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Posted: 10/2/2014 7:05:32 PM EDT
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A heavier barrel would throw off the neutral balance.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 8:53:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2014 1:34:39 PM EDT
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If you drop 900 rounds down a bore in less than 10 minutes, it would have to be water cooled to make it to the next round of zombies for you. If I was in that situation, I would just stop at round 899 and insert my big toe into the trigger guard tilt the muzzle under my chin and end it. None of us are making it out of here alive.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:30:03 PM EDT
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It doesn't need to be any heavier, it's thick where it needs to be, thin where it doesn't.
You would gain absolutely nothing by making it heavier. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 10:18:16 AM EDT
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Most replies miss the point.
It sounds like you believe I am advocating eliminating the lighter version when I am suggesting an additional heavier contoured barrel version. Some think a heavier barrel would add nothing. Tell that to the Bundeswehr troops in Afghanistan. They would strongly disagree If a heavier contour did not add something why are so many target/sniper rifles heavy contoured? |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 12:07:13 PM EDT
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Nope, look at the newest and most accurate barrels being made today, some places to start are Accuracy International, Barrett, and even PWS's MK3,
you will learn that heavy for the sake of heavy is long gone, todays ultra accurate sniper rifle barrels are thick where they need to be to support the chamber and achieve the optimum stiffness but after that are fluted and streamlined in comparison to yesterdays bull barrels. The Mk1 and MK2 barrels are among the best in the entire industry and are not pencil barrels by any means, they are very much contoured, it's also worth noting that BCM and Daniel Defense are selling about 15-20 lightweight barrels for every one heavier govt profile barrel these days, lastly look at the SCAR barrels, representing a purpose built design with operator input for the first time in small arms history and now with a proven service record of amazing accuracy and durability. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 1:16:04 PM EDT
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Meh.......no interest in a heavy barreled PWS, but that's just my opinion.
The idea could have a bit of merit, contact PWS and see if they will build ya one. |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 1:18:22 PM EDT
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But, as the HK36 has proven in extreme combat a pencil barrel loses accuracy with extended constant use. No, the G36 proved that plastic trunnions lose accuracy with extended use. |
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Posted: 10/5/2014 12:56:37 AM EDT
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I would like to see my barrel cut down by 4-6". Wait, that's already a option. I need more $$$.
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Posted: 10/5/2014 12:41:30 PM EDT
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No, the G36 proved that plastic trunnions lose accuracy with extended use. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But, as the HK36 has proven in extreme combat a pencil barrel loses accuracy with extended constant use. No, the G36 proved that plastic trunnions lose accuracy with extended use. No, it's actually turned into an investigation. The push to get the 416 and a new contract, or the fact that 3600 troops are drinking more than a million liters of beer and 70k liters of wine each year--I can site the source if need be. Either way, heat is not a weapons friend. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 3:43:16 AM EDT
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The barrel isn't what makes the G36 not shoot straight. the barrel is pinned to a plastic trunnion and it doesn't handle the massive heat generated by sustained full auto fire well.
SOCOM created the M4 SOCOM weight barrel because they were having problems blowing out the gasport on the standard M4 barrels in places like Iraq with high ambient heat. You will never be able to damage a PWS barrel in semi auto fire though so I wouldn't worry about it, The public is not much into buying piston guns that handle like a truck axle as most piston gun buyers are interested in a reliable weapon that they can actualy use in a dynamic enviroment. PWS will however more than likely install a barrel you supply, maybe you should call and ask. A friend of mine calland and asked if they would swap out his barrel on his MK216 with a 20" 5R blank and they said they would, and their prices were reasonable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Most replies miss the point. It sounds like you believe I am advocating eliminating the lighter version when I am suggesting an additional heavier contoured barrel version. Some think a heavier barrel would add nothing. Tell that to the Bundeswehr troops in Afghanistan. They would strongly disagree If a heavier contour did not add something why are so many target/sniper rifles heavy contoured? |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 4:12:34 AM EDT
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The M4A1 barrel contour predates the war and came into being because one SOF unit was using them as automatic rifles and causing failures or cook offs. That was caused by a rate of fire specific to their TTPs as they are a reconnaisance unit rather than an infantry unit and they use a lot of lead to escape.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:57:23 AM EDT
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I'm not trying to come off as a dick but I don't know how to put this any other way. You own how many PWS's? And now you want another one? You've been saying for a while you are going to get an IC yet all I ever see you talking about or buying is PWS. Don't get me wrong PWS makes a fine rifle but I can't help but feel when you say you're going to get an IC and then ask about a new PWS that you are delaying. Maybe it's time to get that IC you've been claiming to want for a while and to put some rounds through it to see how you like it.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 10:52:15 AM EDT
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Most replies miss the point. It sounds like you believe I am advocating eliminating the lighter version when I am suggesting an additional heavier contoured barrel version. Some think a heavier barrel would add nothing. Tell that to the Bundeswehr troops in Afghanistan. They would strongly disagree If a heavier contour did not add something why are so many target/sniper rifles heavy contoured? For barrel whip......doesn't have anything to do with rate of fire....and on those same heavy barrels if you do put alot of rounds through them at once, your POI will shift. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 11:43:59 AM EDT
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I believe the Mod 1 MK1 series is the all around best M4 one can buy at this time. Based on the light weight neutral balance and simple more robust design it is certainly my choice (bench shooters may like others but to carry and shoot, well IMO this can not be beat) But, as the HK36 has proven in extreme combat a pencil barrel loses accuracy with extended constant use. Wulfmann Others pointed it out but the MK series Mod 1 doesn't use a pencil barrel. It's medium contour and thickened in areas for increased rigidity. So specifically, it's thicker than government, thinner than SOCOM. With how the rifle balances, I think the barrel as-is is a strong choice. I get it, you'd like to see an additional true HBAR option. I'd have no interest in that (even SOCOM would be too heavy IMHO). I'm really just pointing out it's not currently a pencil barrel. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 5:37:31 PM EDT
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Nope, look at the newest and most accurate barrels being made today, some places to start are Accuracy International, Barrett, and even PWS's MK3, you will learn that heavy for the sake of heavy is long gone, todays ultra accurate sniper rifle barrels are thick where they need to be to support the chamber and achieve the optimum stiffness but after that are fluted and streamlined in comparison to yesterdays bull barrels. . Look at my OP; did you look??  I said fluted.
I did not say I wanted a "heavy" barrel. I said a heavier barrel and if I could only have one I would only want the current Mod 1 design. The current (OK I was exaggerating for effect) .6 barrel is not really a pencil barrel, very true and I was not advocating a 1" target barrel more like a .75 spiral fluted barrel. The Mod 0 has a ,7" barrel (from gas port forward I believe about .6 chamber to gas port, apprx)and I prefer that as my constant trainer. I was just suggesting what I would like to see as a new model, something that would get me to spring for one although I think my next one will be a 10.75" pistol with the Sig stock and the CQ brake but after that an 18" with a .75 fluted barrel would be hard to resist. Just dreaming not trying to get my ass kicked. Too late 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 5:44:37 PM EDT
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I'm not trying to come off as a dick Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm not trying to come off as a dick Can you imagine if evil one actually tried being a dick? man, that would be scary  
Quoted:but I don't know how to put this any other way. You own how many PWS's? And now you want another one? You've been saying for a while you are going to get an IC yet all I ever see you talking about or buying is PWS. Don't get me wrong PWS makes a fine rifle but I can't help but feel when you say you're going to get an IC and then ask about a new PWS that you are delaying. Maybe it's time to get that IC you've been claiming to want for a while and to put some rounds through it to see how you like it. I have lusted after an IC for some time but some guy bought one and had a horror story about carrier tilt and after looking at my Mod 0 with 15K plus rounds and no wear at all I had to conclude i already had a superior carbine so why pay more to get less. Plus, with Colt taking over who knows if LWRC will be worth what they once were. That is a wait and see Wulfmann |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:07:06 PM EDT
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Can you imagine if evil one actually tried being a dick? man, that would be scary
I have lusted after an IC for some time but some guy bought one and had a horror story about carrier tilt and after looking at my Mod 0 with 15K plus rounds and no wear at all I had to conclude i already had a superior carbine so why pay more to get less. Plus, with Colt taking over who knows if LWRC will be worth what they once were. That is a wait and see Wulfmann Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not trying to come off as a dick Can you imagine if evil one actually tried being a dick? man, that would be scary
Quoted:but I don't know how to put this any other way. You own how many PWS's? And now you want another one? You've been saying for a while you are going to get an IC yet all I ever see you talking about or buying is PWS. Don't get me wrong PWS makes a fine rifle but I can't help but feel when you say you're going to get an IC and then ask about a new PWS that you are delaying. Maybe it's time to get that IC you've been claiming to want for a while and to put some rounds through it to see how you like it. I have lusted after an IC for some time but some guy bought one and had a horror story about carrier tilt and after looking at my Mod 0 with 15K plus rounds and no wear at all I had to conclude i already had a superior carbine so why pay more to get less. Plus, with Colt taking over who knows if LWRC will be worth what they once were. That is a wait and see Wulfmann I thought that deal fell through? Haven't seen anything about this, since the initial talk about it. |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 11:57:04 AM EDT
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I have lusted after an IC for some time but some guy bought one and had a horror story about carrier tilt and after looking at my Mod 0 with 15K plus rounds and no wear at all I had to conclude i already had a superior carbine so why pay more to get less. Plus, with Colt taking over who knows if LWRC will be worth what they once were. That is a wait and see Wulfmann Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:but I don't know how to put this any other way. You own how many PWS's? And now you want another one? You've been saying for a while you are going to get an IC yet all I ever see you talking about or buying is PWS. Don't get me wrong PWS makes a fine rifle but I can't help but feel when you say you're going to get an IC and then ask about a new PWS that you are delaying. Maybe it's time to get that IC you've been claiming to want for a while and to put some rounds through it to see how you like it. I have lusted after an IC for some time but some guy bought one and had a horror story about carrier tilt and after looking at my Mod 0 with 15K plus rounds and no wear at all I had to conclude i already had a superior carbine so why pay more to get less. Plus, with Colt taking over who knows if LWRC will be worth what they once were. That is a wait and see Wulfmann Despite the issues I have had LWRC is willing to fix it. The issue is I'm deploying. Like now. So I can't send it in until I get back which is going to be a long time. My IC has served me well and is by far my most favorite AR ever. EVER |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 1:54:52 PM EDT
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Despite the issues I have had LWRC is willing to fix it. The issue is I'm deploying. Like now. So I can't send it in until I get back which is going to be a long time. My IC has served me well and is by far my most favorite AR ever. EVER Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:but I don't know how to put this any other way. You own how many PWS's? And now you want another one? You've been saying for a while you are going to get an IC yet all I ever see you talking about or buying is PWS. Don't get me wrong PWS makes a fine rifle but I can't help but feel when you say you're going to get an IC and then ask about a new PWS that you are delaying. Maybe it's time to get that IC you've been claiming to want for a while and to put some rounds through it to see how you like it. I have lusted after an IC for some time but some guy bought one and had a horror story about carrier tilt and after looking at my Mod 0 with 15K plus rounds and no wear at all I had to conclude i already had a superior carbine so why pay more to get less. Plus, with Colt taking over who knows if LWRC will be worth what they once were. That is a wait and see Wulfmann Despite the issues I have had LWRC is willing to fix it. The issue is I'm deploying. Like now. So I can't send it in until I get back which is going to be a long time. My IC has served me well and is by far my most favorite AR ever. EVER That's the problem, spending that sort of money on a rifle and it having such a major flaw doesn't cut it. I haven't heard much about PWS having carrier tilt issues and I've run 9k through my mk116 and about 3k through the mk216, no issues. It seems with LWRC you pay a lot more for fit and finish, which isn't that much different than PWS AND you pay a lot more for a piston action which seems inferior to that of PWS. That being said I've spent another $500 on each of my PWS rifles, upgrading to Geiselle triggers, Troy tritium iron sights and different stocks. |
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