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Posted: 6/15/2016 1:19:20 AM EDT
Well I went to Sarco today looking for some small parts for builds and the occasional retro score there which seem to be fewer and further between.

They were filming a show there called "Weapon Hunter"" which I guess is on the Smithsonian Channel and may be worth a look but I found nothing really interesting there.

So basically right next door is another shop called The Heritage Guild with a nice indoor range and usually nice but expensive stuff. I went looking to pick up a 45 can when I saw her...




A 1962 National Match built at the Springfield armory on an Ithaca frame with Colt slide and at a price I felt was reasonable. But there are so many NM fakes and I don't know enough about them to risk the money on one, wait a second...




Well hot damn!

Now I need to do some research on who Lt Col Fred VonSholly was and wow, he paid $21.85 for it in 1965

One of 3025 built for the national match and one of only 172 sold through the DCM!
Link Posted: 6/15/2016 1:39:30 AM EDT
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Well I went to Sarco today looking for some small parts for builds and the occasional retro score there which seem to be fewer and further between.

They were filming a show there called "Weapon Hunter"" which I guess is on the Smithsonian Channel and may be worth a look but I found nothing really interesting there.

So basically right next door is another shop called The Heritage Guild with a nice indoor range and usually nice but expensive stuff. I went looking to pick up a 45 can when I saw her...

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o355/banshee207/FullSizeRender_zpsmtl20epv.jpg
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o355/banshee207/FullSizeRender%201_zpsn2g3elar.jpg

A 1962 National Match built at the Springfield armory on an Ithaca frame with Colt slide and at a price I felt was reasonable. But there are so many NM fakes and I don't know enough about them to risk the money on one, wait a second...

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o355/banshee207/FullSizeRender%203_zpsnhhpuwc9.jpg
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o355/banshee207/FullSizeRender%202_zpstmfiln99.jpg

Well hot damn!

Now I need to do some research on who Lt Col Fred VonSholly was and wow, he paid $21.85 for it in 1965

One of 3025 built for the national match and one of only 172 sold through the DCM!
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 I would have gone straight to the nearest ATM for cash advance on my CC's.  Can't get over the hand-checkering of the front strap
Link Posted: 6/15/2016 1:42:57 AM EDT
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I came prepared with a wad of cash as I was planning on picking up a 45 and maybe another 22 can before my trust is almost worthless.

I did only plunk down $1K on it to hold it though until I could research it a bit more but I have paid more for a stock 1945 GI Colt than I'm paying for this pistol so I'm still giddy!
Link Posted: 6/15/2016 1:54:05 AM EDT
[#3]
Looks nice. And I agree with doing the research on who owned it. Always nice to know the history of the firearm.

ETA: NM
Link Posted: 6/15/2016 2:31:43 AM EDT
[#4]
wow
nice find
Link Posted: 6/15/2016 2:58:33 AM EDT
[#5]
Could you post a picture of the front strap straight on? I don't want to fake one. But that looks cool. I might try a narrow checker on a modern frame.
Link Posted: 6/15/2016 3:01:13 AM EDT
[#6]
Shoot me an IM with your email and be patient and I will get one for you.

The gun did not come home with me yet but probably will in a week. I wanted to research it a bit and make sure I wasn't being impulsive
Link Posted: 6/15/2016 8:32:44 AM EDT
[#7]
Nice find.  A quick search for Fred goes here.  https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11896276/
Link Posted: 6/15/2016 8:48:10 AM EDT
[#8]
Thanks, I found that one as well but it's to small to read and the "free trial" to get
It so its readable requires putting in credit card info.
Link Posted: 6/15/2016 9:06:36 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/15/2016 8:06:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Definitely a Camp Perry gun. Looking at the checkering on yours, it looks like yours and mine may have been built by the same guy. Mine:

Link Posted: 6/15/2016 8:42:26 PM EDT
[#11]
Very nice!

What manufacturer frame and slide is yours?
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 5:12:29 PM EDT
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Very nice!

What manufacturer frame and slide is yours?
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It's a 1945 Remington - Rand (looks like yours may be also - ask Olgunner) with a Colt NM slide. Supposedly built by an armorer at Ft. Bragg who built pistols for the AMU and Delta. The slide won't drop on an empty mag, but the minute you slam a full mag home, it does. It was tuned to save that split-second. Amazing trigger, and you can see your reflection in the feed ramps.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 7:34:41 PM EDT
[#13]
Haha, you're right!

I didn't even look up the serial number and took their word that it was an Ithica and turns out it is a Remington Rand

Doesn't really matter to me though really in the big picture, I'm happy either way.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 8:08:06 PM EDT
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Haha, you're right!

I didn't even look up the serial number and took their word that it was an Ithica and turns out it is a Remington Rand

Doesn't really matter to me though really in the big picture, I'm happy either way.
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Both were made in upstate NY, where I'm from. About an hour apart. If you do research, you will find that Remington-Rand was responsible for most of the improvements that made the 1911 the 1911-A1 - for one, the one piece slide. Colt adopted the changes. Most 'Camp Perry' guns were built on Remington Rand frames - think that was an accident? I would love an Ithaca someday... Olgunner sent me an original RR slide for my birthday some years back - have never mounted it. Might have to for pics. FWIW, the NM slide on mine has a little rust from blood spatter and the barrel markings have been ground out. Delta gun? Could be. The old man I talked to was abut the right age, and actually called me to ask me if I were going to resell it or not. Apparently, "No way in hell, this is my dream 1911" was apparently the right answer. I paid a grand shipped. He lived in N.C. BTW....
Link Posted: 7/23/2016 10:18:50 PM EDT
[#15]
Hey there I did some quick googling and I think I found your man.  There is an article in the Sandusky Register from July 2, 1962, page 18, which states (referring to the National Matches):

This year, Lieutenant Colonel Fred W. Von Sholly. from Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md., will be the Ordnance Officer.
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So your gun was actually owned by the Ordnance Officer for the 1962 National Match.

This text came from an OCR reader, but the it made quite a few mistakes, making the text hard to get anything else from. I bet if you wanted to however you could get a copy from a library or something. I like chasing down history... have fun!

Source: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11896276/
Link Posted: 7/23/2016 10:31:02 PM EDT
[#16]
Thanks, I think I saw a link to the same article but wanted me to sign up for some service for like $18 to read it. I will see what I can drum up through the library then.
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