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Posted: 4/18/2014 5:43:38 PM EDT
first off,i would like to apologize for not having any pictures for this post,but I am the first one to admit that I am computer retarded.  recently I won a hush puppy slide lock on ebay. ebay#351026492452   I have sent the slidelock out for drawing. hopefully we can get some cloned parts machined onced the drawings are complete. I figure with the great front sight by John Thomas and the rear sight wing by jm0502  we should soon be seeing some really nice retro hush puppy mk22 mod 0 pistol builds in a few months.
Link Posted: 5/3/2014 5:45:18 PM EDT
[#1]
Nice find!

It is definitely a S&W HP slide lock, but looks like some one ground down the lever to shorten it.  I remember it being longer, so someone probably shortened it to end just over where the lug in the frame is for the slide stop/slide lock to tension against.



Depending on whether you want to build a S&W 39 or 59 Hush puppy version - you could add about a half inch to the lever and still clear the receiver on the double stack receiver of the 59 or even smaller 69 frame.
A civilian gunsmith put the slide of a Hush Puppy on the frame of a S&W 469 in 1985 and successfully fired it, unlocked with the old IVI subsonic ammo.  

Now the really hard part is to have someone build the right hand side with center pin silver soldered to it and find the correct cap nut.  Right side lever is easy to form since you already have the mirror side on your left side lever.

I can hear S&W 9mm slides being cut for the locking notch now - just remember to have someone with some skill heat treat all the parts correctly (including where you notch the slide for the slide lock to fit) or you will have a big mess on your hands - literally.

Good job!
Link Posted: 5/3/2014 8:40:03 PM EDT
[#2]
thanks franksppd for posting that picture!!!!  right now i'm getting ready to send off my my slide to have the rear sight assembly installed. like john Thomas's front sight, jm0502 rear sight wing is dead on!!!  the slidelock assembly is being drawn up right now. thanks for the heattreat info!!!!
Link Posted: 5/3/2014 9:45:23 PM EDT
[#3]
This is one of the coolest retro projects that I have seen on this forum, and I applaud the OP in sticking with it. He has been on this train for awhile now. Lots of people have wanted to duplicate a hushpuppy (including me) but accurange, you have really stuck with it. Can't wait to see the finished product brother. I know some things take time, but you have kept your eye on the ball. Repro parts as you mentioned in previous threads, would be quite welcome, and sell well on a limited scale IMO. You will never get rich doing it, but you have already added to our knowledge of this very evocative and important firearm. Thanks man.
Link Posted: 5/3/2014 10:50:16 PM EDT
[#4]
thanks morg, I feel like a kid waiting to open my gifts on Christmas eve all over again. hopefully soon we all will start seeing some retro hushpuppys to compliment our retro rifles. on a sidenote,i found a website called Ozark surplus ,that sells the early model S&W model 39 hammers with the hole in it as always pictured on the hushpuppy photos. they also show parts from retro USAF model 15 revolvers."barrels ,triggers,etc.
Link Posted: 5/4/2014 3:25:40 AM EDT
[#5]
Just a thought, has anyone tried contacting the Navy SEAL museum in Ft. Pierce, FL about this pistol?  I looked through my pictures but seemed to miss taking any of the pistol collection.  I'm pretty sure they had one.  The weapons collection was very extensive, they even had the pump action 40mm grenade launcher.  The people working there were very friendly and informative.  You might be able to get in touch with the curator of the collection and take some up close photos and dimensions.
Link Posted: 5/4/2014 10:21:00 AM EDT
[#6]
I'd definitely be up for a Hush Puppy retro, but I'd want to built it on a 39, not a 59. I shot both back in the day and the 59 is a jam-amatic. Let me know when you have parts for sale.
Link Posted: 5/4/2014 8:04:50 PM EDT
[#7]
The Navy SEAL collection at the SEAL UDT Museum had a Hush Puppy suppressor on a commercial S&W pistol and not a NavSpec Hush Puppy.  There are a few reasons why there are no real Navy issue Hush Puppy pistols in museums outside of the Navy and DoD, but it really is classified.

The Navy Museum, NavSEA Museum at Crane, IN and Aberdeen have complete S&W Hush Puppies, as in pistols, suppressors, rebuild kits for the suppressors and spare ammo packs with waterproof kits.  The Ct Valley Historical Society Museum has the S&W collection, and in it is Roy Jink's non-US marked Hush Puppy with fake suppressor, which was actually built by S&W employee Tom Campbell, from parts left over in the S&W R&D Section of the factory, along with 2 models that S&W assembled of the single stack and double stack versions.  A friend of mine from Texas had the pistol with the complete backstrap set for the S&W detachable stock in his S&W military collection, but he passed on several years ago and S&W or Jinks bought it back at auction for about $1500.

Reed Knight has the 1970's and 80's vintage upgrade of the Hush Puppy system for the Navy in his collection, which was built on the Beretta 92SB and 92SBF models.  I know he was given a original S&W stock for the Hush Puppy, but I do not think he ever got a Smith pistol in his extensive personal S&W collection.

The system was used by the military until very recently, even though it was very obsolete - but it has a low survival rate since the slides crack due to the thin slide cross section where the locking notches are cut.  I have fired a Hush Puppy Mk 22 single stack pistol with a 1980's fixed baffle suppressor in 1984 at Little Creek and it was very quiet.  I was told that the wiped version from Vietnam was just as quiet.  A few years ago I got to fire a vietnam era Hush Puppy with 40 year old ammo and wipes that were starting to go bad.  It was extremely quiet, but the bullets did not make it to the 15 yard line since the wipe pack caused bullet yaw.

A gunners mate and civilian Wage Grade Weapons smith for the Navy proceeded to re-engineer a new wipe pack in the same Hush Puppy suppressor tube - only without the spring inside.  It was basically a 3 baffle unit that screwed into the front cap of the silencer.  The back of the suppressor was lined with a thin film of hydro jelly, which I think was medical gel for sonagrams.   The Hush Puppy swimmer baffle/plug was placed into the cup of the muzzle cap.  All you could hear was the hammer hit the firing pin and the bullet hit the cardboard back stop.  The suppression effect only lasted 3-4 shots before you had to re-gel the unit.

The slide did look like it was taking a beating and the nut that held the slide lock mechanism all together did let go. The original cap nut was loose and was field replaced by the Gunner by a castle nut.  It probably still soldiers on with TZZ blue tip subsonic ammo with a secret intel agency.  I know since a certain intel agency ordered a bunch of FMJ subsonic ammo in 158 grain weight.  That bullet is nice, but the profile was the only thing that fed in the S&W pistols without fail.  The Knight made loads actually caused weapon failures.  There are plenty of better systems out there - H&K and ACC short suppressors are used by the Navy now and they still use the P226 and the long AAC suppressor in NSW.

Navy Collection HP



S&W Collection HPs - only 2 outside of Government hands - supposedly, but I know of 2 registered ones in Maryland.




Hush Puppy reload kit with ammo and pistol waterproof plugs and suppressor muzzle plug.


Most operators seem to prefer using a suppressed shorty M4 or MP7 suppressed instead of relying on a obsolete concept of using a handgun close in.  

Think this project is very nice.   Very retro old skool!

Note: These are not my pictures so use google and give credit to where its due if you repost them.
Link Posted: 5/5/2014 5:29:42 AM EDT
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The Navy SEAL collection at the SEAL UDT Museum had a Hush Puppy suppressor on a commercial S&W pistol and not a NavSpec Hush Puppy.  There are a few reasons why there are no real Navy issue Hush Puppy pistols in museums outside of the Navy and DoD, but it really is classified.

The Navy Museum, NavSEA Museum at Crane, IN and Aberdeen have complete S&W Hush Puppies, as in pistols, suppressors, rebuild kits for the suppressors and spare ammo packs with waterproof kits.  The Ct Valley Historical Society Museum has the S&W collection, and in it is Roy Jink's non-US marked Hush Puppy with fake suppressor, which was actually built by S&W employee Tom Campbell, from parts left over in the S&W R&D Section of the factory, along with 2 models that S&W assembled of the single stack and double stack versions.  A friend of mine from Texas had the pistol with the complete backstrap set for the S&W detachable stock in his S&W military collection, but he passed on several years ago and S&W or Jinks bought it back at auction for about $1500.

Reed Knight has the 1970's and 80's vintage upgrade of the Hush Puppy system for the Navy in his collection, which was built on the Beretta 92SB and 92SBF models.  I know he was given a original S&W stock for the Hush Puppy, but I do not think he ever got a Smith pistol in his extensive personal S&W collection.

The system was used by the military until very recently, even though it was very obsolete - but it has a low survival rate since the slides crack due to the thin slide cross section where the locking notches are cut.  I have fired a Hush Puppy Mk 22 single stack pistol with a 1980's fixed baffle suppressor in 1984 at Little Creek and it was very quiet.  I was told that the wiped version from Vietnam was just as quiet.  A few years ago I got to fire a vietnam era Hush Puppy with 40 year old ammo and wipes that were starting to go bad.  It was extremely quiet, but the bullets did not make it to the 15 yard line since the wipe pack caused bullet yaw.

A gunners mate and civilian Wage Grade Weapons smith for the Navy proceeded to re-engineer a new wipe pack in the same Hush Puppy suppressor tube - only without the spring inside.  It was basically a 3 baffle unit that screwed into the front cap of the silencer.  The back of the suppressor was lined with a thin film of hydro jelly, which I think was medical gel for sonagrams.   The Hush Puppy swimmer baffle/plug was placed into the cup of the muzzle cap.  All you could hear was the hammer hit the firing pin and the bullet hit the cardboard back stop.  The suppression effect only lasted 3-4 shots before you had to re-gel the unit.

The slide did look like it was taking a beating and the nut that held the slide lock mechanism all together did let go. The original cap nut was loose and was field replaced by the Gunner by a castle nut.  It probably still soldiers on with TZZ blue tip subsonic ammo with a secret intel agency.  I know since a certain intel agency ordered a bunch of FMJ subsonic ammo in 158 grain weight.  That bullet is nice, but the profile was the only thing that fed in the S&W pistols without fail.  The Knight made loads actually caused weapon failures.  There are plenty of better systems out there - H&K and ACC short suppressors are used by the Navy now and they still use the P226 and the long AAC suppressor in NSW.

Navy Collection HP
<a href="http://s1120.photobucket.com/user/LogSu2/media/SampWMk22_zps2e2ca307.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/LogSu2/SampWMk22_zps2e2ca307.jpg</a>
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S&W Collection HPs - only 2 outside of Government hands - supposedly, but I know of 2 registered ones in Maryland.
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Hush Puppy reload kit with ammo and pistol waterproof plugs and suppressor muzzle plug.
<a href="http://s1120.photobucket.com/user/LogSu2/media/Dev%20Treasure/DSC_00852.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/LogSu2/Dev%20Treasure/DSC_00852.jpg</a>

Most operators seem to prefer using a suppressed shorty M4 or MP7 suppressed instead of relying on a obsolete concept of using a handgun close in.  

Think this project is very nice.   Very retro old skool!

Note: These are not my pictures so use google and give credit to where its due if you repost them.
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Wow...Great pics.  I've never seen the reload kit before.
Link Posted: 5/5/2014 4:18:48 PM EDT
[#9]
This might be my favorite thread ever.
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