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Posted: 4/7/2016 11:04:37 AM EDT
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What happens when you pack with it flachettes?? |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 11:15:52 AM EDT
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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless
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Posted: 4/7/2016 11:21:53 AM EDT
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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 11:32:38 AM EDT
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Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. 18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions (a) As used in this chapter— (5) The term “shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. (6) The term “short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. (16) The term “antique firearm” means— (A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or (B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica— (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or (C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 11:33:16 AM EDT
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No Federal law against it and considering OP is in LA I doubt there is a problem at the state level either
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Posted: 4/7/2016 11:37:42 AM EDT
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Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. Ignore me............ 
My understanding, it depends on the action and whether primers or caps are utilized. Modern muzzle loaders using inline primers to ignite the charge are subject to NFA regs. Primers are not historical whereas the historical style caps are. If the firearm uses modern copy of an antique design firing system, then no. http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/qb/atf-quarterly-bulletin-1998-volume-3.html#muzzle |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 11:39:24 AM EDT
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18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions (a) As used in this chapter— (5) The term “shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. (6) The term “short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. (16) The term “antique firearm” means— (A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or (B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica— (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or (C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. 18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions (a) As used in this chapter— (5) The term “shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. (6) The term “short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. (16) The term “antique firearm” means— (A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or (B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica— (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or (C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. Anything loaded from the muzzle using black powder that cannot take fixed ammunition meets the definition of “antique firearm” in 18 U.S. Code § 921 |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 11:58:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My understanding, it depends on the action and whether primers or caps are utilized. Modern muzzle loaders using inline primers to ignite the charge are subject to NFA regs. Primers are not historical whereas the historical style caps are. If the firearm uses modern copy of an antique design firing system, then no. http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/qb/atf-quarterly-bulletin-1998-volume-3.html#muzzle Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. My understanding, it depends on the action and whether primers or caps are utilized. Modern muzzle loaders using inline primers to ignite the charge are subject to NFA regs. Primers are not historical whereas the historical style caps are. If the firearm uses modern copy of an antique design firing system, then no. http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/qb/atf-quarterly-bulletin-1998-volume-3.html#muzzle https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/federal-firearms-licensees-newsletter-february-2005/download |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 12:01:01 PM EDT
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Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity.
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Posted: 4/7/2016 12:21:35 PM EDT
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Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. LOL! Hey, I for one am impressed. Looks like fun! |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 12:23:47 PM EDT
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Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. My thoughts.. |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 12:27:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/7/2016 12:39:48 PM EDT
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That's an awesome turkey gun. Good for reenactments as well.
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Posted: 4/7/2016 1:10:44 PM EDT
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That is the most awesome thing I've seen all day!
Any pics of the barrel insert? |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 1:55:33 PM EDT
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Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 2:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's an awesome turkey gun. Good for reenactments as well. |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 2:46:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping.
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Posted: 4/7/2016 2:55:15 PM EDT
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Heck ya, I may do the same thing. Muzzle loading 203 golf ball chucker in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. 
Golf ball launchers are stupid fun
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Posted: 4/7/2016 3:53:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Iron_Airship/golfballlauncher.jpg Golf ball launchers are stupid fun Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Iron_Airship/golfballlauncher.jpg Golf ball launchers are stupid fun |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 3:54:06 PM EDT
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Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Iron_Airship/golfballlauncher.jpg Golf ball launchers are stupid fun blanks |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 4:00:31 PM EDT
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Suddenly I have a new want. Nice work, OP.
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Posted: 4/7/2016 4:01:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/7/2016 4:04:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryI would assume live rounds would explode the barrel 
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Posted: 4/7/2016 4:04:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is the most awesome thing I've seen all day! Any pics of the barrel insert? |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 5:08:08 PM EDT
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I love my golf ball launcher too! I need more room like you though, KKID, I am all woods here.
Cant wait to see the fresh parts! |
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Posted: 4/8/2016 1:17:03 AM EDT
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Can't wait to see the new pics.
I absolutely love this type of stuff! Oooooh.....Just had an idea!
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Posted: 4/8/2016 6:12:19 AM EDT
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Awesomeness level of this thread: Eleven.
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Posted: 4/8/2016 1:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't wait to see the new pics. I absolutely love this type of stuff! Oooooh.....Just had an idea! http://az321826.vo.msecnd.net/6296bc8112c245309be1258f3a08eb6a/Images/Products4220-1200x800-93618.jpg |
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Posted: 4/12/2016 5:08:24 PM EDT
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Updated with some new photos in the OP.
Just when I thought I was satisfied with my current firing mechanism I've already come up with some new ideas  . This project has become a monster. |
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Posted: 4/12/2016 6:52:03 PM EDT
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This entire thread has a real "hey y'all, watch this; somebody hold my beer"! feel to it. As someone who escaped the East Coast for rural Alabama at age 16 -- I can relate.
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Posted: 4/12/2016 8:16:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This entire thread has a real "hey y'all, watch this; somebody hold my beer"! feel to it. As someone who escaped the East Coast for rural Alabama at age 16 -- I can relate. |
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Posted: 4/13/2016 6:42:38 PM EDT
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This entire thread has a real "hey y'all, watch this; somebody hold my beer"! feel to it. As someone who escaped the East Coast for rural Alabama at age 16 -- I can relate. No, no, you misunderstand me. I am all in! |
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Posted: 4/13/2016 8:05:07 PM EDT
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No, no, you misunderstand me. I am all in! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This entire thread has a real "hey y'all, watch this; somebody hold my beer"! feel to it. As someone who escaped the East Coast for rural Alabama at age 16 -- I can relate. No, no, you misunderstand me. I am all in! Hold my beer.  Redneck for, "It's my turn to play."
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Posted: 4/13/2016 9:21:09 PM EDT
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Right now I'm working on a new trigger group and working on the math for ballistic performance.
I'd like to be able to get similar ballistic performance from a rifled 12gauge barrel as a desert eagle loaded with .50ae 200gr+ projectile at 1500fps is my goal for shots out to 150yd, but still looking into it. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 1:26:22 PM EDT
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By far one of the most interesting threads ive seen on this forum..
A blooper would be fun as all get out built like this.. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 7:02:10 AM EDT
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Update: 4/27/16
My barrel blanks must are being held hostage. Still no shipping notice. Meanwhile I've been thinking ahead and feel that he best direction for the firing mechanism is to make it compatible with all airsoft 40mm launchers. That means the M79 and scar launchers .etc The new mechanism fits inside a 40mm shell and ejects after each shot. It doesn't contain the primer or anything that would make into a cartridge it is purely mechanical. The only downside is that the usable barrel length is reduced by up to 2". That means with the m203 the actual usable barrel may be 8"- 10" long. The plus side is not having to come up with a unique mechanism for every available airsoft launcher. I can return to the hold mechanism if 37mm barrels ever become available. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:04:37 AM EDT
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Tech-Com,
Do you think the all metal airsoft M203's are robust enough for the 37mm shells that are available on the market? I was wondering if it would be possible to turn one of the barrels to remove the fake rifling and have a 37mm sleeve made and inserted. I know we're talking a sleeve with a wall thickness of only 1.5mm. Just thinking out loud. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 4:34:37 AM EDT
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Had some questions about authentic M203 handguards and the airsoft ones. So here is a quick guide to help distinguish them.
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Posted: 5/27/2016 11:54:52 PM EDT
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That m203 muzzle loader made me smile!
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Posted: 6/16/2016 1:36:25 AM EDT
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Whose ready for another update?
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Posted: 6/16/2016 5:47:57 AM EDT
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Whose ready for another update? 
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Posted: 6/16/2016 6:43:56 AM EDT
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Whose ready for another update?
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Posted: 6/16/2016 6:54:29 AM EDT
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The numbers on the M203 handguard are not the serial number. The first is the part number/drawing number. The second number is the CAGE (Commercial and Government Entity) code which ids the manufacturer which is Precision Standard, Ferndale, MI.
--fjruple |
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Posted: 6/16/2016 10:53:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The numbers on the M203 handguard are not the serial number. The first is the part number/drawing number. The second number is the CAGE (Commercial and Government Entity) code which ids the manufacturer which is Precision Standard, Ferndale, MI. --fjruple |
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Posted: 6/16/2016 12:26:41 PM EDT
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Whose ready for another update? Waiting ever so impatiently
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Posted: 6/16/2016 1:07:21 PM EDT
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No video??
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Posted: 6/17/2016 11:54:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No video??  |
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Posted: 6/17/2016 11:31:32 PM EDT
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This isn't my planned update, I might need another day to get that ready, but I can show off some of the buckshot options using available wads.
I believe #2 will be my preferred choice since it stacks uniform in the wad and will perform better at longer ranges. 00buckshot has been working just fine but you can't throw as much lead downrange when using a wad as you can with slightly smaller shot.  |
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Posted: 6/18/2016 12:44:36 AM EDT
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While y'all on the next update I thought I'd share my trigger design.
For me safety comes before everything else in this project and I knew there were just too many variables to trust the homemade fire control groups I've designed. I redesigned the fire-control group around a slightly modified ar15 hammer and trigger. This ensures the contact surfaces are milspec hardened and safety will not be compromised with prolonged use. The mechanism cocks by moving the barrel forward and then backwards very similar to the real m203. The real m203 is cocked on the forward motion, mine the backward motion. The firing pin is spring loaded to prevent slamfires. I've ordered some aluminum stock to make a prototype 37mm barrel.  |
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