i've been a LWRC fanboy for years, ever since they came out with the M6A3 midlength gas system but recently i have come to the conclusion they are over gases.

i had been shooting these exclusively over my DI uppers but last year i set them aside and switched to shooting a A4 20" clone and scar 16. . the scar is a dream to shoot except for the trigger.

awhile back i picked up a 16" m6a3 from the EE here and it was more like shooting an ak47 in 7.62 no matter what buffer set up i tried. i was a little discouraged with it and set it aside for awhile. after thinking about it and just for shits and giggles i had the barrel chopped down to 12.5" and didnt touch the gas port, now it feels like my 20" DI gun and i am running a standard carbine buffer.

i went back to shooting my 18" m6a3 upper i have too and now it feels over gased. probably wont be chopping it down anytime soon unless its to a 14.5 length.

just some random thoughts in case anyone cares. carry on.....

Believe it or not I have found the biggest thing that improves felt recoil is a thicker buttplate and a good compensator. I will guarantee that you will feel the difference.

that doesnt change the fact that they are over gassed. on top of that, a butt pad or comp is still a band aide for a bigger problem. over gassing increases wear and slows down follow up shots, not to mention taking you off target, something a comp would help but then there goes your flash suppression or ability to use a can.

Not at all. My MAMS is set up to mount a can and there are some compensators that have relatively good flash surpression. Overgassing does have benifits however in allowing your rifle to cylce underpowered ammo which is a benifit. The AK47 is an overgassed setup and look how long those things last.

not in my world but thanks for trying

Could be an issue with yours and not for all.

I have a newer LWRC IC-E and it is softer to shoot than a SCAR 16s and faster. My Six8A2 on the other hand is definitely getting too much gas, at least with a suppressor on it.

since the 2 i currently have are over gassed i have to believe its LWRC doing in order to run everything. in the M6A3 models,  i've had 2 of the 18" and that 16" i cut back. i also had one of LWRC's  5.45 AK A2 models that was even more over gassed. never seen a rifle with that much snap. my friends 545 was the same way.

maybe they figured out they dont need all that gas in the IC models. i will admit my scar 16 isnt as fast on follows my A4 models, just different.

What leads you to believe it is over gassed? I don't recall but wasn't the M6a3 an adjustable setup?

Fair enough. I may look into chopping the barrel on my Six8A2, might fix my issues too haha.

Betting they got better, with the IC line and their adjustable gas block.

Yes, the M6A3 has a 4 position adjustable gas setup. Off, suppressed, normal and adverse.

I wasn't implying that in your case. It was meant to be a neutral statement.

did you read what i posted about cutting a 16" back to 12" and it still cycled everything? that pretty much means they are over gassed, in my book.

they do have the 4 way adjuster but the N and S mode (normal and suppressed) and barely noticeable. in fact i can run the 18" barreled upper in S mode even with low power ammo like PMC.

Not in his world. The war he trains for is different.

dont be so butt hurt that i dont like your observations....you better stop while your not too far behind. your ignorance is showing.

Not butthurt at all. I'm just being an asshole. Over gassing in certain applications can be a positive thing to which you said it's not. A dealer of LWRC rifles came on and told you why it's over gassed to begin with.

If you don't like it then buy yourself a barrel blank and do all the work yourself and drill the gas port to the size you want. At the end of the day the recoil of any intermediate caliber is negligible and I say this having fired a large number of calibers. I gave you a solution and you scoffed at it and said it was a band aid problem and made it out like there is a flaw in the design because it's not exactly how you want it.

There's this thing called a majority and every company is going to cater to them more than the individual. Logistically it is easier to do so. If you want a specialized rifle that is exactly the way you want it build it or find a company that does.

As I said the fact of the matter is I gave you a solution to your problem that I know from my experiences works and will clear up your issue because the reality is you are likely not

1) military

2) a competition shooter

If you are then good I still gave you a solution. It is period better to have a rifle that will more reliably accept a wide range of ammo for 98% of shooters than it is to have a rifle specifically tuned for one specific kind of ammo load.

If you seek that then buy yourself a race gun. They are designed purely for stuff like that. You could even get an AA kit if you are so concerned with having a gas piston rifle.

Do you look at the rifles competition shooters use? Every one I have ever seen especially when talking race guns are highly tuned task specific rifles.

You will not on any planet find a rifle that will perform like a race gun and be as reliable as a gun with looser tolerances.

That is why when you buy or build an AR you build a task specific rifle. Whether that's general purpose, DMR, long range, ECT ECT they are designed to perform under a set of devised parameters.

But what do I know right? First AR I did was a Frankenstein build that was intended to fill multiple roles but did neither well. So been there done that. But hey what do I know right? My ignorance is showing.

I'm going to chime in here......The OP has an issue and doesn't like the way it performs.  There are options for him to correct it how he sees fit.  OP, have you thought about call LWRC CS to see what they can do for you?  It may be a simple solution.  I also understand some of the replies from others about the over gassing.  All three of mine, M6IC limited, Six8 UCIW & 16" fluted REPR area ll fine.  I don't think they are over gassed.  In fact my REPR was under gassed and they had to open the gas port up on the barrel something like 1/100 of an inch, runs like a champ.

Not everyone is going to be in agreement on a solution, to each their own.  Everyone is entitled to their opinions and suggestions.  Let's not get into a verbal pissing match over this.

This goes to what I posted above.

My A3 is anything but over gassed. If it was it would be eating piston return springs like a motherfucker. If it shoots just shoot it.

i''ve eaten 3 piston return springs on these rifles...here are 2 of them. one from the 16" and the broken one from the 545 AK





and some of you have sever reading comprehension problem. when you can cut a barrel from 16 to 12 and it still works, that over gassed. try and and prove otherwise.

hey asshole, what does either of your criteria have to do with this conversation? in fact, sin ce you are such a fan of over gassed barrels, why do you go start your own thread on how great they are and puff up your military chest.

now go jack off in someone else s thread

No one is claiming otherwise. It was simply discussed it can be a good thing (dependent on design). Again I gave you several courses of action you could take. Another poster asked if you contacted LWRC customer support. Have you? If you don't feel like calling them you can even wander on in to their industry section.

Griping about something you feel is an issue instead of contacting the right people about it is not going to fix anything. Neither is calling me names when I only want to help you and put things in perspective.

It's your choice to be hard headed instead of taking action.

As mentioned if you feel that there is without a doubt and issue with your firearm get it fixed or take another road. LWRC stated in the past on the forums located on their site that they changed spring designs to a flat wire spring because of this issue.

Everyone I've seen who has sees no problems.

Additionally mechanical parts have a life span. They do not last forever.

Information such as estimated round count would go a long ways to determining if there really is a problem. As posters we only have the information you give us to work with in trying to point you in the right direction or assist you. Thusly dependent on how much or how little information you post will determine the response you will get.

Have you read the owners manual or asked around on other places to see if they state things such as your return spring have a life span? I know they do as I've checked in the past. Off the top of my head I can't remember it but I know they do.

What kind of shooting do you do with your rifle? How aggressive in terms of rounds per minute are you? All these things in addition to enviornment and how well you maintain your firearm will determine how long you can expect parts to last.

As I said I'm trying to help you and put things into perspective because that's the way you determine if you have a problem to begin with or how to fix something if there really is a problem.

Do yourself a favor and emotionally detatch yourself and let's talk about the facts. This name calling and bickering isn't going to get us anywhere.

i see now, you're one of the guys that has to have the last word aren't ya.

Personal insults. This is not GD.