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I did get a chamber gauge with the barrel. 320pf also sent a few pieces of brass.
Now that I am looking at the brass he sent more closely, the shoulders of the brass do seem to be sharper. Come to think of it, the brass did not fall cleanly out of the gauge. I might need to tweak my resizing die a bit. It might also be causing the BCG to not cycle properly. Either way, I need to eliminate one variable at a time. As for the question, yes the BCG seats properly empty. Thanks for the advise. I really appreciate it. I'll let you know how it turns out. |
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Then on to the gas block
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Arrow, two things. First, make sure your sizing die is set up correctly. With the ram all the way up, screw in you sizing die until it hits the shell holder. Then lower the ram and turn the sizing die another 1/8 to 1/4 turn down. The shell holder should 'cam' over the die... You will feel the shell holder hit the die, then a little bump of pressure; that's the camming effect.
Second, you are most likely having a gas issue. If you are sure that you have the gas block in the proper location, then make sure your carrier key and gas rings on the bolt all look good. Also check to make sure that your gas tube is coming straight into the upper and has a slight amount of movement; if he tube is impinged by the teeth on the barrel nut one way or the other it can cause the tube to angle into the receiver. When you have checked all those things, its gas block/port time... You mentioned you are using an adjustable gas block. Have you maxed out its setting yet for maximum gas? If you have, then you have a couple options. If you are using a standard weight or full auto carrier, you can go to a low mass such as one from JP. If you have a standard buffer spring and buffer I would leave those alone, but if you have an H or heavier, change it to a standard weight. Same applies to the spring... Put standard parts in. If after all that you are still having short strokes and again, you are SURE you have the block in the correct position, you can open the gas port a little. When that time comes, I can tell you how to it safely, I had to do it to my 25. |
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I am putting my money on the brass being off slightly for the bcg not shutting all the way. If you adjust your dies and that does not allow for the brass to drop cleanly from the guage, try running the brass through a 223 sizing die and then see if that solves the problem. My issues with the 300 blk were just what you are describing. Had me going for a time because it did not happen but every so often. Some would chamber and some would stop just before locking up. And i had sticky ejection of unspent rounds. Keep us informed.
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chewbacca, Thanks.
You are correct, I did not have my die setup correctly. I had it turned 1/4 up from the shell holder, and not down to the shell holder. Once I did this, it pushed the neck down to the appropriate position. Unfortunately, my decapping rod is bent, from a stuck case, which just happened last night. Ugh. Hopefully Redding will be sympathetic I did get a chance to test the few cases before the incident. They did sit further in (i.e. all the way) the gauge. Once the shells seat properly in the chamber consistently, then I'll start messing with the gas system. For now I need to wait on Redding. BTW, my buffer and spring and BCG are standard spec. I just pulled off the rail and checked to make sure the gas tube was not bent or pinched. All good. I also made sure my gas block is in the correct position. This is too much fun. I hate having to wait |
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Arrow, if just the little depriming rod is bent straighten it with pliers and get the Lee Universal Depriming die.... Trust me it will make life much easier.. Deprime with the Lee when your cases are dirty then tumble. The Lee is a robust design that can handle the toughest crimped primers.
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chewbacca,
No, it is actually the rod itself. So the resizing button is off center. Thanks for the advice. I actually do use the Lee depriming die. Works geat. |
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So while I am waiting on a part for my redding die, that should be here on Tuesday...
I deprimed, cleaned and resized with a 223 resizing die, a few hundred once shot cases. Can I trim them down to size now, or do I need to wait until I size them with the 25 cal s die? |
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Trim after you resize.
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320PF, any updates with the LT32 powder?
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I'm too lazy to google...
How available are barrels and dies right now? |
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I've been thinking about this idea for some time. Since the Mossberg MVP came out, and I've handled several of its variations, I began to think the 25-223 would be a great cartridge for this rifle. It'd really be handy for hunting in the lighter, slimmer versions. The more I think about the more I want to do this.
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Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
I've been thinking about this idea for some time. Since the Mossberg MVP came out, and I've handled several of its variations, I began to think the 25-223 would be a great cartridge for this rifle. It'd really be handy for hunting in the lighter, slimmer versions. The more I think about the more I want to do this. 320pf ?? View Quote It looks interesting. One would need a little more information on how the barrel is attached to the receiver, head spacing etc..., but it could be done. |
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Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
I've been thinking about this idea for some time. Since the Mossberg MVP came out, and I've handled several of its variations, I began to think the 25-223 would be a great cartridge for this rifle. It'd really be handy for hunting in the lighter, slimmer versions. The more I think about the more I want to do this. 320pf ?? View Quote A Savage should be easy enough, though the reamer would benefit from a longer throat I would think. |
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Midway USA just received in the 25 cal sizer buttons.
S bushing dies and sizer are available as well. |
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Originally Posted By chewbacca:
A Savage should be easy enough, though the reamer would benefit from a longer throat I would think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
I've been thinking about this idea for some time. Since the Mossberg MVP came out, and I've handled several of its variations, I began to think the 25-223 would be a great cartridge for this rifle. It'd really be handy for hunting in the lighter, slimmer versions. The more I think about the more I want to do this. 320pf ?? A Savage should be easy enough, though the reamer would benefit from a longer throat I would think. It should be. I've had a couple 700's and a Win M70 in .223 and they were way oversized for cartridge. An uncle had a Sako Vixen years ago and I fell in love with its proportionate dimensions. Not wanting to spend the $$ for an original Vixen or similar priced bolt, the MVP is at the top of my list of "what to buy next". I'm not cheap, I'm "value conscious". |
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Originally Posted By 320pf:
It looks interesting. One would need a little more information on how the barrel is attached to the receiver, head spacing etc..., but it could be done. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 320pf:
Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
I've been thinking about this idea for some time. Since the Mossberg MVP came out, and I've handled several of its variations, I began to think the 25-223 would be a great cartridge for this rifle. It'd really be handy for hunting in the lighter, slimmer versions. The more I think about the more I want to do this. 320pf ?? It looks interesting. One would need a little more information on how the barrel is attached to the receiver, head spacing etc..., but it could be done. I'm pretty sure the MVP attaches like the savage barrels do. |
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Hey guys,
Here is a picture of my build. I would like the thank 320pf for all of his help and the other posters for their research and load development. I build mine for mainly for hunting and target shooting. I'm using it this weekend on an exotic deer hunt using Wombat's 80 gr. TTSX load. If successful I'll post pictures. http://www.flickr.com/photos/60550231@N06/ |
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/60550231@N06/9952253103/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/60550231@N06/9952253103/
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Originally Posted By texpete:
http://<a href=http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz140/sboehme1/IMG_0627_zpsbff45671.jpg</a>" /> View Quote Nice Thunder Stick...Enjoy. |
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Thanks all for the advice on reloading. I took the rifle back out to the range today.
All of the shells loaded without a problem. I loaded the mag with 1 round at a time and tried to adjust the gas block so that the bcg would lock back. No luck. The gas block is in the correct position, and all the way open. I am using standard parts and a m16 bcg. I ran several rounds through. These consisted of by pet load of 23.5g Rel7 and 85g Nosler BT. The BCG would hold back, but no lock behind the mag lock. While I was at the range, I also ran 3 rounds each of 90g Sierra Game King with AA2200 from 22.5 - 24.5g. (BTW, love this combination). Is my next step opening up the gas port? I'd rather not go down the route of a light weight BCG. Below is a pic of my results from 50 yards out shooting an EOTech 512. Would have loved to see what I could have done with a standard scope. http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab156/djsteeber/20130929_165301_zpse3a1cd01.jpg |
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More info on the inquiry above.
Looks like I have a carbine spring and buffer. 38 coils in the spring. I have a 16.5" mid-length gas port. Should I be using a rifle length buffer? Thanks |
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I would not mess with a lightweight BCG, cutting coils, or adding weight to the buffer. I suspect the gas port is a little undersized for these fast-burning powders. In the early days of .25-223 development Brent (wisely) was sending out barrels with gas ports a little small - it was our job to find the right size. My barrel worked fine with H335 and 100-grain bullets but would not cycle correctly with lighter bullets and faster powders. Drilling (carefully) fixed that. My specs are in this thread somewhere. Check with Brent on your gas port size and where other people have had success for your barrel length and gas port position.
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Originally Posted By arrow422:
More info on the inquiry above. Looks like I have a carbine spring and buffer. 38 coils in the spring. I have a 16.5" mid-length gas port. Should I be using a rifle length buffer? Thanks View Quote Hi arrow422, All of the testing that I have done has been with a rifle buffer and spring. It has also it has been commonly reported that it takes about 100 rounds to be put through the gun before the bolt/carrier and upper receiver break in. When I put an upper together I lube that action and exercise the B/C to "break in" the upper receiver before I take it to the range. So I would suggest that you try and get a hold of a rifle buffer and spring and run about 100 rounds through it before you open up the gas port. If you have any questions drop me a line. |
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320pf (et. al)
I'd like to stay with the 6 position adjustable stock, as I would like my daughter to be able to shoot this as well. I do have about 70 rounds through the gun, and the BCG is well lubed. I'll work the action some more and put another 50+ rounds through it this week. I know wombat said to ignore a heavier buffer tube, and cutting the spring. If there are any other suggestions please let me know. If someone makes a adjustable LOP rifle stock, that could be an option as well. |
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Originally Posted By arrow422:
320pf (et. al) I'd like to stay with the 6 position adjustable stock, as I would like my daughter to be able to shoot this as well. I do have about 70 rounds through the gun, and the BCG is well lubed. I'll work the action some more and put another 50+ rounds through it this week. I know wombat said to ignore a heavier buffer tube, and cutting the spring. If there are any other suggestions please let me know. If someone makes a adjustable LOP rifle stock, that could be an option as well. View Quote Since your rifle is short stroking, adding more buffer weight will only exacerbate the issue. At this point opening up the gas port is what I would recommend, and what I had to do with mine. Just put an old cleaning rod down the bore and use a drill but one size up from fitting in the port. Use some oil on the bit and have the upper stable. Any burs left inside the port afterwards will be shot out no problem. |
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Chewbacca,
Do you remember what size bit you used? I think my gas port is at 0.072. (BTW, I am still going to run some more rounds down range) |
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Originally Posted By arrow422:
Chewbacca, Do you remember what size bit you used? I think my gas port is at 0.072. (BTW, I am still going to run some more rounds down range) View Quote I don't know. There is no worry to go too large (obviously within reason) because an adjustable gas block would solve any overgassing issues. |
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Does anyone have a good website to buy bullets (25 cal) from?
Mainly Sierra GK 90g, or others. Thought I'd ask here first. |
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I just wanted to post a huge thank you to all the helped me with this setup.
It is working flawlessly using 23.5g REL7 and 85g Nosler as well as 24.2g AA2200 with 90g Sierra GameKing. (It likes these the best which is cool, b/c this may be my hunting load). I ran a few hundred rounds through the gun today, along with working the earlier this week BCG, to the annoyance of my family :) I did have to open up the gas port a little bit to get everything working correctly. (I do agree that this should be the last thing to do.) For any future posters, that may have the same issue. I used a #48 drill bit, and check the function. When that did not produce enough, I went to a #47. This worked great. I think the port is at 0.0785, but don't hold me to that number. I have it written down in my shooting book. |
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Originally Posted By arrow422:
I just wanted to post a huge thank you to all the helped me with this setup. It is working flawlessly using 23.5g REL7 and 85g Nosler as well as 24.2g AA2200 with 90g Sierra GameKing. (It likes these the best which is cool, b/c this may be my hunting load). I ran a few hundred rounds through the gun today, along with working the earlier this week BCG, to the annoyance of my family :) I did have to open up the gas port a little bit to get everything working correctly. (I do agree that this should be the last thing to do.) For any future posters, that may have the same issue. I used a #48 drill bit, and check the function. When that did not produce enough, I went to a #47. This worked great. I think the port is at 0.0785, but don't hold me to that number. I have it written down in my shooting book. View Quote Good deal. Post some groups and some chrony data. |
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Decided to take a shot this morning. Full penetration from front shoulder exiting other side. Thomas was a happy hunter. 1st deer with the rifle.
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Congratulations on a successful hunt.
Looking for details, I have just few questions. What bullet were you using and was it a broadside shot or quartering? Could also describe the entrance and exit wounds and total penetration. Thanks 320pf |
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Nice one SCPossum!
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320pf, you want more details than Congress did about Obamacare!
Seriously, Hornady 100gr sp at at about 2600 fps. My son was shooting first and took the first shot broadside at 75 yds. He shot low and clipped his leg, went under the brisket, and broke second front leg. I thought it was a good lung shot with the deer's reaction and let him run. He stopped at the edge of the field and I have learned not to let 9yr olds take followup shots. I took the rifle and made a 45 degree forward quartering shot. Shot was about 125 yds and it was a pass through. I would say 18" of penetration. Entered high shoulder and exited low on the opposite side. Exit was about the size of a half dollar. The deer did run about a hundred yards in the woods which is a huge problem down here. We had a good trail to follow, but it was a difficult retrieval. There was a good wound channel. I will shoot a few more this coming weekend and check the bullet out a little more. I was shooting these because I had a lot of them and they were accurate. I can't judge the combination from one deer. We haven't seen a lot of deer this year like in prior years. We are down 30% statewide. Hoping things pick up with the cooler weather and rain we just got. By the way, with my son, the first person that shoots claims the deer. . He had missed one the weekend before and he feels much better now. |
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Awesome story. Congratz to your son. I can't wait until hunting season starts here. |
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Now I know who bought all of the 25 cal. bullets.
Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
Thought I'd post this pic showing the various bullets relative to each other. Hopefully help someone decide whether to try a certain bullet. The brass is unfired and freshly formed so the double "shoulders". Left to right..... http://www.fototime.com/D65CEFC8B72DCA5/standard.jpg Hornady 75 HP Sierra 75 HP Hornady 75 V-MAX Hornady 87 SP Varmint Speer 87 Spitzer Sierra 90 HPBT Hornady 100 Spire Pt Nosler 100 Ballistic Tip Barnes 100 TSX BT Sierra 100 HPBT #1628 Speer 100 HP Sierra 100 Spitzer #1620 Hornady 117 BTSP Interlock Hornady 120 HP View Quote |
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I just "found" some Barnes X bullets in the 90gr & 100gr weights on my bench. They are the older Barnes bullets. I know some of you have tried the Barnes 80gr's. What about the heavier ones? I'm thinking AA2200 in the amount of 23.5-25gr range like other bullets in this weight category.
My question is more along the lines of will the Barnes 90-100gr be too long. I don't have any 80gr to compare the 90gr to. **Just saw where the Barnes 80gr is 1.01" long. I guess I can measure the 90gr and see what it measures.** If it measures the same, it should work, right? |
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Originally Posted By SCPossum1:
I just "found" some Barnes X bullets in the 90gr & 100gr weights on my bench. They are the older Barnes bullets. I know some of you have tried the Barnes 80gr's. What about the heavier ones? I'm thinking AA2200 in the amount of 23.5-25gr range like other bullets in this weight category. My question is more along the lines of will the Barnes 90-100gr be too long. I don't have any 80gr to compare the 90gr to. **Just saw where the Barnes 80gr is 1.01" long. I guess I can measure the 90gr and see what it measures.** If it measures the same, it should work, right? View Quote My 80gr TTSX bullets measure 1.012" If the 90gr has no plastic tip it will probably fit just fine. |
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Thanks, Altair. I am going to measure them in a little bit and see what they measure.
I am looking for load data for AA2200 and 80gr Barnes TTSX. If anyone would like to share I would appreciate it. That info would save me some powder, bullets, and time. |
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Originally Posted By SCPossum1:
Thanks, Altair. I am going to measure them in a little bit and see what they measure. I am looking for load data for AA2200 and 80gr Barnes TTSX. If anyone would like to share I would appreciate it. That info would save me some powder, bullets, and time. View Quote I've gone up to 25 gr with that combo, but you should probably start at 23 to be safe for your rifle. |
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Thanks Chewbacca. Now to find some. 1st store yesterday was out. Will check three more today.
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Originally Posted By SCPossum1:
Thanks, Altair. I am going to measure them in a little bit and see what they measure. I am looking for load data for AA2200 and 80gr Barnes TTSX. If anyone would like to share I would appreciate it. That info would save me some powder, bullets, and time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SCPossum1:
Thanks, Altair. I am going to measure them in a little bit and see what they measure. I am looking for load data for AA2200 and 80gr Barnes TTSX. If anyone would like to share I would appreciate it. That info would save me some powder, bullets, and time. Hi SCPossum1, If you go back to about page 46 of this thread there is some information there. Also Wombat has posted load 80g TTSX wtih Reloader-7(?) load data in the thread. I hope this helps Originally Posted By 320pf:
I have finished working up my 80 gn TTSX loads. Barnes 80 g TTSX 16-inch barrel A1680 A1680 is a ball powder and meters very well. I shot three rounds of each load for a total of 12 shots. All 12 shots grouped within 1.25 high x1.0 wide rectangle. The Barnes 80 gn and A1680 is very accurate combo in my 16 inch barrel. When I have tried A1680 with the 100 gn bullets the pressures can spike very quickly as Graycard has stated above. With the light bullets, however, A1680 seems to work very well. I also tried H335 but the results were rather disappointing. The bottom line is that H335 is too slow burning for the light bullets. I have found that for the Barnes 80 gn TTSX that A1680 and A2200 are probably the best powders *The pressures are model pressure using an on-line Powley pressure computer. You can find in Here |
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Thanks for the help. I found out last night I have primer pocket issues using Winchester brass. Will have to step back and trim some brass. Probably going to go to LC brass and ditch the Winchester.
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Originally Posted By SCPossum1:
Thanks for the help. I found out last night I have primer pocket issues using Winchester brass. Will have to step back and trim some brass. Probably going to go to LC brass and ditch the Winchester. View Quote What issues? i love the winchester brass in the 25 only thing i have issues with is the FC crap |
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