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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:34:18 PM EDT
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Looking at the picture of the 20" A1, it appears they used the picture of a Gov't profile A2 barrel? Looks a little heavy up front.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 5:38:44 PM EDT
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Looking at the picture of the 20" A1, it appears they used the picture of a Gov't profile A2 barrel? Looks a little heavy up front. Appears so. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 7:00:50 PM EDT
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You can get the pencil dissy barrel without a bayolug..... Perfect 605 barrel for $150.00 that doesn't need a shitload of work done to it.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 7:34:17 PM EDT
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Saw those last night. Was about to order a dissy barrel when I noticed they are not threaded at the muzzle.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 7:41:02 PM EDT
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Saw those last night. Was about to order a dissy barrel when I noticed they are not threaded at the muzzle. They gotta be chopped an inch anyway for a 605, the gasport is already opened up and you can get it without a bayolug..... Shit, I am gonna call them tomorrow from work if they are open Saturday. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:27:15 PM EDT
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They gotta be chopped an inch anyway for a 605, the gasport is already opened up and you can get it without a bayolug..... Shit, I am gonna call them tomorrow from work if they are open Saturday. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw those last night. Was about to order a dissy barrel when I noticed they are not threaded at the muzzle. They gotta be chopped an inch anyway for a 605, the gasport is already opened up and you can get it without a bayolug..... Shit, I am gonna call them tomorrow from work if they are open Saturday. Valid point, I did consider. They got a $100 bucks from me anyway for one of the FN good condition M16A2 barrels. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:56:04 PM EDT
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Valid point, I did consider. They got a $100 bucks from me anyway for one of the FN good condition M16A2 barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw those last night. Was about to order a dissy barrel when I noticed they are not threaded at the muzzle. They gotta be chopped an inch anyway for a 605, the gasport is already opened up and you can get it without a bayolug..... Shit, I am gonna call them tomorrow from work if they are open Saturday. Valid point, I did consider. They got a $100 bucks from me anyway for one of the FN good condition M16A2 barrels. What does "Plain Muzzle" mean? sounds to me like in addition to cutting it another inch, it will have to be threaded for a FH. Sounds like a job for Mr. Thomas. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:06:30 PM EDT
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What does "Plain Muzzle" mean? sounds to me like in addition to cutting it another inch, it will have to be threaded for a FH. Sounds like a job for Mr. Thomas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw those last night. Was about to order a dissy barrel when I noticed they are not threaded at the muzzle. They gotta be chopped an inch anyway for a 605, the gasport is already opened up and you can get it without a bayolug..... Shit, I am gonna call them tomorrow from work if they are open Saturday. Valid point, I did consider. They got a $100 bucks from me anyway for one of the FN good condition M16A2 barrels. What does "Plain Muzzle" mean? sounds to me like in addition to cutting it another inch, it will have to be threaded for a FH. Sounds like a job for Mr. Thomas. But if you cut it you'd have to re thread it anyway. 
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:27:33 AM EDT
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seen they had a stripped A1 slick side upper on sale there also
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:52:30 AM EDT
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seen they had a stripped A1 slick side upper on sale there also M16, there's no such thing as an 'A1 slickside'
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Posted: 5/23/2015 2:13:44 AM EDT
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M16, there's no such thing as an 'A1 slickside'
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seen they had a stripped A1 slick side upper on sale there also M16, there's no such thing as an 'A1 slickside'
I thought the 604 was otherwise an A1? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 2:23:13 AM EDT
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seen they had a stripped A1 slick side upper on sale there also M16, there's no such thing as an 'A1 slickside'
I thought the 604 was otherwise an A1? Technically No, because the design predates the A1. The forward assist is what makes an A1 receiver an A1, even though the XM16E1 had a forward assist, it was basically an experimental that led to the A1 along with other improvements to the lower, etc, etc. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 2:40:53 AM EDT
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USAF bought guns that were otherwise A1s, without the FA.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 2:45:32 AM EDT
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USAF bought guns that were otherwise A1s, without the FA. Yeah, they were classified as M16A1's too...and they technically are, but the slick side uppers aren't A1 if you get what I am trying to say. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 2:46:19 AM EDT
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Ok I get it now.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 6:46:45 AM EDT
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Looking at the picture of the 20" A1, it appears they used the picture of a Gov't profile A2 barrel? Looks a little heavy up front. Good catch, just read the description and got excited. 
I actually did buy one of the FN A2 barrels though, we'll see how those turn out. I really thought the dissy barrel was a good deal though especially for a 605 clone where people don't really want to cut down a 20" A1 barrel. Edit: It looks like the 20" A1 and FN A2 barrels are out of stock. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 2:18:56 PM EDT
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Those dissy barrels are one sale today for $135, that was the sign I needed to get one, but they are sold out of the non-bayo lugs ones, but I'm sure John T. doen't charge much more for that if he's 605-ing it for you.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 5:46:25 PM EDT
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Wow, I knew all of those would go fast. Still lurking on Fulton and dithering....
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Posted: 5/24/2015 7:26:21 AM EDT
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Saw this at Fulton Armory, just passing it along. https://www.fulton-armory.com/barrelfa16m4gicontourcm1x9threadedchromelined-1-1-1-1-1-1.aspx They have this also, Colt Dissipator 16" barrel https://www.fulton-armory.com/barrelfa16m4gicontourcm1x9threadedchromelined-1-1-1.aspx I appreciate the heads up on this! Throwing around my options I decided to pull the trigger on this USGI Colt M16A1 16" barrel for my up coming 605 project. The price of $134.96 was righteous! Why so cheap is what I'm asking myself? Will have pic's and I'll see if I change around to my retro Colt FSB and front cap. Then to Mr. Thomas for cutting of final barrel length/threads and pinning of 3 prong flash hider. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 9:07:58 AM EDT
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Any idea if those 16" cut-down barrels are 0.625" at the gas block? Figured I'd ask because of the concerns about the 20", but that price is really attractive.
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Posted: 5/24/2015 10:38:14 AM EDT
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Any idea if those 16" cut-down barrels are 0.625" at the gas block? Figured I'd ask because of the concerns about the 20", but that price is really attractive. My same thoughts before I ordered mine. It was either wait until Tuesday and call for verification and then possibly being sold out then. Or roll the dice and order now. I'm more than certain it's .625 and not .750 due to advertised as a Colt USGI M16A1 1-12 chrome lined barrel. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 2:20:54 PM EDT
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Ordered the dissy barrel with lug; currently no option without lug. At that price it's still worth it to have the lug removed, barrel cut, threaded, and fh pinned. Otherwise I may have held on to a Colt 20" never actually having the nerve to have it chopped. And it would cost much more as well.
Apparently Fulton also had 20" A2 take offs for $100(?). sorry I missed that! |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 6:51:04 PM EDT
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I see these are now OOS (Out Of Stock). We'll see with in the next week or so if this was a good purchase for a 605 ort not. I bet it was......
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:52:18 PM EDT
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Fulton Armory sent email today stating this new Colt M16A1 barrel shipped today and to arrive Monday. Full report once it arrives for 605 owners, and inquiring minds.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:03:23 PM EDT
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They say the Dissy barrels have the gas port opened up, but I would make damn sure it runs properly before pinning a FH. From what I've been told every 605 is a little different, and may need a slightly different port. Just something to consider.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 4:14:55 AM EDT
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They say the Dissy barrels have the gas port opened up, but I would make damn sure it runs properly before pinning a FH. From what I've been told every 605 is a little different, and may need a slightly different port. Just something to consider. I concur Morg. This barrel will be going to John Thomas for final inspection & assembly. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 4:44:59 AM EDT
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They say the Dissy barrels have the gas port opened up, but I would make damn sure it runs properly before pinning a FH. From what I've been told every 605 is a little different, and may need a slightly different port. Just something to consider. Mine had to be opened up to the maximum, I don't know the size exactly (.110)? I didn't do the work but was told that it was under gassed at first, it wouldn't even run reliably with a Standard Carbine buffer let alone a rifle buffer and spring. Right now it's sitting in a box in pieces and will be rebuilt and gone over again this summer now that I have the Early 604 project and IDF Carbine finished. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 7:28:20 AM EDT
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Mine had to be opened up to the maximum, I don't know the size exactly (.110)? I didn't do the work but was told that it was under gassed at first, it wouldn't even run reliably with a Standard Carbine buffer let alone a rifle buffer and spring. Right now it's sitting in a box in pieces and will be rebuilt and gone over again this summer now that I have the Early 604 project and IDF Carbine finished. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They say the Dissy barrels have the gas port opened up, but I would make damn sure it runs properly before pinning a FH. From what I've been told every 605 is a little different, and may need a slightly different port. Just something to consider. Mine had to be opened up to the maximum, I don't know the size exactly (.110)? I didn't do the work but was told that it was under gassed at first, it wouldn't even run reliably with a Standard Carbine buffer let alone a rifle buffer and spring. Right now it's sitting in a box in pieces and will be rebuilt and gone over again this summer now that I have the Early 604 project and IDF Carbine finished. HipShot, is your barrel one of the Fulton Armory advertised Colt M16A1 16" Dissipator's that started this original thread, or are you talking a different barrel? Thx. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 10:06:38 AM EDT
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HipShot, is your barrel one of the Fulton Armory advertised Colt M16A1 16" Dissipator's that started this original thread, or are you talking a different barrel? Thx. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They say the Dissy barrels have the gas port opened up, but I would make damn sure it runs properly before pinning a FH. From what I've been told every 605 is a little different, and may need a slightly different port. Just something to consider. Mine had to be opened up to the maximum, I don't know the size exactly (.110)? I didn't do the work but was told that it was under gassed at first, it wouldn't even run reliably with a Standard Carbine buffer let alone a rifle buffer and spring. Right now it's sitting in a box in pieces and will be rebuilt and gone over again this summer now that I have the Early 604 project and IDF Carbine finished. HipShot, is your barrel one of the Fulton Armory advertised Colt M16A1 16" Dissipator's that started this original thread, or are you talking a different barrel? Thx. It's a Colt C MP C that I picked up for $150.00.... It already had it's bayonet Lug shaved and a Muzzle device pinned, it came from a guy in New Jersey. It was a perfect 605 barrel as it had been altered for NJ laws. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 8:52:19 PM EDT
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My 20" FN barrel shipped today, we'll see how it looks when it arrives.
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Posted: 6/1/2015 2:43:45 PM EDT
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The Brown truck just delivered my USGI 16" M16A1 Colt Dissipator 1-12 twist barrel (will have pictures tonight). Barrel is 16" long, cut and chamfered. Came with barrel nut and extension. Chamber and barrel chrome. No markings on barrel that I could tell who manufacture was? Barrel has dry cosmoline and paper wrapping around most of barrel. FSB complete and is marked Colt with bell w/taper pins, bayonet lug. .625 diameter. Fulton-Armory said gas hole opened up. I'm sure it was since the front hand guard cap is on with gas hole at 90 degree's when FSB was re installed. Not sure of gas hole diameter? Will have John Thomas check it when I send it off to him.
Overall a great deal in my opinion at $134.95 plus shipping. Fulton-Armory said it's a Colt, but no marking on barrel to substantiate claim. But definitely M16A1 USGI replacement and correct diameter from start to finish. This will make a great 15" Model 605 barrel once my NDS 604 upper arrives this summer. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:27:47 PM EDT
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Here are my pictures for the Fulton-Armory USGI M16A1 16" Dissipator, Colt barrels. I've yet to clean it up, but I believe it will clean up fine. This barrel will be great for my up coming Model 605 project. I have everything now except my NDS 604 upper. Anyone on idea's if this is really a USGI Colt M16A1 replacement barrel since it is not marked Colt?
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:36:07 PM EDT
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Here are my pictures for the Fulton-Armory USGI M16A1 16" Dissipator, Colt barrels. I've yet to clean it up, but I believe it will clean up fine. This barrel will be great for my up coming Model 605 project. I have everything now except my NDS 604 upper. Anyone on idea's if this is really a USGI Colt M16A1 replacement barrel since it is not marked Colt? <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141637_zpsdeeh8vy7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141637_zpsdeeh8vy7.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141651_zpsyjmfn73s.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141651_zpsyjmfn73s.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141727_zpsvwuzp9mh.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141727_zpsvwuzp9mh.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141801_zpsurqrc8zs.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141801_zpsurqrc8zs.jpg</a> FSB is Colt. Any indications the taper pins have been removed? I assume they have been to open up the gas port. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 6:04:42 PM EDT
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Here are my pictures for the Fulton-Armory USGI M16A1 16" Dissipator, Colt barrels. I've yet to clean it up, but I believe it will clean up fine. This barrel will be great for my up coming Model 605 project. I have everything now except my NDS 604 upper. Anyone on idea's if this is really a USGI Colt M16A1 replacement barrel since it is not marked Colt? <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141637_zpsdeeh8vy7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141637_zpsdeeh8vy7.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141651_zpsyjmfn73s.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141651_zpsyjmfn73s.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141727_zpsvwuzp9mh.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141727_zpsvwuzp9mh.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141801_zpsurqrc8zs.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141801_zpsurqrc8zs.jpg</a> FSB is Colt. Any indications the taper pins have been removed? I assume they have been to open up the gas port. You are correct Lionel on the FSB being removed at one time. Hopefully to open the gas hole. But we know the FSB has been off due to the hand guard front cap plate is off center 90 degree's. Look closely at picture 2 & 3. It's been off for some reason. Hopefully for .110 gas hole opening. Any indications this is a OEM Colt M16A1 replacement barrel? Thx. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 6:10:20 PM EDT
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You are correct Lionel on the FSB being removed at one time. Hopefully to open the gas hole. But we know the FSB has been off due to the hand guard front cap plate is off center 90 degree's. Look closely at picture 2 & 3. It's been off for some reason. Hopefully for .110 gas hole opening. Any indications this is a OEM Colt M16A1 replacement barrel? Thx. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here are my pictures for the Fulton-Armory USGI M16A1 16" Dissipator, Colt barrels. I've yet to clean it up, but I believe it will clean up fine. This barrel will be great for my up coming Model 605 project. I have everything now except my NDS 604 upper. Anyone on idea's if this is really a USGI Colt M16A1 replacement barrel since it is not marked Colt? <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141637_zpsdeeh8vy7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141637_zpsdeeh8vy7.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141651_zpsyjmfn73s.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141651_zpsyjmfn73s.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141727_zpsvwuzp9mh.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141727_zpsvwuzp9mh.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141801_zpsurqrc8zs.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141801_zpsurqrc8zs.jpg</a> FSB is Colt. Any indications the taper pins have been removed? I assume they have been to open up the gas port. You are correct Lionel on the FSB being removed at one time. Hopefully to open the gas hole. But we know the FSB has been off due to the hand guard front cap plate is off center 90 degree's. Look closely at picture 2 & 3. It's been off for some reason. Hopefully for .110 gas hole opening. Any indications this is a OEM Colt M16A1 replacement barrel? Thx. the HG cap can spin without the gas tube so it's not really an indication of a FSB removal. usually removing and reinstalling a FSB will have punch marks on the FSB or dents/punch marks on the pins itself. as far as the markings on the barrel do, really easly ones have C marked extensions but by the time they went to the C and bell FSBs, most were C MP CHROME BORE barrels and those were the only markings and would have been lost when cut off. my best guess is that these are C MP CHROME BORE barrels that were torch cut at the threads for demilling. they cut it to 16" and opened up the gas port to give them a second chance. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 7:04:18 PM EDT
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the HG cap can spin without the gas tube so it's not really an indication of a FSB removal. usually removing and reinstalling a FSB will have punch marks on the FSB or dents/punch marks on the pins itself. as far as the markings on the barrel do, really easly ones have C marked extensions but by the time they went to the C and bell FSBs, most were C MP CHROME BORE barrels and those were the only markings and would have been lost when cut off. my best guess is that these are C MP CHROME BORE barrels that were torch cut at the threads for demilling. they cut it to 16" and opened up the gas port to give them a second chance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here are my pictures for the Fulton-Armory USGI M16A1 16" Dissipator, Colt barrels. I've yet to clean it up, but I believe it will clean up fine. This barrel will be great for my up coming Model 605 project. I have everything now except my NDS 604 upper. Anyone on idea's if this is really a USGI Colt M16A1 replacement barrel since it is not marked Colt? <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141637_zpsdeeh8vy7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141637_zpsdeeh8vy7.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141651_zpsyjmfn73s.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141651_zpsyjmfn73s.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141727_zpsvwuzp9mh.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141727_zpsvwuzp9mh.jpg</a> <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/bwagss/media/20150601_141801_zpsurqrc8zs.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/20150601_141801_zpsurqrc8zs.jpg</a> FSB is Colt. Any indications the taper pins have been removed? I assume they have been to open up the gas port. You are correct Lionel on the FSB being removed at one time. Hopefully to open the gas hole. But we know the FSB has been off due to the hand guard front cap plate is off center 90 degree's. Look closely at picture 2 & 3. It's been off for some reason. Hopefully for .110 gas hole opening. Any indications this is a OEM Colt M16A1 replacement barrel? Thx. the HG cap can spin without the gas tube so it's not really an indication of a FSB removal. usually removing and reinstalling a FSB will have punch marks on the FSB or dents/punch marks on the pins itself. as far as the markings on the barrel do, really easly ones have C marked extensions but by the time they went to the C and bell FSBs, most were C MP CHROME BORE barrels and those were the only markings and would have been lost when cut off. my best guess is that these are C MP CHROME BORE barrels that were torch cut at the threads for demilling. they cut it to 16" and opened up the gas port to give them a second chance. Thanks Lionel for clearing this up for me. I thought the same about the missing markings due to a shorter barrel cutting process. Your opinion is respected and puts this to rest for me. Thanks again, Sir! |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:05:33 PM EDT
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This will make a great 15" Model 605 barrel once my NDS 604 upper arrives this summer. CNC machining on the NDS 604 upper receiver forgings begins this week (approx. 6/3/2015). Harlan NoDak Spud LLC |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 1:25:44 AM EDT
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Check the Bore, if it's chrome lined, it's most likely a C MP Chrome Bore barrel cut down to 16 inches like LL said.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:05:55 AM EDT
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CNC machining on the NDS 604 upper receiver forgings begins this week (approx. 6/3/2015). Harlan NoDak Spud LLC Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This will make a great 15" Model 605 barrel once my NDS 604 upper arrives this summer. CNC machining on the NDS 604 upper receiver forgings begins this week (approx. 6/3/2015). Harlan NoDak Spud LLC Outstanding Harlan! Your products are worth waiting for. Thank you. And HipSh0t, chrome chamber and bore. Finally, for once I pat myself on the back finding a steal. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 9:42:46 AM EDT
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Outstanding Harlan! Your products are worth waiting for. Thank you. And HipSh0t, chrome chamber and bore. Finally, for once I pat myself on the back finding a steal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This will make a great 15" Model 605 barrel once my NDS 604 upper arrives this summer. CNC machining on the NDS 604 upper receiver forgings begins this week (approx. 6/3/2015). Harlan NoDak Spud LLC Outstanding Harlan! Your products are worth waiting for. Thank you. And HipSh0t, chrome chamber and bore. Finally, for once I pat myself on the back finding a steal. Yeah, good deal.... makes me wish I picked one up to have a full chrome lined 605 barrel as well. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 2:03:20 PM EDT
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This will make a great 15" Model 605 barrel once my NDS 604 upper arrives this summer. CNC machining on the NDS 604 upper receiver forgings begins this week (approx. 6/3/2015). Harlan NoDak Spud LLC 
My 609 might be a 610 if these become available before I find a XM upper. |
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