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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:54:06 AM EDT
Is it possible? The reason i ask, is that I've run accross a barrel (at a great price) brand new for $140.00. It's a M4 contour barrel at 10.5" in 4140 Chrome Moly steel. M4 feed ramps and a TRUE 5.56 NATO chamber....so all in all a great looking barrel and at a STEAL of a price....however its not chrome lined...barrel or chamber. is it possible to have done, and if so whats a median cost? thanks guys!
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:10:07 AM EDT
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It would probably be cheaper to have a CL barrel cut/crown/thread to your desired length.

ETA: What's a FAKE 5.56 NATO chamber?
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:15:29 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:16:56 AM EDT
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possibly so, but thats what im trying to avoid. the price of this barrel is what makes it appealing. ive got a few Spikes and BCM barrels that i love and that are proven to be shooters by countless people, but with this barrel being 100 bucks cheaper, i thought i might give it a shot if its possible to have it chrome lined for under that 100 dollar difference. might be more headache than its worth?

a FAKE 5.56 chamber is exactly that. alot of manufacturers will claim that a chamber is a NATO 5.56 when its actually chambered in .223 Rem or .223 Wylde
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:17:53 AM EDT
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yeah sorry, just didnt know which area this topic would be more appropriate.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:21:01 AM EDT
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possibly so, but thats what im trying to avoid. the price of this barrel is what makes it appealing. ive got a few Spikes and BCM barrels that i love and that are proven to be shooters by countless people, but with this barrel being 100 bucks cheaper, i thought i might give it a shot if its possible to have it chrome lined for under that 100 dollar difference. might be more headache than its worth?





a FAKE 5.56 chamber is exactly that. alot of manufacturers will claim that a chamber is a NATO 5.56 when its actually chambered in .223 Rem or .223 Wylde
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I see nothing appealing about a $140 barrel especially when you're use to Spikes or BCM quality.







Never seen one instance of where someone claimed their .223 chamber was a NATO chamber

 
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Never seen one instance of where someone claimed their .223 chamber was a NATO chamber
 
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possibly so, but thats what im trying to avoid. the price of this barrel is what makes it appealing. ive got a few Spikes and BCM barrels that i love and that are proven to be shooters by countless people, but with this barrel being 100 bucks cheaper, i thought i might give it a shot if its possible to have it chrome lined for under that 100 dollar difference. might be more headache than its worth?

a FAKE 5.56 chamber is exactly that. alot of manufacturers will claim that a chamber is a NATO 5.56 when its actually chambered in .223 Rem or .223 Wylde

  I see nothing appealing about a $140 barrel especially when you're use to Spikes or BCM quality.

Never seen one instance of where someone claimed their .223 chamber was a NATO chamber
 



Well look at mister 'I shoot Noveske', i see something appealing about a 140$ barrel, it's called an extra 70$ in my pocket.

as for actually ANSWERING this kids question,

http://robarguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Robar-Price-list-January-29-2014.pdf

this is the price list of Robar, a very reputable custom firearm shop in Phoenix, if they don't chrome line a barrel, I don't know who will.

but, why do you need it chrome lined? if you're that worried the life of the bore get it np3'd
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:38:28 AM EDT
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well whats appealing is the fact that the barrel IS $140 bucks. as is proven by all avenues of industry price does not always equal quality and vice-versa. so, all things being equal, a barrel made out of the same raw steel blank with the same features but with a different name stamped on them does not make one superior to the other. though i do realize that, in this instance, this is not the case as the features of the two barrels are not congruent as the $140 barrel is not CL, hence the reason for the post. Thats all i was trying to determine, 1st is it possible to have it done, 2nd-is it possible to have it done cheap enough to make it advantageous to do so.

as far as the chambering, this is obviously not something that they companies would advertise and you, as the end user, would not notice either unless you pulled out a chamber mic, which i venture to say you havent done, not trying to be arguementative in the least, just pointing out that without doing so (or without a barrel blowing up due to overpressure) you'd never notice the difference.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:40:16 AM EDT
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Take a look at this barrel.It's made from 4150 steel instead of 4140, Melonited which many claim in just as durable as chrome lined, made from  Douglass blank, and only $59 more than the bargain barrel.

ETA since chrome is a coating, wouldn't lining the chamber with it leave you with a chamber that's too small?
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:40:39 AM EDT
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Well look at mister 'I shoot Noveske', i see something appealing about a 140$ barrel, it's called an extra 70$ in my pocket.

as for actually ANSWERING this kids question,

http://robarguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Robar-Price-list-January-29-2014.pdf

this is the price list of Robar, a very reputable custom firearm shop in Phoenix, if they don't chrome line a barrel, I don't know who will.

but, why do you need it chrome lined? if you're that worried the life of the bore get it np3'd


thats what the appealing factor in this was for me as well, having another 70-120 bucks in my pocket goes along way to completing an otherwise incomplete gun.
thank you very much for the info, i truly appreciate you taking the time to respond to the post, ill check with them to see if they think its do-able. again, thanks for the input.
a good point on the np3, i may look into that as well. the only reason for the chrome lining, would be for extended barrel life, less faouling, etc, but all of which could be prevented with the np3 as you suggested. thanks for that!
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:44:40 AM EDT
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Take a look at this barrel.It's made from 4150 steel instead of 4140, Melonited which many claim in just as durable as chrome lined, made from  Douglass blank, and only $59 more than the bargain barrel.

ETA since chrome is a coating, wouldn't lining the chamber with it leave you with a chamber that's too small?
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wow! thats a great price, the only problem is that I'm needing a 10.5" barrel, but thanks for the link and taking the time to asnwer.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:46:44 AM EDT
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Well look at mister 'I shoot Noveske', i see something appealing about a 140$ barrel, it's called an extra 70$ in my pocket.





as for actually ANSWERING this kids question,





http://robarguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Robar-Price-list-January-29-2014.pdf





this is the price list of Robar, a very reputable custom firearm shop in Phoenix, if they don't chrome line a barrel, I don't know who will.





but, why do you need it chrome lined? if you're that worried the life of the bore get it np3'd
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possibly so, but thats what im trying to avoid. the price of this barrel is what makes it appealing. ive got a few Spikes and BCM barrels that i love and that are proven to be shooters by countless people, but with this barrel being 100 bucks cheaper, i thought i might give it a shot if its possible to have it chrome lined for under that 100 dollar difference. might be more headache than its worth?





a FAKE 5.56 chamber is exactly that. alot of manufacturers will claim that a chamber is a NATO 5.56 when its actually chambered in .223 Rem or .223 Wylde



  I see nothing appealing about a $140 barrel especially when you're use to Spikes or BCM quality.





Never seen one instance of where someone claimed their .223 chamber was a NATO chamber


 

Well look at mister 'I shoot Noveske', i see something appealing about a 140$ barrel, it's called an extra 70$ in my pocket.





as for actually ANSWERING this kids question,





http://robarguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Robar-Price-list-January-29-2014.pdf





this is the price list of Robar, a very reputable custom firearm shop in Phoenix, if they don't chrome line a barrel, I don't know who will.





but, why do you need it chrome lined? if you're that worried the life of the bore get it np3'd





 

OK heres an actual answer which may be aggreable to your standards Mr. previously banned member:







No you cannot chrome line a barrel which was completed and finished as a non-chrome lined barrel. Chrome lining is think enough to restrict the innerdimensions of the bore, increasing pressure and blowing the fucking barrel up in the gun since it would no longer be .224







And yes I do shoot Noveskes as well as Daniel Defense, LWRC's, Colt and FN.

 
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 10:54:02 AM EDT
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  OK heres an actual answer which may be aggreable to your standards Mr. previously banned member:

No you cannot chrome line a barrel which was completed and finished as a non-chrome lined barrel. Chrome lining is think enough to restrict the innerdimensions of the bore, increasing pressure and blowing the fucking barrel up in the gun since it would no longer be .224

And yes I do shoot Noveskes as well as Daniel Defense, LWRC's, Colt and FN.
 
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possibly so, but thats what im trying to avoid. the price of this barrel is what makes it appealing. ive got a few Spikes and BCM barrels that i love and that are proven to be shooters by countless people, but with this barrel being 100 bucks cheaper, i thought i might give it a shot if its possible to have it chrome lined for under that 100 dollar difference. might be more headache than its worth?

a FAKE 5.56 chamber is exactly that. alot of manufacturers will claim that a chamber is a NATO 5.56 when its actually chambered in .223 Rem or .223 Wylde

  I see nothing appealing about a $140 barrel especially when you're use to Spikes or BCM quality.

Never seen one instance of where someone claimed their .223 chamber was a NATO chamber
 

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Well look at mister 'I shoot Noveske', i see something appealing about a 140$ barrel, it's called an extra 70$ in my pocket.

as for actually ANSWERING this kids question,

http://robarguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Robar-Price-list-January-29-2014.pdf

this is the price list of Robar, a very reputable custom firearm shop in Phoenix, if they don't chrome line a barrel, I don't know who will.

but, why do you need it chrome lined? if you're that worried the life of the bore get it np3'd

  OK heres an actual answer which may be aggreable to your standards Mr. previously banned member:

No you cannot chrome line a barrel which was completed and finished as a non-chrome lined barrel. Chrome lining is think enough to restrict the innerdimensions of the bore, increasing pressure and blowing the fucking barrel up in the gun since it would no longer be .224

And yes I do shoot Noveskes as well as Daniel Defense, LWRC's, Colt and FN.
 

thats a very good pont that i suppose i should have considered. makes perfect sense! thanks for the response. i guess i scrub that idea. nice! youve got some great toys in your collection! i need to hit that Powerball, thatll be the only way that Noveske will find a home in my safe.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 11:03:56 AM EDT
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previously banned? if i've been banned i must have been blacked out, because i don't remember that. all i'm saying is i don't see the reason to $#!t on someone trying to save money,

but now you're talking some sense.. never thought of the added layer of,, whatever you wanna coat it with.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 11:04:08 AM EDT
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thats a very good pont that i suppose i should have considered. makes perfect sense! thanks for the response. i guess i scrub that idea. nice! youve got some great toys in your collection! i need to hit that Powerball, thatll be the only way that Noveske will find a home in my safe.
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Lots of saving up and eating Ramen throughout college.




Just FYI, I wasn't snapping at you at all, angst was directed at the DirqDiggler character.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 11:05:38 AM EDT
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previously banned? if i've been banned i must have been blacked out, because i don't remember that. all i'm saying is i don't see the reason to $#!t on someone trying to save money,



but now you're talking some sense.. never thought of the added layer of,, whatever you wanna coat it with.

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I was in no way talking shit. OP has good quality stuff already and he would most likely be dissatisfied with going with something less than he already is use to
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 11:07:38 AM EDT
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know anything about voodoo barrels?
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Melonited. Supposedly good barrels and not much more than OP was looking at. Think they are around $200

 
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 12:04:20 PM EDT
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  OK heres an actual answer which may be aggreable to your standards Mr. previously banned member:

No you cannot chrome line a barrel which was completed and finished as a non-chrome lined barrel. Chrome lining is think enough to restrict the innerdimensions of the bore, increasing pressure and blowing the fucking barrel up in the gun since it would no longer be .224

And yes I do shoot Noveskes as well as Daniel Defense, LWRC's, Colt and FN.
 
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possibly so, but thats what im trying to avoid. the price of this barrel is what makes it appealing. ive got a few Spikes and BCM barrels that i love and that are proven to be shooters by countless people, but with this barrel being 100 bucks cheaper, i thought i might give it a shot if its possible to have it chrome lined for under that 100 dollar difference. might be more headache than its worth?

a FAKE 5.56 chamber is exactly that. alot of manufacturers will claim that a chamber is a NATO 5.56 when its actually chambered in .223 Rem or .223 Wylde

  I see nothing appealing about a $140 barrel especially when you're use to Spikes or BCM quality.

Never seen one instance of where someone claimed their .223 chamber was a NATO chamber
 



Well look at mister 'I shoot Noveske', i see something appealing about a 140$ barrel, it's called an extra 70$ in my pocket.

as for actually ANSWERING this kids question,

http://robarguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Robar-Price-list-January-29-2014.pdf

this is the price list of Robar, a very reputable custom firearm shop in Phoenix, if they don't chrome line a barrel, I don't know who will.

but, why do you need it chrome lined? if you're that worried the life of the bore get it np3'd

  OK heres an actual answer which may be aggreable to your standards Mr. previously banned member:

No you cannot chrome line a barrel which was completed and finished as a non-chrome lined barrel. Chrome lining is think enough to restrict the innerdimensions of the bore, increasing pressure and blowing the fucking barrel up in the gun since it would no longer be .224

And yes I do shoot Noveskes as well as Daniel Defense, LWRC's, Colt and FN.
 

^^^^^^^^
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I knew that was going to get a great response.  
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 6:21:50 PM EDT
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In my experience, chroming a barrel is a tricky enough task to master while retaining accuracy as it is.  It also reduces a considerable measure of diameter.  The ideal solution would involve much more cash than its worth when cost is the issue/attraction in the first place.



In other words, spend the dough and get an already-chromed barrel.







Link Posted: 4/15/2014 7:35:51 PM EDT
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the easy and obvious answer, which was mentioned above in this thread would be to have the barrel melonited
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 7:44:58 PM EDT
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Is it possible? The reason i ask, is that I've run accross a barrel (at a great price) brand new for $140.00. It's a M4 contour barrel at 10.5" in 4140 Chrome Moly steel. M4 feed ramps and a TRUE 5.56 NATO chamber....so all in all a great looking barrel and at a STEAL of a price....however its not chrome lined...barrel or chamber. is it possible to have done, and if so whats a median cost? thanks guys!
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Welcome to the board!  There are lots of ways to think about barrels, as I'm sure you are discovering.

Generalizations follow:

You will probably find that buying a chrome lined barrel in the first place is the way to go if you want a chrome lined barrel.  Chrome lining is great for long barrel life but not usually the first choice for the goal of accuracy.  But, a great compromise for longevity and accuracy.  Commonly used by .gov

Stainless steel is usually one of the best for both accuracy and longevity.  That is why many 3 gun shooters use SS barrels; they put lots of rounds downrange and want good accuracy with lots of barrel life.

Non chrome lined usually has the potential for good accuracy, depending on manufacturing quality, but barrel life is shorter.  Used for good accuracy in an economic barrel

Melonite is a hardened nitride layer on the barrel's surface, not a coating but a process that changes the surface layer's characteristics to be very hard.  I can not comment on accuracy beyond to say it is at least as good as chrome.  Me like melonite barrels.

There is nothing wrong with keeping your 4140 barrel and shooting it just the way it is. I do not hesitate to use a non chrome barrel if the price is right.  If it is good manufacture you should get good accuracy and about 10,000 round before noticeable degradation of accuracy, unless you are shooting match or don't clean your weapon.  You may want to just shoot it and then replace it when it is shot out.  Barrels wear out and are replaceable. Most AR owners never shoot enough to wear out a barrel.  Personally, I would spend the money on ammo trying to wear out the barrel!

There are some really smart and knowledgeable members on this list and I hope we hear from some of them.

Again, Welcome.
Link Posted: 4/15/2014 9:13:05 PM EDT
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Is it possible? The reason i ask, is that I've run accross a barrel (at a great price) brand new for $140.00. It's a M4 contour barrel at 10.5" in 4140 Chrome Moly steel. M4 feed ramps and a TRUE 5.56 NATO chamber....so all in all a great looking barrel and at a STEAL of a price....however its not chrome lined...barrel or chamber. is it possible to have done, and if so whats a median cost? thanks guys!
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What's the link to these 10.5  $140 barrels?
Link Posted: 4/16/2014 1:15:40 PM EDT
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Curiosity question, couldn't you possible flash chrome a barrel, no copper build up and no Nickel and have a .0001/.0002 depth?

Which makes the bore .0002/.0004 smaller, what are bullet tolerances?

Biggest issue i see is buying a "cheaper none chromed barrel" and spending $100+ lot charge to chrome it, waste of money especially if the plater doesn't have damn clue as to how to properly mask and chrome a barrel

People that do know how to do it would happily take your money and wonder why you didn't get one pre done

Shoot it and save up for another barrel.....hell its cheaper than a set of tires every 2 years or so
Link Posted: 4/17/2014 6:57:52 AM EDT
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Welcome to the board!  There are lots of ways to think about barrels, as I'm sure you are discovering.

Generalizations follow:

You will probably find that buying a chrome lined barrel in the first place is the way to go if you want a chrome lined barrel.  Chrome lining is great for long barrel life but not usually the first choice for the goal of accuracy.  But, a great compromise for longevity and accuracy.  Commonly used by .gov

Stainless steel is usually one of the best for both accuracy and longevity.  That is why many 3 gun shooters use SS barrels; they put lots of rounds downrange and want good accuracy with lots of barrel life.

Non chrome lined usually has the potential for good accuracy, depending on manufacturing quality, but barrel life is shorter.  Used for good accuracy in an economic barrel

Melonite is a hardened nitride layer on the barrel's surface, not a coating but a process that changes the surface layer's characteristics to be very hard.  I can not comment on accuracy beyond to say it is at least as good as chrome.  Me like melonite barrels.

There is nothing wrong with keeping your 4140 barrel and shooting it just the way it is. I do not hesitate to use a non chrome barrel if the price is right.  If it is good manufacture you should get good accuracy and about 10,000 round before noticeable degradation of accuracy, unless you are shooting match or don't clean your weapon.  You may want to just shoot it and then replace it when it is shot out.  Barrels wear out and are replaceable. Most AR owners never shoot enough to wear out a barrel.  Personally, I would spend the money on ammo trying to wear out the barrel!

There are some really smart and knowledgeable members on this list and I hope we hear from some of them.

Again, Welcome.
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Is it possible? The reason i ask, is that I've run accross a barrel (at a great price) brand new for $140.00. It's a M4 contour barrel at 10.5" in 4140 Chrome Moly steel. M4 feed ramps and a TRUE 5.56 NATO chamber....so all in all a great looking barrel and at a STEAL of a price....however its not chrome lined...barrel or chamber. is it possible to have done, and if so whats a median cost? thanks guys!


Welcome to the board!  There are lots of ways to think about barrels, as I'm sure you are discovering.

Generalizations follow:

You will probably find that buying a chrome lined barrel in the first place is the way to go if you want a chrome lined barrel.  Chrome lining is great for long barrel life but not usually the first choice for the goal of accuracy.  But, a great compromise for longevity and accuracy.  Commonly used by .gov

Stainless steel is usually one of the best for both accuracy and longevity.  That is why many 3 gun shooters use SS barrels; they put lots of rounds downrange and want good accuracy with lots of barrel life.

Non chrome lined usually has the potential for good accuracy, depending on manufacturing quality, but barrel life is shorter.  Used for good accuracy in an economic barrel

Melonite is a hardened nitride layer on the barrel's surface, not a coating but a process that changes the surface layer's characteristics to be very hard.  I can not comment on accuracy beyond to say it is at least as good as chrome.  Me like melonite barrels.

There is nothing wrong with keeping your 4140 barrel and shooting it just the way it is. I do not hesitate to use a non chrome barrel if the price is right.  If it is good manufacture you should get good accuracy and about 10,000 round before noticeable degradation of accuracy, unless you are shooting match or don't clean your weapon.  You may want to just shoot it and then replace it when it is shot out.  Barrels wear out and are replaceable. Most AR owners never shoot enough to wear out a barrel.  Personally, I would spend the money on ammo trying to wear out the barrel!

There are some really smart and knowledgeable members on this list and I hope we hear from some of them.

Again, Welcome.


thank you so much for the info, as well as the welcome. ive been looking at those VooDoo barrels, and they look pretty decent!
what about Wilson Combat SS barrels? i really want a barrel thats fit for hard duty use and, of course, acuracy is important, but as im going with an SBR set-up, i realize that with a short barrel im not going to get the accuracy, range, velocity as i would with a longer barrel, but PSA has a pretty good deal going on the Wilson SS barrels.
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What's the link to these 10.5  $140 barrels?
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Is it possible? The reason i ask, is that I've run accross a barrel (at a great price) brand new for $140.00. It's a M4 contour barrel at 10.5" in 4140 Chrome Moly steel. M4 feed ramps and a TRUE 5.56 NATO chamber....so all in all a great looking barrel and at a STEAL of a price....however its not chrome lined...barrel or chamber. is it possible to have done, and if so whats a median cost? thanks guys!


What's the link to these 10.5  $140 barrels?


they are available from MASDefense.com
Link Posted: 4/17/2014 6:59:05 AM EDT
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Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply, i really do appreciate the input from you all.
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