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Posted: 4/28/2016 12:22:15 AM EDT
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Long stroke>short stroke.
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Posted: 4/28/2016 9:35:53 AM EDT
[#2]
PWS.
In addition to what's already been said.... My 16" PWS has been dead nuts reliable. Everyone that's shot it on a bench has said, "damn, that's more accurate than a piston gun ought to be...." It's my favorite rifle |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 4:34:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2016 5:13:13 PM EDT
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P. Dubya. Ess.
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Posted: 4/28/2016 6:55:35 PM EDT
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After reading a lot of reviews and posts I really haven't found anything negative with the PWS, think that might just be the choice to go with.
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Posted: 4/28/2016 10:04:59 PM EDT
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Can't see any reason to buy the Sig over the PWS. I have the PWS MK116 and it is awesome. Near zero muzzle rise and very soft recoil impulse. Balance is also noteworthy.
Pretty sure if you buy it you will love it. 
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Posted: 4/28/2016 10:26:52 PM EDT
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Pws and it's not even close. All Pws does is make Ar-15. Sig is a pistol company that can't even make a good pistol. They make like 4,000 different models. They haven't updated the 516 since 2010 when it came out. Pathetic.
I believe for the price, Pws by far is the Best Buy on the market. Just ask the guys at Prepper Gun Shop. It's their favorites as well ! |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:03:02 AM EDT
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Haven't shot the pws (actually very interested in this rifle), but I love my 516 carbon. Have shot over 1200 rounds through it without issue and only cleaned it once. They are going for way less than msrp right now and come with a nice trigger and buis and the carbon fiber handgaurd is really nice. I dumped 300 rounds back to back and could still touch the rail bare handed. From what I've heard the pws is an excellent rifle though. Good luck.
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:08:44 AM EDT
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Pws and it's not even close. All Pws does is make Ar-15. Sig is a pistol company that can't even make a good pistol. They make like 4,000 different models. They haven't updated the 516 since 2010 when it came out. Pathetic. I believe for the price, Pws by far is the Best Buy on the market. Just ask the guys at Prepper Gun Shop. It's their favorites as well ! I have both and voted for PWS for a variety of reasons... However, to say that the SIG is not a very high quality product in its own right is absurd. |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 2:38:47 PM EDT
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Yeah that is something I was considering with the handguard, I've read that somewhere else as well that it is cool to the touch.
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Posted: 5/5/2016 2:54:45 PM EDT
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Can't see any reason to buy the Sig over the PWS. I have the PWS MK116 and it is awesome. Near zero muzzle rise and very soft recoil impulse. Balance is also noteworthy. Pretty sure if you buy it you will love it. So I ended up buying the PWS, I'll be taking it out this weekend, I'm pretty exited to see how it runs. The reason I was considering the sig is because the price for both was right in my ball park and it came with some nice features. They upgraded the 516 with their carbon model..comes with a -better trigger -carbon fiber handguards -a nicer stock and grip -comes with a sling and flip up sights The PWS comes with a mag and a case, which the case will be nice to have but I wish they threw some back up sights on there. I feel the overall quality of the PWS has the edge on the sig, I'm sure reliability is on par with both but I believe the PWS has some nicer coatings like a nickel boron coated bcg...I know its not necessary but they are nice. I don't think I'll be disappointed at all with the PWS...I can find deals on some back up sights and a sling. Thanks for all the comments, definitely helps. |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 4:27:21 PM EDT
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Sig makes a top-quality, go to war, squared away AR. Nothing against it.
Their bane is interoperability. It looks just about like any other AR platform, but when you want to upgrade / change / substitute with commonly available parts that almost all other ARs accept, you find out that SIG made some unique tolerance and dimensional changes that keep an owner from easily running something that SIG hasn't blessed. |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 9:55:28 PM EDT
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Congrats on the Pws.
I do not like carbon fiber handgaurd on the Sig. Sorry, a weapon of war needs to be metal. I also realize a lot of people buy the $600 Ar's for some reason. Sig, Ruger, Smith & Colt. Who in the hell really wants a gun with iron sights and plastic handgaurds these days ? Pws keeps making their product better. Sig will be bragging on the 516 in the year 2020. Come on Sig |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 11:28:08 PM EDT
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Congrats on the Pws. I do not like carbon fiber handgaurd on the Sig. Sorry, a weapon of war needs to be metal. I also realize a lot of people buy the $600 Ar's for some reason. Sig, Ruger, Smith & Colt. Who in the hell really wants a gun with iron sights and plastic handgaurds these days ? Pws keeps making their product better. Sig will be bragging on the 516 in the year 2020. Come on Sig Plastic hand guards have had a pretty good track record in actual... You know.... WARS. Besides... Carbon fiber is light, amazingly strong and *not* plastic. You realize that a shocking percentage of the "weapons of war" the military has been dragging around the Middle East for the past 15 years is built out of carbon fiber, right? For you own sanity, don't research the armor composition of an Abrams.... Here's a hint, though: A lot of it ain't metal. |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 11:14:12 AM EDT
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Well, I work at a aircraft plant that builds metal and composite airplanes. I'd fly in the metal one every day of the week.
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Posted: 5/6/2016 3:43:04 PM EDT
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Well, I work at a aircraft plant that builds metal and composite airplanes. I'd fly in the metal one every day of the week. There is nothing wrong with composites. If your composites are substandard, then you are doing something wrong, not the designers. |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 9:29:11 PM EDT
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Well, one of these days Sig will design a low profile has block and figure out how to make handgaurds. Till then, Pws all the way !
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Posted: 5/7/2016 9:40:31 AM EDT
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Well, one of these days Sig will design a low profile has block and figure out how to make handgaurds. Till then, Pws all the way ! Please explain, in detail, exactly what is wrong with their hand guards. Thanks. |
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Posted: 5/7/2016 12:22:31 PM EDT
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They are short. Don't even wrap around the gas block. Even the way they bolt up isn't strong.
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Posted: 5/7/2016 7:09:23 PM EDT
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They are short. Don't even wrap around the gas block. Even the way they bolt up isn't strong. 
Something tells me you haven't handled, or even seen, one of their rifles with the carbon fiber handguard. It is as long as any sane person needs it to be. |
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Posted: 5/8/2016 10:24:44 AM EDT
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They are short. Don't even wrap around the gas block. Even the way they bolt up isn't strong. Short?? They don't wrap around the gas block? They have to allow access to the gas adjustment.... The hand guard attachment isn't any weaker than most other AR's.... Do you have any actual experience with this firearm at all? Have you ever even *seen* one? 
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Posted: 5/8/2016 4:25:23 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Lancer make that handgaurd ? I believe so, let me know when Sig can do it.
By the way, that's ugly ! |
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Posted: 5/8/2016 4:57:19 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Lancer make that handgaurd ? I believe so, let me know when Sig can do it. By the way, that's ugly ! I believe it is a Lancer... Which is an excellent choice as it's a very high quality item. You understand that *most* manufacturers outsource things like furniture on their OEM rifles, right? That's how this entire industry works. |
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Posted: 5/8/2016 6:31:59 PM EDT
[#24]
No, pretty sure Pws makes their handgaurd.
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Posted: 5/8/2016 7:35:09 PM EDT
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No, pretty sure Pws makes their handgaurd. They do. I have three of them.... But it really doesn't matter. A high quality handguard is exactly that, no matter who makes it. |
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Posted: 5/8/2016 9:23:34 PM EDT
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So I ended up buying the PWS, I'll be taking it out this weekend, I'm pretty exited to see how it runs. The reason I was considering the sig is because the price for both was right in my ball park and it came with some nice features. They upgraded the 516 with their carbon model..comes with a -better trigger -carbon fiber handguards -a nicer stock and grip -comes with a sling and flip up sights The PWS comes with a mag and a case, which the case will be nice to have but I wish they threw some back up sights on there. I feel the overall quality of the PWS has the edge on the sig, I'm sure reliability is on par with both but I believe the PWS has some nicer coatings like a nickel boron coated bcg...I know its not necessary but they are nice. I don't think I'll be disappointed at all with the PWS...I can find deals on some back up sights and a sling. Thanks for all the comments, definitely helps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't see any reason to buy the Sig over the PWS. I have the PWS MK116 and it is awesome. Near zero muzzle rise and very soft recoil impulse. Balance is also noteworthy. Pretty sure if you buy it you will love it. So I ended up buying the PWS, I'll be taking it out this weekend, I'm pretty exited to see how it runs. The reason I was considering the sig is because the price for both was right in my ball park and it came with some nice features. They upgraded the 516 with their carbon model..comes with a -better trigger -carbon fiber handguards -a nicer stock and grip -comes with a sling and flip up sights The PWS comes with a mag and a case, which the case will be nice to have but I wish they threw some back up sights on there. I feel the overall quality of the PWS has the edge on the sig, I'm sure reliability is on par with both but I believe the PWS has some nicer coatings like a nickel boron coated bcg...I know its not necessary but they are nice. I don't think I'll be disappointed at all with the PWS...I can find deals on some back up sights and a sling. Thanks for all the comments, definitely helps. Good choice! My rifle came with the front and rear sights Magpul flip up sights. Enjoy and happy shooting and you will love how it shoots!! |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 12:55:31 AM EDT
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One more question if anyone is still on here checking this out, my dealer still had an FDE version of the mk116 which I picked up. After reading a bit online this was a special edition last summer in 2015. I know this year 2016 they stopped including sights but last year they were still included, should mine have sights since it is FDE and they only did those last year which means this is a 2015 model?...just something I observed I was curious about. mine didn't come with the flip ups but I do have a Vortex Strike eagle I'm putting on and going to hammer away this weekend.
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Posted: 5/11/2016 8:45:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One more question if anyone is still on here checking this out, my dealer still had an FDE version of the mk116 which I picked up. After reading a bit online this was a special edition last summer in 2015. I know this year 2016 they stopped including sights but last year they were still included, should mine have sights since it is FDE and they only did those last year which means this is a 2015 model?...just something I observed I was curious about. mine didn't come with the flip ups but I do have a Vortex Strike eagle I'm putting on and going to hammer away this weekend. Alternately, that is not unusual to see during a promotion--I know that for a while, LWRC was sending their M6IC SPR rifles without irons due to a mail in Aimpoint rebate. So in other words--nothing unusual at all, and I have no idea if your rifle was supposed to come with sights. |
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Posted: 5/15/2016 6:55:48 PM EDT
[#29]
If you haven't made your purchase yet, get the PWS. I finally got one (Mk112) and its my first piston gun...I love it. The quality is great and it's incredibly easy to clean after a range session. I may never shoot my Noveske recce again.
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Posted: 5/15/2016 10:36:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Pws does not include flip up sights now ? Damn, all these companies keep getting tighter and tighter. Pretty soon they won't include grips and stocks. Wow
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:29:01 AM EDT
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Pws does not include flip up sights now ? Damn, all these companies keep getting tighter and tighter. Pretty soon they won't include grips and stocks. Wow Yup. My upper did not come with sights. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 4:07:07 PM EDT
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Yup. My upper did not come with sights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pws does not include flip up sights now ? Damn, all these companies keep getting tighter and tighter. Pretty soon they won't include grips and stocks. Wow Yup. My upper did not come with sights. PWS upper also don't come with lowers 
PWS uppers have never come with sites. PWS rifles, complete guns come with back up sites through Mod1 those have been Magpul However, I do not know if the new Mod2 will have sites or what make if they do but if anyone thought when sites came with a gun they were free and the price would not be different well, I will just leave it there 
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Posted: 5/16/2016 5:06:51 PM EDT
[#33]
As of late January '16 complete MOD 1 rifles stopped shipping with BUIS.
No BUIS on MOD 2 or MK2 either. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:44:16 PM EDT
[#34]
The sights are nice to have. One less thing for you to buy. You can also go shoot it right away. These companies buy in bulk and get great deals from companies on sights. If anything, Magpul probly gives them out free for advertising. Hey look, Pws is badass and they use our sights. Not to include sights is a cheap ass shortcut. And frankly I'm disappointed in Pws.
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Posted: 5/16/2016 9:53:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The sights are nice to have. One less thing for you to buy. You can also go shoot it right away. These companies buy in bulk and get great deals from companies on sights. If anything, Magpul probly gives them out free for advertising. Hey look, Pws is badass and they use our sights. Not to include sights is a cheap ass shortcut. And frankly I'm disappointed in Pws. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 10:58:07 PM EDT
[#36]
Yep, much preferred. Gets you in the door on a MOD 1 at really decent prices.
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Posted: 5/17/2016 10:47:07 AM EDT
[#37]
Yeah, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of price cuts. Look at Daniel, they quit with sights and raised prices.
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Posted: 5/17/2016 1:43:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Can't comment on DD because comparing the two different business models involves too many assumptions.
I’ve seen a drop, bringing it close to a nice BCM setup. Great time to buy if someone's in the market. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 10:16:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't comment on DD because comparing the two different business models involves too many assumptions. I’ve seen a drop, bringing it close to a nice BCM setup. Great time to buy if someone's in the market. Plus, I just bought one because of the price drop. So there's that |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 7:49:38 AM EDT
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Well, the price drop your seeing is the manufacturers not seeing the sales anymore. Most people have their rifles and there hasn't been a mass shooting in a long time. Thank God !
Much like new trucks. One of these days they are going to have to drop the price, people won't keep paying the crazy high prices |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:24:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the price drop your seeing is the manufacturers not seeing the sales anymore. Most people have their rifles and there hasn't been a mass shooting in a long time. Thank God ! Much like new trucks. One of these days they are going to have to drop the price, people won't keep paying the crazy high prices Distributors rarely "drop prices"--things either go on sale, or get clearances out for the new model. Old model clearances are selling for less than the new models (at least in my AO). If price drops occur, it is usually directly attributable to manufacturer dropping MSRP for the same product (same sku, etc) and forcing economic compliance, or if a distributor decides to price match another distributor. Either way--great guns are becoming cheaper to compete on the marketplace, and regardless of your choice, buy now before the election season really ramps up. And I agree--truck prices are insane. Used trucks do not exist for less than $25K, unless they're 20 years old with 200K on the clock. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 11:53:17 AM EDT
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This has been my experience, as well. PWS are quickly becoming the fastest piston driven AR to sell at the shop. Plus, I just bought one because of the price drop. So there's that
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Can't comment on DD because comparing the two different business models involves too many assumptions. I’ve seen a drop, bringing it close to a nice BCM setup. Great time to buy if someone's in the market. Plus, I just bought one because of the price drop. So there's that
Absolutely, pick up a top end long stroke for the price of a nice DI rifle? Deal. I'll be doing the same exact thing soon, just too good to pass up. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 9:42:04 AM EDT
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Absolutely, pick up a top end long stroke for the price of a nice DI rifle? Deal. I'll be doing the same exact thing soon, just too good to pass up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't comment on DD because comparing the two different business models involves too many assumptions. I’ve seen a drop, bringing it close to a nice BCM setup. Great time to buy if someone's in the market. Plus, I just bought one because of the price drop. So there's that
Absolutely, pick up a top end long stroke for the price of a nice DI rifle? Deal. I'll be doing the same exact thing soon, just too good to pass up. This was my thought process. I was trying to decide on an 11.5 or 12.5 upper and was thinking of pulling the trigger on a BCM until I found a PWS Mk112 upper for $900. By the time I got a good BCG and charging handle for the BCM, it'd be close to the price of the PWS. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 9:55:24 AM EDT
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Get it while you can. The new Mod 2 are going to be over $2000. I don't see a lot of people jumping on those
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Posted: 5/20/2016 2:19:36 PM EDT
[#45]
 I went with the pws, I threw my vortex strike eagle on, sighted it at 50 yards and was slamming steel from 100 out to 430, shoots super well, really smooth and easy to maintain. I'm pretty excited to run this gun plus the fde is awesome looking as well. Thanks for all the comments glad I went with the pws, I'll post a pic up later.
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:32:56 AM EDT
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This was my thought process. I was trying to decide on an 11.5 or 12.5 upper and was thinking of pulling the trigger on a BCM until I found a PWS Mk112 upper for $900. By the time I got a good BCG and charging handle for the BCM, it'd be close to the price of the PWS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
This was my thought process. I was trying to decide on an 11.5 or 12.5 upper and was thinking of pulling the trigger on a BCM until I found a PWS Mk112 upper for $900. By the time I got a good BCG and charging handle for the BCM, it'd be close to the price of the PWS. On top of the great pricing, I get what PWS is doing with MOD 2 but for now, there are a few MOD 1 features I still prefer so, this really works for me. Quoted:
I went with the pws, I threw my vortex strike eagle on, sighted it at 50 yards and was slamming steel from 100 out to 430, shoots super well, really smooth and easy to maintain. I'm pretty excited to run this gun plus the fde is awesome looking as well. Thanks for all the comments glad I went with the pws, I'll post a pic up later.Excellent choice, really doubt you’ll regret it down the line either. The more you use it the more you usually end up appreciating it. If you end up cleaning up a decent amount of copper build up early on, it’s normal. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 4:16:29 PM EDT
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On top of the great pricing, I get what PWS is doing with MOD 2 but for now, there are a few MOD 1 features I still prefer so, this really works for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This was my thought process. I was trying to decide on an 11.5 or 12.5 upper and was thinking of pulling the trigger on a BCM until I found a PWS Mk112 upper for $900. By the time I got a good BCG and charging handle for the BCM, it'd be close to the price of the PWS. On top of the great pricing, I get what PWS is doing with MOD 2 but for now, there are a few MOD 1 features I still prefer so, this really works for me. Agreed. The lighter weight is a plus and personally I'd prefer the Mk111 11.75" barrel over the 10.75" or 12.75" available with mod 1. That said I'm old school and always want a forward assist, and I like the 4 gas settings vice only 2. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:37:56 PM EDT
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Yeah, they took a gas setting away and said they fine tuned it. I would think 4 is more fine tuned. I'm also not crazy about the new handgaurd. Looks like it has huge holes. Not sure what the point of that is. I guess to burn your finger
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:59:23 PM EDT
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Agreed. The lighter weight is a plus and personally I'd prefer the Mk111 11.75" barrel over the 10.75" or 12.75" available with mod 1. That said I'm old school and always want a forward assist, and I like the 4 gas settings vice only 2. Nailed it, gas settings (was hoping they’d add more) and forward assist. Overall, love what they do. I’ve watched their parts and MOD 0 evolve for the better. I’m sure MOD 2 will have its place. Just glad MOD 1 is still available. Some iterations are just winners and that was surely one. Got a lot more right on it than they did wrong. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 6:13:40 PM EDT
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Nailed it, gas settings (was hoping they’d add more) and forward assist. Overall, love what they do. I’ve watched their parts and MOD 0 evolve for the better. I’m sure MOD 2 will have its place. Just glad MOD 1 is still available. Some iterations are just winners and that was surely one. Got a lot more right on it than they did wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Agreed. The lighter weight is a plus and personally I'd prefer the Mk111 11.75" barrel over the 10.75" or 12.75" available with mod 1. That said I'm old school and always want a forward assist, and I like the 4 gas settings vice only 2. Nailed it, gas settings (was hoping they’d add more) and forward assist. Overall, love what they do. I’ve watched their parts and MOD 0 evolve for the better. I’m sure MOD 2 will have its place. Just glad MOD 1 is still available. Some iterations are just winners and that was surely one. Got a lot more right on it than they did wrong. Yup, love mine!!! |
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