Just in case someone wants one now...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=419196637

From the article:



Pretty much what I thought.  Plain-Jane railed A3 ver for me, thankyouverymuch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjDsBhaY2Js

Remove the sights and replace them with Magpul MBUS Pro metal sights and get rid of the bulky stock sights and it would be near perfect

So if i was looking at this or the 556xi towards the end of the year what would people be recommending?

I just tried my sure fire 60 rd mag and it fit. A little tight but seated and the bolt lock back on a manual pull of the bolt. Am trying to go shoot tomorrow and will try a few rounds in the sure fire to see if it functions. But,I'm betting it will.

I've found the 556Xi at much cheaper prices in my area than the ARX...........about 1,200 bucks for the 556Xi compared to 1600 for the ARX. And I have heard a some good things about the Xi. I guess it's just a matter of preference

Recommending Ron Cohen era Sigs is a good way to make enemies.

Go with the Beretta.

Care to explain as someone who is unfamiliar with either sig or beretta (the latter beyond the m9 and their shotguns)?

Cohen is the guy from Kimber.  Supposedly he has implemented a number of cost cutting measures at Sig that have had an impact on quality.  The examples I have heard are outsourcing parts and using more MIM parts, moving from high quality Mec Gar mags to lower quality Checkmate mags as well as introducing 1000 different variants of every gun Sig makes.

I see thanks for the explanation. Everything i've read on the xi has been wonderful (other than the fact that the quick change barrel doesn't appear to be quite as advertised), 100% positive on a product always makes me a little leary. Anyway without derailing the the read i'm still in for user reviews of the arx100

Got mine sighted in with a Aimpoint M4. Used M855 ball, didn't fine tune it yet. I like it more after each round, wish they had left the grip and forearm alone, but not a deal breaker. Someone will come up with a forearm solution. I think this gun is capable of descent accuracy. It's a good fit with all my other 5.56 carbines. It will be fine for under 500 yds as I wanted!

Here's a review. > http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/beretta-arx-100-ultimate-tactical-rifle-review-video/


Some of the comments at the end as always are a bit

Whoa, whoa. Is this really true? If so, it's a total deal-breaker for me.

Here is a quote from Larry Vickers over on M4Carbine.net

"Just got an ARX-100 to add to the reference collection - it has some innovative features in particular for those that like to configure their weapon for left or right hand use - however I noticed my top picatinny rail is not sufficiently tight from the factory ; I get wobble once an Aimpoint PRO is mounted

Anyone else notice this ?"

I wonder if this is due to not having the gas adjustment set to the correct setting.

I have had multiple rifles (lots of ARs, AUG, etc) have issues with some lots of Wolf and Tula (same problem, not extracting from chamber) and other lots run fine. Guns ranging from Model 1 Sales barrels to Colt and Steyr. I think it's more of an ammo issue.

"Not extracting" is not an ammo issue. Cycling problems, alright, but flat-out not extracting is weird.

I guess we'll see.  Kind of monkey-wrenches the possibility of a 7.62x39 cal conversion, what with the availability & relatively reasonable price of Russian-30 steel-cased ammo.

There's 7.62x39 variants out in the field with the military of one of the -istans...

7.62x39 steel should be a different animal since it will be a different chamber and 7.62 is tapered so steel ammo extracts much easier. That is why AK's cycle steel so easily.

From the NRA show... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW1JO8CihJc

Sounds to me like the wait was for the A3 features.

If they were going to do the large vent A3 handguards I think they would have done it with the first ones out, especially if the wait was for A3 features.


I thought I heard somewhere that the ARX-160A3 was an IAR, which would explain why it's handguard was made with an extra cooling capability. The ARX-100 not being an IAR there was no need to incorporate the extra cooling capability of the ARX-160A3.

So I don't think that the one and only omitted A3 IAR feature is coming.


I may be wrong about the A3 model being an IAR though.


Edit: This is where I heard the IAR thing. > http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/12/beretta-arx-160a3-infantry-automatic-rifle-model/

Looks to me like the A3 being an IAR is not correct.

I just heard from a dealer that Beretta is replacing the trigger packs on the ARX100, anyone know the details?

The only thing my dealer is telling me is that he can't find me one

I have one on hold waiting for a trigger update.... :-(

ATF must using the shoe lace again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goCPjAJ2j0Y

Here is another quote from Larry Vickers on M4Carbine.net

"Pepper

I tightened mine up also and it more or less removed the wobble from the center of the rail where it bolts into the receiver however I still get wobble at the rear of the rail if I wiggle the rear sight side to side - please check yours for this and let me know

I studied the interface and the tongue and groove design which is how the top aluminum picatinny rail slides onto the polymer receiver has far too much gap to ever be really tight - this design flaw is unforgivable and if I were in the market to buy one of these I would wait until this is resolved

I have worked with some of the Italian SF guys and they use Diemaco carbines - they have nothing good to say about the Beretta AR70/90 and Beretta as a whole ; this was pre ARX160 but I can guess what they think about it

This rifle in my mind confirms what I already knew about Beretta - they could care less about anything other than sporting weapons ( mainly shotguns ) and are content to rest on their M9 laurels

Weak sauce; buyer beware"

Ok from what I know so far is the lowers are being updated to give full 3rd party mag support. Need to confirm but it would make sense for them to do this.

I've got a gut feeling that Beretta is blowing out these G2 receivers they made last year and will have the G3 out soon.

That settles it, I'm waiting some more.

While they're at it they might as well get rid of that A2 finger bump.

Wait, WUT?  Play in the top rail? This tidbit is seriously bad design joo-joo.  No doubt LV knows what he's talking about.

I was really interested in this platform, but either they fix it or I'm moving on.  What a revolting development.

I've decided to wait for FDE regardless.



Good ol' Acraglas bedding would fix a wobbly rail forever.
It wouldn't even permanently fuse the rail to the  stock either, all for a wallet thumping $15 to boot.

I got 3 of these in the first release and there hasn't been any wobble of the rails, maybe he got one that slipped through the qc check.

That was me that posted on the other forum and i explained in the later reply that when I tightened the rail that pretty much took care of the problem. The only concern is that I found a little bit of vertical play in the rail on the very back of it. I don't know if it will affect accuracy or not. I still like the carbine but with all things new some things have to be ironed out. I believe that the problem could be corrected with a screw on the back attachment point. My 2 cents.

Do you know if the rail screws had some sort of thread locker on them?

I'm looking forward to the full review on this to be honest

I hope he checks for how well the barrel returns to zero but with loose top rails who knows how accurate that test would be.

Well he didn't mention loose top rails as some have mentioned here.

I wonder if this is a little like the loose side rail on the tavor, it seems like the minority of people's rail with that rifle has a slight wobble. Maybe beretta just needs to up their QC a little?

Anyway i'm still very interested in this rifle but i'd like to see some more reviews. A lot of the reviews basically calling this the second coming but very few talk about reliability, accuracy etc (they are more focused on modularity). Not saying it isn't either of the first two i'm just curious. I'm also not a poly hater but i was a little alarmed by how flimsy the receiver seemed in that vid when he was squeezing on it. I know it probably doesn't make any difference but it did freak me out just a little.

Do you know if the rail screws had some sort of thread locker on them?



I have no idea if they did. Just tightened the stews from both sides.

Nowhere at least this point, I heard Beretta only released a small batch and it may be another 4-6 months for the next released batch, again going off only what I've heard through the grapevine.

You guys need to make the QD sling mounts that attach to the flat, molded in sling loops.

Beretta said they would be coming out with the rifle, but are nowhere to be found.

Here's a quote from MAC over on BerettaForum.net

"Hey guys,

Let me clarify a few things about my rifle and how my opinion is shaping up regarding its features, quality, shootability, etc.

I'll start off by saying I like the rifle. It's interesting to me because it brings a couple of features to the market that previously weren't present. The ability to quickly change the charging handle from one side to the other without having to partially field strip the rifle is unique. The ability to set left or right side ejection with the tip of a bullet is very unique. In a military rifle I don't see these features as being all that desirable (simple is better IMHO) but in a commercial rifle I think they're outstanding features. Lefties are often times left completely out in the cold so the ARX100 should be a dream come true for them.

The rifle is of modest weight but it feels lighter than it really is. It's over 6lbs, which isn't heavy, but in the age of the Mag Tactical AIR15 rifle (less than 5lbs and it's all metal) it's a bit heavy. You wouldn't know this though from handling it. It is very nimble and would be comfortable to carry around for extended periods of time.

The recoil is light. It felt much lighter than it looks in some of the video. It's a very easy rifle to shoot. When I measured the trigger pull at 10.75lbs I was in shock. I knew it was heavy, but holy cow that surprised me. Despite the heavy trigger pull, it's a very short trigger with a fairly crisp break. I can still shoot it very quickly without much trouble. Where I fear the pull weight will become an issue is on the long range when I go to shoot groups. We shall see.

The quick change barrel is nice too. If the 300BLK barrels hit the market quickly, I can see this being a selling point. I'm not a 300BLK fan, but to those that are, this rifle will be of considerable interest.

I won't say the disassembly is difficult, because it's not, it's just different. Given you have to fold the stock to take the gun apart, states that don't allow for folding stocks on their rifles probably won't get the ARX100 any time soon. Perhaps Beretta is working on this already, we'll see.

My top rail fits perfectly and is very tight. So far I've seen no movement.

Now for the things I'm not so impressed with.

The mag issue. Fortunately I have a huge collection of Gen 2 PMAGs so I'm good. The rifle works with them just fine. I had only brought out a Gen 3 the day I shoot the first video so it wasn't until I got back to my shop that I realized a Gen 2 works. I wish it would work with my XS Products drums... and some will wish it worked with the Surefire mags (I dislike them personally). The only reason the Gen 3 PMAGs don't work is because they now include an over insertion prevention self on the back of the body that the Gen 2's didn't have. If you were in a pinch, simple hand tools could be used to remove this shelf and allow the mags to work in the rifle.

The lack of QD mounts is troubling. The antiquated strap sling mounts seem a bit awkward for a modern rifle.

The front hand guard rail being left in its military configuration vs. having a full 1913 rail under the protector is another oddity I wish Beretta would have changed.

The sights are pretty bad. I would ditch them and go to something smaller in profile. Since they're only back-up sights, this isn't a major problem but I think most folks would want to be rid of them given how big and clunky they are.

The stock is a bit short. Even at its fully extended position it's too short for my tastes. If I weren't 6'4" and if I wore body armor to the range for target practice the stock would be good to go. Being a Yeti that never wears body armor, I would like to have another inch or two added to the stock. This is a very minor ding though, IMHO.

Overall the quality of the rifle seems quite good. It ran flawlessly on its first range trip and I walked away more impressed with it than I was when I first pulled it from the box. So far I really like the gun and keep thinking what it would look like as a SBR.

I hear they are selling for under $1700, which I will point out in my full review. I can't predict what retailers will sell them for so I typically stick with MSRP pricing. But given the fact it's well under $2k I don't think it's horribly over priced given todays market.

I look forward to shooting it more next weekend. I'm really curious how it performs in the accuracy department and how the light weight barrel handles extended shooting strings. I'm also curious if the rifle maintains zero after removing and reinstalling the barrel over and over."

Not really sure how I missed it with as much finger fucking as I've done with mine, but on inspection (after reading the last couple pages) the rail on my ARX is loose.  I'll try to tighten it and see if that corrects the wobble that is present when I torque the optic from side to side.  I still haven't been able to register mine online with  Beretta's product registration.  There is still no option for the 5.56 ARX-100, only the .22 ARX-160 is listed.  I called customer service and they acted like its not a big deal and advised to keep trying over the coming weeks?!?

http://www.thebangswitch.com/pmags-and-the-beretta-arx100/

Just sell 12.5" or 10" barrels and I'm sold

Has anyone with this loose top rail problem let Beretta know about it?

If they don't know about it they can't fix it.

Here's another quote from MAC over on BerettaForum.net

"Well, I have some bad news. Today I took the rifle out to get some 100 yard groups and discovered that my rail is in fact loose. No amount of tightening would take the play out of it. It would appear Larry Vickers' observations were in fact correct.

Despite this, I was able to get 2.5" groups at 100 yards using Wolf Gold .223. That as good as most any other rifle I've tested with the same ammo. I used a Zeiss 3-12x scope."