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NY, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2016 1:23:44 PM EDT
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Hi SCPossum1,
You should change your handle to "DeerSlayer" Congrats on your recent hunting success. I have not made any chamber gauges to the new Spec-II standard. I have found that if you load to a C.O.L. of 2.26 everything fits the Spec-II standard. IF you or anybody else with the Spec-II chamber wants their old gauges modified or a Spec-II chamber gauge let me know. Let me know. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 1:46:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Et2ss]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Hi Et2ss, So you have the twin to my original 16.5" barrel. How has it been working out? I would like to know what your application is, deer, varmints, etc...? The new "Spec. II" chamber has a longer throat/lead. This allows you to seat bullets out to a C.O.L of 2.31". This allows you to take advantage mags like the stainless steel ASC . The also helps with bullets that have a short ogives like the 90 gn. GameKing, 117 gn Hornady Round Nose, and 100 gn Speer BT, and Sierra 100 gn GameKings, etc. Yes, the older chambers can be easily updated to the newer Spec. The new chamber Spec. seems to give an additional 50+ fps to this round. 320pf I'm just mostly target shooting with it. Been launching 100gr pills using a graycard recipe (H335) no problem. Did take a woodchuck with it (target of opportunity) he didn't seem to know the difference between chambres, LOL |
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Posted: 10/27/2016 11:25:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VeritatisUnus]
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Does anyone have the spec 2 with the newest loads and a 16" barrel? I'm thinking of building an ultra light (sub 6 lb sans glass) carbine and am curious about the ballistics.
Also, I just saw a video where hornady will be releasing in '17 a new 25-35 load with a flex tip. It didn't say what grain, but this just might be an ideal bullet if it is released as a reloading component. ETA: just checked hornady's site and it's a 110gr. The flex tip is what they use in their lever revolution line; these bullets are typically short and have a soft ballistic tip that flexes flat as to not detonate the primer of a round in front of the bullet in a tube magazine. I see potential here for our cat... Imagine loading long to compress the tip in the mag, then as the round feeds, the tip rebounds for a better BC. And since the 25-35 is ballistically similar to our cat, one can deduce that the bullet's expansion thresholds are within our velocity limitations. ETA 2: hell yeah. It WILL be offered as a component. Look at the details, .340 BC and expands down to 1600 fps. This has serious potential. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 9:21:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chewbacca:
Does anyone have the spec 2 with the newest loads and a 16" barrel? I'm thinking of building an ultra light (sub 6 lb sans glass) carbine and am curious about the ballistics. Also, I just saw a video where hornady will be releasing in '17 a new 25-35 load with a flex tip. It didn't say what grain, but this just might be an ideal bullet if it is released as a reloading component. ETA: just checked hornady's site and it's a 110gr. The flex tip is what they use in their lever revolution line; these bullets are typically short and have a soft ballistic tip that flexes flat as to not detonate the primer of a round in front of the bullet in a tube magazine. I see potential here for our cat... Imagine loading long to compress the tip in the mag, then as the round feeds, the tip rebounds for a better BC. And since the 25-35 is ballistically similar to our cat, one can deduce that the bullet's expansion thresholds are within our velocity limitations. ETA 2: hell yeah. It WILL be offered as a component. Look at the details, .340 BC and expands down to 1600 fps. This has serious potential. I have a 16" with spec II chamber, just look through my posts in this thread. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2016 9:43:44 PM EDT
[#5]
nice on the FTX, by hornady.
may have to give it a go. forgot just how accurate my 25-223 is. shot it at 200yds, a nice 2" group, for me, that's really really good! |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2016 1:53:52 PM EDT
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Finally got to stretch this round out with a 300 yard shot. The doe ran about 30 yds and dropped. Same wound channel. Double lung shot. A little smaller exit wound. Checked the yardage with a rangefinder to make sure.
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The gun is a 24" light barrel with a spec II chamber. I am running around 2700fps shooting a Hornady 100gr with AA2200 at 2.28" and ACS mags. [img  " />
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NY, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2016 11:07:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
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SCPossium,
Nice shooting! Your work pretty much shows that the 25-223AR and get the job done out to 300 yrds. The JBM Ballistics program calculates that the 100 gn Hornady Spire point is going about 1983 fps and has about 873 ft-lbs of energy at 300 yrds. The only problem that I see is it seems that Hornady discontinued the 100 gn Hornady Spire point. 
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Posted: 11/7/2016 5:08:03 PM EDT
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The .25-223 laid down another cow elk yesterday. A little smaller than the one I got last year but still 400 lbs. easy. One shot to the neck from about 100 yards with the Remington 700 and the 80-grain TTSX under 24.0 gr of R7. Fortunately the drag was all downhill.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2016 5:28:29 PM EDT
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Great job! That is awesome!
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Posted: 11/7/2016 11:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCPossum1:
Great job! That is awesome! Indeed! |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2016 11:41:45 PM EDT
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Woods report:
The 25/223 gave up its second 300 yard deer this morning. I pulled the shot and put the bullet about 3" too high and she dropped right where she stood. We don't intentionally look for these long shots, but seems like lately they cross on a regular basis that far away at this stand. Nice to know fhe caliber and rifle can do it when you need to make those kind of shots. The best thing I did this year was to put a 6-24x50 vortex on the top. Kind of helps when you can see what you are shooting.  .
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Posted: 11/7/2016 11:51:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VeritatisUnus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCPossum1:
Woods report: The 25/223 gave up its second 300 yard deer this morning. I pulled the shot and put the bullet about 3" too high and she dropped right where she stood. We don't intentionally look for these long shots, but seems like lately they cross on a regular basis that far away at this stand. Nice to know fhe caliber and rifle can do it when you need to make those kind of shots. The best thing I did this year was to put a 6-24x50 vortex on the top. Kind of helps when you can see what you are shooting. .Same load? |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2016 7:02:21 AM EDT
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Excellent! Picture soon I hope
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2016 11:35:44 PM EDT
[#14]
At 300 yds the bullet does not expand as much, but both deer were pass throughs. We will have to test it some more.
. But that will have to be next trip as I have a couple of coolers full of meat right now.
Chewbacca, I shot the 90gr Sierra today at the range. It is accurate. I made it to the top of my ladder and I think I can go a little higher. My data book is in the truck so I don't have the specifics. No pics of the second deer. Will post more in the future. Here is one in the field  " />
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2016 9:35:55 PM EDT
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Had some more sucess this weekend. My 12 yr old son took a nice doe at 50 yds with the 25/223 and she traveled 30 yds ad dropped. About 20 minutes later a 7pt crossed at the 300 yd crossing and he proceeded to shoot it with a low heart shot. I have a pic showing the exit wound. The round still has enough energy to exit at 300 yds. That is 4 we have taken at this yardage with pass throughs. This round will drop them with correct shot placement, even at 300 yds. This deer went about 10 yds.
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Posted: 11/21/2016 3:01:08 PM EDT
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It definitely looks like there is still some expansion taking place. That's great.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2016 7:32:12 PM EDT
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Same thing I was thinking. A lot better expansion. The opening was at least a half dollar in size. This round is running at an average of 2600 fps. I haven't had the time to test some more loads since the gas port was opened up. This one ought to do more when the load is dialed in.
I was coming out of the woods today and saw a coyote standing across the field. Gueestimated at about 300 yds so I turned the turrets a +10 and let one fly off the back of the truck. No point in saying, but one less fawn killer. This round is accurate! |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2016 12:44:40 AM EDT
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Hi SCPossum1,
Tell your son "Job Well Done!" The 25-223Ar has shown that it can take them down at 300 yrds. I think that the 25-223Ar could probably reach out and take game reliably out to about 400. Most bullets (cup and core) will expand at velocities down to about 1800 fps. Here are some images from the Nosler website. The JB ballistic calculator indicates that 25 cal. 100 gn. have high enough B.C's to stay above 1800 fps out to ~380 (flat-base bullets) to 400 yrds. (boattial bullets). AccuBond: Bonded cup and core construction 
Ballistic Tip: swaged cup and core construction 
Partition swaged partition cup and core construction 
Great Job... Keep it up! 320pf |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 12/4/2016 9:03:14 PM EDT
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Dropped a 200lb three by three muley last Saturday on McGregor Range.
300 yds with a clean pass through the heart and lungs, with a 87gr pill, forgot the charge, but was not a hot one. Heard the thwack and he ran about 15 yds and went belly up. Did not take pics, no camera. Quarter size hole in and out. Oh yeah, this is the wifes 16" gun, lol. Am now gathering parts to building my own. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 10:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ekalb2000:
Dropped a 200lb three by three muley last Saturday on McGregor Range. 300 yds with a clean pass through the heart and lungs, with a 87gr pill, forgot the charge, but was not a hot one. Heard the thwack and he ran about 15 yds and went belly up. Did not take pics, no camera. Quarter size hole in and out. Oh yeah, this is the wifes 16" gun, lol. Am now gathering parts to building my own. Which 87gr bullet? |
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Posted: 12/10/2016 11:55:36 AM EDT
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I have been watching this thread for years and I am always impressed to see the performance of the 25-223 on game. I am curious if anyone (sorry if I missed it in the tread) has used a T/C Encore or Contender? I understand the advantage of this is it fits in a an AR-15 magazine but I am considering finally playing with this round and with the Encore I can play cheap and I have been deer hunting with the single shot anyways (We can't deer hunt with a semi-auto here in PA --- may change soon we hope).
In the thread above is a photo of that 90gr Speer boat tail. I have had really great success with that bullet in the past with a 257 Roberts. Also worked well in a 25-06 but at 25-06 velocities it is a varmint only bullet. I do bet that will work well on deer at 25-223 velocities! |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2016 9:56:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Quarterbore:
I have been watching this thread for years and I am always impressed to see the performance of the 25-223 on game. I am curious if anyone (sorry if I missed it in the tread) has used a T/C Encore or Contender? I understand the advantage of this is it fits in a an AR-15 magazine but I am considering finally playing with this round and with the Encore I can play cheap and I have been deer hunting with the single shot anyways (We can't deer hunt with a semi-auto here in PA --- may change soon we hope). In the thread above is a photo of that 90gr Speer boat tail. I have had really great success with that bullet in the past with a 257 Roberts. Also worked well in a 25-06 but at 25-06 velocities it is a varmint only bullet. I do bet that will work well on deer at 25-223 velocities! You will have even better performance from the encore, you can load the bullet out farther. Dkhmr has a savage chambered in 25223 and it is smoking with the 100gr NBT. I think hes over 3000fps. Def worth doing to smoke deer in PA. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2016 6:38:46 AM EDT
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Wishing the .25-223 family a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2017 11:05:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chewbacca:
Which 87gr bullet? Speer hot-cor. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2017 1:53:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Quarterbore:
I have been watching this thread for years and I am always impressed to see the performance of the 25-223 on game. I am curious if anyone (sorry if I missed it in the tread) has used a T/C Encore or Contender? I understand the advantage of this is it fits in a an AR-15 magazine but I am considering finally playing with this round and with the Encore I can play cheap and I have been deer hunting with the single shot anyways (We can't deer hunt with a semi-auto here in PA --- may change soon we hope). In the thread above is a photo of that 90gr Speer boat tail. I have had really great success with that bullet in the past with a 257 Roberts. Also worked well in a 25-06 but at 25-06 velocities it is a varmint only bullet. I do bet that will work well on deer at 25-223 velocities! Hi Quarterbore, I have built two "single shot" AR uppers for myself. I just do not finish drilling the gas port. I leave enough of a "starter-hole" so that at a later time it is pretty easy to finish the gas port on a drill press. This set-up would be legal in Pennsylvania. You can get an assembled AR upper receiver for about $100, a plain jane handguard for ~$100, and a bolt/carrier group for for ~$100. With the SPEC-II chamber and SS mags., like the ASC mags., your reloads have a C.O.L. of about 2.3". In a 20-inch barrel with the SPEC-II chamber, 87gr. Speer and the 90gr. Sierra GK, get pretty close to 250 Savage performance. If you go with one of the 24-inch barrel and the SPEC-II chamber, you can match ore exceed 250 Savage performance. The best of all is when Pennsylvania changes it's hunting regulations, you will have an easy migration path to a semi-automatic :-) |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 10:01:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rocketrepairguy]
[#26]
Hornady FTX Bullets 25 Caliber (257 Diameter) 110 Grain Flex Tip eXpanding
Ordered 2 boxes. Will report with results.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/17/2017 1:10:17 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rocketrepairguy:
Hornady FTX Bullets 25 Caliber (257 Diameter) 110 Grain Flex Tip eXpanding Ordered 2 boxes. Will report with results. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/338145/17361785-10212169045963190-1845078953420144905-n-166783.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/338145/17362044-10212169053283373-9145754920299671302-n-166784.JPG |
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Posted: 3/17/2017 11:15:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chewbacca:
Sweet. What powder are you using? don't know when I will have time to work up a load. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2017 4:10:08 PM EDT
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Can one still get a 25-233 barrel or do you have to settle for a 25-45?
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2017 11:51:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HarperJt:
Can one still get a 25-233 barrel or do you have to settle for a 25-45? |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2017 6:00:57 AM EDT
[#31]
Hey all,
I got a question from JButlerHickok asking about the accuracy of the new chamber. Any reports? |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2017 11:52:25 PM EDT
[#32]
Hey Brent you ever get that 24" barrel running?
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2017 8:18:01 AM EDT
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Brent, forgot you did a 24", too. Would love to hear the results in order to compare.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2017 1:24:06 PM EDT
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Im sent to brent. Any reports on a 12 and a half
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:50:37 AM EDT
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Too far between some of these update posts ...
Just sayin'. 
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2017 5:55:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HarperJt]
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Working on brass today. I hope to have some loaded by the end of the weekend. Loaded around 25-30 - 100 grs Hot Core and 87 grs TNT rounds with RL-7. Also, I just received my Old Crow WTF case trimmer today. All I can say is my RCBS electric trimmer is going to be gathering some dust. This thing takes around 2 seconds and the case is done except for chamfering and deburring. Even with the 3 way cutter the Old Crow is a lot faster than the RCBS .
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:54:01 AM EDT
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Anyone tried Hodgdon CFE BLK yet?
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:03:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HarperJt]
[#38]
What the shortest you have trimmer your brass?
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2017 9:55:47 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HarperJt:
What the shortest you have trimmer your brass? The chamber is designed for a maximum case length of 1.70. There is a "plus" clearance of 0.010. So you should trim your cases if the stretch 0.005" to 1.705". Typically, the reloading manuals that I have looked through suggest the you case 0.010" shorter than the spec. So the trim length is 1.690. I have trimmed some brass a bit short to 1.680 to 1.685. It usually stretches back out to about 1.69-ish or so and it still shoots fine. |
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Posted: 6/5/2017 8:07:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rocketrepairguy]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rocketrepairguy:
Hornady FTX Bullets 25 Caliber (257 Diameter) 110 Grain Flex Tip eXpanding Ordered 2 boxes. Will report with results. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/338145/17361785-10212169045963190-1845078953420144905-n-166783.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/338145/17362044-10212169053283373-9145754920299671302-n-166784.JPG AA 2200 maxed out at 23 gr. / CCI 450 primer / 2.29" COL / slight extractor swipe FPS FT-LBS PF 2338 1335.36 257.18 2357 1357.15 259.27 2349 1347.95 258.39 AA 2230 maxed out at 24 gr. / CCI 450 primer / 2.29" COL / compressed load / no evidence of over-pressure FPS FT-LB PF 2369 1371 260.59 2380 1383.76 261.8 2379 1382.6 261.69 The AA 2230 load was more accurate as well. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2017 3:41:01 PM EDT
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Hello gents.
Been studying 223 wildcats for a while and came across this thread. It got me to join; 1st post. Your 25-223AR Spec II is just what I've been pondering as a balance of bore size, case volume to long 100gr bullets, ease of case forming, etc. Kudos for all the cartridge and load development. Now to decide on a barrel length and see about getting one from 320pf. 20" seems like a good middle ground for mixed uses, from mule deer to p-dogs to the 500 yard steel buffalo at our club range. My goal is 100gr at 2700fps at the muzzle using a powder which isn't highly temperature sensitive. H322 is a candidate, but I wonder if a longer barrel would be needed, based on the posted H322 results. 
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NY, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2017 8:18:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
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Hi Eyez,
Welcome! I am glad that you enjoyed reading the thread. HarperJt just got three barrels, two 14.5-inch medium weight barrels and one 24-inch "Alpine" profile barrel. We should be getting some results soon on how an lightweight 24" barrels runs. If you are looking for 2700 plus fps velocities with a 100 gr bullet, a 24-inch barrel will be the easiest route. With a 20-inch barrel, you probably can get 2700 fps with a few powders but you are going to be pushing the max. pressure. As indicated in this thread, you can get ~2600 fps out of a 16.5-inch barrel but given the case volume/bore area; you gain about 50 fps per 4-inches of barrel (~10-15 fps per inch of barrel). I hope this helpful. 320pf Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyez:
Hello gents. Been studying 223 wildcats for a while and came across this thread. It got me to join; 1st post. Your 25-223AR Spec II is just what I've been pondering as a balance of bore size, case volume to long 100gr bullets, ease of case forming, etc. Kudos for all the cartridge and load development. Now to decide on a barrel length and see about getting one from 320pf. 20" seems like a good middle ground for mixed uses, from mule deer to p-dogs to the 500 yard steel buffalo at our club range. My goal is 100gr at 2700fps at the muzzle using a powder which isn't highly temperature sensitive. H322 is a candidate, but I wonder if a longer barrel would be needed, based on the posted H322 results. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2017 11:43:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyez]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
I hope this helpful. 320pf |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:57:37 AM EDT
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I just finished putting the two rifles together last night. The 24" barreled one, looks and feels like a walking stick. I'll try to post pictures later today or tomorrow.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2017 11:14:51 PM EDT
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320pf -
After looking over the load data again and thinking about how the cartridge would be used, I decided on barrel specs. I'd like to buy one, maybe two barrels. IM sent. Anyone else want to get in on a batch of these barrels? |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 7/14/2017 8:36:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
[#46]
IM and email sent
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Posted: 8/19/2017 8:46:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VeritatisUnus]
[#47]
Using a windowed mag (cut out the face of the mag at the top) 5 rounds stack and feed without issue. I am able to seat out to 2.36 and have some 115 bergers to try.
Also, I tested the Speer 100 btsp which has an excellent for caliber BC of .393. 24.5-25.0 of 2200 all shot 5 shot sub-MOA 100 yard groups. I haven't chronied it yet, but expect around 2700 based on the 100 Interlock experience with the same charge. Assuming 2700-2750 fps, with 200 yard zero it drops only 2.5 mils at 500 and is still above the expansion threshold of 1800 fps and hits with 740 ft/lbs. on paper, this is the best "long range" load so far. This will be my new hunting bullet and I'll be bringing it out this year for coues deer. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:20:27 PM EDT
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I have some free brass to give away. I bought some lapua 223 and sized it, but for some reason the rim sticks up a tad in the case gauge and my die is maxed out. 60-70 pieces for free if someone wants to mess with them or I'm sure they would be fine in a bolt gun. Just IM me and they're yours. I don't want to waste them
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Posted: 8/22/2017 8:20:22 PM EDT
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PM sent.
Greg |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2017 2:02:36 PM EDT
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Anyone using the 25-223 custom 2 die set by Redding? I see them listed as a special order item from Midway, product # 698436.
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