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Posted: 10/15/2014 6:23:38 PM EDT
I have been wanting a 1964 SP1 for a while and thought that the 1964 SP1 with a winchester marked barrel was the crown jewel!!! I finally found one and am happy to say it has hardly been shot and is in mint condition!!!! It has the W marked 1:14 barrel and all parts are correct and original to my knowledge. I even got a letter from Colt so am very excited about that! When the rifle came in the other say I couldnt drive fast enough lol! I am very thankful to everybody on this forum for their vast knowledge and helping hand on questions and requests! This is probably the last rifle I will buy in a very long time as I am getting married here in the next few months but am happy that my last gun for a while was the one I have wanted for a very long time now!! The rifle came with an original 601 style black sling and M16 plastic bag.
Parts include: 1:14 W marked barrel Dimpled pins type 2 mag release button Modified 3 prong flash hider Early FSB Carbon steel gas tube No drain hole hand guards Square pad 601 port door C marked carrier MP chrome bolt Parkerized FP retaining pin Edgewater buffer No drain hole stock screw Early buffer tube with holes in front (unmodified) Dimpled sight wheel adjustment screw Also my finished 601!! 
Everything is original Colt/Armalite on this gun except the lower which is nodak spud. The last parts I needed was a good set of handguards which have no chips or missing teeth and original paint, and also an Armalite Waffle mag which is also in excellent shape. Thanks again for everything you guys are for and do for people on this forum!!! |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 6:38:54 PM EDT
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BRAVO..... The 601 build, and very nice SP1!! Love the original transitional bolt catch, on the SP1, very clean.. Furnature is outstanding on the 601, I know you've been working on it for a while.....it's nice to see the finished product. Congrats
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Posted: 10/15/2014 6:43:42 PM EDT
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Where did you fond that early SP1 and how much was it?
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Posted: 10/15/2014 6:53:43 PM EDT
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Awesome looking rifles, I'm jealous
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Posted: 10/15/2014 6:54:21 PM EDT
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OMG, the color on the upper and lower don't match exactly! lol
She's a beauty |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 6:55:27 PM EDT
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OMG, the color on the upper and lower don't match exactly! lol She's a beauty Yes thank you! Haha good ol colt finish never does! |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 6:56:28 PM EDT
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And I picked the sp1 up online for half of what I thought I was going to pay lol I was going home with it no matter what!
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Posted: 10/15/2014 6:57:40 PM EDT
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FYI the colt letter said it was mailed out in September of 1964. Anybody else have info on when theirs was shipped out that year?
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Posted: 10/15/2014 7:02:39 PM EDT
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FYI the colt letter said it was mailed out in September of 1964. Anybody else have info on when theirs was shipped out that year? A C&R eligible AR. Nice 
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Posted: 10/15/2014 7:27:33 PM EDT
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A C&R eligible AR. Nice Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FYI the colt letter said it was mailed out in September of 1964. Anybody else have info on when theirs was shipped out that year? A C&R eligible AR. Nice I could have that rifle shipped to my house... |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 7:39:19 PM EDT
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Great looking rifles! Someday mine will be done.
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Posted: 10/15/2014 8:26:35 PM EDT
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I need a towel to wipe up the puddle of drool on my shirt
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Posted: 10/15/2014 10:28:35 PM EDT
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FYI the colt letter said it was mailed out in September of 1964. Anybody else have info on when theirs was shipped out that year? 118x was manufactured on Nov. 16,1964 and was shipped out on Nov. 20,1964. 
Very nice rifles Alex,,very very nice.
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Posted: 10/15/2014 10:38:46 PM EDT
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118x was manufactured on Nov. 16,1964 and was shipped out on Nov. 20,1964.
Very nice rifles Alex,,very very nice.
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FYI the colt letter said it was mailed out in September of 1964. Anybody else have info on when theirs was shipped out that year? 118x was manufactured on Nov. 16,1964 and was shipped out on Nov. 20,1964.
Very nice rifles Alex,,very very nice.
How do you know when it was made? All the letter told me was the date shipped. Thanks for the info!!! Looks like they cranked those things out reletively fast! |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 10:42:27 PM EDT
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How do you know when it was made? All the letter told me was the date shipped. Thanks for the info!!! Looks like they cranked those things out reletively fast! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FYI the colt letter said it was mailed out in September of 1964. Anybody else have info on when theirs was shipped out that year? 118x was manufactured on Nov. 16,1964 and was shipped out on Nov. 20,1964.
Very nice rifles Alex,,very very nice.
How do you know when it was made? All the letter told me was the date shipped. Thanks for the info!!! Looks like they cranked those things out reletively fast! My letter was the $100 one. It shows date of manufacture, and date it was shipped ,and the name of the local gun store Jack (original owner) had it sent to. |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 10:45:04 PM EDT
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My letter was the $100 one. It shows date of manufacture, and date it was shipped ,and the name of the local gun store Jack (original owner) had it sent to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FYI the colt letter said it was mailed out in September of 1964. Anybody else have info on when theirs was shipped out that year? 118x was manufactured on Nov. 16,1964 and was shipped out on Nov. 20,1964.
Very nice rifles Alex,,very very nice.
How do you know when it was made? All the letter told me was the date shipped. Thanks for the info!!! Looks like they cranked those things out reletively fast! My letter was the $100 one. It shows date of manufacture, and date it was shipped ,and the name of the local gun store Jack (original owner) had it sent to. Mine I thought was the fancy one lol it has the shipped date and who it was sent to. Has colt letter head and seal. I'll have to check again |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 11:15:52 PM EDT
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Nice rifles you got there! Very lucky to have each in your collection.
I hate to burst your bubble on the SP1 though. The bolt carrier is not original to that rifle. Colt was not marking the "C" on the carrier until the GM & H&R contracts started. Additionally, they weren't staking the gas key on the sides in '64. You should have an earlier carrier without a stamp and with round or rectangle stakes on the gas key. I'm shocked M1 or the other ol wise ones didn't catch this before me!!! BTW, if you need a correct carrier to return that girl to the condition the factory shipped her in, hit me up. I know someone who may have a few mint ones. |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 11:23:47 PM EDT
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Nice rifles you got there! Very lucky to have each in your collection. I hate to burst your bubble on the SP1 though. The bolt carrier is not original to that rifle. Colt was not marking the "C" on the carrier until the GM & H&R contracts started. Additionally, they weren't staking the gas key on the sides in '64. You should have an earlier carrier without a stamp and with round or rectangle stakes on the gas key. I'm shocked M1 or the other ol wise ones didn't catch this before me!!! BTW, if you need a correct carrier to return that girl to the condition the factory shipped her in, hit me up. I know someone who may have a few mint ones. +1, my early colts have the slickside parked carriers with shorter than full auto tails and a shrouded firing pin channel. later 4 digit ones had slickside carriers with the shorter sp1 tail that we know. |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 11:28:07 PM EDT
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That's just fantastic. Congrats!
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Posted: 10/15/2014 11:28:55 PM EDT
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Nice rifles you got there! Very lucky to have each in your collection. I hate to burst your bubble on the SP1 though. The bolt carrier is not original to that rifle. Colt was not marking the "C" on the carrier until the GM & H&R contracts started. Additionally, they weren't staking the gas key on the sides in '64. You should have an earlier carrier without a stamp and with round or rectangle stakes on the gas key. I'm shocked M1 or the other ol wise ones didn't catch this before me!!! BTW, if you need a correct carrier to return that girl to the condition the factory shipped her in, hit me up. I know someone who may have a few mint ones. I have had a couple emails from the ol wise ones already long ago when I first posted this lol they caught it when I first posted. That is something I will post in the wtb ee here tomorrow. Thanks for all the help! I also know that the selector is not correct and I have a couple 601 but no sp1 dimpled selectors. |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 8:55:01 AM EDT
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Alex,
Although pertaining to the M-16, the Colt Variation Guide Guide, calls that an "M" marking and not a "W". I have a similar inverted "M" on my '64 SP-1 next to the proof triangle. I'll post a picture later. How do you know it is a 1:14? Those are two beautiful rifles. I'm in the final stages of my 601 and I'll post a pic when it is done. Hal |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 9:03:56 AM EDT
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Alex, Although pertaining to the M-16, the Colt Variation Guide Guide, calls that an "M" marking and not a "W". I have a similar inverted "M" on my '64 SP-1 next to the proof triangle. I'll post a picture later. How do you know it is a 1:14? Those are two beautiful rifles. I'm in the final stages of my 601 and I'll post a pic when it is done. Hal I measured the twist on the barrel and came out 14" 3 times |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 9:24:29 AM EDT
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Do you have the matching Oldsmobile to go with that rifle?
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Posted: 10/16/2014 10:19:41 AM EDT
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+1, my early colts have the slickside parked carriers with shorter than full auto tails and a shrouded firing pin channel. later 4 digit ones had slickside carriers with the shorter sp1 tail that we know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice rifles you got there! Very lucky to have each in your collection. I hate to burst your bubble on the SP1 though. The bolt carrier is not original to that rifle. Colt was not marking the "C" on the carrier until the GM & H&R contracts started. Additionally, they weren't staking the gas key on the sides in '64. You should have an earlier carrier without a stamp and with round or rectangle stakes on the gas key. I'm shocked M1 or the other ol wise ones didn't catch this before me!!! BTW, if you need a correct carrier to return that girl to the condition the factory shipped her in, hit me up. I know someone who may have a few mint ones. +1, my early colts have the slickside parked carriers with shorter than full auto tails and a shrouded firing pin channel. later 4 digit ones had slickside carriers with the shorter sp1 tail that we know. I can't believe I missed that, I was too busy looking over the rest of it. Good eye. |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 10:21:03 AM EDT
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Very nice!
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Posted: 10/16/2014 2:56:04 PM EDT
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Alex, Although pertaining to the M-16, the Colt Variation Guide Guide, calls that an "M" marking and not a "W". I have a similar inverted "M" on my '64 SP-1 next to the proof triangle. I'll post a picture later. How do you know it is a 1:14? Those are two beautiful rifles. I'm in the final stages of my 601 and I'll post a pic when it is done. Hal Here's the marking on mine. The "M" is inverted and looks like your "W'. It is supposed to stand for 'metal particle tested". I don't understand why it is inverted like a "W" on mine. Maybe someone can explain it..... 
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Posted: 10/16/2014 3:09:49 PM EDT
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wow...
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Posted: 10/16/2014 3:43:35 PM EDT
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Here's the marking on mine. The "M" is inverted and looks like your "W'. It is supposed to stand for 'metal particle tested". I don't understand why it is inverted like a "W" on mine. Maybe someone can explain it..... http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x410/halschichtel/IMG_2680_zpsfc94129a.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alex, Although pertaining to the M-16, the Colt Variation Guide Guide, calls that an "M" marking and not a "W". I have a similar inverted "M" on my '64 SP-1 next to the proof triangle. I'll post a picture later. How do you know it is a 1:14? Those are two beautiful rifles. I'm in the final stages of my 601 and I'll post a pic when it is done. Hal Here's the marking on mine. The "M" is inverted and looks like your "W'. It is supposed to stand for 'metal particle tested". I don't understand why it is inverted like a "W" on mine. Maybe someone can explain it..... http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x410/halschichtel/IMG_2680_zpsfc94129a.jpg Just curious but did you measure the twist rate of the barrel or is the barrel '12' stamped on the muzzle? |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 3:45:22 PM EDT
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My letter was the $100 one. It shows date of manufacture, and date it was shipped ,and the name of the local gun store Jack (original owner) had it sent to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FYI the colt letter said it was mailed out in September of 1964. Anybody else have info on when theirs was shipped out that year? 118x was manufactured on Nov. 16,1964 and was shipped out on Nov. 20,1964.
Very nice rifles Alex,,very very nice.
How do you know when it was made? All the letter told me was the date shipped. Thanks for the info!!! Looks like they cranked those things out reletively fast! My letter was the $100 one. It shows date of manufacture, and date it was shipped ,and the name of the local gun store Jack (original owner) had it sent to. So I double checked my letter and it does not say when it was made. Just shipment date and who it was shipped to along with basic rifle info. The letter has the colt seal and colt letter head on their fancy paper |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 3:50:53 PM EDT
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Just curious but did you measure the twist rate of the barrel or is the barrel '12' stamped on the muzzle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alex, Although pertaining to the M-16, the Colt Variation Guide Guide, calls that an "M" marking and not a "W". I have a similar inverted "M" on my '64 SP-1 next to the proof triangle. I'll post a picture later. How do you know it is a 1:14? Those are two beautiful rifles. I'm in the final stages of my 601 and I'll post a pic when it is done. Hal Here's the marking on mine. The "M" is inverted and looks like your "W'. It is supposed to stand for 'metal particle tested". I don't understand why it is inverted like a "W" on mine. Maybe someone can explain it..... http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x410/halschichtel/IMG_2680_zpsfc94129a.jpg Just curious but did you measure the twist rate of the barrel or is the barrel '12' stamped on the muzzle? It has the "S" and the "12". |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 5:08:34 PM EDT
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Excellent job! Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 10/16/2014 7:11:30 PM EDT
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Here's the marking on mine. The "M" is inverted and looks like your "W'. It is supposed to stand for 'metal particle tested". I don't understand why it is inverted like a "W" on mine. Maybe someone can explain it..... http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x410/halschichtel/IMG_2680_zpsfc94129a.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alex, Although pertaining to the M-16, the Colt Variation Guide Guide, calls that an "M" marking and not a "W". I have a similar inverted "M" on my '64 SP-1 next to the proof triangle. I'll post a picture later. How do you know it is a 1:14? Those are two beautiful rifles. I'm in the final stages of my 601 and I'll post a pic when it is done. Hal Here's the marking on mine. The "M" is inverted and looks like your "W'. It is supposed to stand for 'metal particle tested". I don't understand why it is inverted like a "W" on mine. Maybe someone can explain it..... http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x410/halschichtel/IMG_2680_zpsfc94129a.jpg Very simple really. The markings are for 2 different inspections and not necessarily done at the same time. The person who did the "magnetic particle testing" stamped the barrel without care which way the stamp was facing. Barrels go thru a "verified proof" firing. A hi pressure round or 2 are shot. If the barrel passes that test, then barrel would be stamped with the vp. I do not know what order the tests were done, nor do I know if the barrels are set in some kind of jig for the proof firing. I have always "assumed" the proof firing was done with assembled rifles as we see the vp stamp on the upper receivers as well. These are 2 of many questions I want to ask Jack the next time I see/talk with him. |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 7:33:32 PM EDT
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Very simple really. The markings are for 2 different inspections and not necessarily done at the same time. The person who did the "magnetic particle testing" stamped the barrel without care which way the stamp was facing. Barrels go thru a "verified proof" firing. A hi pressure round or 2 are shot. If the barrel passes that test, then barrel would be stamped with the vp. I do not know what order the tests were done, nor do I know if the barrels are set in some kind of jig for the proof firing. I have always "assumed" the proof firing was done with assembled rifles as we see the vp stamp on the upper receivers as well. These are 2 of many questions I want to ask Jack the next time I see/talk with him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alex, Although pertaining to the M-16, the Colt Variation Guide Guide, calls that an "M" marking and not a "W". I have a similar inverted "M" on my '64 SP-1 next to the proof triangle. I'll post a picture later. How do you know it is a 1:14? Those are two beautiful rifles. I'm in the final stages of my 601 and I'll post a pic when it is done. Hal Here's the marking on mine. The "M" is inverted and looks like your "W'. It is supposed to stand for 'metal particle tested". I don't understand why it is inverted like a "W" on mine. Maybe someone can explain it..... http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x410/halschichtel/IMG_2680_zpsfc94129a.jpg Very simple really. The markings are for 2 different inspections and not necessarily done at the same time. The person who did the "magnetic particle testing" stamped the barrel without care which way the stamp was facing. Barrels go thru a "verified proof" firing. A hi pressure round or 2 are shot. If the barrel passes that test, then barrel would be stamped with the vp. I do not know what order the tests were done, nor do I know if the barrels are set in some kind of jig for the proof firing. I have always "assumed" the proof firing was done with assembled rifles as we see the vp stamp on the upper receivers as well. These are 2 of many questions I want to ask Jack the next time I see/talk with him. I have had my fair share of early colt and Winchester barrels but every Winchester 1:14 I have seen has been turned sidewise and all the colt ones have been tuners like an M. Idk all very confusing lol |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 12:13:27 AM EDT
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Awesome!
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Posted: 10/17/2014 12:16:09 AM EDT
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Where did you find that early SP1 and how much was it? |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 12:28:46 AM EDT
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I have #323. Colt letter says shipped to "Jack First Gunsmith" on Sept. 21, 1964. Guns in shipment: 20
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Posted: 10/17/2014 5:16:42 AM EDT
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I have #323. Colt letter says shipped to "Jack First Gunsmith" on Sept. 21, 1964. Guns in shipment: 20 That's interesting that they were shipped so close together |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 4:57:47 PM EDT
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Where did you find that early SP1 and how much was it? I bought it online for about 3k |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 4:45:42 PM EDT
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I have #323. Colt letter says shipped to "Jack First Gunsmith" on Sept. 21, 1964. Guns in shipment: 20 Jack First was the name of an actual individual and his gun shop (located on Sierra Highway in my home town of Lancaster, Calif) was simply named "Jack First, Gunsmith". His store sign was in the shape of a [rather large] revolver. I took my Hunter Safety class from him somewhere in the 1966 - 1968 time frame. We used his --underground-- shooting range, which was a officially designated Fallout Shelter (I can still remember the DOD fallout shelter supplies stacked in a corner). Jack was a Reserve Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy (or had been one at one time). He also sold NFA firearms; I remember seeing my first Smith & Wesson Model 76 9mm sub machine gun in his shop. I also remember seeing ARs.... 
Small world!
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:40:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jack First was the name of an actual individual and his gun shop (located on Sierra Highway in my home town of Lancaster, Calif) was simply named "Jack First, Gunsmith". His store sign was in the shape of a [rather large] revolver. I took my Hunter Safety class from him somewhere in the 1966 - 1968 time frame. We used his --underground-- shooting range, which was a officially designated Fallout Shelter (I can still remember the DOD fallout shelter supplies stacked in a corner). Jack was a Reserve Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy (or had been one at one time). He also sold NFA firearms; I remember seeing my first Smith & Wesson Model 76 9mm sub machine gun in his shop. I also remember seeing ARs.... Small world! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have #323. Colt letter says shipped to "Jack First Gunsmith" on Sept. 21, 1964. Guns in shipment: 20 Jack First was the name of an actual individual and his gun shop (located on Sierra Highway in my home town of Lancaster, Calif) was simply named "Jack First, Gunsmith". His store sign was in the shape of a [rather large] revolver. I took my Hunter Safety class from him somewhere in the 1966 - 1968 time frame. We used his --underground-- shooting range, which was a officially designated Fallout Shelter (I can still remember the DOD fallout shelter supplies stacked in a corner). Jack was a Reserve Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy (or had been one at one time). He also sold NFA firearms; I remember seeing my first Smith & Wesson Model 76 9mm sub machine gun in his shop. I also remember seeing ARs.... Small world! That's too cool. Small world indeed. |
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