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Posted: 4/4/2014 2:35:33 PM EDT
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Sounds good to me..............ready to spend some cash
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpecWired:
Apparently part of the delay was adding CHF chrome lined barrels, more aluminum internal parts, and adjustable gas system. All good features to have so the delay wasn't pointless. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Um, CHF is a method of forming a barrel by hammering steel around a rod. Nitride and chrome-lining are ways of lining the bore. As far as I'm concerned, this is a battle rifle, chrome-lined is fine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By SpecWired:
Apparently part of the delay was adding CHF chrome lined barrels, more aluminum internal parts, and adjustable gas system. All good features to have so the delay wasn't pointless. CHF is a step down from the original nitride bbl's. Otherwise okay, though I will still wait for the power rail. Um, CHF is a method of forming a barrel by hammering steel around a rod. Nitride and chrome-lining are ways of lining the bore. As far as I'm concerned, this is a battle rifle, chrome-lined is fine. It's also inferior to nitriding depending on it's intended usage. M-60 barrels had a nitride coated barrel and a chrome lined chamber. The problem is that casual users, who buy the majority of black rifles and only know that rifles from the M-1 to M-16 have chrome barrels, so that's what they want too. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 7:01:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Um, CHF is a method of forming a barrel by hammering steel around a rod. Nitride and chrome-lining are ways of lining the bore. As far as I'm concerned, this is a battle rifle, chrome-lined is fine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By SpecWired:
Apparently part of the delay was adding CHF chrome lined barrels, more aluminum internal parts, and adjustable gas system. All good features to have so the delay wasn't pointless. CHF is a step down from the original nitride bbl's. Otherwise okay, though I will still wait for the power rail. Um, CHF is a method of forming a barrel by hammering steel around a rod. Nitride and chrome-lining are ways of lining the bore. As far as I'm concerned, this is a battle rifle, chrome-lined is fine. My mistake. I'm addressing chrome lining v. nitride treatment, not hammer forging. There's nothing wrong with chroming, but the nitride treatment is better. The change is due to market ignorance. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:18:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: vellnueve]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
It's also inferior to nitriding depending on it's intended usage. M-60 barrels had a nitride coated barrel and a chrome lined chamber. The problem is that casual users, who buy the majority of black rifles and only know that rifles from the M-1 to M-16 have chrome barrels, so that's what they want too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By SpecWired:
Apparently part of the delay was adding CHF chrome lined barrels, more aluminum internal parts, and adjustable gas system. All good features to have so the delay wasn't pointless. CHF is a step down from the original nitride bbl's. Otherwise okay, though I will still wait for the power rail. Um, CHF is a method of forming a barrel by hammering steel around a rod. Nitride and chrome-lining are ways of lining the bore. As far as I'm concerned, this is a battle rifle, chrome-lined is fine. It's also inferior to nitriding depending on it's intended usage. M-60 barrels had a nitride coated barrel and a chrome lined chamber. The problem is that casual users, who buy the majority of black rifles and only know that rifles from the M-1 to M-16 have chrome barrels, so that's what they want too. Not sure that holding the M-60 up as an example for others to follow is a great idea. Perhaps nitriding is better, but for pretty much any purpose there's no functional difference at all. My precision bolt gun's barrel has no lining, as do a few of the ARs including my precision AR. The rest of them are chrome lined, and that works for me. Nitriding certainly isn't a make or break for a purchase for me, and if it's responsible for that potential drop of $400 in the price, I'll be very happy to take a chrome-lined barrel. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:16:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bullet_]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Not sure that holding the M-60 up as an example for others to follow is a great idea. Perhaps nitriding is better, but for pretty much any purpose there's no functional difference at all. My precision bolt gun's barrel has no lining, as do a few of the ARs including my precision AR. The rest of them are chrome lined, and that works for me. Nitriding certainly isn't a make or break for a purchase for me, and if it's responsible for that potential drop of $400 in the price, I'll be very happy to take a chrome-lined barrel. The M-60's less than stellar reputation is what it is and doesn't factor into technical discussions outside the " good individual design ideas that turned out to be crappy together " file. Chrome lining is actually more expensive to do than nitriding, so adding it to the ARX upped the mfg cost and delayed release. I wish Beretta was more responsive to customer demands on the polymer shell and got rid of that hideous and uncomfortable M-16A2 grip. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:31:22 AM EDT
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Looking forward to experiencing the feel and handling characteristics of it. Hoping that opportunity is very soon
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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:07:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: vellnueve]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
The M-60's less than stellar reputation is what it is and doesn't factor into technical discussions outside the " good individual design ideas that turned out to be crappy together " file. Chrome lining is actually more expensive to do than nitriding, so adding it to the ARX upped the mfg cost and delayed release. I wish Beretta was more responsive to customer demands on the polymer shell and got rid of that hideous and uncomfortable M-16A2 grip. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Not sure that holding the M-60 up as an example for others to follow is a great idea. Perhaps nitriding is better, but for pretty much any purpose there's no functional difference at all. My precision bolt gun's barrel has no lining, as do a few of the ARs including my precision AR. The rest of them are chrome lined, and that works for me. Nitriding certainly isn't a make or break for a purchase for me, and if it's responsible for that potential drop of $400 in the price, I'll be very happy to take a chrome-lined barrel. The M-60's less than stellar reputation is what it is and doesn't factor into technical discussions outside the " good individual design ideas that turned out to be crappy together " file. Chrome lining is actually more expensive to do than nitriding, so adding it to the ARX upped the mfg cost and delayed release. I wish Beretta was more responsive to customer demands on the polymer shell and got rid of that hideous and uncomfortable M-16A2 grip. I don't mind the grip, I just wish they had stuck with the original longer handguard. Hopefully it means they'll be releasing some very short barrels for it. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 7:56:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2014 8:45:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fuatos]
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I only hope the action is as smooth as the AR70's... It was as smooth as butter!
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Posted: 4/10/2014 10:58:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2014 11:18:52 PM EDT
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The first 15! Patiently waiting...
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Posted: 4/11/2014 12:28:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hawkin:
The first 15! Patiently waiting... That rack is double-sided. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 1:23:03 AM EDT
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For those who hate or won't click on Facebook Face-Fuck .
The first 30 ARX100s off the line.
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Posted: 4/11/2014 7:53:37 AM EDT
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Notice those posts about the price point being 1,950?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
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Posted: 4/11/2014 8:08:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone:
Notice those posts about the price point being 1,950? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone:
Notice those posts about the price point being 1,950? Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
They need to come here and read the posts where we know it's listed by at least one online seller for < $1400. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 8:52:50 AM EDT
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That's a pretty skinny barrel profile. Sounds like they will have some barrel options down the road...
From the Beretta site: "Quick-Change Barrel The barrel is cold-hammer forged and chrome-lined for maximum toughness, corrosion-resistance and durability. It is also easily replaceable in a matter of seconds, making it possible to equip your ARX100 with barrels of different lengths and calibers." |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 3:33:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fuatos:
That's a pretty skinny barrel profile. Sounds like they will have some barrel options down the road... http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp345/fuatos/ARX100Quick_change_Barrel__zpsb70fb090.jpg From the Beretta site: "Quick-Change Barrel The barrel is cold-hammer forged and chrome-lined for maximum toughness, corrosion-resistance and durability. It is also easily replaceable in a matter of seconds, making it possible to equip your ARX100 with barrels of different lengths and calibers." CHF is probably the best method of bbl. making where duability is concerned. A "medium" profile might be a cool option, but I'm really wanting a 7.62x39 cal option. I'm just gonna have to wait it out until the A3-improved models start rolling. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 12:23:54 PM EDT
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I can't wait to SBR one of these...it will look amazing without that tiny little barrel sticking out so far
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Posted: 4/12/2014 12:41:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
CHF is probably the best method of bbl. making where duability is concerned. A "medium" profile might be a cool option, but I'm really wanting a 7.62x39 cal option. I'm just gonna have to wait it out until the A3-improved models start rolling. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By fuatos:
That's a pretty skinny barrel profile. Sounds like they will have some barrel options down the road... http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp345/fuatos/ARX100Quick_change_Barrel__zpsb70fb090.jpg From the Beretta site: "Quick-Change Barrel The barrel is cold-hammer forged and chrome-lined for maximum toughness, corrosion-resistance and durability. It is also easily replaceable in a matter of seconds, making it possible to equip your ARX100 with barrels of different lengths and calibers." CHF is probably the best method of bbl. making where duability is concerned. A "medium" profile might be a cool option, but I'm really wanting a 7.62x39 cal option. I'm just gonna have to wait it out until the A3-improved models start rolling. The ARX-100 has most of the A3 features already. The only A3 features that it didn't have when we last saw it at the Shot Show were the large vent hole handguards and a bayonet lug. From the roll out picture that they showed on Facebook I can't tell if it now has those two other features or not. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 5:51:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
The ARX-100 has most of the A3 features already. The only A3 features that it didn't have when we last saw it at the Shot Show were the large vent hole handguards and a bayonet lug. From the roll out picture that they showed on Facebook I can't tell if it now has those two other features or not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By fuatos:
That's a pretty skinny barrel profile. Sounds like they will have some barrel options down the road... http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp345/fuatos/ARX100Quick_change_Barrel__zpsb70fb090.jpg From the Beretta site: "Quick-Change Barrel The barrel is cold-hammer forged and chrome-lined for maximum toughness, corrosion-resistance and durability. It is also easily replaceable in a matter of seconds, making it possible to equip your ARX100 with barrels of different lengths and calibers." CHF is probably the best method of bbl. making where duability is concerned. A "medium" profile might be a cool option, but I'm really wanting a 7.62x39 cal option. I'm just gonna have to wait it out until the A3-improved models start rolling. The ARX-100 has most of the A3 features already. The only A3 features that it didn't have when we last saw it at the Shot Show were the large vent hole handguards and a bayonet lug. From the roll out picture that they showed on Facebook I can't tell if it now has those two other features or not. That's pretty much what I observed. The larger vents are a definite upgrade, IMO. Still curious about the "powered rail", but if they upgrade to the A3 HG, then I just might not be able to wait. 
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Posted: 4/12/2014 7:51:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
That's pretty much what I observed. The larger vents are a definite upgrade, IMO. Still curious about the "powered rail", but if they upgrade to the A3 HG, then I just might not be able to wait.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By fuatos:
That's a pretty skinny barrel profile. Sounds like they will have some barrel options down the road... http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp345/fuatos/ARX100Quick_change_Barrel__zpsb70fb090.jpg From the Beretta site: "Quick-Change Barrel The barrel is cold-hammer forged and chrome-lined for maximum toughness, corrosion-resistance and durability. It is also easily replaceable in a matter of seconds, making it possible to equip your ARX100 with barrels of different lengths and calibers." CHF is probably the best method of bbl. making where duability is concerned. A "medium" profile might be a cool option, but I'm really wanting a 7.62x39 cal option. I'm just gonna have to wait it out until the A3-improved models start rolling. The ARX-100 has most of the A3 features already. The only A3 features that it didn't have when we last saw it at the Shot Show were the large vent hole handguards and a bayonet lug. From the roll out picture that they showed on Facebook I can't tell if it now has those two other features or not. That's pretty much what I observed. The larger vents are a definite upgrade, IMO. Still curious about the "powered rail", but if they upgrade to the A3 HG, then I just might not be able to wait.
I have some interest in the powered rail but not enough to keep me waiting any longer. I also would love to have the ARX-100 with the large vent hole handguards, though I'm not so sure if that is even enough to keep me waiting any longer. I just don't think I could live through a self imposed 60 to 90 days, or however long it may be. 
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Posted: 4/12/2014 9:24:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I have some interest in the powered rail but not enough to keep me waiting any longer. I also would love to have the ARX-100 with the large vent hole handguards, though I'm not so sure if that is even enough to keep me waiting any longer. I just don't think I could live through a self imposed 60 to 90 days, or however long it may be. The powered rail actually doesn't interest me very much. The cost, limited selection of any early offerings in the add-on dept and possibility of the entire idea dying on the vine makes it a long term wait and see item IMO. As far as the waiting for them to show up at dealers goes, for me barring a miracle or surprise sale, it has always been 6-8 months after the first ones hit GunBroker before I would buy one. I am not paying 2X MSRP to be the first kid on the block with one, or even full MSRP. Phoenix has lots of top self gunsmiths who can work magic with polymer guns. So no matter the vent hole size, or if it has the idiotic and piss poor M16A2 style pistol grip, mine will be " right " sooner or later. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 11:07:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
The powered rail actually doesn't interest me very much. The cost, limited selection of any early offerings in the add-on dept and possibility of the entire idea dying on the vine makes it a long term wait and see item IMO. As far as the waiting for them to show up at dealers goes, for me barring a miracle or surprise sale, it has always been 6-8 months after the first ones hit GunBroker before I would buy one. I am not paying 2X MSRP to be the first kid on the block with one, or even full MSRP. Phoenix has lots of top self gunsmiths who can work magic with polymer guns. So no matter the vent hole size, or if it has the idiotic and piss poor M16A2 style pistol grip, mine will be " right " sooner or later. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
I have some interest in the powered rail but not enough to keep me waiting any longer. I also would love to have the ARX-100 with the large vent hole handguards, though I'm not so sure if that is even enough to keep me waiting any longer. I just don't think I could live through a self imposed 60 to 90 days, or however long it may be. The powered rail actually doesn't interest me very much. The cost, limited selection of any early offerings in the add-on dept and possibility of the entire idea dying on the vine makes it a long term wait and see item IMO. As far as the waiting for them to show up at dealers goes, for me barring a miracle or surprise sale, it has always been 6-8 months after the first ones hit GunBroker before I would buy one. I am not paying 2X MSRP to be the first kid on the block with one, or even full MSRP. Phoenix has lots of top self gunsmiths who can work magic with polymer guns. So no matter the vent hole size, or if it has the idiotic and piss poor M16A2 style pistol grip, mine will be " right " sooner or later. You're right, you might just grow old and die waiting on the powered rail, then if it ever did come out you might just grow old and die again waiting on accessories that will work with it. I don't really like the A2 style grip but It doesn't ruin the whole rifle for me. I expect the first ones on GunBroker to go for $3500.00 or more. I will wait until around $1750.00 I hope. 
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Posted: 4/12/2014 11:56:00 PM EDT
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I expect them to hit the streets at under $1800.
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Posted: 4/13/2014 2:02:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I expect the first ones on GunBroker to go for $3500.00 or more. I will wait until around $1750.00 I hope. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I expect the first ones on GunBroker to go for $3500.00 or more. I will wait until around $1750.00 I hope. I'm going to try to hold out for $1700. But my will may weaken before then. 
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
I expect them to hit the streets at under $1800. From your keyboard to every Beretta dealer.......... |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 2:25:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
The powered rail actually doesn't interest me very much. The cost, limited selection of any early offerings in the add-on dept and possibility of the entire idea dying on the vine makes it a long term wait and see item IMO. You make some salient points. I still want the A3 HG, though. While I can live with the grip, I'll probably either take a grinder & dremmel to it or find someone local who can get rid of the index tab. I don't know why they didn't go with the ARX-A2 grip. 
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Posted: 4/13/2014 4:23:03 AM EDT
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I might have to pass on this one.
I really wanted one but I really do not see it being better than a SCAR 16s or a well made AR15. Max |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 10:21:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maxell27:
I might have to pass on this one. I really wanted one but I really do not see it being better than a SCAR 16s or a well made AR15. Max It better be better or I shouldn't have waited this long. I could have bought a SCAR a long time ago but held out for the ACR and when I saw how that turned out I spent my money on a Colt 6940 in June of 2009. So I have been waiting a long time to buy a new rifle.
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Posted: 4/13/2014 1:43:32 PM EDT
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Better ergonomics than the SCAR and AR, and much lighter than the Tavor.
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Posted: 4/13/2014 3:46:18 PM EDT
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I wish you could change out the grip
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:56:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cjwwd2:
I wish you could change out the grip Most of us do. Pretty sure it's the way it is for easier mfg. I did get to handle the .22 model, & the grip was std A2 okay, but still... In the back of my mind, I'm hoping that if the A3 changes migrate to the -100, that the index finger tab will do the do-do. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 8:20:31 PM EDT
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Beretta's Facebook page is saying it's ready to ship!
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Posted: 4/14/2014 8:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Beretta's Facebook page is saying it's ready to ship! Good, I have my LGS contacting wholesalers 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 8:32:48 PM EDT
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Disappointed that Beretta didn't incorporate QD swivel inserts...
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Posted: 4/14/2014 9:41:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LIONHART:
Disappointed that Beretta didn't incorporate QD swivel inserts... Without seeing pictures of the shipping model we don't know that they didn't. Though they probably didn't. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:22:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bullet_]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Without seeing pictures of the shipping model we don't know that they didn't. Though they probably didn't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By LIONHART:
Disappointed that Beretta didn't incorporate QD swivel inserts... Without seeing pictures of the shipping model we don't know that they didn't. Though they probably didn't. IIRC ( without digging through this and the thread on the Beretta forum ) they make QDs that attach to the loops. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:54:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
IIRC ( without digging through this and the thread on the Beretta forum ) they make QDs that attach to the loops. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By LIONHART:
Disappointed that Beretta didn't incorporate QD swivel inserts... Without seeing pictures of the shipping model we don't know that they didn't. Though they probably didn't. IIRC ( without digging through this and the thread on the Beretta forum ) they make QDs that attach to the loops. You are correct. I believe Rafe Bennett showed the QD attachments to someone at the Shot Show media day/range day shoot. My guess is that they will be selling them on their website. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 12:08:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Looks like over on the Beretta forum thread some are under the impression that the 60 to 90 days came and went and nothing happened.
Actually this might be Beretta's first time that they lived up to their 60 to 90 day timeline. Technically it is not even the 18th so they haven't run out of time just yet. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 2:40:47 PM EDT
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The switch from nitrided to chromed barrels is disappointing. I was excited about this rifle. Much less so now.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:08:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crazymoose:
The switch from nitrided to chromed barrels is disappointing. I was excited about this rifle. Much less so now. I'm just glad that they're not M4 profile. 
I'm pretty happy that it is a light weight profile with a 1/7 twist. Someone needs to ask someone working at the Beretta booth at the upcoming NRA show why they switched from nitride to chrome. I would like to know the answer to that. No one asked that question at the Shot Show which kind of surprised me. 
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:09:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: poorman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I'm just glad that they're not M4 profile.
I'm pretty happy that it is a light weight profile with a 1/7 twist. Someone needs to ask someone working at the Beretta booth at the upcoming NRA show why they switched from nitride to chrome. I would like to know the answer to that. No one asked that question at the Shot Show which kind of surprised me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By crazymoose:
The switch from nitrided to chromed barrels is disappointing. I was excited about this rifle. Much less so now. I'm just glad that they're not M4 profile.
I'm pretty happy that it is a light weight profile with a 1/7 twist. Someone needs to ask someone working at the Beretta booth at the upcoming NRA show why they switched from nitride to chrome. I would like to know the answer to that. No one asked that question at the Shot Show which kind of surprised me. I am sure it is due to cost. There are probably more CHF chromed blanks out there than nitrided. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poorman:
I am sure it is due to cost. There are probably more CHF chromed blanks out there than nitrided. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By crazymoose:
The switch from nitrided to chromed barrels is disappointing. I was excited about this rifle. Much less so now. I'm just glad that they're not M4 profile.
I'm pretty happy that it is a light weight profile with a 1/7 twist. Someone needs to ask someone working at the Beretta booth at the upcoming NRA show why they switched from nitride to chrome. I would like to know the answer to that. No one asked that question at the Shot Show which kind of surprised me. I am sure it is due to cost. There are probably more CHF chromed blanks out there than nitrided. Maybe, I didn't factor in outsourcing... I just assumed that Beretta was making all of the ARX barrels from scratch with their new hammer forging machine so they could make the internal dimensions for any finish they wanted to use. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:26:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Maybe, I didn't factor in outsourcing... I just assumed that Beretta was making all of the ARX barrels from scratch with their new hammer forging machine so they could make the internal dimensions for any finish they wanted to use. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By crazymoose:
The switch from nitrided to chromed barrels is disappointing. I was excited about this rifle. Much less so now. I'm just glad that they're not M4 profile.
I'm pretty happy that it is a light weight profile with a 1/7 twist. Someone needs to ask someone working at the Beretta booth at the upcoming NRA show why they switched from nitride to chrome. I would like to know the answer to that. No one asked that question at the Shot Show which kind of surprised me. I am sure it is due to cost. There are probably more CHF chromed blanks out there than nitrided. Maybe, I didn't factor in outsourcing... I just assumed that Beretta was making all of the ARX barrels from scratch with their new hammer forging machine so they could make the internal dimensions for any finish they wanted to use. Do they chrome before or after the CHF process? |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:58:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poorman:
Do they chrome before or after the CHF process? After. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 10:02:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poorman:
I am sure it is due to cost. There are probably more CHF chromed blanks out there than nitrided. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By crazymoose:
The switch from nitrided to chromed barrels is disappointing. I was excited about this rifle. Much less so now. I'm just glad that they're not M4 profile.
I'm pretty happy that it is a light weight profile with a 1/7 twist. Someone needs to ask someone working at the Beretta booth at the upcoming NRA show why they switched from nitride to chrome. I would like to know the answer to that. No one asked that question at the Shot Show which kind of surprised me. I am sure it is due to cost. There are probably more CHF chromed blanks out there than nitrided. There are no nitrided blanks. You dip the whole shebang after machining is done. The treatment gets the bore and the exterior. Done en masse, it is typically cheaper than chrome. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 10:32:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crazymoose:
There are no nitrided blanks. You dip the whole shebang after machining is done. The treatment gets the bore and the exterior. Done en masse, it is typically cheaper than chrome. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crazymoose:
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By crazymoose:
The switch from nitrided to chromed barrels is disappointing. I was excited about this rifle. Much less so now. I'm just glad that they're not M4 profile.
I'm pretty happy that it is a light weight profile with a 1/7 twist. Someone needs to ask someone working at the Beretta booth at the upcoming NRA show why they switched from nitride to chrome. I would like to know the answer to that. No one asked that question at the Shot Show which kind of surprised me. I am sure it is due to cost. There are probably more CHF chromed blanks out there than nitrided. There are no nitrided blanks. You dip the whole shebang after machining is done. The treatment gets the bore and the exterior. Done en masse, it is typically cheaper than chrome. Then it makes no sense why they changed it. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 11:28:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poorman:
Then it makes no sense why they changed it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By crazymoose:
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By crazymoose:
The switch from nitrided to chromed barrels is disappointing. I was excited about this rifle. Much less so now. I'm just glad that they're not M4 profile.
I'm pretty happy that it is a light weight profile with a 1/7 twist. Someone needs to ask someone working at the Beretta booth at the upcoming NRA show why they switched from nitride to chrome. I would like to know the answer to that. No one asked that question at the Shot Show which kind of surprised me. I am sure it is due to cost. There are probably more CHF chromed blanks out there than nitrided. There are no nitrided blanks. You dip the whole shebang after machining is done. The treatment gets the bore and the exterior. Done en masse, it is typically cheaper than chrome. Then it makes no sense why they changed it. The only thing I can think of is that most people know what a chrome lined barrel is but nitride not so much. So Beretta could possibly be using chrome as a selling point for the masses. Or maybe through Beretta's own testing they found something they didn't like about nitride. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 10:52:33 AM EDT
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Maybe Beretta learned from the ACR debacle. I remember some of the rampant panty-pissing going on around here because the ACR barrel was "only" nitrided, not chrome-plated.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:07:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ken_mays:
Maybe Beretta learned from the ACR debacle. I remember some of the rampant panty-pissing going on around here because the ACR barrel was "only" nitrided, not chrome-plated. Yep, I remember that. The masses are dumb but Beretta wants their money as well. There is just not enough money to be made off of educated buyers because they are so few in numbers. Though I don't really think the masses can tell the difference between one barrel and another most of the time. Usually they don't even know the difference between steel and aluminum. They also usually think that the anodized and phosphate finish on most quality firearms is paint, bluing or powder coat. 
With the price of this rifle though I don't think they are attracting the masses... If you could describe the gun buying masses with one word it is cheap. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:51:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Yep, I remember that. The masses are dumb but Beretta wants their money as well. There is just not enough money to be made off of educated buyers because they are so few in numbers. Though I don't really think the masses can tell the difference between one barrel and another most of the time. Usually they don't even know the difference between steel and aluminum. They also usually think that the anodized and phosphate finish on most quality firearms is paint, bluing or powder coat.
With the price of this rifle though I don't think they are attracting the masses... If you could describe the gun buying masses with one word it is cheap. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Maybe Beretta learned from the ACR debacle. I remember some of the rampant panty-pissing going on around here because the ACR barrel was "only" nitrided, not chrome-plated. Yep, I remember that. The masses are dumb but Beretta wants their money as well. There is just not enough money to be made off of educated buyers because they are so few in numbers. Though I don't really think the masses can tell the difference between one barrel and another most of the time. Usually they don't even know the difference between steel and aluminum. They also usually think that the anodized and phosphate finish on most quality firearms is paint, bluing or powder coat.
With the price of this rifle though I don't think they are attracting the masses... If you could describe the gun buying masses with one word it is cheap. Given the avg. cost of modern, new-prod long guns, $1500 isn't exactly expensive. In fact, its (suggested retail) price point is lower than just about anything else in its class. |
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