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MS, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2004 12:07:23 AM EDT
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It's a good idea to get the 5.56 chamber with any AR that's going to be a "fun gun". That way you can shoot surplus or commercial ammo without any problems. With some of the problems I read about with the Model 1 kit, I decided to get the loosest chamber I could to make that a non-issue. It would also be a good idea to pay extra for the chrome bore, since this kit can be a pain to reassemble. You want to have some maintenance-light options built into the weapon.
I'm also pretty sure that the flash-hider isn't welded, there's no reason that it should be, it's slightly under 16" already. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:57:13 PM EDT
[#2]
where can i find one like this? i looked on bushmasters site and cant find it anywhere. i like how the carbon bushie looks with the handguard so if ima get a pistol its gonna be this one. btw sweet lookin pistol you have there |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2004 10:44:27 PM EDT
[#3]
Ok, time for people to post some new pictures!!!
I wont be able to post any new picutres till the end of the month (OOC trip) but hopefully people wont forget this thread. -Jason |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2004 12:17:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wittzo]
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I would post my pics, but it just looks like any other Model 1 Sales 7.5".
I guess I could do a glamour shot with all my LaRue stuff mounted on top.. I also installed a CQD single point sling loop on it and The Gapper last night. The original spring is still holding up fine, it's a lot easier to breakdown and put back together now that I've done it a few times. Now if only the rain would stop...Every time I put something new on this thing it rains. Edit: I have to wait for photbucket to get 'r' done so I can set up an account. I need a good digital camera to do it justice..Instead of a glamour shot, it looks like a papparazzi shot with a zoom lens.Hmmm I wonder if I need to pose it provocatively with my stainless Ruger MkII. Could the gun world handle a "mixed" relationship? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2004 12:23:01 AM EDT
[#5]
do it! post the glamour shot!!
-Jason |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2004 6:34:05 AM EDT
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I just finished my AR-15 Pistol!!! I used an Eagle Arms forged lower receiver and a Model 1 Sales parts kit. The barrel is 11.5" chrome lined. A3 upper and I filled in the numbers with white paint. The receivers fit perfect, no fitting needed. The parts did have a fairly cheap finish. I plan on refinishing it in the future. I had to smooth up the Model 1 parts a little bit. Also the parts needed to be cleaned and lubed. I just used some CLP/Break-Free. I test fired it and had no problems. The muzzle flash wasn't too bad; the 7.5" barrels are really bad about that. But there was still a few sparks. I think a Vortex flash hider will do the trick. The quality is definitely on the lower end, but they can be very good with some work. It took Model 1 about a month to get the parts to me though. Last time I ordered something from them it took less than a week. So overall, considering the price, I am very pleased with my weapon. The main thing is, it runs reliably and is accurate. I will continue to work on it. I’ll keep you posted and I’ll add more pics with my progress. http://www.geocities.com/deadly_instruments/arpistol.jpg
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Posted: 11/6/2004 12:31:11 PM EDT
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Nice. You can always get a side sling adapter for the front, so that you don't have to hook it on the front sight. (But who's going to be "aiming" a pistol any how....) 
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MS, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2004 12:31:47 AM EDT
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'Ere we go...Model 1 Sales 7.5" upper with an A1 Flash hider, 5.56 chamber, chrome barrel, National Match front sight post, a CQD single sling loop and a removable carrying handle. I used a Model 1 Sales pistol buffer with no problems, minor problems with the charging handle. RRA lower with National Match trigger. I plan on getting another stripped lower so I can put a rifle upper on the nice trigger. I took my LaRue Tactical Eotech base, LaRue Tactical BUIS, and Eotech off my Bushmaster M4gery for the "glamour shot." Now to mount my G2 Surefire for another bit of kit. To mention another thread, do I need a digital camera or another Eotech? 
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Posted: 11/12/2004 11:51:22 AM EDT
[#9]
t-t-tag!
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2004 9:18:54 AM EDT
[#10]
Just gave my good old Pro. Ord. Carbon-15 a makeover. New rubber ergo grip, DPMS lo-pro upper receiver, used Bushy v-match free float hand guard chopped and fitted, rear swivel sling ring, harris mounting stud in the front, home made single point sling. Total cost less than $160.
  
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Posted: 11/24/2004 1:19:23 PM EDT
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I thought the old Pro. Ordance Carbon 15's were pripriatory uppers and that standard uppers wouldn't fit? (I was guessing the pin holes were different???) Or was it just their carrier that was different.... |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2004 1:35:45 PM EDT
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Is there any way to get rid of that tube in the back? Leftover from the stock I assume?
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2004 1:48:51 PM EDT
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LOL. You really got yourself set up on this one. I'll leave others to shoot you down. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2004 1:54:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ar15seeker]
[#14]
You are right. The pin holes does not quite line up. But where there's a will there is a way. I had to grind a round pin down to oval shape to get it to fit. Pro Ord bolt carriers are standard carrier cut shorter. Field strip is a real pain because the buffer is in the way, had to release both pins or undo the buffer tube. |
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Posted: 11/24/2004 8:41:57 PM EDT
[#15]
I'm not gonna be mean! The tube is the "buffer tube" that the recoil spring and buffer ride inside. It is an essential piece of equipment. Go to Bushmaster.com and find the schematic diagram for an AR and you'll see what I mean. Do we have the schematic diagram up yet here on arfcom? |
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Posted: 11/24/2004 8:45:52 PM EDT
[#16]
www.ar15.com/content/guides/parts/lower.html
here you go go to the main page by clicking on the logo banner and find the library link on the left side... The rest is up to you! |
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Posted: 11/25/2004 2:55:44 PM EDT
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Tagged
I am building an AR pistol now I want to be able to find this for reference. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2004 3:46:19 PM EDT
[#18]
Here’s one more, just added some extra to that dual-tone look.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2004 4:50:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: monkeyman]
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This my redone pistol compared with a CAR15. I took the pistol buffer off and replaced it with a car buffer. I also drilled and installed a sling swival. This not only aids in steadying the pistol but prevents a tele stock from being slipped on. With the cheap red dot I was easily able to hit a 12 inch gong at 100 yards. It used ot have a Model 1 pistol buffer on it which worked very well. I just thought a CAR buffer would be more SBR like.
Edited: The pistol is now sporting a pistol scope and a harris bi-pod for long range shooting. Work pretty well. 
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Posted: 11/27/2004 10:15:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: orionmkii]
[#20]
Tagarooski...
ETA: Hey Big-Bore what brand sight/rail is on top of that thing? Also is that an entry length buffer tube? Sweet looking pistol.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2004 9:53:15 PM EDT
[#21]
Fired mine again today... (I've only been back in the country for a week... I missed my guns!)
Its weird how this guns works... or doesnt... It likes SS109 and ran like a champ without any problems.... but as soon as I changed to some Remington White box ammo... it wouldnt cycle the next round for the life of me...... CRAP! I'm going to buy some more SS109 and try again.... maybe it has more powder... maybe my spring needs another loop cut off... I really dont know right now. -Jason |
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Posted: 12/5/2004 10:09:47 PM EDT
[#22]
Thanks.
The top rail is the ARMS #38 super extended, but I had to cut it down about 1.5 inches to let the front sight fold down. Man, that hurt cutting down a $180 rail! Talk about sweating bullets! The buffer tube I got from ACE and it is for their ARFX stock along with the ARFX receiver end plate clamp and sling swivel. I "think" the tube is the same as the entry buffer tube but won't swear to it. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2004 10:17:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Yup, its the same, I have an entry kit. I may go to that buffer system soon.... If I cant get this darn M1S kit to work... -Jason |
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Posted: 12/5/2004 10:18:25 PM EDT
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Man, I know it is none of my business what you do, and the longer buffer tube is not as compact and svelte looking as the pistol buffer tube, but dump that thing and put on a CAR length tube, spring, and buffer and quit putting up with all those headaches the Model 1 pistol tube causes. That is why I went with the CAR length tube in the first place. A search of past problems related to AR pistols convinced me the Model 1 tube is nothing but a royal PITA. Every time you switch loads you have to readjust the darned thing. The CAR tube/spring/buffer runs perfectly with anything you feed it, every time.
I have to hand it to you all though. You guys have more patience than I do. I would have thrown the damned thing into the river if I had been having all the trouble you guys have been having, with all the spring replacing, clipping coils... |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2004 10:24:46 PM EDT
[#25]
I felt like breaking it a couple times today....
I was shooting my AK, a few tactical shottys, a a CX4 Storm and a load of pistols today right along with the AR15 pistol... We were shooting waaay out in the woods, but somehow a crowd formed (maybe 15 trucks) I really dont know how they all showed up... it just happened... but everytime I would shoot that pistol everyone would stop and look... and I could hear them talking about it... BADASS. but as soon as it had problems, most of the people thought it was my fault... almost like I was breaking it due to stupidity.... hhhhhmmmm..... time to put that gun away and go back to the SAR1. -Jason |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2004 10:57:44 PM EDT
[#26]
Mine has not had a single jam using any brass cased ammo. I was even able to pump fired it when I'm doing my part. Quite a different story with poly-coated steel cased Wolf ammo.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/6/2004 12:15:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Noner]
[#27]
Alright... I'll try the "other" way...
   -Jason |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2004 10:00:50 PM EDT
[#28]
 Time for people to post some new pictures! -Jason |
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Posted: 12/16/2004 10:23:02 PM EDT
[#29]
How is it running now with the CAR length tube/buffer/spring?
Looks mighty good. I have to ask you a question though. When I tried to use the CAR receiver end plate with my ACE ARFX tube sandwiching the REP between the tube shelf and the receiver, the tube did not reach in far enough to retain the buffer retainer pin. That was why I had to go with ACE's clamp on receiver end plate. Did you not put in the buffer retainer pin or did your buffer tube go in far enough to prevent the buffer retainer pin from popping out? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2004 10:32:16 PM EDT
[#30]
I've been waiting for this question for more than a week. Nope, I realized the problem, so I took out the buffer retaining pin and spring. so no shotgunning the action open for quick upper changes. oh well.. it works flawlessly! I ran 200 rounds almost non stop through it, just to get a good "feel" for how the gun works. I also called ACE and requested information about the "ultra light gussett." that darn little part costs 35 bucks if you order directly.... HELL NO. I'll just have to suffer and not shotgun my upper. I'm seriously considering buying a new front sight assembly for this, because the current one gets in the way. (If anyone wants to trade, let me know.) -Jason |
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Posted: 12/16/2004 10:44:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Hey Noner, where'd you get the long tube?
That would be great for my PDW project! |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2004 10:47:58 PM EDT
[#32]
Call up RRA, and ask them for the buffer tube for the "Entry Stock"
Should be cheap. works 100%, all ammo I've tried and still feels like a pistol rather than a "wannabe SBR" -Jason |
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Posted: 12/16/2004 11:19:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Big-Bore]
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Yes, I about dropped a load also when told the price, and I needed two of them. At that point though I figured in for a penny, in for a pound and went ahead and got them. I had already bought two CAR tubes with the nuts and end plates, but since one of the pistol builds I had planned was for the .458 SOCOM, I was concerned about the sharp square edge of the CAR tube eating a hole in my arm if it recoils much, and with the high bore axis I think it will tend to jump up just a hair. That was why I switched from the CAR tube to the entry tube in the first place. Then realized I needed a different REP, hence another $70 for ACE's. Someday I am going to wish I had all the money back that I have pissed away on this build but until then, let the good times roll! I seriously considered doing away with the buffer retainer also, but knowing me like I do, I could see me having all kinds of problems with it. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2004 11:30:16 PM EDT
[#34]
Big-Bore do you think you could post a close up shot of that little part?
I'm curious to see exactly how it attaches, and if a possible "Jimmy rig" can be made. -Jason |
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Posted: 12/17/2004 12:03:05 AM EDT
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Sure, no problem. As you can see, it is quite a bit thicker than the normal REP. The only advantage I see of this over the normal REP is it does tend to reinforce the area (yah, so what? Does this area really NEED reinforcing???). Also, that large REP comes with a price in addition to it's price tag. Even after one or two shots it kept walking backwards no matter how hard I tightened the screw. I finally fixed it the same way I do with scopes on heavy recoiling rifles: a drop of 3M ScotchKote on the the area where the REP clamps on to. That stopped the walking once and for all.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2004 12:10:02 AM EDT
[#36]
hey, the foam tube...
are we "allowed" to put those on the buffer tubes... I've never even thought about that... -Jason |
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Posted: 12/17/2004 6:40:11 AM EDT
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I don't see why not. I saw that someone else had done it and thought what a great idea. When I bought those $35 REPs ACE sent replacement foam tubes also and they had just been sitting there. When I saw that the other guy had done it I felt pretty stupid for not putting on the covers ACE sent. The foam covering does not make it a shoulder stock any more than the bare tube would and it makes it look better IMO and feel better too when shooting with a cheek weld.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2005 9:02:42 PM EDT
[#38]
bump, lets see more pictures!!
-Jason |
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USA
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Posted: 1/5/2005 1:23:10 AM EDT
[#39]
Soon. Parts are on the way (ordered at least)... |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2005 8:31:32 AM EDT
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It's an old picture and I have posted it a million times, but I still love looking at it. I like handling this little "bullet hose" even more.
MadDog 
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Posted: 1/7/2005 11:08:30 PM EDT
[#41]
schwing!
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2005 11:10:35 PM EDT
[#42]
who makes the upper with the holes in the handgaurd? I still havent figured it out. -Jason |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2005 4:14:29 PM EDT
[#43]
Noner -
The upper is a Model 1 Sales. I just asked for a fluted FF Handguard instead of the nurled because I thought it would look cool with the "teardrop fluted" bezel on my first generation SureFire E1. To my surprise the fluted handguard was drilled. Didn't know they did that but I wasn't about to complain. MadDog 
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SD, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2005 4:27:51 PM EDT
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I still dont understand why someone would want to ruin their rifle by doing that to it. An ar pistol is a joke what is the point it seems worthless for any practical purpos. Please send me all the parts you guys are throwing away.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2005 4:41:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Accomplice1]
[#45]
To some extent, I agree that the pistols have pretty limited applications. But hey, people want to build/ have them and I say go for it. The only reason I bought a new Bushmaster pistol 21S and ordered a BM 97S pistol today is to create ultralight NFA SBRs (the ultimate CQB weapon IMHO).
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2005 4:46:40 PM EDT
[#46]
Thousands of people want something different... and for those people who cant get an SBR (like me) then an AR15 Pistol is ALL WE CAN GET that is close.
Dont thread crap by telling the thousands of people who actually like AR pistols that they own "Jokes" or "Worthless, unpractical weapons." I started this thread to show people something different, and thats exactly what people have done. Its all an educational process. READ the ENTIRE thread before posting personal comments. -Jason AKA "noner" |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2005 4:54:36 PM EDT
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One of the many purposes of a firearm is for recreation.  Just like many other AR-15 pistols, mine with a 7.5" barrel is extremely loud and it shoots out a 20" long flame with each round. It has very little recoil and I can manage to pump fire it. When I shoot it, everyone standing near by can feel the shock wave. It also shoots 1" group with a bipod at 25 yard. None of my other guns can provide as much fun at the range. My pictures are on page 11.
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Posted: 1/8/2005 5:34:34 PM EDT
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Ah, another amazing display of a complete lack of tact, capitalization and punctuation. If you don't understand why someone chooses a certain style of weapon, there are far better ways to phrase your inquiry besides resorting to derogatory and inflammatory statements. |
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Posted: 1/8/2005 8:09:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MRW]
[#49]
Shullear-You're impolite, and a NOOB at that. 6 posts and already a condescending know-it-all. Please refrain from needless insults and patronizing if you wish to be a part of this community.
I personally am going to build a 10.25" PDW, and have enjoyed this thread immensely! |
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Posted: 1/8/2005 8:43:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kaliburz]
[#50]
Well, shullear, the Newbie..... simple. BECAUSE WE CAN! After 10 years of the Govt and their "greater good" telling us that they know what is good for us, we will do what we wish- now that it is 'legal' once more. The ban expired, allowing people to make them again. All the ban did was inflate prices of what they "banned". Practical- maybe, maybe not.... but there are other things out there in the world that are not practical. Look at it at a celebration of "freedom"..... Edit- PS- they're pistols, NOT rifles. |
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