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Posted: 10/25/2014 8:24:23 PM EDT
What is a good precision shooting trigger for an AR?
Link Posted: 10/25/2014 8:54:20 PM EDT
[#1]
Geissele SSA-E.
Link Posted: 10/26/2014 12:16:10 AM EDT
[#2]
^^^^  Yep.
Link Posted: 10/26/2014 1:17:48 AM EDT
[#3]
Welp, nothing to do here but agree with the guys above.

Others to consider: Timney, CMC and Black Rain Ordnance.

I own all 4 (including SSA) and was very surprised by the Black Rain. Very nice trigger.

But the SSA is in a class of its own.
Link Posted: 10/26/2014 4:07:13 AM EDT
[#4]
Not to hijack but I'm thinking of the Black Rain trigger. Can you elaborate on your comments?

Thanks
Link Posted: 10/26/2014 2:31:23 PM EDT
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I'll chime in in support of the Geissele SSA-E, and the reasons I went with it.  First, it's exceptionally smooth and crisp.  Geissele describes the letoff as "candy cane-like break" and it does feel like a distinct and very sharp "snap" to me.  The assembly comes from Geissele, and has some very elaborate and detailed QC applied to each and every part.  It's an awesome trigger and it makes a definite difference in how I shoot the rifle I installed it in.

I think the last poster is talking about Black Rain's DIT trigger.  It's a drop-in, single stage trigger with a specified 3.5 pound pull.  Since it's a single-stage unit, a lot of people will say "it's not a precision trigger," but that's not the reason I'd still go with Geissele.  I would still go with Geissele because of their really solid track record and incredibly good customer service.  I met Bill Geissele at the NRA convention in Houston (two years ago), and he struck me as being very interested in EVERY customer's experience with whatever product you bought from him.  Not to say anything bad about Black Rain, but I don't see how they could match that.

I got mine for less than $200 shipped, and when they're in stock you can find them for $179 (plus shipping) from Primary Arms, Trading Places Pawn, Ammo Gals, and other vendors.
Link Posted: 10/26/2014 6:04:33 PM EDT
[#6]
Hiperfire

New technology, super feel, crisp break and fast reset.
V
Link Posted: 10/27/2014 8:45:30 AM EDT
[#7]
The Hyperfires may be OK, but the SSA and SSA-E definitely are.
The SSA is proven to be reliable with military spec ammo and has a long service life.
Also on general principle I like the fewer parts aspect of the SSA vs the Hyperfire for SD/duty weapons.
Link Posted: 10/27/2014 10:10:43 AM EDT
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The Hyperfires may be OK, but the SSA and SSA-E definitely are.
The SSA is proven to be reliable with military spec ammo and has a long service life.
Also on general principle I like the fewer parts aspect of the SSA vs the Hyperfire for SD/duty weapons.
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I agree, less parts is good.  However mroe parts do not make something less reliable.  These triggers have been tested to death, and still work just fine, even in suppressed weapons where trigger groups tend to get filthy.  The hardened primers from mil-spec ammo are not an issue with these triggers as the trigger doesnt use a typical setup to drive the hammer.  It can hit the primers alot harder, without increasing the pull on the trigger.

I own an SSA-E.  Its a great trigger.  That being said, next gun I put together with likely have a Hiperfire in it.
Link Posted: 10/27/2014 11:48:53 AM EDT
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I would say more parts do not necessarily make something less reliable, but in a SD/duty weapon I would not even consider adopting a FCG with more parts unless it was significantly better than what I was using.
In my personal view the Hyperfire FCG does not currently fall into the “tested to death” category.
I think a friend has talked himself into getting one so at some point I should get an opportunity to do some side by side comparisons with a SSA and a SSA-E.
Link Posted: 10/27/2014 12:43:25 PM EDT
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Geissele SSA-E.
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Link Posted: 10/27/2014 12:58:27 PM EDT
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Great thread. Great comments. Great responses. Thank you guys for the feedback. I'm getting ready to build a 9 mm SBR and a long reach out and touch something rifle. Will definitely be relying on some responses ere wh making my decisions. Any run and gun triggers of choice?
Link Posted: 10/27/2014 3:44:41 PM EDT
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I would say more parts do not necessarily make something less reliable, but in a SD/duty weapon I would not even consider adopting a FCG with more parts unless it was significantly better than what I was using.
In my personal view the Hyperfire FCG does not currently fall into the “tested to death” category.
I think a friend has talked himself into getting one so at some point I should get an opportunity to do some side by side comparisons with a SSA and a SSA-E.
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OK "tested to death" might be a bit excessive  :)

However, how many shots do you need to test on something to deem that it is good to go?  1000, 5000, 10000?  I would imagine any engineer will test the components 10000 shots to determine if the design will hold up.  Not doing so would be ignorant.
Link Posted: 10/27/2014 7:58:15 PM EDT
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There seems to be a lot of negativity when it comes to Hiperfire in this forum, mainly from people who have never owned one. I have had various super triggers over the years, all have performed admirably as has the Hiperfire. If you have not tried one dont knock it.

V
Link Posted: 10/27/2014 9:01:48 PM EDT
[#14]
i only have experience with the ssa-e and it is a huge upgrade over the psa triggers i have in all my builds.
Link Posted: 10/29/2014 8:02:11 AM EDT
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OK "tested to death" might be a bit excessive  :)

However, how many shots do you need to test on something to deem that it is good to go?  1000, 5000, 10000?  I would imagine any engineer will test the components 10000 shots to determine if the design will hold up.  Not doing so would be ignorant.
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I would say more parts do not necessarily make something less reliable, but in a SD/duty weapon I would not even consider adopting a FCG with more parts unless it was significantly better than what I was using.
In my personal view the Hyperfire FCG does not currently fall into the “tested to death” category.
I think a friend has talked himself into getting one so at some point I should get an opportunity to do some side by side comparisons with a SSA and a SSA-E.


OK "tested to death" might be a bit excessive  :)

However, how many shots do you need to test on something to deem that it is good to go?  1000, 5000, 10000?  I would imagine any engineer will test the components 10000 shots to determine if the design will hold up.  Not doing so would be ignorant.

I have a lot different standards between trying something new out in my varmint rifle or range only rifle and trying it in a SD/duty weapon.
I don’t think it is as simple as number of rounds although that is a factor.

I don’t know if it was ignorance or what, but the RRA 2 stage FCG’s had a bad reputation for problems within a few k rounds not so long ago.
Presumably they did some kind of internal testing before putting them into production.
There is no telling how many they have sold because of price and the reputation of their business.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 8:54:46 AM EDT
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 An excellent choice for a non-adjustable 2 stage trigger.  With JP "yellow" springs, mine has a letoff weight of about 2.5 lbs, very nice, durable and foolproof.  However, the ne plus ultra of this type is the Geissele Hi-Speed Match trigger, same as the SSA-E but fully adjustable. - CW
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 2:22:41 PM EDT
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that hyperfire looks a little like the M1 trigger group that is in my Garand.
Link Posted: 10/31/2014 10:39:54 PM EDT
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I have a lot different standards between trying something new out in my varmint rifle or range only rifle and trying it in a SD/duty weapon.
I don’t think it is as simple as number of rounds although that is a factor.

I don’t know if it was ignorance or what, but the RRA 2 stage FCG’s had a bad reputation for problems within a few k rounds not so long ago.
Presumably they did some kind of internal testing before putting them into production.
There is no telling how many they have sold because of price and the reputation of their business.
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I would say more parts do not necessarily make something less reliable, but in a SD/duty weapon I would not even consider adopting a FCG with more parts unless it was significantly better than what I was using.
In my personal view the Hyperfire FCG does not currently fall into the “tested to death” category.
I think a friend has talked himself into getting one so at some point I should get an opportunity to do some side by side comparisons with a SSA and a SSA-E.


OK "tested to death" might be a bit excessive  :)

However, how many shots do you need to test on something to deem that it is good to go?  1000, 5000, 10000?  I would imagine any engineer will test the components 10000 shots to determine if the design will hold up.  Not doing so would be ignorant.

I have a lot different standards between trying something new out in my varmint rifle or range only rifle and trying it in a SD/duty weapon.
I don’t think it is as simple as number of rounds although that is a factor.

I don’t know if it was ignorance or what, but the RRA 2 stage FCG’s had a bad reputation for problems within a few k rounds not so long ago.
Presumably they did some kind of internal testing before putting them into production.
There is no telling how many they have sold because of price and the reputation of their business.


What PFC said.
Most people consider a "precision" trigger to be some version of a 2 stage trigger, with the adjustable part considered to be important , especially in bench, competition or possibly varmint shooting.  I have a RRA 2 stage with several thousand rounds on it with zero problems that I have used in a number of courses without issues.  It used to be that the RRA 2 stage was one of the few affordable 2 stage options, but now there are others including Geiselle, Timney, JP and others.  

FWIW, I really like the ALG ACT single stage as a very manageable single stage.  It's not "precision" but most of my shooting is within 50 meters and not precision.  The ACT is a significant step up from the standard mil spec single stage trigger.
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