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Posted: 12/23/2010 12:46:22 PM EDT
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also if you smash it in.......how do you know its sitting flush to the upper? it could be in at a minute angle. so whats going to happen when you torque it?? theres been some that claim,how true that barrel sits,can effect accuracy. there are tools they use to make the face of the upper,perfectly true,so that when the barrel extension is slid in,it sits perfectly flush. there was a guy that great job explaining it awhile ago.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 12:56:53 PM EDT
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I had the same problem. Keep the barrel in the freezer overnight, and try to heat the barrel nut threads with a heat gun. That should allow the barrel to finally fit into the upper. That's what I did and it still took some hammering! I don't know how I will ever get it out. If you sent it to Adco they could probably take a few .oo1's off and it could be removed! |
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Posted: 12/23/2010 12:58:43 PM EDT
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sorry!
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Posted: 12/23/2010 1:04:36 PM EDT
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also if you smash it in.......how do you know its sitting flush to the upper? it could be in at a minute angle. so whats going to happen when you torque it?? theres been some that claim,how true that barrel sits,can effect accuracy. there are tools they use to make the face of the upper,perfectly true,so that when the barrel extension is slid in,it sits perfectly flush. there was a guy that great job explaining it awhile ago. Don't see how that could happen, if anything the lack of play between the two parts shout prevent misalignment! and the barrel nut should seat it tight to the upper assuming that the two faces are are true! |
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Posted: 12/23/2010 1:39:14 PM EDT
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like I said there are some that are so particular about the seating between the two,that actually fit a jig in the upper and true it to the barrel extension. but anyhow absolutely no need to use a hammer on a tight barrel extension.you would be amazed how much easier it is if you just clean off some of the coating,thats the problem I have noticed. Mine was very tight,would no go at all. just alittle cleaning on the inside, and on the did it. put some E O S assembly lube on it, and she wiggled her way home. now I can take it apart if need be. hammer that barrel extension on......hope you never need to take it apart.
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also if you smash it in.......how do you know its sitting flush to the upper? it could be in at a minute angle. so whats going to happen when you torque it?? theres been some that claim,how true that barrel sits,can effect accuracy. there are tools they use to make the face of the upper,perfectly true,so that when the barrel extension is slid in,it sits perfectly flush. there was a guy that great job explaining it awhile ago. Don't see how that could happen, if anything the lack of play between the two parts shout prevent misalignment! and the barrel nut should seat it tight to the upper assuming that the two faces are are true! |
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Posted: 12/23/2010 1:46:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/23/2010 1:52:24 PM EDT
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Is it a Armalite barrel extension? Armalites take a little more effort to seat the barrel extension in the upper. I have the DPMS extension and a RA Ultramatch 16" I used a heat gun tp heat the upper and it slide right in. Read this it will help install your barrel in to the upper Mega Upper Help YEah, it is an Armalite extension, ill take a look at the link. Thanks very much. I can't believe how tight this extension is. I can attack it with a mallet and smash it in there, but it does make me a little nervous. If I actually do get it in there how in the world would I get the barrel off If I ever needed to change it. I have put together a fair number of uppers in the last 10 years and I have never had one so tight to make me think that if I actually hammered it home I would never be able to take it apart again. Also, what are the chances that something is out of spec? I bet all the extensions come from Armalite and they are probably pretty uniform, same with the Mega, I would be surprised if it the upper hole was to small. Anyway, right now I have no idea if I should smash it in there or do something else. Edit to add some pics, I am going to put the lower together tomorrow, and deal with the barrel after that. http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/azeyecap/DSC_1356.jpg http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/azeyecap/DSC_1358.jpg DONT DO THAT!!! you will gall up the inside of the upper,theres a simple fix ,trust me. get some dark gray wet sand paper(320 grit). mine was the same way. its the coating,thats thick,that is holding it up.I have had it happen with others before.if you just wet sand in a circular/cylindrical direction inside the upper area only were it meets.lightly,while testing for fit. dont go nuts,and take your time. clean the barrel extension allittle too. after this mine slid in nice and tight. an easy fix. I was thinking that I could sand the extension until I took just enough off to cram it in there. But I was worried what could happen if I remove material from the extension unevenly and then it might not sit in the upper straight and true. I have my barrel in the freezer again, this time it will be as cold as it can get and I will try again when I get home today. I don’t think the freezer and a heat gun will get this done, even if it does it will be in there so tight I would never be able to remove it. I am really not looking forward to smashing my $400 barrel into my $500 upper lower combo, this is a little irritating. My options -Heat gun. Barrel in freezer. Rubber mallet. Smash away. Problems with this option: I might not be able to get the barrel off the upper ever again, and if I smash away and the barrel doesn’t go in straight I would never be able to turn the barrel to line the pin up with the upper. -Sand away on the extension to free up some space. Problems with this option: I could sand unevenly and mess something up. -Give it to my gunsmith and let him mess with it. Problems with this option: Costs money, he would probably just do one of the things from above that I can do myself. He might have done this before so he would be better at it -Order another barrel and sell the one I have. Problems with this option: Might have the same problem (this barrel fits snug but fine in a Armalite upper). -Complain to Mega. Problems with this option: I don't like complaining until I have exhausted other options |
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Posted: 12/23/2010 2:07:39 PM EDT
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from everything that i heard, they are suppossed to be tight to the point that a heat gun is need to slid the barrel in,
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Posted: 12/23/2010 2:13:33 PM EDT
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I had the same problem bro. on other build too. trust me its easy as hell,its the thick coating on the inside,that I seem to notice. dont go nuts,just clean off a little at a time on both, you will be a happy camper. just go get some 320 grit dark gray wet sand,dry sand it, and be done with it.sand only the mating areasand dont go nuts. mine did not even go through the coating,and it slid on. use motor oil or assembly lube to slide it on. BTW another barrel wont solve the problem if yours did it and my stainless did it,whats that tell you? I actually like it like that.....mine is nice and tight/fitted just the way they should be.
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Is it a Armalite barrel extension? Armalites take a little more effort to seat the barrel extension in the upper. I have the DPMS extension and a RA Ultramatch 16" I used a heat gun tp heat the upper and it slide right in. Read this it will help install your barrel in to the upper Mega Upper Help YEah, it is an Armalite extension, ill take a look at the link. Thanks very much. I can't believe how tight this extension is. I can attack it with a mallet and smash it in there, but it does make me a little nervous. If I actually do get it in there how in the world would I get the barrel off If I ever needed to change it. I have put together a fair number of uppers in the last 10 years and I have never had one so tight to make me think that if I actually hammered it home I would never be able to take it apart again. Also, what are the chances that something is out of spec? I bet all the extensions come from Armalite and they are probably pretty uniform, same with the Mega, I would be surprised if it the upper hole was to small. Anyway, right now I have no idea if I should smash it in there or do something else. Edit to add some pics, I am going to put the lower together tomorrow, and deal with the barrel after that. http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/azeyecap/DSC_1356.jpg http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/azeyecap/DSC_1358.jpg DONT DO THAT!!! you will gall up the inside of the upper,theres a simple fix ,trust me. get some dark gray wet sand paper(320 grit). mine was the same way. its the coating,thats thick,that is holding it up.I have had it happen with others before.if you just wet sand in a circular/cylindrical direction inside the upper area only were it meets.lightly,while testing for fit. dont go nuts,and take your time. clean the barrel extension allittle too. after this mine slid in nice and tight. an easy fix. I was thinking that I could sand the extension until I took just enough off to cram it in there. But I was worried what could happen if I remove material from the extension unevenly and then it might not sit in the upper straight and true. I have my barrel in the freezer again, this time it will be as cold as it can get and I will try again when I get home today. I don’t think the freezer and a heat gun will get this done, even if it does it will be in there so tight I would never be able to remove it. I am really not looking forward to smashing my $400 barrel into my $500 upper lower combo, this is a little irritating. My options -Heat gun. Barrel in freezer. Rubber mallet. Smash away. Problems with this option: I might not be able to get the barrel off the upper ever again, and if I smash away and the barrel doesn’t go in straight I would never be able to turn the barrel to line the pin up with the upper. -Sand away on the extension to free up some space. Problems with this option: I could sand unevenly and mess something up. -Give it to my gunsmith and let him mess with it. Problems with this option: Costs money, he would probably just do one of the things from above that I can do myself. He might have done this before so he would be better at it -Order another barrel and sell the one I have. Problems with this option: Might have the same problem (this barrel fits snug but fine in a Armalite upper). -Complain to Mega. Problems with this option: I don't like complaining until I have exhausted other options BTW. sand evenly in a cylindrical directionvery lightly,while testing for fit 
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Posted: 12/24/2010 3:40:53 PM EDT
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well just got mine in,
heated the upper receiver up in the oven for 10 minutes, as i dont have a blow dryer, threw the 18 inch noveske in the freezer for the same amount of time. barrel slid right in, all i have to do now is torque down the DD barrel nut, mount the light rail, get my lower parts kit in, and thats it |
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Posted: 12/25/2010 10:14:19 AM EDT
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Well it was a piece of cake with the right barrel nut!
I only need to put my trigger group in and mount the scope! I have a bill springfield 2.5 # trigger with the lightened hammer, but I have heard it might not be heavy enough to light the primer. I have a ssa-e in a 5.56 that i will swap out I think! Merry Christmas Everybody! |
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Posted: 12/25/2010 10:59:36 AM EDT
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I have the bill springfield 2.5 lb trigger myself and you will be fine. It ignites regular primmers fine, and I can't report any issues with the harder military primmers either. Great trigger for the money BTW, I have 3 of them in different pull weights.
Also have an ssa-e in another build that is amazing as well, so just depends if you want a single stage or two stage pull. Pat |
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Posted: 12/25/2010 9:27:52 PM EDT
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Stupid question but could I build a Ma-Ten with a DPMS. .260 rem barrel??
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Posted: 12/26/2010 12:11:06 AM EDT
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correct
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Posted: 12/26/2010 3:54:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2010 11:00:00 PM EDT
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Stupid question but could I build a Ma-Ten with a DPMS. .260 rem barrel?? Go for it. I ordered my 260 barrel from BHW I'm hoping to have it some time next week. |
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Posted: 12/28/2010 11:29:30 PM EDT
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I am almost finished with my build, I only need to finish installing the bolt catch and the flash hider. I can't seem to find a allen key in the garage to install the bolt catch, and I just haven't decided which of the two flash hiders I have to install.
Parts lists -Mega upper/lower -standard LPK- I still need to research which match trigger I am going to use (suggestions appreciated) -Standard A2 stock -Armalite National Match Carry Handle, Troy fixed rail mounted front sight -Armalite AR10T barrel cut down to 20 inches w/ larue block, Armalite BCG -Samson 13'' rail with magpul rail covers -I have an Accu-shot Atlas bipod that just shipped, it will be here on 3Jan 
I have never had a nice heavy AR type rifle with good open sights, and for a while I might run it without a scope and see how well I can do. If not I have a super sniper 3x9 on another .308 I might cannibalize for my Ma-Ten. |
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Posted: 12/29/2010 5:22:54 PM EDT
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Geissele SSA-E Trigger... absolutely love mine
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Posted: 12/29/2010 6:11:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2010 8:46:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2010 9:32:02 AM EDT
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Iooks great azeyecap !!
I just installed a RRA NM trigger and LPK, I was very impressed with how it all fits,pins were very tight, and the trigger was awesome! and even better,did not cost much at all compared to others. the guy I got the kit from sells the triggers for 87$ shipped by themsleves. |
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:24:20 AM EDT
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I was really looking forward to building this but now I must sell it. Oh well
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Posted: 12/30/2010 12:29:16 PM EDT
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I was really looking forward to building this but now I must sell it. Oh well Why may I ask? |
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Posted: 12/31/2010 1:48:13 PM EDT
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So which bolt and barrel pattern to go with DPMS or Armalite and why?
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Posted: 12/31/2010 2:30:34 PM EDT
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So which bolt and barrel pattern to go with DPMS or Armalite and why? And please, no answers like "personal preference" Personal preference. Noveske doesn't do DPMS pattern barrels - that made my choice pretty easy. I also think that the Armalite "carbine" style longer gas is a better setup than DPMS's shorter "carbine" length. |
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Posted: 12/31/2010 2:44:39 PM EDT
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I know you didnt want to hear personal pref, but honestly thats what it is, especially if going with a barrel from a custom maker.
It boils down to do you want a bolt coated in something other than park for ease of cleaning, and does the barrel you want come set for a specific bolt head? If you go with a maker like krieger or rock or anyone where you tell them exactly what you want as far as length and profile ext you can usually get either head type. I personally am going with dpms due to the BAT adapter that APA uses being fit for DPMS bolts. You cant go wrong with either really, both will run just as good. Pick your barrel and get the bolt that matches. Pat PS got my scopes in last night, two 3-9 ss ffps as some others on here have and cant say enough good things about them. |
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Posted: 12/31/2010 3:47:03 PM EDT
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Pat, forgive my ignorance, but what is a BAT adapter and who is APA?
Does anyone know how much Rainer would charge to install the barrel on my mega if I bought from them? |
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Posted: 12/31/2010 4:55:11 PM EDT
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Xander, Rainier should have it on thier website. I think its listed as "build upper" or something to that effect. Otherwise you can email them. They are pretty good about getting back to you.
I went with a armalite barrel/bolt combo becuase rainier sells thier barel in either or but when i placed the order the dpms ones were out of stock in the 20" and they had no idea when they would come in. So i just grabbed the armalite pattern and armalite bcg. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/31/2010 5:36:56 PM EDT
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a BAT adapter is BAT machining's barrel extension. When putting a barrel on an ar you need the barrel extension, most barrels come with this, the thicker part that slides into the reciever and is held by the barrel nut. BAT maching makes high precision stuff for long range shooting in very tight specs. When you get a barrel or rifle built by GAP ( GA Precision) or APA (american precision arms) or another high quality rifle builder they usually dont use just stock DPMS barrel extensions because they are not "in spec" enough for them.
APA is american precision arms as i said, and they are one of the best rifle builder of precision rigs around. I am hoping to get as much accuracy out of my rig as possible so i am going to them for a custom mike rock barrel on my upper and having them assemble it. Pat |
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Posted: 12/31/2010 8:09:12 PM EDT
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PS got my scopes in last night, two 3-9 ss ffps as some others on here have and cant say enough good things about them. are these the SWFA Super Sniper Scopes? |
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Posted: 1/1/2011 1:11:10 PM EDT
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Panther, Yea they are the SWFA 3-9 FFP super sniper ones. From what i can tell they are extremely well made, and for the price cant be beat. The FFP is super nice as well because you can use it for ranging at any magnification unlike SFP units that must be set to a predesignated power for the mill dots to be correct for range use.
SWFA shipped super fast and i had them in my hands the second day after ordering. I do wish the scopes came with some instructions or literature, but nope just in a plain white box. O well ill take the cash savings over a booklet and fancy box any day. Pat |
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Posted: 1/1/2011 5:55:41 PM EDT
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Panther, Yea they are the SWFA 3-9 FFP super sniper ones. From what i can tell they are extremely well made, and for the price cant be beat. The FFP is super nice as well because you can use it for ranging at any magnification unlike SFP units that must be set to a predesignated power for the mill dots to be correct for range use. SWFA shipped super fast and i had them in my hands the second day after ordering. I do wish the scopes came with some instructions or literature, but nope just in a plain white box. O well ill take the cash savings over a booklet and fancy box any day. Pat I just wish they made them in 5 or 6 - 20 or 25 x 50. I am using my redfield revolution 3-9 intil i can afford a scope. I am debating between Falcon Menace 5-25x50($500) w/ffp or leupold mark 4 er/t 6.5-20x50 w/ffp ($1400) I know the leupold will be a better scope but will it be $900 better is my issue. I didn't really skimp anywhere on the rifle, i dont want to skimp on glass |
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Posted: 1/1/2011 6:40:49 PM EDT
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Too many reports of Falcons failing in the field. I suggest the Leupold or wait and see if the new Vortex PST scopes perform well.
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Posted: 1/1/2011 8:52:41 PM EDT
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If you don't need the glass right away swfa has plans to add to the ss line through this year. They just released the 1-4 power two or so days ago, and there are talks of a 4-16 or 6-24 power in the works. Not sure which would be first or what the true magnification are gona be, but they do have plans for higher magnification glass in the works.
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Posted: 1/2/2011 1:03:15 AM EDT
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anybody using a ambi mag release on their ma-10?
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:42:13 AM EDT
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anybody using a ambi mag release on their ma-10? I'm using the Troy ambi mag release and like it, even though my maten is far from being finished. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:11:36 AM EDT
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Panther i run the Norgon ambi releases on almost every one of my rifles including one on each of my MaTen sets. Really like them, honestly the best ambi mag releases i have found. I can throw up pics if you would like.
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:59:31 AM EDT
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anybody using a ambi mag release on their ma-10? I use the troy as well on my Ma/Ten. I like it better than Norgon. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 12:54:02 PM EDT
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Panther i run the Norgon ambi releases on almost every one of my rifles including one on each of my MaTen sets. Really like them, honestly the best ambi mag releases i have found. I can throw up pics if you would like. Pat Pics would be great! Thanks! Quoted:
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:37:15 PM EDT
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I was really looking forward to building this but now I must sell it. Oh well Why may I ask? I have not time with work, It has been sitting in the box collecting dust and I figures I would sell it for what I paid for to give someone a deal. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 8:32:54 PM EDT
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Quick update with my rifle. I did relieve a bit more in the gas block to fit the current location.
It worked flawlessly with some "break-in" South African R1M1 and PMP. And I tried some Black Hills Match 168gr. Went bang, cycled, and locked back on an empty mag. Unfortunately, I do not have any targets. After becoming very frustrated at the poor grouping, I saw that my scope had moved 3/4" under recoil. This picture says it all: http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/mm53054/Forum/ANGRYFFFFUUUU.jpg |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 8:41:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2011 9:29:28 PM EDT
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thanks archad
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Posted: 1/3/2011 12:39:07 PM EDT
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All done no range report yet!
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Posted: 1/3/2011 11:35:31 PM EDT
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I just read all 16 pages of this and think I might want to build one of these with a 20in in 308.I currently have a DPMS LR 260H that has a 20in barrel that I don't like.
Not the gun so much but the caliber. I reload for several bolt guns in 308 and this is just another caliber to keep track of, as far as loads, bullets, ballistics, ect. It is stock except for the JP trigger and adjustable gas block. Been looking at 308 barrels and JP hand guards to swap out on it and be done with it. Until I came across this thread. Those MA Ten's look a lot nicer. They seem to be less bulky looking. My question 1. Other than Buying a 308 barrel, JP hand guard, and MA-Ten upper and lower, will the rest of the parts from my DPMS LR 260H work? 2. What would be a fair price on EE for my 260 left over parts. If I decide to do this. (Receivers and barrel) 3. Or should I just Buy the barrel and hand-guard and be done with it? |
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Posted: 1/4/2011 5:05:45 PM EDT
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I just read all 16 pages of this and think I might want to build one of these with a 20in in 308.I currently have a DPMS LR 260H that has a 20in barrel that I don't like. Not the gun so much but the caliber. I reload for several bolt guns in 308 and this is just another caliber to keep track of, as far as loads, bullets, ballistics, ect. It is stock except for the JP trigger and adjustable gas block. Been looking at 308 barrels and JP hand guards to swap out on it and be done with it. Until I came across this thread. Those MA Ten's look a lot nicer. They seem to be less bulky looking. My question 1. Other than Buying a 308 barrel, JP hand guard, and MA-Ten upper and lower, will the rest of the parts from my DPMS LR 260H work? 2. What would be a fair price on EE for my 260 left over parts. If I decide to do this. (Receivers and barrel) 3. Or should I just Buy the barrel and hand-guard and be done with it? 1) As long as the barrel you order has the DPMS barrel extension on it you will be able to use. I don't have enough experience with DPMS 308 or 260 rifles to know if the bolt is the same, but you would need to make sure you get a 308 bolt or check to see if the 260 uses a 308 bolt. If you get the JP handguards make sure you get one with a DPMS barrel nut. Make sure your gas block will fit on the barrel you order, or you can always order a new gas block. That takes care of the upper. As for as the lower goes, the Lower parts will work in the MA-Ten, with the exception of the take down and pivot pins, but those are included with the MA-ten set. You may also have a fit issue when using the DPMS blot catch, but you can sand it down to make it fit. 2) Not sure, check on the EE to see in any one is selling anything similar. I would guess you would have better luck selling the barrel and receivers separately. 3) The Mega Set is very high quality, you would save money by just swapping your barrel and hand guards out. I guess its just up to how much you want to spend. |
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Posted: 1/4/2011 6:30:36 PM EDT
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The 260 remington and 308 use the same case head so you would be able to swap bolts over without issue. I am not sure what the value of the used parts would be, but i would suggest selling the whole rifle and starting over, atleast that is what i would do.
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Posted: 1/4/2011 7:23:44 PM EDT
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Tagged for info .
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Posted: 1/4/2011 9:20:30 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info. I'm still on the fence.
Will call my buddy who is a rifle smith and see what he can get receiver's, barrels and hand guards for tomorrow. One way or the other I will end up with a 308. |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 9:40:22 PM EDT
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Stopped by my local rifle smith today, and he has a MA Ten in stock so I picked it up. Also he ordered me a JP free float tube. Now all I need is a barrel.
Any good suggestions on a 20 barrel. Thanks Quoted:
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I just read all 16 pages of this and think I might want to build one of these with a 20in in 308.I currently have a DPMS LR 260H that has a 20in barrel that I don't like. Not the gun so much but the caliber. I reload for several bolt guns in 308 and this is just another caliber to keep track of, as far as loads, bullets, ballistics, ect. It is stock except for the JP trigger and adjustable gas block. Been looking at 308 barrels and JP hand guards to swap out on it and be done with it. Until I came across this thread. Those MA Ten's look a lot nicer. They seem to be less bulky looking. My question 1. Other than Buying a 308 barrel, JP hand guard, and MA-Ten upper and lower, will the rest of the parts from my DPMS LR 260H work? 2. What would be a fair price on EE for my 260 left over parts. If I decide to do this. (Receivers and barrel) 3. Or should I just Buy the barrel and hand-guard and be done with it? 1) As long as the barrel you order has the DPMS barrel extension on it you will be able to use. I don't have enough experience with DPMS 308 or 260 rifles to know if the bolt is the same, but you would need to make sure you get a 308 bolt or check to see if the 260 uses a 308 bolt. If you get the JP handguards make sure you get one with a DPMS barrel nut. Make sure your gas block will fit on the barrel you order, or you can always order a new gas block. That takes care of the upper. As for as the lower goes, the Lower parts will work in the MA-Ten, with the exception of the take down and pivot pins, but those are included with the MA-ten set. You may also have a fit issue when using the DPMS blot catch, but you can sand it down to make it fit. 2) Not sure, check on the EE to see in any one is selling anything similar. I would guess you would have better luck selling the barrel and receivers separately. 3) The Mega Set is very high quality, you would save money by just swapping your barrel and hand guards out. I guess its just up to how much you want to spend. wenr to mfle |
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