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Originally Posted By m6z:
What's the typical AR barrel threading for 45acp? 5/8x24 or .578x24? View Quote 5/8 x 24 is considered by many as standard.... .578 x 28 arose as it is all that will fit on a 1911 barrel... and in my opinion is too fine and results in too thin a barrel wall thickness for use on a carbine. |
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Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
5/8 x 24 is considered by many as standard.... .578 x 28 arose as it is all that will fit on a 1911 barrel... and in my opinion is too fine and results in too thin a barrel wall thickness for use on a carbine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
Originally Posted By m6z:
What's the typical AR barrel threading for 45acp? 5/8x24 or .578x24? 5/8 x 24 is considered by many as standard.... .578 x 28 arose as it is all that will fit on a 1911 barrel... and in my opinion is too fine and results in too thin a barrel wall thickness for use on a carbine. I called Thureon Defense and asked for their specs. They ended up putting them on their web site... .578x28 for their .45's. I asked if they could thread it to 5/8x24 but did not get a response. Looks like an excellent host for my jailed Octane 45. |
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.578x28 is the accepted threads for the 45. HK uses M16x1LH.
The only reason I use 5/8x24 unless specified is the availability fo flash hiders. |
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Ordering more matrial now...only had enough to make 20 on the initial test run and they are all going with uppers......should have it in Monday
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Thinking of selling my RMW 45 upper only fired a couple times have four mags and adapter
Really sweet toy but really eyeing up a 300 blk instead Let me know if anyone interested |
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Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
Ordering more matrial now...only had enough to make 20 on the initial test run and they are all going with uppers......should have it in Monday View Quote Cool! Can't wait to try one out! You ever give any thought to making a magwell block that would allow the use of 1911 magazines? Is such a thing even possible? |
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Originally Posted By DanWalker:
Cool! Can't wait to try one out! You ever give any thought to making a magwell block that would allow the use of 1911 magazines? Is such a thing even possible? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DanWalker:
Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
Ordering more matrial now...only had enough to make 20 on the initial test run and they are all going with uppers......should have it in Monday Cool! Can't wait to try one out! You ever give any thought to making a magwell block that would allow the use of 1911 magazines? Is such a thing even possible? It has been on my one of those things I'm gonna get around to one of these days list.... for a while.....I'll see if I can get off my dead ass and get-r-done |
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MAN! Sign me up for one of them too if you get something that works! The idea of magazine interchangeability between sidearm and long gun is a GOOD one!
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The GG mags are great! Plus there always seems to be a supply of them
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To all of ya'll with grease gun mag lowers......I have found a little secret that solves a LOT of issues , especially the dreaded bullet nose up in the top of the chamber.....look at your mag from the rear, and look at the primer......open the feed leps at the rear of the mag.....where you can see most of the primer in the u slot in the back of the mag where the original grease gun bolt passed through.................... when you can see most of the primer , a lot of issues will go away.........
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Originally Posted By colt933:
This right here! Ron had recommended that I open up the feed lips on the grease gun mags to be used with his upper and the CNC lower. But when I opened up the feed lips as he had instructed, I got lots and lots of FTF with the live round jammed in nose up stuck on the lip of the chamber. Apparently my CNC lower, even though I bought it from Ron, was different from those that he had used in the past. I did two things: 1. Return GG mag feed lips to their approximate 'not opened up' position. The round is supported by the feed lips until the last 1/10 of feed lip length. 2. Grind down ever so slightly and then polish the snot out of - the feed ramp in the barrel extension. Looking in through the ejection port hole, the round is pointed right at the chamber now. Before, it was pointed at the roof! My mags are blued GI. <a href="http://s623.photobucket.com/user/colt933/media/P1070766_zps4664364d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt311/colt933/P1070766_zps4664364d.jpg</a> <a href="http://s623.photobucket.com/user/colt933/media/P1070768_zps873f326a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt311/colt933/P1070768_zps873f326a.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By colt933:
Originally Posted By BillC3:
Originally Posted By ronaldmwilliams:
Originally Posted By TZAZ:
Who makes the lower in the photo that takes Grease gun mags, getting ready to pay for a Bazooka bros lower and this one looks good. Thanks Must be the CNC lower. The baz lower just needs the mag catch cut. The reason i prefer the Baz is I can set the mag a little higher in the lower for flawless feeding. I have put quite a few CNC lower builds together for customers & the feedlips will need to be opened up some so they feed right. With the mag up front in the magwell the rounds will need to release a little early for proper function. Well, just so you know, neither of my CNC lowers has any problem feeding with unmodified grease gun mags. Both run 100% with your uppers. This right here! Ron had recommended that I open up the feed lips on the grease gun mags to be used with his upper and the CNC lower. But when I opened up the feed lips as he had instructed, I got lots and lots of FTF with the live round jammed in nose up stuck on the lip of the chamber. Apparently my CNC lower, even though I bought it from Ron, was different from those that he had used in the past. I did two things: 1. Return GG mag feed lips to their approximate 'not opened up' position. The round is supported by the feed lips until the last 1/10 of feed lip length. 2. Grind down ever so slightly and then polish the snot out of - the feed ramp in the barrel extension. Looking in through the ejection port hole, the round is pointed right at the chamber now. Before, it was pointed at the roof! My mags are blued GI. <a href="http://s623.photobucket.com/user/colt933/media/P1070766_zps4664364d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt311/colt933/P1070766_zps4664364d.jpg</a> <a href="http://s623.photobucket.com/user/colt933/media/P1070768_zps873f326a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt311/colt933/P1070768_zps873f326a.jpg</a> Here is a pic of the mag fix. It is only a few degrees higher. |
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Ron, seriously....give it a try....I used to do the exact same fix.....opening up the back just a hair works wonders with a greater reliability level.
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Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
Ron, seriously....give it a try....I used to do the exact same fix.....opening up the back just a hair works wonders with a greater reliability level. View Quote I have & it does help but there is a point we are missing. The CNC lower states it uses mags that dont need to be modded but they DO. Feed lip mods & squeezing to fit. They can be a PITA to feed from. Now in this instance the gent lowered the center lug & may have removed all the suport. |
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Guess it is just how you look at it....if I can do it without a milling machine or special tools...I consider it adjusting..........Hell, I remember having to adjust Grease Gun mags to get 'em to run for our recovery vehicle crewmen in 1/10 Field Artillery so they could qualify with their M3A1 Grease Guns....
and with the feed lip geometry we are milling with repeatability on the Haas CNC mill................................ keepshooting.com mags are pretty much plug and play...... |
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Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
Guess it is just how you look at it....if I can do it without a milling machine or special tools...I consider it adjusting..........Hell, I remember having to adjust Grease Gun mags to get 'em to run for our recovery vehicle crewmen in 1/10 Field Artillery so they could qualify with their M3A1 Grease Guns.... and with the feed lip geometry we are milling with repeatability on the Haas CNC mill................................ keepshooting.com mags are pretty much plug and play...... View Quote In what lower? There is a gent on the CNC boards that has 6 KS mags & only one will fit in his lower i dont call that plug and play |
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And having to set a mag up on a milling machine and cut a consistent retention notch on a mag that is inconsistent by nature is.....???? It takes 2 seconds with a vice...or a c clamp or any similiar implement to solve the issue .....haven't seen that thread about the 6 mags but I'll check it out now....but if you talk to him.....tell him to contact me and I'll be happy to walk him through it...or if he wants to send 'em to me I'll adjust them for him at no charge...... I'm not debating systems with you Ron, on more that one occasion I have wished you well in your endeavours and even recommended you for builds that I don't do.....I am simply offering suggestions to the community at large.
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Keep shooting GG mags, new lower & old upper DI45
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Congrats...looks like a winner Ron...we just have different points of view....you don't mind setting up and milling the retention slot...and if you set up the way I do for the BAZ45 lower I have....then you squeeze them exactly as you would to square 'em for the CNC....
Glad to see your new lower running well....Here is one of mine on a standard lower with last round bolt hold open USC Magwell adaptor test |
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Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
Congrats...looks like a winner Ron...we just have different points of view....you don't mind setting up and milling the retention slot...and if you set up the way I do for the BAZ45 lower I have....then you squeeze them exactly as you would to square 'em for the CNC.... Glad to see your new lower running well....Here is one of mine on a standard lower with last round bolt hold open USC Magwell adaptor test View Quote I have a jig that holds them for me. No squeezing here My guess is you do somthing different. Setup, lock the jig in the mill & go. The cutting takes less than a minute. |
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Yep I have an insert that I put in the mag body and set 'em up in a vise...don't do enough to make a fixture...
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Ron, how does your magwell dimensions compare to the AR45 lowers? Might just be that Justin uses tight tolerances that requires the mag to be closer to square. I see the same issue with some AR15 lowers on the market that accept some mags drop free but not others.
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Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
Ron, how does your magwell dimensions compare to the AR45 lowers? Might just be that Justin uses tight tolerances that requires the mag to be closer to square. I see the same issue with some AR15 lowers on the market that accept some mags drop free but not others. View Quote I measured all the GG mags I could find. Measured the CNC lower magwell. Problem was obvious. Drew up a magwell & submited it my manufacturer. Demo was perfect. Its all in the details. |
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I pulled out ALL of my AR45 lowers yesterday and did some checking.....there is a problem with some of the latest production magwells. I checked mine from oldest to newest and the first 5 were fine as were the 80%'es I had in the safe...the last two 100%'s I bought I have the same problem....I fixed one with a dremel and cerokote .....and it works great...I called Justin and am shipping him the other one with a brand new Mag so he can formulate the corrective action. When the magwell was cut appearently either tool wear or one of the operators modifying with the program caused the radius on the back corners of the mag well to be too broad....simple to fix with a long reach 1/4 endmill or a small carbide ball and a die grinder.
Talked to Justin at lunch.....if anyone has an issue with a lower...shoot him an email and he will take care of it. If you are local to me swing by the shop and I'll help you out............... Rudy |
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Had the same problem on one I purchased. Used a file to square up the back corners.
Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
I pulled out ALL of my AR45 lowers yesterday and did some checking.....there is a problem with some of the latest production magwells. I checked mine from oldest to newest and the first 5 were fine as were the 80%'es I had in the safe...the last two 100%'s I bought I have the same problem....I fixed one with a dremel and cerokote .....and it works great...I called Justin and am shipping him the other one with a brand new Mag so he can formulate the corrective action. When the magwell was cut appearently either tool wear or one of the operators modifying with the program caused the radius on the back corners of the mag well to be too broad....simple to fix with a long reach 1/4 endmill or a small carbide ball and a die grinder. Talked to Justin at lunch.....if anyone has an issue with a lower...shoot him an email and he will take care of it. If you are local to me swing by the shop and I'll help you out............... Rudy View Quote |
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It happens to all of us....Justin is now aware of the problem.....and if anyone has one shoot him an email and he will take care of it .....
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Lets bump this just because it's been a while. I'm starting back on the project of mine, just getting a few more programs added and the kinks worked out. Also working on magazine extensions for XD mags. Might even start on a dedicated lower and/or mags of sorts.
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I purchased one of the CNC a few months ago. I don't know when I will finish building it due to two other builds ahead of it. Now I figure I should get some mags and try the receiver. What are the best trouble free and best fit magazines, what make are they?
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Originally Posted By bcso:
I purchased one of the CNC a few months ago. I don't know when I will finish building it due to two other builds ahead of it. Now I figure I should get some mags and try the receiver. What are the best trouble free and best fit magazines, what make are they? Thanks. View Quote I dont know of any perticular mag that fits trouble free. I would stay away from the keep shooting because they seem to cause the most trouble with that lower. Just order some surplus & if they dont fit give them a gentle squeeze to fit. You just want to square them up. |
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I have found that the ones that fit trouble free in the CNC lower are the original blued M3 mags.
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I really haven't had any problems with the Keep shooting mags ....I have a couple of dozen and while yes, they do need adjustment about 50% of the time....it is a has been a very simple tweak for me.....
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Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
Not all GG mags need to be squeezed to fit the CNC lower. USGI mags usually fit without squaring the mags but the Keep Shooting mags seem to require a little more squaring of the mags. Takes less than a minute if needed. It's a non-issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
Not all GG mags need to be squeezed to fit the CNC lower. USGI mags usually fit without squaring the mags but the Keep Shooting mags seem to require a little more squaring of the mags. Takes less than a minute if needed. It's a non-issue. Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
I really haven't had any problems with the Keep shooting mags ....I have a couple of dozen and while yes, they do need adjustment about 50% of the time....it is a has been a very simple tweak for me..... I guess it was tango that was having this issue. Oh & this guy CNC lower/Keep shooting mags |
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Hmmmmmmmm I just had Gary send me his mags ...I adjusted them for him and he's running fine....with so many conflicting solutions online....it is understandable that someone might have problems.
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Yes, Rudy (Mad Machinist) helped me out bc I wasnt surw if it was the magazines or the micro-slick coating I had done on the bcg.
Rudy got me squared away with the mags and checked over my upper and has everything working smooth and reliable. I did end up buying 3 USGI mags but hadnt tested them out yet other than putting them in the reciever after cleaning all that greese off of them and making a small squeese to get them to fit a little better. I ended up throwing 3 of the 6 Keepshooting mags away.. but that maybe bc I bent them too much. I would like to thank Rudy publicly for always answering all my questions in regard to the AR45 endeavor. He has alwas answered my emails and phone calls promptly since before I decieded to have him build it and all the way until now. He has been following up with me after the build and its running great. Im also enjoying my first suppressor with it now as well. What a feeling! ;-) Next is exploring the whole .45 Super territory. .. hahha |
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My bad. It did sound like an issue with KS mags/CNC lowers. I personaly have not had any fit issues with the KS mags in my lowers I have had a couple with weak springs not keeping up with my upper
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.45 Super is outstanding in the AR45 platform. I'm shooting 185gr that runs 1100fps in a 5" barrel. Not sure what the the velocity is in a 10-16" barrel, but it barks. Definitely changes from a pop pop to a boom boom.
I even built one for .45 GAP a few years back. .45 GAP is loaded to .45ACP +P levels and can be fired from Sten mags with the feed lips opened a little. Great conversion for a 9mm setup using Sten mags. I used a Thompson SMG barrel and had a local machine shop trim a little off the breach end before attaching the barrel extension. Ran like a raped ape. Sten mags hold 15-17 rounds of .45 GAP. Buffalo Bore Ammo has .45 Super in stock. |
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I'm sure it's been covered....
PPS-43 35 round mags for 45acp? Works? Doesn't work? |
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Ron or even Mad Machinist have either regarding a person any encounter producing a .45 DI upper having an adjustible gas obstruct for your purpose of the .45 SUPER in which would certainly furthermore cycle together with std acp? Will be there a necessity for the adj prevent? Now i'm merely tjinking from the SUPER with regard to hunting and also varmint use as well as the acp for practice/plinking together with total reliability.
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Originally Posted By m6z:
I'm sure it's been covered.... PPS-43 35 round mags for 45acp? Works? Doesn't work? View Quote I've done it......but wasn't satisfied with the reliability vs. capacity ....combined with the tinkering to make it run it just wasn't viable in my opinion. Basically it is a mag designed for a tapered case trying to feed a straight walled cartridge. |
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Originally Posted By jamesi:
Ron or even Mad Machinist have either regarding a person any encounter producing a .45 DI upper having an adjustible gas obstruct for your purpose of the .45 SUPER in which would certainly furthermore cycle together with std acp? Will be there a necessity for the adj prevent? Now i'm merely tjinking from the SUPER with regard to hunting and also varmint use as well as the acp for practice/plinking together with total reliability. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jamesi:
Ron or even Mad Machinist have either regarding a person any encounter producing a .45 DI upper having an adjustible gas obstruct for your purpose of the .45 SUPER in which would certainly furthermore cycle together with std acp? Will be there a necessity for the adj prevent? Now i'm merely tjinking from the SUPER with regard to hunting and also varmint use as well as the acp for practice/plinking together with total reliability. Its possible but the port is in a different position for each. For those looking for more punch i suggest the 460Rowland but I see what your thinking. Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
Originally Posted By m6z:
I'm sure it's been covered.... PPS-43 35 round mags for 45acp? Works? Doesn't work? I've done it......but wasn't satisfied with the reliability vs. capacity ....combined with the tinkering to make it run it just wasn't viable in my opinion. Basically it is a mag designed for a tapered case trying to feed a straight walled cartridge. I have done it & they work. You can only run 15rnds reliably. Alot cheaper than other mag options out there |
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That helps make the lacking in the photo which takes Oil weapon journals, getting ready to pay for the Bazooka bros reduce and also this 1 looks excellent. Thanks
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Haven't read through the whole thread, but are any of the .45 mag well adapters drop-in for a regular lower? I would
love the option to slap a .45 upper on an existing SBR without the expense of having to get a dedicated lower SBRed... |
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Originally Posted By TheMountaineer:
Haven't read through the whole thread, but are any of the .45 mag well adapters drop-in for a regular lower? I would love the option to slap a .45 upper on an existing SBR without the expense of having to get a dedicated lower SBRed... View Quote The .45 ACP in a double-column magazine will not fit into the AR-15 magazine well. You would have to use an UZI .45 magazine which is 16 rounds, IIRC. I suppose it is possible to use an AR-10 lower, but that would be a massive gun. Just buy an Thureon Defense Glock-mag gun. |
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Originally Posted By BadgerArms:
The .45 ACP in a double-column magazine will not fit into the AR-15 magazine well. You would have to use an UZI .45 magazine which is 16 rounds, IIRC. I suppose it is possible to use an AR-10 lower, but that would be a massive gun. Just buy an Thureon Defense Glock-mag gun. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BadgerArms:
Originally Posted By TheMountaineer:
Haven't read through the whole thread, but are any of the .45 mag well adapters drop-in for a regular lower? I would love the option to slap a .45 upper on an existing SBR without the expense of having to get a dedicated lower SBRed... The .45 ACP in a double-column magazine will not fit into the AR-15 magazine well. You would have to use an UZI .45 magazine which is 16 rounds, IIRC. I suppose it is possible to use an AR-10 lower, but that would be a massive gun. Just buy an Thureon Defense Glock-mag gun. I think you missed the part where I said I want to use it with an existing SBR I'm not looking to buy a whole new rifle or SBR another lower - I've got enough projects already sucking the bills from my wallet I know of Rudy's USC block, but is it drop-in/easy-out requiring no mod to the lower? |
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Originally Posted By TheMountaineer:
I think you missed the part where I said I want to use it with an existing SBR I'm not looking to buy a whole new rifle or SBR another lower - I've got enough projects already sucking the bills from my wallet I know of Rudy's USC block, but is it drop-in/easy-out requiring no mod to the lower? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheMountaineer:
Originally Posted By BadgerArms:
Originally Posted By TheMountaineer:
Haven't read through the whole thread, but are any of the .45 mag well adapters drop-in for a regular lower? I would love the option to slap a .45 upper on an existing SBR without the expense of having to get a dedicated lower SBRed... The .45 ACP in a double-column magazine will not fit into the AR-15 magazine well. You would have to use an UZI .45 magazine which is 16 rounds, IIRC. I suppose it is possible to use an AR-10 lower, but that would be a massive gun. Just buy an Thureon Defense Glock-mag gun. I think you missed the part where I said I want to use it with an existing SBR I'm not looking to buy a whole new rifle or SBR another lower - I've got enough projects already sucking the bills from my wallet I know of Rudy's USC block, but is it drop-in/easy-out requiring no mod to the lower? I didn't miss it. I'm saying that even with the tax, trying to get your SBR to work with single-column low-cap magazines is going to be just as or more expensive than getting another SBR set up to already take common, cheap magazines.,,, and you'll also have TWO SBR's in the end. |
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Originally Posted By BadgerArms:
I didn't miss it. I'm saying that even with the tax, trying to get your SBR to work with single-column low-cap magazines is going to be just as or more expensive than getting another SBR set up to already take common, cheap magazines.,,, and you'll also have TWO SBR's in the end. Gotcha. You might be right. I may in the long run do that. I've got a precision rifle project that's going to consume most of my gun funds for the foreseeable future anyway, so I have plenty of time to decide on this Ron, if you're listening, do you give the option of having the lower of a complete build engraved w/ trust/city/state for future SBRing? |
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