinking about picking up an ARX for my lefty son. I wonder how long Beretta will support the rifle. Maybe I should reconsider? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 4:30:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
That's what I thought. I love the AR15, but I can't think of anything that they could do with it that would make me want to buy one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By barnbwt:
I was told by booth personnel the ARX is being replaced by a "true M4" in the near future. Buncha souless sellouts I love the AR15, but I can't think of anything that they could do with it that would make me want to buy one.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 4:40:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt:
Make a stock that looks like an ankle boot? I don't think that an AR with a boot stock would be a big selling point though. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 6:12:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I just received this email response from Beretta. "Hello Cliff: Thank you for contacting Beretta Customer Support. Unless an official announcement has been made, Beretta USA will not discontinue production of the ARX-100, nor will we be introducing an AR-15. The ARX-200 is available for LEO and military purposes only. Best regards, Beretta Customer Support" Left hand usually doesn't know what the right hand is doing at Beretta.
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USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 6:27:57 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman:
To be fair, they also claim there's been no change to the ARX's trigger, so the better feeling trigger everyone else seems to have is really the same as my 11# one. Left hand usually doesn't know what the right hand is doing at Beretta. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
I just received this email response from Beretta. "Hello Cliff: Thank you for contacting Beretta Customer Support. Unless an official announcement has been made, Beretta USA will not discontinue production of the ARX-100, nor will we be introducing an AR-15. The ARX-200 is available for LEO and military purposes only. Best regards, Beretta Customer Support" Left hand usually doesn't know what the right hand is doing at Beretta. Beretta could be doing its usual glacial pace shuffle, or something else. No one knows but them. But I still believe if they accessorize the 100 with cal conversion kits, & make a semi 200, the buyers will come. Customers respond to companies that stand behind & develop their products. |
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