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N-PAP or O-PAP: Which one would you buy?
kaschi  [Member]
There seem to be an abundant supply of Yugo AKs at different distributors lately and I'd like to get one. So if you were buy a new Yugo AK, would you choose an N-PAP or an O-PAP and why? Having read through some of the threads regarding both, I seem to recall there being reliability issues early on. I'd like to think that distributors have ones in the pipeline at this point with all the bugs worked out of them. Do you think they would be good to go or am I worrying about nothing? Thanks!
WTex  [Member]
Consensus seems to be the Opap as it has original Yugo barrel. Unsure if the Npap does. Opap has heavier RPK receiver, Npap doesn't.
jollyroger1969  [Team Member]
O pap. Reasons stated above. Also the O pap has a double stack bolt, I don't know if all the N Paps do.
BlckM70  [Member]
I have both and the NPAP does have a Yugo barrel and a double stack bolt. I plan on getting the original wood furniture for it soon as I cant stand the black polymer stock.
WTex  [Member]
Having original (non US barrel) is the most important thing to me, if they both have it then there may not be much difference, get the cheapest.
BlahX3  [Member]
O-PAP's have the RPK trunnion and the receiver is thicker metal than the N-PAP, this does make O-PAP a bit heavier but I'm OK with that and I now own an OPAP.
I also like that I can put the Yugo night sights on the front sight.
YugoM76  [Member]
O PAP because of bulged receiver/trunnion and side rail
YugoM76  [Member]
Originally Posted By WTex:
Having original (non US barrel) is the most important thing to me, if they both have it then there may not be much difference, get the cheapest.


What about non original wood furniture
CPT1-285TH  [Team Member]
O-PAP
Hunt11  [Member]
My npap has a double stack bolt, and I like the thinner receiver. I don't think it matters unless you have a true FA M70. Plus I prefer the wood on the NPAP
kaschi  [Member]
Thanks for all the replies. You guys sure are making this decision hard! I had a feeling the O-PAP would get a lot of thumbs up.

In the meantime since I started this thread, I've done a little homework and from what I've read elsewhere (if what was written is true), new N-PAPs comes with a side mounted rail. That hopefully means also have the double stack bolt but that's just speculation on my part.

Personally, I like the looks of the thinner profile on the N-PAP's receiver so I will go that route if it does indeed come with the double stack bolt.

There are a lot of O-PAPs but I haven't seen any N-PAPs for sale. Any leads that way?

Thanks again!
Hunt11  [Member]
Npap a are higher in price, and the trick to finding one with a DS bolt is the serial number must be higher than 7000, that is when they started to come with DS bolts. It's no big deal if it doesn't have a DS bolt, as CAI will fix it for you.

Ps- avoid the synthetic npaps, the plastic is not that strong and will melt
mmajeeper  [Member]
From what I have read the O means original parts and the N means new parts. Don't know if anyone can confirm this or not. I have a O-Pap and love it. I like the thicker trunion.
Turbo6ta  [Member]
I don't know that much about the N-PAP, but here is some info on the O-PAP:


GuidoFL  [Member]
I have a N-PAP and the receiver wall thickness mics .059 and this is one heavy rifle ! The s/n number is in the 9000 series and the dust cover has the stupid heavy steel rail on it. The workmanship is first class thru out . My understanding is that the N stands for New and the O for Original ?
Hunt11  [Member]
Originally Posted By GuidoFL:
I have a N-PAP and the receiver wall thickness mics .059 and this is one heavy rifle ! The s/n number is in the 9000 series and the dust cover has the stupid heavy steel rail on it. The workmanship is first class thru out . My understanding is that the N stands for New and the O for Original ?


I have heard this but haven't seen confirmation from the manufacturer or importer. The 1st series of these rifles were just "PAP". Anyways, I agree the steel side rail is dumb...when I first got it, it was a PITA to get all the shit and cosmoline out of it because of all the slim spots.
CitizenSoldier556  [Member]
Originally Posted By GuidoFL:
I have a N-PAP and the receiver wall thickness mics .059 and this is one heavy rifle ! The s/n number is in the 9000 series and the dust cover has the stupid heavy steel rail on it. The workmanship is first class thru out . My understanding is that the N stands for New and the O for Original ?


Yes the N stands for new and the O means original but this is misleading because both rifles are new. The O-PAP comes with surplus wood but the rest of the rifle is all new. The N-PAP comes with new wood.
Turbo6ta  [Member]
BTW .... "PAP" means:

"Polu Automatska Puska" (Semi Automatic Rifle)
anginaprinzmetal  [Member]
Originally Posted By Hunt11:
Npap a are higher in price, and the trick to finding one with a DS bolt is the serial number must be higher than 7000, that is when they started to come with DS bolts. It's no big deal if it doesn't have a DS bolt, as CAI will fix it for you.

Ps- avoid the synthetic npaps, the plastic is not that strong and will melt



Not sure this is entirely accurate.
My N-PAP has a serial in the 6000s, side rail (not on dust cover), thick receiver, double stack bolt, no feeding issues and the conversion was done properly. Have >200 rounds without any issues. Just my $.02
Hunt11  [Member]
Originally Posted By anginaprinzmetal:
Originally Posted By Hunt11:
Npap a are higher in price, and the trick to finding one with a DS bolt is the serial number must be higher than 7000, that is when they started to come with DS bolts. It's no big deal if it doesn't have a DS bolt, as CAI will fix it for you.

Ps- avoid the synthetic npaps, the plastic is not that strong and will melt



Not sure this is entirely accurate.
My N-PAP has a serial in the 6000s, side rail (not on dust cover), thick receiver, double stack bolt, no feeding issues and the conversion was done properly. Have >200 rounds without any issues. Just my $.02


You're right, my original statement was probably off, but I can say with confidence lower range serial number npaps do not come with aforementioned features.