User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 2/15/2012 11:24:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Damn Osprey, that is what I call a "gunship". Even if it is tended to and flown by the Air Force. Anyone on the ground needing help would love a couple of those flying close support covering extraction from a hot PZ. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/23/2012 10:32:04 PM EDT
[#2]
WTH is that 40 Mike Mike processor? Mk19?
 That gives new meaning to 'drum mag'. 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2012 5:03:09 AM EDT
[#3]
Originally Posted By Morg308: WTH is that 40 Mike Mike processor? Mk19? That gives new meaning to 'drum mag'. It's an "experimental" XM174 selective-fire launcher with 12rd "drum" magazines. It was mainly a USAF armament that never really got off the ground, so to speak.   |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/2/2012 6:50:14 AM EDT
[#4]
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/2/2012 4:25:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlDiveCop71]
[#5]
Isn't this supposed to be the "Real" Deal Retro thread???
|
|
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 3/2/2012 5:28:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jm0502]
[#6]
Im a little confused by this picture.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8815/kgrhqjjge7jfwofybo5odts.jpg |
|
|
NM, USA
|
Posted: 3/3/2012 2:21:25 PM EDT
[#7]
Courtesy of The Firearm Blog: "The photo below was taken at a Malaysian counterinsurgency training exercise last year. The men pictured are members of VAT-69, the Royal Malaysian Police's paramilitary commandos, and were playing the part of the terrorists during the exercise. The weapons they are armed with are fascinating. The firearms, with the obvious exception of the HK416, were confiscated from Communists terrorists during the 2nd Communist Insurgency (1968 - 1989)." |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/3/2012 3:02:51 PM EDT
[#8]
Originally Posted By jm0502:
Im a little confused by this picture. http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8815/kgrhqjjge7jfwofybo5odts.jpg Why? Colt actually came out with the round HGs in the 60's but the big Green machine didn't want them then. Someone here (tgus?) had a set for sale for awhile - they didn't have cooling vents though IIRC. Later, in the early '80's A2 upper receivers were hard to get, so the military brought a bunch of their M16A1's up to M16A1E1 spec, basically by replacing the barrel with a 1:7 (early ones were A1 profile BTW) and putting A2 furniture on them. I was shown one of these in ROTC around '85 and my instructor was pissed because he had wanted to show us the then new rear sight. To this day there are a number of improvements that Colt has made to the M4, but that either weren't adopted at all, or took awhile - one of them was the heavier 'H' buffer. |
|
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 3/3/2012 9:03:47 PM EDT
[#9]
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By jm0502:
Im a little confused by this picture. http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8815/kgrhqjjge7jfwofybo5odts.jpg Why? Colt actually came out with the round HGs in the 60's but the big Green machine didn't want them then. Someone here (tgus?) had a set for sale for awhile - they didn't have cooling vents though IIRC. Later, in the early '80's A2 upper receivers were hard to get, so the military brought a bunch of their M16A1's up to M16A1E1 spec, basically by replacing the barrel with a 1:7 (early ones were A1 profile BTW) and putting A2 furniture on them. I was shown one of these in ROTC around '85 and my instructor was pissed because he had wanted to show us the then new rear sight. To this day there are a number of improvements that Colt has made to the M4, but that either weren't adopted at all, or took awhile - one of them was the heavier 'H' buffer. Well that clears it up for me. Thanks. Kinda new to the retros, still working on my first. |
|
|
TX, USA
|
Posted: 3/4/2012 10:35:54 AM EDT
[#10]
Originally Posted By flatdarkmars:
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/vat69-tfb.jpg Courtesy of The Firearm Blog: "The photo below was taken at a Malaysian counterinsurgency training exercise last year. The men pictured are members of VAT-69, the Royal Malaysian Police's paramilitary commandos, and were playing the part of the terrorists during the exercise. The weapons they are armed with are fascinating. The firearms, with the obvious exception of the HK416, were confiscated from Communists terrorists during the 2nd Communist Insurgency (1968 - 1989)." that ballester molina? in that stock is pretty cool..anybody got any info on it? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2012 10:18:31 PM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By RTUtah: From the archived Rhodesian Army thread: http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/25chuck/Military/RHodesianM16.jpg David McGrady? He went to Lebanon after Africa....IIRC |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2012 4:36:34 AM EDT
[#12]
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
From the archived Rhodesian Army thread: http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/25chuck/Military/RHodesianM16.jpg David McGrady in Rhodesia doing ranch security. He did a lot of writing for Soldier Of Fortune in the late '70s and early '80s. Here's a better shot of the rifle he is carrying - believe it was a semi-auto AR SP1 if memory serves. 
You can read the article here |
|
|
CA, USA
|
Posted: 3/8/2012 1:26:22 AM EDT
[#13]
Originally Posted By FlDiveCop71:
Isn't this supposed to be the "Real" Deal Retro thread??? No, it's the real Disco Retro thread. 
|
|
|
TX, USA
|
Posted: 3/9/2012 11:58:54 AM EDT
[#14]
|
|
|
ITA
|
Posted: 3/20/2012 12:34:56 PM EDT
[#15]
from US Navy website (2008)
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2012 4:03:17 AM EDT
[#16]
 |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2012 12:50:59 PM EDT
[#17]
Originally Posted By LJM:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
From the archived Rhodesian Army thread: http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/25chuck/Military/RHodesianM16.jpg David McGrady in Rhodesia doing ranch security. He did a lot of writing for Soldier Of Fortune in the late '70s and early '80s. Here's a better shot of the rifle he is carrying - believe it was a semi-auto AR SP1 if memory serves. http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy150/tap22/page2.jpg You can read the article here Could this be he? https://www.facebook.com/people/David-McGrady/100003273844945 |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2012 3:48:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Originally Posted By Z09SS:
Originally Posted By LJM:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
From the archived Rhodesian Army thread: http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/25chuck/Military/RHodesianM16.jpg David McGrady in Rhodesia doing ranch security. He did a lot of writing for Soldier Of Fortune in the late '70s and early '80s. Here's a better shot of the rifle he is carrying - believe it was a semi-auto AR SP1 if memory serves. http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy150/tap22/page2.jpg You can read the article here Could this be he? https://www.facebook.com/people/David-McGrady/100003273844945 Yup, that's him! That is a picture from his time with the Lebanese militia in '82-'83. He used that same picture in his one of his SOF articles from that time frame. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2012 5:54:26 PM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By LJM:
Originally Posted By Z09SS:
Originally Posted By LJM:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
From the archived Rhodesian Army thread: http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/25chuck/Military/RHodesianM16.jpg David McGrady in Rhodesia doing ranch security. He did a lot of writing for Soldier Of Fortune in the late '70s and early '80s. Here's a better shot of the rifle he is carrying - believe it was a semi-auto AR SP1 if memory serves. http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy150/tap22/page2.jpg You can read the article here Could this be he? https://www.facebook.com/people/David-McGrady/100003273844945 Yup, that's him! That is a picture from his time with the Lebanese militia in '82-'83. He used that same picture in his one of his SOF articles from that time frame. Scroll down that page and look at his "likes" and he appears to be a leftist shitbag. |
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 4/1/2012 1:52:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: polecat30]
[#20]
Stolen from another forum, pics are from the EOD facility on Pendelton:
This is an M-16 that was captured and used by the VC and then recaptured by the Marines
Interesting 607 with round carbine HGs |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/3/2012 2:28:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: b_rogers]
[#21]
Originally Posted By polecat30:
Stolen from another forum, pics are from the EOD facility on Pendelton: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2012/post-214-1332992055.jpg This is an M-16 that was captured and used by the VC and then recaptured by the Marines
http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2012/post-214-1332992181.jpg Interesting 607 with round carbine HGs Thats an interesting 607, I wonder if the SOG operator swapped the HG? Or the Vietnamese or maybe the museum did it |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/3/2012 7:44:19 PM EDT
[#22]
Originally Posted By b_rogers: Originally Posted By polecat30: Stolen from another forum, pics are from the EOD facility on Pendelton: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2012/post-214-1332992055.jpg This is an M-16 that was captured and used by the VC and then recaptured by the Marines http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2012/post-214-1332992181.jpg Interesting 607 with round carbine HGs Thats an interesting 607, I wonder if the SOG operator swapped the HG? Or the Vietnamese or maybe the museum did it I've never seen any SOG boys rolling with 607s and I've only seen a few with E1s. 99% of recon and Hatchet Force guys rolled with E2s. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/3/2012 7:48:27 PM EDT
[#23]
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By b_rogers:
Originally Posted By polecat30:
Stolen from another forum, pics are from the EOD facility on Pendelton: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2012/post-214-1332992055.jpg This is an M-16 that was captured and used by the VC and then recaptured by the Marines
http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2012/post-214-1332992181.jpg Interesting 607 with round carbine HGs Thats an interesting 607, I wonder if the SOG operator swapped the HG? Or the Vietnamese or maybe the museum did it I've never seen any SOG boys rolling with 607s and I've only seen a few with E1s. 99% of recon and Hatchet Force guys rolled with E2s. So only the sf advisors got them? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/3/2012 7:54:50 PM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By b_rogers: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By b_rogers: Originally Posted By polecat30: Stolen from another forum, pics are from the EOD facility on Pendelton: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2012/post-214-1332992055.jpg This is an M-16 that was captured and used by the VC and then recaptured by the Marines http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2012/post-214-1332992181.jpg Interesting 607 with round carbine HGs Thats an interesting 607, I wonder if the SOG operator swapped the HG? Or the Vietnamese or maybe the museum did it I've never seen any SOG boys rolling with 607s and I've only seen a few with E1s. 99% of recon and Hatchet Force guys rolled with E2s. So only the sf advisors got them? I've seen a few photos of regular grunts with E1s and I'm sure a few E2s found their way into regular units but for the most part, those carbines were allocated for SOF and their indig. I've mostly seen photos of SEALs with early CAR-15s (607s). |
|
|
|
VA, USA
|
Posted: 4/4/2012 9:01:10 AM EDT
[#25]
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
I've seen a few photos of regular grunts with E1s and I'm sure a few E2s found their way into regular units but for the most part, those carbines were allocated for SOF and their indig. I've mostly seen photos of SEALs with early CAR-15s (607s). The 607s, along with the 605s, were likely only used by the SEALs. They're definitely the only ones I've ever seen with them in pictures. Its possible these got traded around other special units, but the numbers were so small that it would be hard to tell. The XM177E1 was initially intended for RTOs, and dog handlers, but quickly found its way to specialized units, as well as officers. I think the E2 was earmarked specifically for specialized units. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/4/2012 10:36:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: b_rogers]
[#26]
I have seen a pic of a 173rd airborne guy in front of a hooch and there's a 607 leaning against the sandbags behind him.
ETA: here it is.. 
|
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 4/6/2012 9:55:08 AM EDT
[#27]
I LOVE this thread!! BTW, when did foregrips start to come into play or is that a more recent phenom?
And a HUGE thanks to all who served and are serving. God bless. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/21/2012 4:08:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: osprey21]
[#28]
  |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/23/2012 6:37:11 PM EDT
[#29]
|
|
|
|
GA, USA
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 11:47:45 AM EDT
[#30]
Found this on an SF site and the pic is dated 1966. Is that a 601?
|
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 11:51:29 AM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By LJM:
Found this on an SF site and the pic is dated 1966. Is that a 601? http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/Pat95B/MACVSOGFOB2Kontum1966.jpg Looks like 601 to me. Cool pic! |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 1:36:19 PM EDT
[#32]
I believe it's a 602 - I say that not because of the color of the furniture, but because of the newer style CH and more importantly, it looks like an engraved arrow near the rear sight wheel.
|
|
|
|
MD, USA
|
Posted: 5/5/2012 11:20:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jim_wombat]
[#33]
Looks like the buttstock is green, they might have just put on new hanguards when the orginal green ones needed replacement. On the charging handle, I bet they updated to the new charging handle because its a better design. GI's do it now, and they did it back then. I think its a 601.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/5/2012 12:19:25 PM EDT
[#34]
See, the buttstock doesn't look green to me - I think the minor green tint is just the reflection of green that's around him. Secondly, if it were green, why tape the thing with green tape? There were black 601's of course, but I still think it's a 602. Either way, great pic. I spent much of yesterday going through this thread again. I just wish some pics hadn't been lost due to members changing ISP accounts/photo accts etc.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/5/2012 2:31:49 PM EDT
[#35]
Originally Posted By LJM:
It appears he has removed both of the sling swivels & subsequently used green tape to attach the sling to the front sight tower & somewhere @ the front of the stock assembly. Looks nice & quiet-like... 
|
|
|
|
NY, USA
|
Posted: 5/10/2012 11:15:40 AM EDT
[#36]
These are really cool pics, sportin the Tiger Camo.
Does anyone what the Government plans on doing for the out of date Colt M16A2's and M4's? The latest feed says that the M4 will most likely get a facelift or be completely phased out. |
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 5/10/2012 5:07:06 PM EDT
[#37]
Originally Posted By mamertine160:
These are really cool pics, sportin the Tiger Camo. Does anyone what the Government plans on doing for the out of date Colt M16A2's and M4's? The latest feed says that the M4 will most likely get a facelift or be completely phased out. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/14/2012 1:19:57 PM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By MrM1A1:
Originally Posted By mamertine160:
These are really cool pics, sportin the Tiger Camo. Does anyone what the Government plans on doing for the out of date Colt M16A2's and M4's? The latest feed says that the M4 will most likely get a facelift or be completely phased out. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/PlusONEchick3/capncrunch.jpg I don't think even the government knows what they are going to do. I believe the M4/M16 platform has not reached the end of useful life and could solider on for decades to come, with or without major or minor upgrades. Special operations forces tend to purchase whatever they wish to use anyway. The best candidate is the FN SCAR series of weapons IMHO. The gov't just needs to ramp up and put these in the supply chain.No change in caliber, so no logistics issues here. |
|
|
|
AZ, USA
|
Posted: 5/14/2012 2:39:10 PM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By M-Forgery:
Originally Posted By MrM1A1:
Originally Posted By mamertine160:
These are really cool pics, sportin the Tiger Camo. Does anyone what the Government plans on doing for the out of date Colt M16A2's and M4's? The latest feed says that the M4 will most likely get a facelift or be completely phased out. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/PlusONEchick3/capncrunch.jpg I don't think even the government knows what they are going to do. I believe the M4/M16 platform has not reached the end of useful life and could solider on for decades to come, with or without major or minor upgrades. Special operations forces tend to purchase whatever they wish to use anyway. The best candidate is the FN SCAR series of weapons IMHO. The gov't just needs to ramp up and put these in the supply chain.No change in caliber, so no logistics issues here. The biggest problem with the scar is training the Joes with a new manual of arms. Its hard as hell to teach a new 249 gunner let alone an entirely new weapons platform. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2012 11:58:26 PM EDT
[#40]
I don't know about that. 'You WILL learn this' seems to work, of course no boot in the ass these days. Weapons systems are generational things. My main piss and moan is I think it should be law that we use a US desigend and manufactured weapon system. SOF can use whatever they require for their mission, but the standard issue arm should be US made. Otherwise WTF are we about?
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/16/2012 3:06:54 PM EDT
[#41]
I don't mind using foreign designed stuff. As long as we buy the design, not license, not rent.
Then bid that out to whomever can build it here. No special favors to a US located, foreign owned plant. Of course, I think the same thing about domestic designs. Buy the design and bid out the manufacturing. Colt's contract in perpetuity for the M16 series being a great example of how we shouldn't be doing it. Does anyone else think it odd that the constitution forbids funding the mil more than two years at a time, but we have a contract with a vendor since 1966? |
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 5/25/2012 3:52:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mechanicuss]
[#42]
deleted
|
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 5/25/2012 4:40:31 PM EDT
[#43]
I found this old "Nam" book at eh library at school, thought I'd share some pics from it. I think the book said the pics were all from around 1965, so the 603's must be E1's.
Nothing advantageous about taking pics of pics from an old '80's book with an iPhone, but there are some good ones in here. Enjoy!! Credit where credit is due. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/25/2012 9:00:29 PM EDT
[#44]
For more on Tim Page, read Dispatches by Michael Herr, or the most excellent The Cat From Hue by John Lawrence. Somebody in Herr's book told Page "there's an airstrike in your future, Page" and he was right. Page did indeed get hisself blown to smithereens in an airstrike, but survived and (more or less) recovered.
|
|
|
|
ID, USA
|
Posted: 5/27/2012 1:04:07 AM EDT
[#45]
Hopefully this picture came from a MilPhotos thread and not from here, but this might be my favorite M-16 retro pic. 3rd pattern jungles in ERDL on these guys, and some black silent sling love too.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/28/2012 1:28:45 AM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By Andouille:
For more on Tim Page, read Dispatches by Michael Herr, or the most excellent The Cat From Hue by John Lawrence. Somebody in Herr's book told Page "there's an airstrike in your future, Page" and he was right. Page did indeed get hisself blown to smithereens in an airstrike, but survived and (more or less) recovered. Dispatches is a good Nam era book. ....I may have to read it again, it's been many years since the last time. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/28/2012 10:10:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LRRPF52]
[#47]
From all the photos of that confrontation that I've seen, the XM177E1 seems to have seen fairly good distribution among conventional forces, while every SOF unit and LRRP unit usually had XM177E2's, if we're talking about carbines.
Another cool thing to see is the number of K-9 handlers issued XM177E1's. All the other XM177E1's are almost always in the hands of an officer, or leaned up against his ruck during a halt, as in the pics below. 
Check out the frankenmag on this one: 
Joe letting loose with an XM177 with the Moderator replaced by a birdcage. 
Just when you thought you had seen it all...what mag is this? 
|
|
|
|
BEL
|
Posted: 5/29/2012 4:49:21 PM EDT
[#48]
I think it's two 20 rounders welded together
|
|
|
FL, USA
|
Posted: 6/7/2012 3:55:57 PM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By Andouille:
For more on Tim Page, read Dispatches by Michael Herr, or the most excellent The Cat From Hue by John Lawrence. Somebody in Herr's book told Page "there's an airstrike in your future, Page" and he was right. Page did indeed get hisself blown to smithereens in an airstrike, but survived and (more or less) recovered. The story of Tim page and Herr are some of the best reading on Vietnam there is. Fascinating fellas those two. "Dispatches" is a MUST read. Looks like a movie is in the works on the mysterious dissappearance of Sean Flynn and Dana Stone http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/111709504/lost-brothers http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/111709504/lost-brothers/posts/193575 |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/7/2012 11:21:40 PM EDT
[#50]
Originally Posted By nougabol:
I think it's two 20 rounders welded RIVETED together |
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
