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Posted: 1/26/2015 7:16:10 PM EDT
Hey guys, any of you that have a 608 (survivor carbine) stock, can you give me a couple dimensions? I assume that the stock is supposed to fit a regular rifle buffer tube? Can you give me the height X width of the butt? And what about the OAL of the tube?
A member here in retro that bought one recently has sent it to me to look over/blueprint, and I would like to compare it to another...........maybe an Uncle Moak stock? Thanks, Stoner |
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I've got a unclemoak stock. E mail me your mailing imfo
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I've got a unclemoak stock. E mail me your mailing imfo And I'll put her in the mail. View Quote Trimdad, I'm not wanting anyone to send me their stock, if that is what you are saying by asking for my mailing info. (at least not at this time) I have this one in hand, and just need the couple measurements. I'm assuming the stock is supposed to fit a rifle buffer tube, correct? ............and a tape measure measurement of the butt would do. (You're a finish carpenter, right? ........within a 1/16 would be close enough) Thanks, Stoner |
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Lou, the original 608 stocks were designed for the rifle tube,, the 601/602 type tube with UN-modified rear end.
I have 3 Unclemoak stocks. All butt plates measure 4 7/8 tall,, and 2 1/16 wide at it's widest. Overall length is different on all three. 4 1/8,,,4 1/4,, 4 5/16 The problem here is that Uncle used pictures and made up ratio formulas (using other known sized parts on the 608s in the pics) to get his measurements. He mentioned it in his original thread. Uncle also drilled his hole for the screw "centered" in the tube so these will screw right to a standard tube. That is NOT what was done on the originals. HTH. |
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Anyone every stumble across the pics of the 608ish stock that has the flat spring/ball retainer looking setup? I recall it's on a Japanese captioned website, but I can't find it now that I'm looking |
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... Uncle also drilled his hole for the screw "centered" in the tube so these will screw right to a standard tube. That is NOT what was done on the originals. HTH. View Quote This is a timely conversation. I am "re-building" my 608 right now (you know you have ran out of "retro AR15" projects, when you are re-building a 608 ). In fact, I just anodized the lower tonight. The long pole is the Form 1, which has only been out for about 3 months or so. M1sniper, how were the original 608 stocks attached to the buffer tube? Thanks, John Thomas |
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Off set of center to the 12 O'clock so when stock is screwed on it won't rotate. That will require you to weld over the existing hole in the buffer tube and relocate it higher,then match the hole in the stock to line up with it.
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Lou, the original 608 stocks were designed for the rifle tube,, the 601/602 type tube with UN-modified rear end. I have 3 Unclemoak stocks. All butt plates measure 4 7/8 tall,, and 2 1/16 wide at it's widest. Overall length is different on all three. 4 1/8,,,4 1/4,, 4 5/16 The problem here is that Uncle used pictures and made up ratio formulas (using other known sized parts on the 608s in the pics) to get his measurements. He mentioned it in his original thread. Uncle also drilled his hole for the screw "centered" in the tube so these will screw right to a standard tube. That is NOT what was done on the originals. HTH. View Quote Rob, this info helps immensely. The one I have in hand measures 1.9 across, which looks out of proportion. It is 4 1/2 "tall". It "looks" much too wide for its' height, compared to regular rifle stocks, 607 stocks, etc. Also, you mention the Uncle Moak using the centered hole. Would I be correct to think that the originals had the hole offset from centerline to prevent the stock from rotating around the buffer tube? Also, do you know if the originals had any checkering on the plate? Thank you sir for sharing your knowledge, Louis Edit: lol....I need to learn to type faster. You guys answer all my Q's before I even ask them. |
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Rob, this info helps immensely. The one I have in hand measures 1.9 across, which looks out of proportion. It is 4 1/2 "tall". It "looks" much too wide for its' height, compared to regular rifle stocks, 607 stocks, etc. Also, you mention the Uncle Moak using the centered hole. Would I be correct to think that the originals had the hole offset from centerline to prevent the stock from rotating around the buffer tube? Also, do you know if the originals had any checkering on the plate? Thank you sir for sharing your knowledge, Louis View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lou, the original 608 stocks were designed for the rifle tube,, the 601/602 type tube with UN-modified rear end. I have 3 Unclemoak stocks. All butt plates measure 4 7/8 tall,, and 2 1/16 wide at it's widest. Overall length is different on all three. 4 1/8,,,4 1/4,, 4 5/16 The problem here is that Uncle used pictures and made up ratio formulas (using other known sized parts on the 608s in the pics) to get his measurements. He mentioned it in his original thread. Uncle also drilled his hole for the screw "centered" in the tube so these will screw right to a standard tube. That is NOT what was done on the originals. HTH. Rob, this info helps immensely. The one I have in hand measures 1.9 across, which looks out of proportion. It is 4 1/2 "tall". It "looks" much too wide for its' height, compared to regular rifle stocks, 607 stocks, etc. Also, you mention the Uncle Moak using the centered hole. Would I be correct to think that the originals had the hole offset from centerline to prevent the stock from rotating around the buffer tube? Also, do you know if the originals had any checkering on the plate? Thank you sir for sharing your knowledge, Louis See above reply. I'll have to check on checkering,,I forget off hand. |
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Also, do you know if the originals had any checkering on the plate? View Quote Louis, I can't find it now, but there's a clear picture of the butt of a 608 from that Japanese book, and it shows that it's smooth. With that said, there are at least two styles of stocks, maybe three. One appears to be light gray and just anodized. Another appears to be black and possibly coated with vinyl acetate, like the XM177 stocks. And the one in that Japanese book looks like it's black painted (you can see some fine scratches and wear to the bare metal around the edges). Also, the sling cutout is located in different places on different stocks. John Thomas |
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This picture? http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/GKCF/Internet%20photos/608jpnbook_zps75fefa05.png I can also confirm from the '65 date brochures I have the sling location is different on one of the other 608's and that it appears to have a grey matte finish. It also shows a bare aluminum buffer tube in one of the photos. Sounds good. I hope I don't break it again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, do you know if the originals had any checkering on the plate? Louis, I can't find it now, but there's a clear picture of the butt of a 608 from that Japanese book, and it shows that it's smooth. With that said, there are at least two styles of stocks, maybe three. One appears to be light gray and just anodized. Another appears to be black and possibly coated with vinyl acetate, like the XM177 stocks. And the one in that Japanese book looks like it's black painted (you can see some fine scratches and wear to the bare metal around the edges). Also, the sling cutout is located in different places on different stocks. John Thomas This picture? http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/GKCF/Internet%20photos/608jpnbook_zps75fefa05.png I can also confirm from the '65 date brochures I have the sling location is different on one of the other 608's and that it appears to have a grey matte finish. It also shows a bare aluminum buffer tube in one of the photos. Quoted:
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Is this your next, next project? LOL............ummmmmm. No. Speaking of projects, I have your lock mech. I need to run it through the park tank, and I'll give you a call. This is to help out a fellow retro head. Sounds good. I hope I don't break it again. 57, do you have a H2 or H3 buffer now? |
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Trimdad, I'm not wanting anyone to send me their stock, if that is what you are saying by asking for my mailing info. (at least not at this time) I have this one in hand, and just need the couple measurements. I'm assuming the stock is supposed to fit a rifle buffer tube, correct? ............and a tape measure measurement of the butt would do. (You're a finish carpenter, right? ........within a 1/16 would be close enough) Thanks, Stoner View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've got a unclemoak stock. E mail me your mailing imfo And I'll put her in the mail. Trimdad, I'm not wanting anyone to send me their stock, if that is what you are saying by asking for my mailing info. (at least not at this time) I have this one in hand, and just need the couple measurements. I'm assuming the stock is supposed to fit a rifle buffer tube, correct? ............and a tape measure measurement of the butt would do. (You're a finish carpenter, right? ........within a 1/16 would be close enough) Thanks, Stoner Finish carpenter yes sir. And a 1/16 is about all I can handle, If I wanted to go less than that I would have been a machinist . Looks like sniper has the Moak stocks covered |
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This picture? http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/GKCF/Internet%20photos/608jpnbook_zps75fefa05.png I can also confirm from the '65 date brochures I have the sling location is different on one of the other 608's and that it appears to have a grey matte finish. It also shows a bare aluminum buffer tube in one of the photos. Sounds good. I hope I don't break it again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, do you know if the originals had any checkering on the plate? Louis, I can't find it now, but there's a clear picture of the butt of a 608 from that Japanese book, and it shows that it's smooth. With that said, there are at least two styles of stocks, maybe three. One appears to be light gray and just anodized. Another appears to be black and possibly coated with vinyl acetate, like the XM177 stocks. And the one in that Japanese book looks like it's black painted (you can see some fine scratches and wear to the bare metal around the edges). Also, the sling cutout is located in different places on different stocks. John Thomas This picture? http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/GKCF/Internet%20photos/608jpnbook_zps75fefa05.png I can also confirm from the '65 date brochures I have the sling location is different on one of the other 608's and that it appears to have a grey matte finish. It also shows a bare aluminum buffer tube in one of the photos. Quoted:
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Is this your next, next project? LOL............ummmmmm. No. Speaking of projects, I have your lock mech. I need to run it through the park tank, and I'll give you a call. This is to help out a fellow retro head. Sounds good. I hope I don't break it again. Um...not to derail, but that colt roll mark looks...fake? (globe doesn't connect to circle edge) Are we copying a copy? or am I missing something? Please forgive my ignorance in this, as I'm not too familiar with this model... |
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FIDIVECOP...........no sir, that isn't neccessarily a fake roll mark. The early Colt's......up through at least the 607's, not sure about the 608's.......used that roll mark. If you look closely, the pony is standing relatively straight up.....his ears are clocked at about 11:30-12 o'clock, and the globe is what is known as "the floating globe". By the time of the xm177e2 (late 66) Colt went to the newer globe, which is attached to the perimeter circle, and the ponoy take a less erect stance with its' ears at about the 10:30 position.
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FIDIVECOP...........no sir, that isn't necessarily a fake roll mark. The early Colt's......up through at least the 607's, not sure about the 608's.......used that roll mark. If you look closely, the pony is standing relatively straight up.....his ears are clocked at about 11:30-12 o'clock, and the globe is what is known as "the floating globe". By the time of the xm177e2 (late 66) Colt went to the newer globe, which is attached to the perimeter circle, and the pony take a less erect stance with its' ears at about the 10:30 position. View Quote Thanks for the enlightenment. I really wasn't sure. One of the things I love about the Retro Forums - Learn something else that I'd forgotten about the past everyday... |
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Thanks for the enlightenment. I really wasn't sure. One of the things I love about the Retro Forums - Learn something else that I'd forgotten about the past everyday... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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FIDIVECOP...........no sir, that isn't necessarily a fake roll mark. The early Colt's......up through at least the 607's, not sure about the 608's.......used that roll mark. If you look closely, the pony is standing relatively straight up.....his ears are clocked at about 11:30-12 o'clock, and the globe is what is known as "the floating globe". By the time of the xm177e2 (late 66) Colt went to the newer globe, which is attached to the perimeter circle, and the pony take a less erect stance with its' ears at about the 10:30 position. Thanks for the enlightenment. I really wasn't sure. One of the things I love about the Retro Forums - Learn something else that I'd forgotten about the past everyday... I know what you mean. There are so many nuances with the various models, that something you knew yesterday you can't remember tommorrow. I'll post a reply sometimes, and just after hitting the submit button will remember that what I just wrote was wrong. Must be part of getting old. |
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This is to help out a fellow retro head. View Quote Me first! I can never get over how dayumed ugly this particular model is! But if ya got one of everything else I guess ya might as well! It's the natural progression of the disease! The 608 is like freebasing acid! |
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Me first! I can never get over how dayumed ugly this particular model is! But if ya got one of everything else I guess ya might as well! It's the natural progression of the disease! The 608 is like freebasing acid! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is to help out a fellow retro head. Me first! I can never get over how dayumed ugly this particular model is! But if ya got one of everything else I guess ya might as well! It's the natural progression of the disease! The 608 is like freebasing acid! I hear ya brother.......and good news for my retro hobby. Only one more week of this bastid shift I've been on at work. For the last 2 months I've been on a shift that has had me awake for 34-36 hours straight, 2 times a week, and switching from from day work to night work 3 times a week. It's damned near killed me......56 is too old to be doing that stuff. I know..........whine whine whine........ |
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Hey, Cal30M1 - a little OT, but I saw a pic of a garbage truck the other day with their motto painted on the side: "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your garbage back!" and thought of you. I think if I built a 608 it would have to be an SBR so it would fit under an ejection seat - I've seen survival kit holders with the cushion on top a few times on ebay. It'd be great for the truck during long trips I think...
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Hey, Cal30M1 - a little OT, but I saw a pic of a garbage truck the other day with their motto painted on the side: "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your garbage back!" and thought of you. I think if I built a 608 it would have to be an SBR so it would fit under an ejection seat - I've seen survival kit holders with the cushion on top a few times on ebay. It'd be great for the truck during long trips I think... View Quote I see garbage trucks in every movie I see! (Sets the scene as occurring in the morning. No shit!) I see the garbage cans and the dumpsters too! 31 years is a long time to be a garbage man! My wife says it did something to my brain! Under the seat is EXACTLY where to hide a fugly 608 Morg! You can proudly hang an XM177 in the back window of your pickup but you are showing your TRUE level of the sickness with a 608 and that's not something you want to air in public! |
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I see garbage trucks in every movie I see! (Sets the scene as occurring in the morning. No shit!) I see the garbage cans and the dumpsters too! 31 years is a long time to be a garbage man! My wife says it did something to my brain! Under the seat is EXACTLY where to hide a fugly 608 Morg! You can proudly hang an XM177 in the back window of your pickup but you are showing your TRUE level of the sickness with a 608 and that's not something you want to air in public! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hey, Cal30M1 - a little OT, but I saw a pic of a garbage truck the other day with their motto painted on the side: "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your garbage back!" and thought of you. I think if I built a 608 it would have to be an SBR so it would fit under an ejection seat - I've seen survival kit holders with the cushion on top a few times on ebay. It'd be great for the truck during long trips I think... I see garbage trucks in every movie I see! (Sets the scene as occurring in the morning. No shit!) I see the garbage cans and the dumpsters too! 31 years is a long time to be a garbage man! My wife says it did something to my brain! Under the seat is EXACTLY where to hide a fugly 608 Morg! You can proudly hang an XM177 in the back window of your pickup but you are showing your TRUE level of the sickness with a 608 and that's not something you want to air in public! What? Kind of like that uncle everyone has...but no one wants to claim. |
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Hey, Cal30M1 - a little OT, but I saw a pic of a garbage truck the other day with their motto painted on the side: "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your garbage back!" and thought of you. I think if I built a 608 it would have to be an SBR so it would fit under an ejection seat - I've seen survival kit holders with the cushion on top a few times on ebay. It'd be great for the truck during long trips I think... I see garbage trucks in every movie I see! (Sets the scene as occurring in the morning. No shit!) I see the garbage cans and the dumpsters too! 31 years is a long time to be a garbage man! My wife says it did something to my brain! Under the seat is EXACTLY where to hide a fugly 608 Morg! You can proudly hang an XM177 in the back window of your pickup but you are showing your TRUE level of the sickness with a 608 and that's not something you want to air in public! What? Kind of like that uncle everyone has...but no one wants to claim. Good analogy! I kept trying to work the moped/ugly girl analogy in there but if you had a hot foxy XM177, only the SICKEST of diseases would cause you to run to the arms of a moped 608! |
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Good analogy! I kept trying to work the moped/ugly girl analogy in there but if you had a hot foxy XM177, only the SICKEST of diseases would cause you to run to the arms of a moped 608! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hey, Cal30M1 - a little OT, but I saw a pic of a garbage truck the other day with their motto painted on the side: "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your garbage back!" and thought of you. I think if I built a 608 it would have to be an SBR so it would fit under an ejection seat - I've seen survival kit holders with the cushion on top a few times on ebay. It'd be great for the truck during long trips I think... I see garbage trucks in every movie I see! (Sets the scene as occurring in the morning. No shit!) I see the garbage cans and the dumpsters too! 31 years is a long time to be a garbage man! My wife says it did something to my brain! Under the seat is EXACTLY where to hide a fugly 608 Morg! You can proudly hang an XM177 in the back window of your pickup but you are showing your TRUE level of the sickness with a 608 and that's not something you want to air in public! What? Kind of like that uncle everyone has...but no one wants to claim. Good analogy! I kept trying to work the moped/ugly girl analogy in there but if you had a hot foxy XM177, only the SICKEST of diseases would cause you to run to the arms of a moped 608! Ugly girls try harder. |
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Looking at that Japanese picture,,,, is it me or Is the little round indention under the buffer tube ( for lack of it's technical term) missing? Looks flat View Quote I looked that over, too. I think there is a thin plate on there or something. The 608 in the Colt brochure... you can see the normal indention there, you've gotta really look close with it zoomed in, though. There's another picture out there somewhere, where you can see a hole drilled for a roll pin to retain the takedown pin detent and spring. John Thomas |
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I looked that over, too. I think there is a thin plate on there or something. View Quote I don't think so. If you look close, you can see the hole for the detent. If they used a plate, I would think it would be to keep the spring/detent in place instead of the roll pin they had be using. It looks to me like a purpose built lower. They knew they weren't using a traditional stock so, no need to waste machine time adding a hole they didn't need. |
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I see garbage trucks in every movie I see! (Sets the scene as occurring in the morning. No shit!) I see the garbage cans and the dumpsters too! 31 years is a long time to be a garbage man! My wife says it did something to my brain! Under the seat is EXACTLY where to hide a fugly 608 Morg! You can proudly hang an XM177 in the back window of your pickup but you are showing your TRUE level of the sickness with a 608 and that's not something you want to air in public! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hey, Cal30M1 - a little OT, but I saw a pic of a garbage truck the other day with their motto painted on the side: "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your garbage back!" and thought of you. I think if I built a 608 it would have to be an SBR so it would fit under an ejection seat - I've seen survival kit holders with the cushion on top a few times on ebay. It'd be great for the truck during long trips I think... I see garbage trucks in every movie I see! (Sets the scene as occurring in the morning. No shit!) I see the garbage cans and the dumpsters too! 31 years is a long time to be a garbage man! My wife says it did something to my brain! Under the seat is EXACTLY where to hide a fugly 608 Morg! You can proudly hang an XM177 in the back window of your pickup but you are showing your TRUE level of the sickness with a 608 and that's not something you want to air in public! I'm reading this to mean you would hide Morg under the seat? |
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Hey, Cal30M1 - a little OT, but I saw a pic of a garbage truck the other day with their motto painted on the side: "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your garbage back!" and thought of you. I think if I built a 608 it would have to be an SBR so it would fit under an ejection seat - I've seen survival kit holders with the cushion on top a few times on ebay. It'd be great for the truck during long trips I think... I see garbage trucks in every movie I see! (Sets the scene as occurring in the morning. No shit!) I see the garbage cans and the dumpsters too! 31 years is a long time to be a garbage man! My wife says it did something to my brain! Under the seat is EXACTLY where to hide a fugly 608 Morg! You can proudly hang an XM177 in the back window of your pickup but you are showing your TRUE level of the sickness with a 608 and that's not something you want to air in public! I'm reading this to mean you would hide Morg under the seat? I am the uncle no one wants to claim, after all..."Uncle Morgan? Yeah, he just ain't quite right..." |
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I am the uncle no one wants to claim, after all..."Uncle Morgan? Yeah, he just ain't quite right..." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hey, Cal30M1 - a little OT, but I saw a pic of a garbage truck the other day with their motto painted on the side: "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your garbage back!" and thought of you. I think if I built a 608 it would have to be an SBR so it would fit under an ejection seat - I've seen survival kit holders with the cushion on top a few times on ebay. It'd be great for the truck during long trips I think... I see garbage trucks in every movie I see! (Sets the scene as occurring in the morning. No shit!) I see the garbage cans and the dumpsters too! 31 years is a long time to be a garbage man! My wife says it did something to my brain! Under the seat is EXACTLY where to hide a fugly 608 Morg! You can proudly hang an XM177 in the back window of your pickup but you are showing your TRUE level of the sickness with a 608 and that's not something you want to air in public! I'm reading this to mean you would hide Morg under the seat? I am the uncle no one wants to claim, after all..."Uncle Morgan? Yeah, he just ain't quite right..." Commas are important! I LOVE words! (It's punctuation I HATE!) |
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