Uziel Gal And Yisrael Galil Assault Rifle Prototypes

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Posted: 12/20/2014 11:12:16 AM EDT

Uziel Gal worked on two rifle prototypes as Yisrael Galili worked on the "Balashnikov" prototype.

The display case shows the two Uziel Gal rifle prototypes,and the rifles made by Yisrael Galili,the "Balashnikov" prototype and the Galil.

Posted: 12/20/2014 11:22:43 AM EDT

[#1]

The Galil manual.

Posted: 12/20/2014 5:23:50 PM EDT

[#2]

Very cool, thanks for finding this! Never knew the Uzi Gal's new rifle used the Stoner 63 magazine.

I love that the first prototype Galil was just a Regular AK forged receiver (maybe Russian) with improved stock, built in bipod and ambi safety as features. Maybe it is true that IMI just wanted to do something with all the captured AK's from the wars of the late 1960s and early 1970's.

I read in a Gun magazine by a former FN representative (Carlos Davila) that IMI originally shopped Interarms in Alexandria to sell all their captured AKs & when the Interarms rep showed them the new Valmets - IMI got an idea to develop their own AK.

Dont know if it is true, but I met Mr Davila at Armscorp USA in Baltimore selling IMI FAL kits and he was very cool. He had a very cool select fire Browning 9mm pistol made by Smith Enterprises as his carry gun - how cool is that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3vREGoOhsk

Tales of the Gun - Israli, go to section 28:59 and see a IDF custom AK/Galil Hybrid which I would like to do as a "Retro".

Still waiting to spend my money on the new Galil ACE too!

Posted: 12/20/2014 5:33:49 PM EDT

[#3]

I've always loved the GAL, i read it out performed the galil it a lot of tests. Kind of a shame we never saw it in full scale production. Thanks for sharing.

Posted: 12/20/2014 6:10:08 PM EDT

[#4]

Heres a brief video on the GAL.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cb9MQ8bUjm0

Posted: 12/20/2014 6:36:27 PM EDT

[#5]

One of the great modern battle rifles - often been said. And you can use the bipod as a wire cutter and the mag release as a bottle opener!

Thanks for posting

Posted: 12/20/2014 6:46:38 PM EDT

[#6]

Love the Galil. I'd also love to have an Issy FAL...

Posted: 12/20/2014 7:16:35 PM EDT

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I think that the Galil forearm was inspired in the one used in the Gal prototype,it covers the barrel (as with the Valmet) but as the same under section for the bipod as the bipod in the "Balashnikov" does not fit in to under the forearm,and the two vertical front rear pins as in the Gal prototype.

The same with the folding butstock,the Galil as a folding stock as the Gal prototype,the "Balashnikov" the fixed AK butstock (that came with the receiver) and the Valmet used at the time used a fixed butstock tube.

The Galil was a amalgamate of features from the Uziel Gal and Yisrael Galil prototypes.

Valmet RK 62/92

Posted: 12/20/2014 7:26:10 PM EDT

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Heres a brief video on the GAL.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cb9MQ8bUjm0

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Thank you for the video...

Monumental Firearms Designs: The Uzi Gal Prototype Rifle Part I

Monumental Firearms Designs: The Uzi Gal Prototype Part II

Posted: 12/20/2014 7:58:28 PM EDT

[#9]

The fire selector is not a rotating lever but a pice that slides front and back for safe/semi/auto.

Posted: 12/20/2014 8:42:51 PM EDT

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I think that the Galil forearm was inspired in the one used in the Gal prototype,it covers the barrel (as with the Valmet) but as the same under section for the bipod as the bipod in the "Balashnikov" does not fit in to under the forearm,and the two vertical front rear pins as in the Gal prototype.

The same with the folding butstock,the Galil as a folding stock as the Gal prototype,the "Balashnikov" the fixed AK butstock (that came with the receiver) and the Valmet used at the time used a fixed butstock tube.

The Galil was a amalgamate of features from the Uziel Gal and Yisrael Galil prototypes.

Valmet RK 62/92

http://www.suomenmuseotonline.fi/fi/kuva/Suomen+Mets%C3%A4stysmuseo/lres_56081.jpg

http://www.suomenmuseotonline.fi/fi/kuva/Suomen+Mets%C3%A4stysmuseo/lres_56083.jpg

http://www.suomenmuseotonline.fi/fi/kuva/Suomen+Mets%C3%A4stysmuseo/lres_56082.jpg

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The Galil was so influenced by the Valmet that, the first Galil's were actually built on Valmet receivers.

Posted: 12/21/2014 6:32:18 AM EDT

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IDF History Museum Tel Aviv, Israel By Dan Shea

"(Top to bottom left side): 7.62 Galil SLR 1976 export model, 7.62 Galil Short barrel 1978 export model, 5.56 Galil export model 1982, 5.56 Galil short barrel export model. Right side, (top to bottom): 7.62x51mm “Uzi Gal” model 1960-63 prototype (1 of 3 using a 25 round magazine), 7.62x51mm “Gal” model 1968 prototype (1 of 6) and “Balashnikov” assault rifle. (This is a second model Russian milled receiver AK47 converted to 5.56x45mm with some Galil parts. 1 of 20 made for IDF."

The Last UZI By David Gaboury

AAI 5.56mm Plastic Magazine brochure for the M16, AR15, and Galil rifles. Courtesy Dan Shea, Small Arms Review Reference Library.

Posted: 12/21/2014 12:24:43 PM EDT

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The tales of the gun Galil hybrid. Was the the one with the old long bearded guy with a Galil front end, wood AR forearm and AK under folding stock and receiver??

Posted: 12/21/2014 12:51:26 PM EDT

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The tales of the gun Galil hybrid. Was the the one with the old long bearded guy with a Galil front end, wood AR forearm and AK under folding stock and receiver??

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That one is a home made variat,Col. Katcha-Shimon Cahaner used the barrel/forearm/bolt from a Galil and placed in a AK receiver,one can see the AK rear sight block in place,the AK receiver is lighter then the one in the Galil...a crossbreed...

...the gas tube cames from a AK and the receiver cover may be from a AK but with the Galil rear sight welded over it...

Posted: 12/21/2014 1:07:42 PM EDT

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"One indigenous design was offered by Uziel Gal, creator of the Uzi submachine gun...

Another indigenous design was offered by Yisrael Galil. His rifle was based off the Finnish RK 62. While the AK-47 and RK 62 fired the 7.62×39mm Soviet round,Galili's rifle fired the smaller 5.56×45mm M193 55-grain round. At the time, the United States was replacing France as Israel's main partner and weapons supplier. The U.S. would not supply Russian ammunition, so the design of the gun was altered to use the American cartridge.

To accommodate the smaller round, the Kalashnikov-type rifles' 4.2 mm (0.17 in) gas hole was reduced to 1.8 mm (0.071 in). Tests conducted from the end of the 1960s to the early 1970s led to Galili's rifle emerging as the winner. It was named the Galil after its designer and formally adopted as the Israeli Army's next assault rifle in 1972 to replace the FN FAL. However, issuing of the Galil was delayed by the sudden onset of the Yom Kippur War in 1973."

"Life Magazine: Israeli Soldier Cover June 23, 1967"

Posted: 12/21/2014 4:25:30 PM EDT

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The Uziel Gal prototype as a interesting design,it as a quick release/catch lever.

Between the forearm and the receiver trunnion block one can see a large circular piece,this is a exposed section of the barrel,a L shaped lever is used to act as the barrel catch and release,the pin that centers the lever operation is visible.

Posted: 12/21/2014 6:30:47 PM EDT

[#16]

Love my Galil's.

Posted: 12/21/2014 8:06:25 PM EDT

[#17]

Definitely would have been cool to have a Uzi Rifle with quick change barrel!

I also love the old school wood furniture to stay cool in the hot temps and the thought that went into the folding stock design.

From looking at al the videos and prototype pics, with a barrel extension style barrel and quick change capability in 7.62x51 would have had the capability of being everything from a CQB rifle, Designated Marksman rifle and Squad Auto with a drum mag. Uzi was making a damn SCAR rifle decades before there was even a SCAR program. Definitely a man of his times - a warrior making tools for warriors.

Nice thread!

Posted: 12/21/2014 8:16:35 PM EDT

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XXX CHALLENGE INTER ÉCOLES DE PARACHUTISME

During the European paratrooper school competition games,the host nation (Portugal) provided the Galil rifle.

No idea of his nationality.

Posted: 12/21/2014 9:29:12 PM EDT

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The Valmet prototype

"Because of pressure from the USSR following World War II, the allies required Finland to dismantle its arms industry. This ban continued until the late 1950s; at that time, Finland started work on a modified AK47. A government owned combine, Valmet, was created to do the development and production of the new rifle.

Between 1958 and 1960, a number of Kalashnikov based experimental rifles were chosen for field tests by the Finnish army; these were designated the M60 rifles. The two models differed most markedly in their triggers; one had a trigger guard and winter trigger while the other lacked a trigger guard of any sort."

Posted: 12/22/2014 5:56:52 AM EDT

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Training exercises

Posted: 12/22/2014 6:20:43 AM EDT

[#21]

I'm confused... Isn't this the Retro AR15/M16 Forum? What this thread doing in here?

ETA: Here is where this thread should be:Gilil Forum

Nice guns & all, but they're not even close to being AR15s or M16s.

Posted: 12/22/2014 7:41:17 AM EDT

[#22]

The sliding (front/back) fire selector and the receiver space for the extra trigger...

Posted: 12/22/2014 7:50:10 AM EDT

[#23]

1 / 2 / 3

Posted: 12/22/2014 11:08:31 AM EDT

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Ok, now after watching tales of the gun about 15 times yesterday and really looking at that retired IDF Colonel's hybrid AK/Galil underfolder. I'm seriously considering calling Tengalli about building one.

Posted: 12/22/2014 6:58:34 PM EDT

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Lieutenant-Colonel Uziel Gal

"In the Six-Day war the Uzi submachine-gun was still in use; but one of the lessons of this war was that more powerful assault rifles were needed in front-line service. As a result, in the early 1970s, the Israeli army decided to replace the 9 mm Uzi.

After prescribing certain basic requirements for the new weapon, the IDF invited recognised small-arms manufacturers to submit designs in competition. The most serious contenders were Lt-Col Uzi Gal's "New Uzi" and Yisrael's Galili's Galil rifle. Galili's rifle scored best, leaving Gal deeply disappointed."