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Posted: 7/14/2014 6:11:39 AM EDT
I tried to register my SP1 serial #0006xx with New York as a "curio, relic. whatever. It was rejected. The rule is it has to be 50 years old. I always thought #251-2501 were 1964. I called them byt the "sargent" that handles these calls wasn't there. If I can regester it as a "relic" I can legally keep the magazine(s). Am I correct that 6xx is a 1964 rifle? I am thinking they might have thought the "1" in SP! was part of the serial number?? Any thoughts????
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Our own member Texas Squirrel also has an excellent website with details about the serial numbers on the SP 1:
http://www.retroblackrifle.com/ |
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I don't think there is a "1" in the first couple years. I think it's SPXXX not SP1XXX. 1964 starts with SP00101
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I've got I think a 5 digit number gun. I know it starts with a 1 and is a 68.
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I tried to register my SP1 serial #0006xx with New York as a "curio, relic. whatever. It was rejected. The rule is it has to be 50 years old. I always thought #251-2501 were 1964. I called them byt the "sargent" that handles these calls wasn't there. If I can regester it as a "relic" I can legally keep the magazine(s). Am I correct that 6xx is a 1964 rifle? I am thinking they might have thought the "1" in SP! was part of the serial number?? Any thoughts???? View Quote The 1 is part of the serial number, your rifle was built in 1979. |
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The 1 is part of the serial number, your rifle was built in 1979. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I tried to register my SP1 serial #0006xx with New York as a "curio, relic. whatever. It was rejected. The rule is it has to be 50 years old. I always thought #251-2501 were 1964. I called them byt the "sargent" that handles these calls wasn't there. If I can regester it as a "relic" I can legally keep the magazine(s). Am I correct that 6xx is a 1964 rifle? I am thinking they might have thought the "1" in SP! was part of the serial number?? Any thoughts???? The 1 is part of the serial number, your rifle was built in 1979. No way is it a 1979 rifle. The model is SP1. Serial is 006xx or 006xx (I am at work) |
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To clarify, if the serial number reads "SP0006xx" on the bottom line, it is 1964 production.
If it reads, "SP1006xx," it is late '79 or early '80. ETA: The Model identifier (SP1) is on a separate line, above the SN. But the SN itself (on the bottom line) does include the characters "SP." |
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https://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/ModGde/SP1SN.html
If its a 5 digit serial number that starts with a 1, it could be a 68-72 year production. |
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According to my hand written note the receiver is marked as follows:
AR15 SP1 006xx There is a gap between the SP1 and the 006xx This is a 1664.: dimpled pins, slab carrier, chrome bolt.edgewater buffer, 3 prong, SP1 sling etc. etc. I even have the manual that says "Colt Commanche" When I go home later I will verify the serial # |
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based on your description, it does sound early but there should not be a 1 in front of the SP in the serial portion. this is what a 3 digit should look like: http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa430/vette205/AR%2015/AR15SP1007.jpg View Quote ^^^ Correct, that's what I was trying to say in my first post. |
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No way is it a 1979 rifle. The model is SP1. Serial is 006xx or 006xx (I am at work) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I tried to register my SP1 serial #0006xx with New York as a "curio, relic. whatever. It was rejected. The rule is it has to be 50 years old. I always thought #251-2501 were 1964. I called them byt the "sargent" that handles these calls wasn't there. If I can regester it as a "relic" I can legally keep the magazine(s). Am I correct that 6xx is a 1964 rifle? I am thinking they might have thought the "1" in SP! was part of the serial number?? Any thoughts???? The 1 is part of the serial number, your rifle was built in 1979. No way is it a 1979 rifle. The model is SP1. Serial is 006xx or 006xx (I am at work) Sorry man, but it is. As shown in the pic above the serial is SP1006xx. If it were a 3 digit the serial would read SP006xx. |
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if it is a 3 digit and you're having problems getting c&r status, it may be worth paying for the colt archival letter. not sure how anyone can dispute the date with the letter
http://www.colt.com/Catalog/ArchiveServices.aspx |
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I'll wait till I get home. It might indeed only say SP006xx but my brain might have added the 1. To quote Gen. Buck Turginson from Dr. Strangelove "Lets hold off on making a judgement until all the facts are in".
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Sorry man, but it is. As shown in the pic above the serial is SP1006xx. If it were a 3 digit the serial would read SP006xx. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I tried to register my SP1 serial #0006xx with New York as a "curio, relic. whatever. It was rejected. The rule is it has to be 50 years old. I always thought #251-2501 were 1964. I called them byt the "sargent" that handles these calls wasn't there. If I can regester it as a "relic" I can legally keep the magazine(s). Am I correct that 6xx is a 1964 rifle? I am thinking they might have thought the "1" in SP! was part of the serial number?? Any thoughts???? The 1 is part of the serial number, your rifle was built in 1979. No way is it a 1979 rifle. The model is SP1. Serial is 006xx or 006xx (I am at work) Sorry man, but it is. As shown in the pic above the serial is SP1006xx. If it were a 3 digit the serial would read SP006xx. Well man, that's how it is, just like the pic. The serial # is SP006xx. So is it safe to say it is a 1964 rifle?? |
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Absolutely, then, provided there is no "1" after the SP prefix. There has never been a Colt AR-15 with an "SP1" prefix.
Post a pic and others can verify for you as well. |
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if it is a 3 digit and you're having problems getting c&r status, it may be worth paying for the colt archival letter. not sure how anyone can dispute the date with the letter http://www.colt.com/Catalog/ArchiveServices.aspx View Quote In that case ^^^ THIS. Guessing you didn't buy it as a C&R ? I have always wanted to try that with an AR |
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I bought it in the late 90's , before anyone cared about "retro"I believe I am the second owner. It is 100% original. The only thing I don't have is the box.
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sure there has. SP100000 to SP199999 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/427901000/427901484/pix266045675.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Absolutely, then, provided there is no "1" after the SP prefix. There has never been a Colt AR-15 with an "SP1" prefix. Post a pic and others can verify for you as well. sure there has. SP100000 to SP199999 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/427901000/427901484/pix266045675.jpg Oh brother, here we go again. As long as you are stirring the pot Boywonder, why not bring up that Mattel made AR15's back in the day... |
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Oh brother, here we go again. As long as you are stirring the pot Boywonder, why not bring up that Mattel made AR15's back in the day... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Absolutely, then, provided there is no "1" after the SP prefix. There has never been a Colt AR-15 with an "SP1" prefix. Post a pic and others can verify for you as well. sure there has. SP100000 to SP199999 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/427901000/427901484/pix266045675.jpg Oh brother, here we go again. As long as you are stirring the pot Boywonder, why not bring up that Mattel made AR15's back in the day... paging fastswift |
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Absolutely, then, provided there is no "1" after the SP prefix. There has never been a Colt AR-15 with an "SP1" prefix. Post a pic and others can verify for you as well. sure there has. SP100000 to SP199999 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/427901000/427901484/pix266045675.jpg Oh brother, here we go again. As long as you are stirring the pot Boywonder, why not bring up that Mattel made AR15's back in the day... paging fastswift For the early Sporters, just claim that it is a "SP zero" or "SP0" not a "SP1." |
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sure there has. SP100000 to SP199999 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/427901000/427901484/pix266045675.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Absolutely, then, provided there is no "1" after the SP prefix. There has never been a Colt AR-15 with an "SP1" prefix. Post a pic and others can verify for you as well. sure there has. SP100000 to SP199999 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/427901000/427901484/pix266045675.jpg Nice try, but SP1 is not the prefix on those. SP is the prefix, as with all other SP1s, and 1xxxxx is the serial number. |
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New York State gun laws are unconstitutional. My folks live there and every time I go back I have to leave my guns that are unacceptable in NYS with Olgunner in PA including my 1911 which is a Remington Rand built in Syracuse NY in 1945. Sorry to hear of your trouble. I will never move back to NY because of this. Fuck those clowns. I just don't know why you all put up with it. Plenty of room here in AZ!
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Nice try, but SP1 is not the prefix on those. SP is the prefix, as with all other SP1s, and 1xxxxx is the serial number. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Absolutely, then, provided there is no "1" after the SP prefix. There has never been a Colt AR-15 with an "SP1" prefix. Post a pic and others can verify for you as well. sure there has. SP100000 to SP199999 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/427901000/427901484/pix266045675.jpg Nice try, but SP1 is not the prefix on those. SP is the prefix, as with all other SP1s, and 1xxxxx is the serial number. potatoe ... potahto colt really caused a lot of confusion with the SP1 model and SP serial prefix. had a guy at a show trying to convince me that the 1 was not part of the serial and went so far as to say that's how the ATF told him to log it. wonder how many are logged incorrectly. |
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potatoe ... potahto colt really caused a lot of confusion with the SP1 model and SP serial prefix. had a guy at a show trying to convince me that the 1 was not part of the serial and went so far as to say that's how the ATF told him to log it. wonder how many are logged incorrectly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Absolutely, then, provided there is no "1" after the SP prefix. There has never been a Colt AR-15 with an "SP1" prefix. Post a pic and others can verify for you as well. sure there has. SP100000 to SP199999 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/427901000/427901484/pix266045675.jpg Nice try, but SP1 is not the prefix on those. SP is the prefix, as with all other SP1s, and 1xxxxx is the serial number. potatoe ... potahto colt really caused a lot of confusion with the SP1 model and SP serial prefix. had a guy at a show trying to convince me that the 1 was not part of the serial and went so far as to say that's how the ATF told him to log it. wonder how many are logged incorrectly. Out of 100,000 possibilities? Probably half. Especially now that the early guns are C&R. |
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Absolutely, then, provided there is no "1" after the SP prefix. There has never been a Colt AR-15 with an "SP1" prefix. Post a pic and others can verify for you as well. sure there has. SP100000 to SP199999 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/427901000/427901484/pix266045675.jpg Nice try, but SP1 is not the prefix on those. SP is the prefix, as with all other SP1s, and 1xxxxx is the serial number. potatoe ... potahto colt really caused a lot of confusion with the SP1 model and SP serial prefix. had a guy at a show trying to convince me that the 1 was not part of the serial and went so far as to say that's how the ATF told him to log it. wonder how many are logged incorrectly. Out of 100,000 possibilities? Probably half. Especially now that the early guns are C&R. I don't understand the 50 year thing. Does it go by the year of manufacture or the exact date??? I assume my 6xx rifle was manufactured in the early part of the year but have no idea..... |
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It goes by manufacture date. If you don't know your rifle's born-on date, just that it was 1964, then you'd have to wait until 1/1/2015 to be sure it was C&R.
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Colt SP1 sn 1,18x was born on November 16,1964 and left the factory on November 20,1964. Colt letter cost $100 four years ago.
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The Sgt. from Albany called me today. Seemed like a decent guy. I explained the issue and he said no problem, but I have to provide them with the verification so I guess I have to spring for the letter. I asked him from what date do you go by, he said it was a "rolling" date so if it is later than now it will become an aitique on that date. When I asked about the magazine he asked if they were marked .223 so I guess any magazine with a .223 marked baseplate will be good to go...... He also told me there was no limit to how many 50 year old magazines I can register.....
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I explained the issue and he said no problem, but I have to provide them with the verification so I guess I have to spring for the letter. View Quote I guess getting grandfathered is gonna be worth the $100, then - though it shouldn't be an issue and NYS still sucks for making it necessary. |
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I guess getting grandfathered is gonna be worth the $100, then - though it shouldn't be an issue and NYS still sucks for making it necessary. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I explained the issue and he said no problem, but I have to provide them with the verification so I guess I have to spring for the letter. I guess getting grandfathered is gonna be worth the $100, then - though it shouldn't be an issue and NYS still sucks for making it necessary. I probably have 100+ .223 marked mags so that is why I want to get it curio status. NYS sucks big time......... |
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I wonder if any engraving companies would be interested in making retro.223 baseplates? Just a thought. Anyway around something unconstitutional is not breaking the law IMO.
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I called Colt today to order the letter. The guy starts telling me what the letter says: original finish, barrel length, most stuff I already know. Then he says it will take 100 days for the letter. I mention I only really need the date of manufacture and he says "I can get that next week for only $25." It would be cool to know when and where the rifle was originally shipped but not $100 cool to me. Any guesses to the manufacture date of a SP 006xx rifle?? My guess is March 15, 1964.
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I called Colt today to order the letter. The guy starts telling me what the letter says: original finish, barrel length, most stuff I already know. Then he says it will take 100 days for the letter. I mention I only really need the date of manufacture and he says "I can get that next week for only $25." It would be cool to know when and where the rifle was originally shipped but not $100 cool to me. Any guesses to the manufacture date of a SP 006xx rifle?? My guess is March 15, 1964. View Quote cool didn't know about the $25 option. that's cheap documentation for those seeking c&r status. |
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I called Colt today to order the letter. The guy starts telling me what the letter says: original finish, barrel length, most stuff I already know. Then he says it will take 100 days for the letter. I mention I only really need the date of manufacture and he says "I can get that next week for only $25." It would be cool to know when and where the rifle was originally shipped but not $100 cool to me. Any guesses to the manufacture date of a SP 006xx rifle?? My guess is March 15, 1964. View Quote Cool! A competition? I'm in! Put me down for April Fool's Day. (I figure it's at least as good a guess as March 15th... since March 15th, 1964 was a Sunday.) So what's the prize if I win?? |
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Cool! A competition? I'm in! Put me down for April Fool's Day. (I figure it's at least as good a guess as March 15th... since March 15th, 1964 was a Sunday.) So what's the prize if I win?? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I called Colt today to order the letter. The guy starts telling me what the letter says: original finish, barrel length, most stuff I already know. Then he says it will take 100 days for the letter. I mention I only really need the date of manufacture and he says "I can get that next week for only $25." It would be cool to know when and where the rifle was originally shipped but not $100 cool to me. Any guesses to the manufacture date of a SP 006xx rifle?? My guess is March 15, 1964. Cool! A competition? I'm in! Put me down for April Fool's Day. (I figure it's at least as good a guess as March 15th... since March 15th, 1964 was a Sunday.) So what's the prize if I win?? i think KurtVF said the winner will get a SP1 w/ serial 6xx |
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