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Posted: 12/20/2018 8:56:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgwlower:
The 200 will have to compete with; Scar 17 MDR - Please... Tavor T7 - Not out yet Galil Ace - AK XCR-M - Forgot it existed, but I guess PTR - Not new Bren heavy - Not out yet. When? Every FAL - - Not new Every AR10 clone - " Most of which, where applicable, thier 5.56 baby brothers enjoyed a hell of a lot more success than the ARX. Not only just sales success, but also after market support success.....something the ARX got none of. It's a far stretch to expect the 200 to gain enough success to earn the investment needed by Beretta to release the rifle for the USA market. It sucks, I really liked my ARX, but the writing was on the wall when there wasn't even a new ARX at the Beretta booth at shot last year. The bigger hurdle, IMO, is Beretta itself, as I would agree, they have seemingly abandoned the platform altogether. I posted previously that I don't expect a serious presence from them at the forthcoming SHOT Show. |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 10:09:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thehun06]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgwlower:
The 200 will have to compete with; Scar 17 MDR Tavor T7 Galil Ace XCR-M PTR Bren heavy Every FAL Every AR10 clone. Most of which, where applicable, thier 5.56 baby brothers enjoyed a hell of a lot more success than the ARX. Not only just sales success, but also after market support success.....something the ARX got none of. It's a far stretch to expect the 200 to gain enough success to earn the investment needed by Beretta to release the rifle for the USA market. It sucks, I really liked my ARX, but the writing was on the wall when there wasn't even a new ARX at the Beretta booth at shot last year. There is a need for intermediate 308 battle rifles right now throughout the world...which is nice because we can...hopefully...get some decent BRs. I love my LMT MWS...I am considering the Tavor 7 and Bren BR though...if ARX200 would release...I'd take a look at it too...but at the prices that T7 and CZ will release their 308s at will be very hard to beat. Beretta is hurting in the modern market as well as government contracts...they need to do something...hopefully...just hopefully...they will release the ARX200 or they have another evolution of the ARX100...we can hope. |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 12:21:21 PM EDT
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I really don't see another evolution of the ARX-100 coming. Anything new would have to come from a new development to the military models, and I haven't seen any further development there recently.
Best we can hope for is the A3 upper receiver with the large vent holes. |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 12:25:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2018 12:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr:
Save yourself some time. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/33962/Dremel_12V_Lithiumion_Rotary_Tool_8220_jpg-778825.JPG |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 7:16:17 PM EDT
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I filed a Form 4 for a Factory SBR in August 18. To my surprise 2 of the 3 Form 1's I filed 09/25/18 were approved on 12/13/18.
The ARX barrel is Factory barrel. 
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Posted: 12/20/2018 7:31:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
MDR...really...that thing is nothing but a nice niche, range gun that screams I have money (or pretend I do through credit card debt) and now look at me at the range....I am tacticool. That thing chokes more than it fires. There is a need for intermediate 308 battle rifles right now throughout the world...which is nice because we can...hopefully...get some decent BRs. I love my LMT MWS...I am considering the Tavor 7 and Bren BR though...if ARX200 would release...I'd take a look at it too...but at the prices that T7 and CZ will release their 308s at will be very hard to beat. Beretta is hurting in the modern market as well as government contracts...they need to do something...hopefully...just hopefully...they will release the ARX200 or they have another evolution of the ARX100...we can hope. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
MDR...really...that thing is nothing but a nice niche, range gun that screams I have money (or pretend I do through credit card debt) and now look at me at the range....I am tacticool. That thing chokes more than it fires. There is a need for intermediate 308 battle rifles right now throughout the world...which is nice because we can...hopefully...get some decent BRs. I love my LMT MWS...I am considering the Tavor 7 and Bren BR though...if ARX200 would release...I'd take a look at it too...but at the prices that T7 and CZ will release their 308s at will be very hard to beat. Beretta is hurting in the modern market as well as government contracts...they need to do something...hopefully...just hopefully...they will release the ARX200 or they have another evolution of the ARX100...we can hope. Originally Posted By thehun06:
Originally Posted By glklvr:
Save yourself some time. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/33962/Dremel_12V_Lithiumion_Rotary_Tool_8220_jpg-778825.JPG You need precision equipment: cutting bit in a drill press with a slide axis vice. That's my plan. |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 7:43:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Don't do that. You need precision equipment: cutting bit in a drill press with a slide axis vice. That's my plan. 
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Posted: 12/20/2018 8:01:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Agree. The T7 looks nice, but they should've licensed the dual extractor/ejector from Beretta & made the ejection switchable on-the-fly without requiring breakdown. That would've been slick, esp for a bullpup. The Bren 2 also looks nice, & though I'm not a big fan of the SCAR 6 bolt barrel retention method, at least it's serviceable. But the ARX-200 is still at the top of my .308 "want" list. Don't do that. You need precision equipment: cutting bit in a drill press with a slide axis vice. That's my plan. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 12:02:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: QB]
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There were several Academy Sports stores in my general area with ARX 100s in stock so today I drove out to one that supposedly had 3 of them. They now have only 1
They had $879 on the display and another blank tag next to it which had $799.99 on it and I verified that the price of S799.99 was still good. I was told that was their Hot Buy price. I had to pay sales tax but it was still cheaper than online purchases and paying for shipping and FFL transfer fees. I have one switched over to left ejection and the charging handle on the right and hope to shoot it next week. I also have a new midlength left handed AR15 16" I need to shoot so I'll see which one I like best. I know it's apples and oranges but I'm curious on how different they will feel when shooting. I'd also like to run the ARX suppressed, not sure yet. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:39:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
If you succeed and want to do mine...let me know. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: Agree. The T7 looks nice, but they should've licensed the dual extractor/ejector from Beretta & made the ejection switchable on-the-fly without requiring breakdown. That would've been slick, esp for a bullpup. The Bren 2 also looks nice, & though I'm not a big fan of the SCAR 6 bolt barrel retention method, at least it's serviceable. But the ARX-200 is still at the top of my .308 "want" list. Don't do that. You need precision equipment: cutting bit in a drill press with a slide axis vice. That's my plan. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 10:47:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ChickenDaddy]
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Beretta sent me an email yesterday with ARX100 mags for $19.99. EDIT: must have been yesterday only, even with 20% off they're over that price today.
I get at least 2 sales emails a day from them recently, they must be desperate. Sounds like I’ll Have another non supported gun by the time my FDE ARX100 SBR clears. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 11:34:28 AM EDT
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I do not think Beretta is doing all that hot right now with civilian sales...no one is talking about Beretta anymore.
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:50:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
I do not think Beretta is doing all that hot right now with civilian sales...no one is talking about Beretta anymore. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:53:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve: Beretta is selling every M9A3 they make and their sporting shotguns are selling as well as ever. Your perception is not reality. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:05:05 PM EDT
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Yeah I am not seeing Berettas move all that fast around where I live...
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Posted: 12/21/2018 5:58:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy:
Beretta sent me an email yesterday with ARX100 mags for $19.99. EDIT: must have been yesterday only, even with 20% off they're over that price today. I get at least 2 sales emails a day from them recently, they must be desperate. Sounds like I’ll Have another non supported gun by the time my FDE ARX100 SBR clears. And yeah, Beretta emails me every day or two with some new sale, too bad you can't use more than one code on an order and they're always doing oddball prices. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:59:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
I do not think Beretta is doing all that hot right now with civilian sales...no one is talking about Beretta anymore. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:10:57 AM EDT
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How has the move to TN been for Beretta...are they up and running yet?
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:04:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Obviously then, the thing to do is to not release anything innovative. Just sit idle & do nothing. Good strategy. I'm sure it'll pay off for them. Sounds like it already is, actually. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 6:41:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
How has the move to TN been for Beretta...are they up and running yet? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 8:27:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NightOwl]
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I saw this just now, figured it'd be interesting for the thread:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/12/21/adcor-defense-wins-beretta-lawsuit/ Reading the older thread linked in that one, Adcor and Beretta worked on an AR15 variation, and the deal fell through. Then Beretta took what they learned and used it for the ARX100. Seems like an odd thing with no real details, but honestly not sure what else might have come out about this since I wasn't paying attention to Beretta at the time. So yeah, Beretta had to pay out $20mil for the ARX100! You'd think they'd make some to recoup money, but who knows. They also supposedly got a hammer forge for barrels for the ARX100, but I guess they can use that for other stuff. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 9:43:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
They’ve been around for 500 years so obviously it has worked out Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: Obviously then, the thing to do is to not release anything innovative. Just sit idle & do nothing. Good strategy. I'm sure it'll pay off for them. Sounds like it already is, actually. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 9:45:05 PM EDT
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Has anyone had ADCO cut their barrel down to make and SBR? If so, how did it turn out? Were there any gas port problems? Turn around time? Price?
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Posted: 12/22/2018 9:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NightOwl:
I saw this just now, figured it'd be interesting for the thread: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/12/21/adcor-defense-wins-beretta-lawsuit/ Reading the older thread linked in that one, Adcor and Beretta worked on an AR15 variation, and the deal fell through. Then Beretta took what they learned and used it for the ARX100. Seems like an odd thing with no real details, but honestly not sure what else might have come out about this since I wasn't paying attention to Beretta at the time. So yeah, Beretta had to pay out $20mil for the ARX100! You'd think they'd make some to recoup money, but who knows. They also supposedly got a hammer forge for barrels for the ARX100, but I guess they can use that for other stuff. But they made a bunch for multiple armed forces and most likely covered their costs easily. |
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Posted: 12/23/2018 3:18:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
Yeah I am not seeing Berettas move all that fast around where I live... The older stuff is better than their newer stuff hands down. I just paid $400 for a serviceable Italian 92FS with holster wear and plan to refinish it before ever using it. For a little bit more I could of had a "new" Beretta that may or may not be a good handgun. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 12:09:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NightOwl:
I saw this just now, figured it'd be interesting for the thread: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/12/21/adcor-defense-wins-beretta-lawsuit/ Reading the older thread linked in that one, Adcor and Beretta worked on an AR15 variation, and the deal fell through. Then Beretta took what they learned and used it for the ARX100. Seems like an odd thing with no real details, but honestly not sure what else might have come out about this since I wasn't paying attention to Beretta at the time. So yeah, Beretta had to pay out $20mil for the ARX100! You'd think they'd make some to recoup money, but who knows. They also supposedly got a hammer forge for barrels for the ARX100, but I guess they can use that for other stuff. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 3:08:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: I have to wonder what aspect of their partnership was used on the 100, since it's a seemiauto 160, which was released in '08. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 3:43:37 PM EDT
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Well that lawsuit is not going to help things...but it could...Beretta needs to recoup that $20 Mil.
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Posted: 12/24/2018 11:05:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgwlower:
The 200 will have to compete with; Scar 17 MDR Tavor T7 Galil Ace XCR-M PTR Bren heavy Every FAL Every AR10 clone. Most of which, where applicable, thier 5.56 baby brothers enjoyed a hell of a lot more success than the ARX. Not only just sales success, but also after market support success.....something the ARX got none of. It's a far stretch to expect the 200 to gain enough success to earn the investment needed by Beretta to release the rifle for the USA market. It sucks, I really liked my ARX, but the writing was on the wall when there wasn't even a new ARX at the Beretta booth at shot last year. Likely though, Beretta is likely gunshy over the lukewarm ARX100 reception, and will not likely compete in the black rifle segment until it releases a fairly ho-hum me-too AR-15/AR-10 competitor. Which is a shame, the ARX series is a very different and innovative platform. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 7:52:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: Likely though, Beretta is likely gunshy over the lukewarm ARX100 reception, and will not likely compete in the black rifle segment until it releases a fairly ho-hum me-too AR-15/AR-10 competitor. Which is a shame, the ARX series is a very different and innovative platform. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 9:35:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgwlower:
The 200 will have to compete with; Scar 17 MDR Tavor T7 Galil Ace XCR-M PTR Bren heavy Every FAL Every AR10 clone. Most of which, where applicable, thier 5.56 baby brothers enjoyed a hell of a lot more success than the ARX. Not only just sales success, but also after market support success.....something the ARX got none of. It's a far stretch to expect the 200 to gain enough success to earn the investment needed by Beretta to release the rifle for the USA market. It sucks, I really liked my ARX, but the writing was on the wall when there wasn't even a new ARX at the Beretta booth at shot last year. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 1:31:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
The AR market is beyond saturated. They should try to create market demand for their product, rather than attempt to carve out a segment within an existing one. The fact that the. ARX-100 is selling indicates interest. Expecting demand on par with the AR world is expecting too much too soon. The ARX is somewhat of a radical departure from everything else in the 5.56 world, & being so new, it takes time for consumers to come around. The AR didn't win hearts & minds immediately, either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By doty_soty: Likely though, Beretta is likely gunshy over the lukewarm ARX100 reception, and will not likely compete in the black rifle segment until it releases a fairly ho-hum me-too AR-15/AR-10 competitor. Which is a shame, the ARX series is a very different and innovative platform. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 1:48:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: The AR market is beyond saturated. They should try to create market demand for their product, rather than attempt to carve out a segment within an existing one. The fact that the. ARX-100 is selling indicates interest. Expecting demand on par with the AR world is expecting too much too soon. The ARX is somewhat of a radical departure from everything else in the 5.56 world, & being so new, it takes time for consumers to come around. The AR didn't win hearts & minds immediately, either. Show the Beretta as a tough as nails gun, highlight the folding stock and totally ambidextrous nature. Make retail $1200 and sell for $900, maybe you'll get it. Also, the pistol version. They have the barrel design, they could easily make a cap with a pic rail for the backside, and BOOM, you've got an ARX100 pistol! But, Beretta took decades to realize the 92fs wasn't going to beat Glock in the LE market, so lets not go too crazy. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 3:17:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NightOwl: The AR market problem is the low end. So many $500 guns, kids don't see advantages to $1000 AR's, let alone offbrands. I'm really curious about the sales for the $900 ARX100, certainly the $1700 ARX was dead on arrival. Marketing for firearms is a niche, but Beretta is especially poor at it. For a bunch of reasons, it just never clicked for the ARX. I’m not sure a $900 ARX is going to do much better against $500 ARs as the $1700 ARX did against (then) $900 ARs. Maybe history will be kinder. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 5:13:01 PM EDT
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I don't know...people who are in the market for $500 ARs are probably the people that wouldn't spend any higher money on other high end factory platform either...no matter the brand.
Beretta should have launched the ARX100 with a MSRP of $1399 with a street price of $1199....when it was launched... But...Beretta did offer essentially a carbon copy of the military variant in semi auto...they didn't change a thing outside of that. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 7:52:17 PM EDT
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I wanted an ARX since Botach had them listed for $1200 or so, but I never pulled the trigger. I was shocked when Academy had them for $879 and even more so when they discounted them to $799. It looks like Academy took them off their site about a month ago. Worried that the run of dirt cheap ARXs is coming to an end, I ran out and bought the last non-display rifle in central Florida for $799 yesterday. Just wanted to share and let others know the time to get one may be right now!
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Posted: 12/25/2018 8:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL:
I wanted an ARX since Botach had them listed for $1200 or so, but I never pulled the trigger. I was shocked when Academy had them for $879 and even more so when they discounted them to $799. It looks like Academy took them off their site about a month ago. Worried that the run of dirt cheap ARXs is coming to an end, I ran out and bought the last non-display rifle in central Florida for $799 yesterday. Just wanted to share and let others know the time to get one may be right now! |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 9:39:20 PM EDT
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I think many gun shops still selling them above $1000
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Posted: 12/25/2018 10:21:50 PM EDT
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Will ETS mags work in the ARX?
https://www.etsgroup.us/ETS-Group-AR15-Magazine-30-Round-p/ar15-30.htm |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 1:28:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Headspacer:
Will ETS mags work in the ARX? https://www.etsgroup.us/ETS-Group-AR15-Magazine-30-Round-p/ar15-30.htm |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 5:21:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: The price is one of the main things, but there are other higher priced non-ARs that have been more successful, like the Tavor/X95, SCAR, and Bren 805, so it’s not just price alone. There are real negatives about the ARX, such as the heavy trigger, the deep magwell that results in some popular mags not fitting (e.g. Gen 3 Magpul), early reports of poor accuracy, the loose top rail issue, the height of the top rail combined with the low stock with no factory riser or cheekpiece available, lack of QD attachments, stiff safety lever, poor ergonomic position of the safety and mag release, very proprietary with limited aftermarket, etc. The major pros of the design, the ambidextrous nature and the easily removable barrel, are something not everyone cares that much about. For example, if you’re a right handed shooter, you may not care much about being able swap ejection to the left side. Or, if you don’t have a number of different barrels, the QD barrel is mostly neat for ease of cleaning, but not $1700 neat. Finally, as a military weapon, the ARX doesn’t seem to have much adoption beyond the Italian military, and for what ever reason, Italy isn’t as highly thought of for modern rifle design as Germany, Belgium, or Israel. A very different situation than their shotguns, where Benelli and Beretta are very highly regarded. For a bunch of reasons, it just never clicked for the ARX. I’m not sure a $900 ARX is going to do much better against $500 ARs as the $1700 ARX did against (then) $900 ARs. Maybe history will be kinder. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:55:12 PM EDT
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It appears the serial number sequence on these rifles may not have any relation to chronological order. My original ARX100 was purchased from Botach in April 2017, with a serial number of SX103XX. I received my second rifle today from Grabagun, and it bears a serial number of SX089XX and a manufacture date of 2018 ( per the Beretta support serial number lookup). The rifle picked up today also exhibits the nicer trigger that has been reported on newer examples.
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:46:08 AM EDT
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Yeah I do not think its sequential serial numbers either...my first ARX was a higher number than my latest one...which comes back as a 2018 production....
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:59:06 AM EDT
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All the plastic parts, especially on the lower receiver, have mold dates. I bought mine new in 2018, but they have 2014 mold dates.
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Posted: 1/5/2019 1:34:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver:
All the plastic parts, especially on the lower receiver, have mold dates. I bought mine new in 2018, but they have 2014 mold dates.  
Pretty sure Beretta didn't sell many of these one bit...have/had surplus molds left over...and built new guns out of them... |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 1:53:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Same...but the serial numbers comes back as 2018...
Pretty sure Beretta didn't sell many of these one bit...have/had surplus molds left over...and built new guns out of them... |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:36:32 PM EDT
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Mine is the same...2014-2017 mold numbers on the plastics...Serial is 2018 date of manufacture.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:35:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: treasurediver]
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Overall, I love this rifle. Coming from an AR, it’s a bit wierd to begin with, but not only have I adapted to the controls, I actually now prefer them so much that I’m adding ambi safeties and BAD levers to my ARs to mimic them.
My biggest complaint so far is the short safety lever. I took a polyvinyl impression of the safety and duplicated it in dental stone followed by fabricating an epoxy-based overmold that adds about 1/4” to the length of the safety, and with the extra leverage, makes the stiff safety seem very light and crisp. 
Anyway, enough talk, here is my spec list: -Troy micro sights (I know, f$&k Troy, but I needed low sights) -Holosun micro dot with 1/2” riser to cowitness the irons -GGG sling. I still need a Fastex buckle on the front loop for quick removal -Magpul ladder rail covers -Magpul rail cover on the bottom. I used a razor blade to remove the slots on the GL portion of the rail and hot glued it in place. The glue is holding well and will peel off the receiver easily. Makes a HUGE difference in the way the gun handles. 
This carbine is a steal at $799. I should probably buy a second one. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:58:19 PM EDT
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Interesting concept on the levers...they haven't bothered me too much in OEM config but that is neat...you think it will hold up?
What sling is that? Best mod I ever done was filling down the A2 grip nub...makes it a ton more comfortable... |
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