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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2012 4:22:19 PM EDT
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The firearm industry is about as slow a moving beast as you can find.
There were motions made a little over a year ago with Sharps, but that never can to be. The biggest help for the cartridge right now would be a good set of readily available dies. |
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Posted: 4/5/2012 7:29:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Graycard:
The firearm industry is about as slow a moving beast as you can find. There were motions made a little over a year ago with Sharps, but that never can to be. The biggest help for the cartridge right now would be a good set of readily available dies. So is the Sharps 25-45 officially dead? I haven't heard so much as a whisper about it in quite a while. I didn't have high hopes. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/6/2012 8:51:50 AM EDT
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I had been talking to them about a test rifle for a review and their reply was always "soon," but finally they just vanished. Looked for them at Shot this year and they weren't to be found.
It was the Shot Show the year before that they had made the announcement. I check with Federal and RCBS and both considered the project a non-starter. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2012 11:47:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cavitation:
And why has nobody standardized this cartridge yet? AL .257 is the red headed step child of calibers. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2012 8:49:26 PM EDT
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I suspect because it crowds the 257 TCU.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 4:13:02 PM EDT
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Not my EE ad, but a fellow .25-223 owner may find these useful. EE ad for Barnes .257 80-grain TTSX
Lord knows I've bought plenty of these at full retail prices. The 80-grain Barnes TTSX and 24.0 grains of Reloader 7 is my preferred .25-223 deer-pig load. 
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2012 11:14:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
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Interesting that you should bring up the Barnes 80 g TTSX bullets. I am working up a load for this bullet for a friend that is going to try them out on some pigs in TX. I bugged out from work a little early tonight and ran some loads over the chrono.
Standard Disclaimer: These are safe in my barrel! Use at your own risk and work up slowly
** case is full compressed load ***case is full compressed load no more room for powder velocities standard deviations ran about 20 fps. ok accuracy 1.5 group with iron sites *The pressures are model pressure using an on-line Powley pressure computer. You can find in Here wombat25, What velocities are you getting from your 18 inch barrel? |
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Posted: 4/18/2012 12:01:16 PM EDT
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Hi Brent,
My initial testing with the 80-grain TTSX is outlined on pages 20-23 of this thread. Here are the highlights: I tested three powders: H335, H4198, and Reloader 7. Accuracy was very good with all three. H335 is the slowest of the lot, and produced velocities of 2600-2700 fps. With 25.2 grains of H335, I chronographed an average 2636 fps with an ES of 20. You probably could get a little more powder in the case, but I considered this fairly marginal in the velocity department and realized the gain would be minimal. H4198 produced velocities of 2700-2800 fps. With 22.5 grains of H4198 under the 80-grain TTSX, I produced average velocities of 2731 fps with an ES of 27. This powder is somewhat bulky and going much beyond 22.5 grains would result in a very compressed load, which seems ill-advised. Reloader 7 was the stand-out. Excellent velocity and accuracy. Here’s what I was producing: 80-grain TTSX w/ 23.5 grains R7 - avg. velocity of 2796 fps (ES - 36) 80-grain TTSX w/ 24.0 grains R7 - avg. velocity of 2860 fps (ES - 22) 80-grain TTSX w/ 24.5 grains R7 - avg. velocity of 2925 fps (ES - 26) I settled on the 24.0 grain load as my go-to. I also had to open up the gas port on my 18" midlength to .0785 (#47 bit) to function perfectly with these loads, because of the faster-burning nature of Reloader 7. |
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Posted: 4/22/2012 3:35:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VeritatisUnus]
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Went out this weekend and did tons of testing. Bottom line is I have two new hunting loads...
<Normal disclaimer, work up to these loads and use at your own risk, ya da ya da..> This velocity is from 24.0gr of AA2200 with a 100gr Partition! I averaged right around 2750fps with this load and its about 1 moa. My other new pet load is 24.2 AA2200 with 100 gr ProHunters. This also averages at 2750 and is literally sub-moa. Both loads I was using CCI magnum primers. It was 90+ degrees, at 4500 feet elevation and shooting out of two 20" barreled rifles. Having a 100gr at these speeds literally is a game changer, as now our wildcat is a 250 Savage equivalent. Needless to say, I am extremely excited!!! AA2200 is THE powder to use. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2012 2:29:17 PM EDT
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have you tried the aa2200 with the 75-90gr bullets yet?
I still havent found any aa2200 locally so im still using the h335 have a pretty solid 75gr and 85gr load that destroys woodchucks. 
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Posted: 4/23/2012 3:24:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
have you tried the aa2200 with the 75-90gr bullets yet? I still havent found any aa2200 locally so im still using the h335 have a pretty solid 75gr and 85gr load that destroys woodchucks. No. I want to use this rifle for deer sized game, so the 100gr is what I have focused on. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2012 8:23:25 PM EDT
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Figured that was the case.
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Posted: 4/23/2012 11:23:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Altair]
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Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
have you tried the aa2200 with the 75-90gr bullets yet? I still havent found any aa2200 locally so im still using the h335 have a pretty solid 75gr and 85gr load that destroys woodchucks. No. I want to use this rifle for deer sized game, so the 100gr is what I have focused on. Since your focus is on medium game have you considered the 80gr TTSX? The Barnes bullets have a reputation for making modest calibers behave like larger calibers and an 80gr TTSX going 2800fps from a 16", 2850fps from an 18", or 2900fps from a 20" seems like it would be excellent white tail medicine. They aren't that much more expensive than the Partition, which is an expensive bullet for not being bonded. I've got some Reloader 7 and I ordered the 80gr TTSX's that were on the EE so I hope to prove I can safely get 2800fps with them from a 16" soon. I'll let everyone know. ETA: As for price, I just checked Midway and the 100gr Nosler Partition is normally $28.99/50 and the 80gr TTSX is normally $30.99/50 but the Partitions are currently on sale for $21.99/50 so if that's your preference it might be a good time to pick some up. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2012 12:09:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
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Hi Altair et al.,
I have some more 80 gn TTSX data that you might be interested in. Standard Disclaimer: These are safe in my barrel! Use at your own risk and work up slowly
This powder meters very well. The SD of all of these loads was 10 fps or less. It is noteworthy that I was able to shoot all three different loads into about 1.2" group with an EoTech site. This combination of powder and bullet seem to be pretty accurate. However, I think that this powder is a bit on the fast side for the 25-223AR. ** I would call this my max load. The SD was ±6 fps for this load. ***OVER MAX For reference, the Hodgdon manual listed H110, H4198, and H4227 for the 256 Winchester Magnum. This is what made me think that I should try IMR4227. *The pressures are model pressure using an on-line Powley pressure computer. You can find in Here By the way chewbacca, nice work up with the A2200 and the 100 gn Sierra ProHunters and 100 gn. Nosler bullets Maybe we all should jump in the fray and tell folks that the 25-223AR is the "Best intermediate rifle round and why" Hee Hee Hee. 
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2012 12:23:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Altair:
Since your focus is on medium game have you considered the 80gr TTSX? The Barnes bullets have a reputation for making modest calibers behave like larger calibers and an 80gr TTSX going 2800fps from a 16", 2850fps from an 18", or 2900fps from a 20" seems like it would be excellent white tail medicine. They aren't that much more expensive than the Partition, which is an expensive bullet for not being bonded. I've got some Reloader 7 and I ordered the 80gr TTSX's that were on the EE so I hope to prove I can safely get 2800fps with them from a 16" soon. I'll let everyone know. ETA: As for price, I just checked Midway and the 100gr Nosler Partition is normally $28.99/50 and the 80gr TTSX is normally $30.99/50 but the Partitions are currently on sale for $21.99/50 so if that's your preference it might be a good time to pick some up. Hi Altair, The Partitions are not bonded but I have yet to see the rear portion of the bullet come out of the jacket and I generally get 70-75% weight retention. I think that the terminal performance of the two are pretty similar. With that said however, I am very pleased with the accuracy that I am getting with the 80 gn TTSX. |
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Posted: 4/24/2012 12:31:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
have you tried the aa2200 with the 75-90gr bullets yet? I still havent found any aa2200 locally so im still using the h335 have a pretty solid 75gr and 85gr load that destroys woodchucks. No. I want to use this rifle for deer sized game, so the 100gr is what I have focused on. Since your focus is on medium game have you considered the 80gr TTSX? The Barnes bullets have a reputation for making modest calibers behave like larger calibers and an 80gr TTSX going 2800fps from a 16", 2850fps from an 18", or 2900fps from a 20" seems like it would be excellent white tail medicine. They aren't that much more expensive than the Partition, which is an expensive bullet for not being bonded. I've got some Reloader 7 and I ordered the 80gr TTSX's that were on the EE so I hope to prove I can safely get 2800fps with them from a 16" soon. I'll let everyone know. ETA: As for price, I just checked Midway and the 100gr Nosler Partition is normally $28.99/50 and the 80gr TTSX is normally $30.99/50 but the Partitions are currently on sale for $21.99/50 so if that's your preference it might be a good time to pick some up. I have done some testing with the barnes and I believe I posted it here, maybe not... but it was with RE7 and I got 2900+ The accuracy wasn't that great and while I know the monolithic bullets are supposed to perform above their weight, I like the heavier weight and the BC of the partition. However, truthfully I worked with the partition more as an exercise. For deer, I think the ProHunter will be more than adequate. Not to mention they are the most accurate out of all the bullets I have tested. My next test will be with 100gr Hornady Interlocks. |
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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:20:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Altair]
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Originally Posted By 320pf:
Originally Posted By Altair:
Since your focus is on medium game have you considered the 80gr TTSX? The Barnes bullets have a reputation for making modest calibers behave like larger calibers and an 80gr TTSX going 2800fps from a 16", 2850fps from an 18", or 2900fps from a 20" seems like it would be excellent white tail medicine. They aren't that much more expensive than the Partition, which is an expensive bullet for not being bonded. I've got some Reloader 7 and I ordered the 80gr TTSX's that were on the EE so I hope to prove I can safely get 2800fps with them from a 16" soon. I'll let everyone know. ETA: As for price, I just checked Midway and the 100gr Nosler Partition is normally $28.99/50 and the 80gr TTSX is normally $30.99/50 but the Partitions are currently on sale for $21.99/50 so if that's your preference it might be a good time to pick some up. Hi Altair, The Partitions are not bonded but I have yet to see the rear portion of the bullet come out of the jacket and I generally get 70-75% weight retention. I think that the terminal performance of the two are pretty similar. With that said however, I am very pleased with the accuracy that I am getting with the 80 gn TTSX. I certainly didn't intend to say the Partition wasn't an excellent game bullet. In fact, it was revolutionary when it was first introduced. I asked about the Barnes because no other bullet has impressed me as much with its remarkable consistency with expansion and penetration, especially in smaller calibers, and its performance in this caliber appears to be no exception. Originally Posted By chewbacca:
I have done some testing with the barnes and I believe I posted it here, maybe not... but it was with RE7 and I got 2900+ The accuracy wasn't that great and while I know the monolithic bullets are supposed to perform above their weight, I like the heavier weight and the BC of the partition. However, truthfully I worked with the partition more as an exercise. For deer, I think the ProHunter will be more than adequate. Not to mention they are the most accurate out of all the bullets I have tested. My next test will be with 100gr Hornady Interlocks. If you are getting better accuracy from the Partitions then I certainly understand why you would choose them. In fact, with the sale Midway has on them currently I'm considering picking some up for testing. I've tried the Hornady 100gr SP Interlock buillets and found velocity to be significantly less than the 100gr Sierra Game King. Perhaps it was due to bearing surface but they didn't perform as well for me. My testing is listed earlier in this thread. I only got a bit over 2400fps before starting to show pressure signs but I didn't have H335 or A2200 so let us know how it goes. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2012 12:54:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
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Advise needed.
Just having received a 20" 25-223 barrel I have worked up one load. 100 gr prohunters over H335. Got 2650 at 2.26 with CCI BR primers. What is the best bullet/powder/primer combo for hogs and deer. In 6.8 SPC I load the 95 gr TTSX for hogs and 110 gr prohunter for deer, so am thinking about something similar for the 25-223. I am sure the 80 gr TTSX will work for both, but I think in general the TTSX bullets are overkill for the deer I shoot and was actually looking for a cheaper bullet for ride around culling of pigs etc. The AA2200 100 gr load above looks good at 2750, but not sure if I can match that there at 500' ASL. Cant find any AA2200 either. Has anybody tried Allient Pro power Varmint ?? Looks like it might be too slow. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2012 2:12:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tammons:
Advise needed. Just having received a 20" 25-223 barrel I have worked up one load. 100 gr prohunters over H335. Got 2650 at 2.26 with CCI BR primers. What is the best bullet/powder/primer combo for hogs and deer. In 6.8 SPC I load the 95 gr TTSX for hogs and 110 gr prohunter for deer, so am thinking about something similar for the 25-223. I am sure the 80 gr TTSX will work for both, but I think in general the TTSX bullets are overkill for the deer I shoot and was actually looking for a cheaper bullet for ride around culling of pigs etc. The AA2200 100 gr load above looks good at 2750, but not sure if I can match that there at 500' ASL. Cant find any AA2200 either. Has anybody tried Allient Pro power Varmint ?? Looks like it might be too slow. Ill answer for ya, stick to aa2200, and H335. For all bullet weights the tried and true go to is H335. AA2200 is a new favorite as of late, I just cant get it locally 
With your 100gr bullet over h335 i would seat the bullet a bit deeper itll give you a little more ummph just check for HP signs. I usually seat to 2.250-2.255 OAl I mainly play with the lighter bullets BUT the 85gr NBT i use run on the long side and i have encountered almost no problems. I am maxing case capacity before i see any PSI signs. My max load with the 85NBT is 26.3gr after that i start getting compressed loads. My rifle has been great with the 70-90gr bullets and i am focusing on the sierra 75gr HP and the 85gr NBT since all i will be killing is groundhogs and paper. My loads so far are all sub moa at 100yd and i know the rifle will shoot better than that. Again this is all in my rifle so work yours up. |
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:01:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VeritatisUnus]
[#20]
Originally Posted By tammons:
Advise needed. Just having received a 20" 25-223 barrel I have worked up one load. 100 gr prohunters over H335. Got 2650 at 2.26 with CCI BR primers. What is the best bullet/powder/primer combo for hogs and deer. In 6.8 SPC I load the 95 gr TTSX for hogs and 110 gr prohunter for deer, so am thinking about something similar for the 25-223. I am sure the 80 gr TTSX will work for both, but I think in general the TTSX bullets are overkill for the deer I shoot and was actually looking for a cheaper bullet for ride around culling of pigs etc. The AA2200 100 gr load above looks good at 2750, but not sure if I can match that there at 500' ASL. Cant find any AA2200 either. Has anybody tried Allient Pro power Varmint ?? Looks like it might be too slow. Your 100gr PH 335 load at 2650 was probably 25.2 grains or so I would guess? That was the best load I had until the loads I posted above with AA2200. There was just a little primer flattening with these loads, but nothing that makes me nervous to try to squeeze a few more fps out for kicks.... but the accuracy is there now. The ProHunter has killed deer and hogs in this caliber, so if you are looking for a low cost bullet, I don't see a reason not to use them. I had to order AA2200, but the 100fps gain was worth it. Using a ballistic calculator and the data from my partition load and hunting area, sighting at 2" high at 100 the bullet will travel no higher than 2.33" above POA and will only be 6" low at 300 yards while having 1679ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and 1046 at 300. That's some pretty good performance. I tried the Alliant PPV, and it was too slow. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:36:15 PM EDT
[#21]
Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Originally Posted By tammons:
Advise needed. Just having received a 20" 25-223 barrel I have worked up one load. 100 gr prohunters over H335. Got 2650 at 2.26 with CCI BR primers. What is the best bullet/powder/primer combo for hogs and deer. In 6.8 SPC I load the 95 gr TTSX for hogs and 110 gr prohunter for deer, so am thinking about something similar for the 25-223. I am sure the 80 gr TTSX will work for both, but I think in general the TTSX bullets are overkill for the deer I shoot and was actually looking for a cheaper bullet for ride around culling of pigs etc. The AA2200 100 gr load above looks good at 2750, but not sure if I can match that there at 500' ASL. Cant find any AA2200 either. Has anybody tried Allient Pro power Varmint ?? Looks like it might be too slow. Your 100gr PH 335 load at 2650 was probably 25.2 grains or so I would guess? That was the best load I had until the loads I posted above with AA2200. There was just a little primer flattening with these loads, but nothing that makes me nervous to try to squeeze a few more fps out for kicks.... but the accuracy is there now. The ProHunter has killed deer and hogs in this caliber, so if you are looking for a low cost bullet, I don't see a reason not to use them. I had to order AA2200, but the 100fps gain was worth it. Using a ballistic calculator and the data from my partition load and hunting area, sighting at 2" high at 100 the bullet will travel no higher than 2.33" above POA and will only be 6" low at 300 yards while having 1679ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and 1046 at 300. That's some pretty good performance. I tried the Alliant PPV, and it was too slow. Bullets were Hex coated and I was running 25.5 gr which is probably about right for a coated bullet. I also got minor primer flattening but not bad. Being at a lower altitude of 500 feet. For me .... The 110 gr PH at 2750 has 860 FPE at 300. The 100 gr GK has more BC and returns 882. JBM returns 915 FPE at 300. Still anything over 850 FPE at 300 yards is good to go for me. At 500 altitude, my trajecory is worse too, but still okay for me. I almost picked up a pound of AA2200 when I was in Georgia last week, but I backed off because I was not sure what to get. Now I am sorry I did not. I almost bought some pro power varmint there too and now glad I did not. Oh well I will get some aa2200 sometime. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:45:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Originally Posted By tammons:
Advise needed. Just having received a 20" 25-223 barrel I have worked up one load. 100 gr prohunters over H335. Got 2650 at 2.26 with CCI BR primers. What is the best bullet/powder/primer combo for hogs and deer. In 6.8 SPC I load the 95 gr TTSX for hogs and 110 gr prohunter for deer, so am thinking about something similar for the 25-223. I am sure the 80 gr TTSX will work for both, but I think in general the TTSX bullets are overkill for the deer I shoot and was actually looking for a cheaper bullet for ride around culling of pigs etc. The AA2200 100 gr load above looks good at 2750, but not sure if I can match that there at 500' ASL. Cant find any AA2200 either. Has anybody tried Allient Pro power Varmint ?? Looks like it might be too slow. Your 100gr PH 335 load at 2650 was probably 25.2 grains or so I would guess? That was the best load I had until the loads I posted above with AA2200. There was just a little primer flattening with these loads, but nothing that makes me nervous to try to squeeze a few more fps out for kicks.... but the accuracy is there now. The ProHunter has killed deer and hogs in this caliber, so if you are looking for a low cost bullet, I don't see a reason not to use them. I had to order AA2200, but the 100fps gain was worth it. Using a ballistic calculator and the data from my partition load and hunting area, sighting at 2" high at 100 the bullet will travel no higher than 2.33" above POA and will only be 6" low at 300 yards while having 1679ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and 1046 at 300. That's some pretty good performance. I tried the Alliant PPV, and it was too slow. Has anybody tried X-Terminator ?? If I run it through QL I get almost 3000 fps with a coated 80 gr TTSX at 60k. |
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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:22:49 PM EDT
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I have tried Xterm as well, and its too slow. H335 is as slow as you should go in my experience. This cartridge likes really fast powders; RE7 and AA2200 have about the same burn rate, but AA200 is a fine ball powder so you don't run out of room as quickly as you do with RE7.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2012 11:11:30 PM EDT
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Hi All,
I took off from work early today to vote and then I went to the range. So I have some more 80 gn TTSX data that you all might be interested in. Standard Disclaimer: These are safe in my barrel! Use at your own risk and work up slowly
This powder meters very well. The SD of all of these loads was 10-15 fps or less once I got over 24.5 gn of powder. ** I would call this my max load. The SD was ±6 fps for this load. There might be a few more fps to be had but the SD are low and the load shoot just make about 1 MOA. *The pressures are model pressure using an on-line Powley pressure computer. You can find in Here |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2012 9:47:53 AM EDT
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Just a short re-cap on my powder and bullet results.
H335 has been my go-to powder but I got an improvement in velocity with the A2200. I just need to do a few more tests and see if I can get the same accuracy with it that I do with the H335. ALL OF MY bullets have been 100 gr. and the Sierra and Speer are about on par with the accuracy. The only thing lying around dead has been one hog and that was with the Sierraq Prohunter. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2012 11:01:25 AM EDT
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Those numbers look good.
QL sez 59700 psi with the 80 gr TTSX over 24.5gr of AA2200 at 2.26. Since deer season is out, I have decided to just stick with the 80 gr TTSX for hogs for now and probably over RL7 since I dont have any AA2200. I do have some AA1680 so I might give that a run with hex coated 80 gr TTSX for for S+G. Probably too fast, but hex coating should keep the initial pressure spike down a bit, maybe. At 23.5 gr QL returns 2906 at 60k with a 20" barrel, but QL is off a lot of times. That will be a 96.7% fill. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2012 1:17:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Graycard]
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Watch the 1680 really close. When I was trying it, it went from mild to wild in just .2 grains. In the 7.62x40 you can't put enough in to make it a problem but with the 25/223 it is a different story. Happy as a lark with one load and then went up half a grain and was blowing primers everywhere.
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2012 2:39:33 PM EDT
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tammons i am at 82' so alot of my load work should transfer to you w/o a prob.
The 90gr game kings have great accuracy for me at 25.5gr of h335. Not sure if they will do a hog/deer in though. |
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Posted: 4/25/2012 3:07:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
tammons i am at 82' so alot of my load work should transfer to you w/o a prob. The 90gr game kings have great accuracy for me at 25.5gr of h335. Not sure if they will do a hog/deer in though. Game Kings are supposed to be hunting bullets but they have a mix of styles, SBT's, HPBT's, and even FMJBT's. With this being a light weight HP it might not penetrate enough, but I've never tried them. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2012 5:06:07 PM EDT
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I was looking at the 90 gr GK too.
Read through a lot of reviews in midway, and most people said they are devastating on deer, but I did read a couple of post where they said they come apart, like way apart. Probably okay for an 100# pig but beyond that I would want a better bullet. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2012 5:32:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tammons:
I was looking at the 90 gr GK too. Read through a lot of reviews in midway, and most people said they are devastating on deer, but I did read a couple of post where they said they come apart, like way apart. Probably okay for an 100# pig but beyond that I would want a better bullet. I think that in the cases where the 90 gr GK bullet is coming apart, the bullet is being shot from a 25-06 at very high velocities... I would guess ~+3300 fps |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2012 5:35:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
[#32]
Probably. Will have to reread those.
Picked up some 80 gr TTSX bullets today so will be focusing on those. AA1680 seems temperamental and hot but I think I will test it anyway with some coated 80 gr TTSX bullets. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2012 7:30:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
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Edit - Never mind - going to run the 80 TTSX (as-is) loads at 2.3" in a pri magazine.
>>>>>>>> Have you guys tested any 80 gr TTSX loads with the tip cut off ?? With my barrel and the tip cut off, a col of 2.2 puts the bullet .005 off the lands. The length of the bullet with no tip is .876 and one of the channels lines up with the neck end of the brass so you could crimp it into the channelure. As far as losing BC I hate to cut the tip off, but at 200-300 yards I dont think it matters that much. What is does is give a bit more case volume and that helps. I think a new barnes bullet is in order. Something like a 75 gr TTSX similar to the 6.8 95 gr bullet that would open at a slower FPS. According to QL I should be able to get close to 2980 FPS with a de-tipped coated bullet in a 20" barrel. Lowering the BC a bit just guessing, Zeroed at 200 it will be 7.5" low at 300 Yds running at 2130 with 810 FPE. Not considering this except for hogs. Not sure how it would affect opening, but if it hits a bone it should open no matter what. Maybe just not as fast. You could actually cut the tip back to leave .06 of the tip hanging out and still fit mag length. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2012 8:53:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
[#34]
I have finished working up my 80 gn TTSX loads.
Barnes 80 g TTSX 16-inch barrel A1680 A1680 is a ball powder and meters very well. I shot three rounds of each load for a total of 12 shots. All 12 shots grouped within 1.25 high x1.0 wide rectangle. The Barnes 80 gn and A1680 is very accurate combo in my 16 inch barrel. When I have tried A1680 with the 100 gn bullets the pressures can spike very quickly as Graycard has stated above. With the light bullets, however, A1650 seems to work very well. I also tried H335 but the results were rather disappointing. The bottom line is that H335 is too slow burning for the light bullets. I have found that for the Barnes 80 gn TTSX that A1680 and A2200 are probably the best powders *The pressures are model pressure using an on-line Powley pressure computer. You can find in Here |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 8:59:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
[#35]
What was your col ??
What did the primers and brass look like at 23.5 gr ?? That also should return 2900 out of a 20" bbl |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2012 10:44:14 PM EDT
[#36]
Originally Posted By tammons:
What was your col ?? What did the primers and brass look like at 23.5 gr ?? That also should return 2900 out of a 20" bbl COL= 2.253 ±0.005" I used Winchester SR. The case heads and primers were good. |
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Posted: 4/28/2012 11:08:20 PM EDT
[#37]
Finally got my pound of CFE223 from my dealer.
Just loaded up some 87 gr Hornady SP's and some 100 gr Privi PSP's. Should get a chance to shoot them tomorrow evening. Will report back after I do. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2012 2:38:53 PM EDT
[#38]
Just got my barreled action back from the smith chambered for 25-223. Its a Savage with a 1.25" full bull Lilja that finished out at 23 1/4", 1:10 twist. This is going to be a heavy bench gun and I would really like to shoot 100gr SMK's. I made up some dummy rounds with 100gr Nosler Ballistic tips basically to see how long I can seat them, I came up with 2.445" which gives me about a .005 jump, so there is plenty of room for powder.
I loaded up some 75gr HP's with 25.0gr of Reloader 7 so I can at least test out the rifle and get the scope zeroed. Would anyone like to help me out with some load data? I have Reloader 7, BL-C(2), Reloader 10x,and IMR 4895 that will probably work, the other stuff I have in stock is for bigger rounds powders like H4831sc and H4350. I will be using Wolf small rifle magnum primers, in LC, FC, and Nosler brass. LC and FC are going to be for plinking and shooting p-dogs, the nosler brass will be for serious group shooting. Still waiting for my stock to come in and I will mount a Weaver straight 36x on the rifle. Thanks |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2012 3:02:45 PM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By dk223:
Just got my barreled action back from the smith chambered for 25-223. Its a Savage with a 1.25" full bull Lilja that finished out at 23 1/4", 1:10 twist. This is going to be a heavy bench gun and I would really like to shoot 100gr SMK's. I made up some dummy rounds with 100gr Nosler Ballistic tips basically to see how long I can seat them, I came up with 2.445" which gives me about a .005 jump, so there is plenty of room for powder. I loaded up some 75gr HP's with 25.0gr of Reloader 7 so I can at least test out the rifle and get the scope zeroed. Would anyone like to help me out with some load data? I have Reloader 7, BL-C(2), Reloader 10x,and IMR 4895 that will probably work, the other stuff I have in stock is for bigger rounds powders like H4831sc and H4350. I will be using Wolf small rifle magnum primers, in LC, FC, and Nosler brass. LC and FC are going to be for plinking and shooting p-dogs, the nosler brass will be for serious group shooting. Still waiting for my stock to come in and I will mount a Weaver straight 36x on the rifle. Thanks IMO BL-C(2), Reloader 10x,and IMR 4895 will probably be too slow to max it out. RL 7 should be good though. PM me your email address and I will send you a quickload PDF file of powder loads for your bullet, COL combo. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2012 3:17:35 PM EDT
[#40]
Ran it and it looks like you will be between 2700-2750 or so.
RL7 about 2700 RL10X about 2750 compressed. Tac 2780 compressed Send me a PM |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2012 5:14:36 PM EDT
[#41]
Hi dk223
Welcome to the 25-223AR thread. You will be able to seat the bullets out further in your 25-223 bolt gun, but the loads that listed within this thread contain a lot of load data. Recently scatterbrains and compiled all of the load data in the thread. You can find it on page 44 (click here) of this thread. It is the post that is in green colored text. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2012 6:36:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
[#42]
320PF and others - FYI
Just loaded up a new test run. 80 gr TTSX with the tips pulled at 2.195 col. This is the equivalent of running 2.34" with the tip on. That is about .01 off the lands. Bullets are coated with Hexagonal Boron Nitride LC 1x brass CCI BR primers Working up to a heavy dose of RL7 I am using LC 1X brass. I measured brass capacities and resized 1X LC brass holds about .6 gr more H2O capacity than new Win brass, so keep the results in mind. Not sure when I will make it out to the range, but when I do I will report back. QL gives me a FPS of 2975 Max load at 60K out of a 20" bbl. When I get brass flow or swipes is when I stop back off and adjust. This max will not be my hunting load. Will back off a bit for that. Just looking for a max I can work QL with and a decent hunting load and close to 800 FPE at 300 yards if I can get it. Trajectory should be +1.2 max ht, zero at 200, 7.2" low at 300 but that is with the tip on. Dont know what the BC is without it. Will buy PRI or other long mags later on and adjust my load then if loading long is worth it. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2012 7:30:08 PM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By tammons:
I am using LC 1X brass. I measured brass capacities and resized 1X LC brass holds about .6 gr more H2O capacity than new Win brass, so keep the results in mind. QL gives me a FPS of 2975 Max load at 60K out of a 20" bbl. What are you getting for the brass capacity? I use 31 gn and 32 gn H2O for flat-base bullets and Boat-tail bullets, respectively. If I recall, this is what the instructions for the powely computer suggest. The Powely computer indicates between 2940-2975... pretty similar. I find the that Powley is generally within about ±50 fps. Keep up informed. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2012 7:39:25 PM EDT
[#44]
I measured a new win case worked to 25-223 at 1.7 and got 30 gr even.
1X LC brass measured at 30.5 - 30.6 gr. Need to check my years. I probably have some Remington, maybe Hornady and maybe Lapua brass around somewhere, but have not measured it. This is from 6mm BR and shows the LC 223 06 brass at about .5 gr more than win. This is for 223 brass. New I assume. Lake City 0692.030.6 WCC9995.530.5 Sellier & Belloit92.330.5 Remington92.330.4 PMC93.530.4 Hirtenberger93.730.4 Lake City 0493.030.4 Federal96.330.2 Hornady93.930.1 IMG (Guatemalan)95.430.1 Lapua (new lot)93.430.1 Winchester93.930.1 Olympic97.430.0 Radway Arsenal96.130.0 PMP104.529.9 FNM 93-197.329.8 Lapua (old lot)104.028.0 |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2012 8:05:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
[#45]
To add....
The LC brass I have is all small amount of 07, mostly 08, 09, some 10 07 - 30.35 EDIT - 08 - 30.6-30.65 Dont have much 08. 09 - 30.5 10 - 30.3 This may seem AR but pushing the edge of safety I want to know where I am capacity wise. |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 10:43:27 PM EDT
[#46]
The .25-223 claimed another pig this weekend.
This was easily the largest boar I've personally seen taken. Well over 250 lbs, and probably more like 280. Moving broadside at about 100 yards. One shot high behind the shoulder with my hunting load - 24.0 grains of Reloader 7 under the 80-grain Barnes TTSX - and he dropped. As you can see, the specific location he was hanging out was less than ideal. Very wet and muddy, and dragging him to a tree for skinning and gutting was a bit of a chore, to put it mildly. Happy hunting, fellas. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2012 1:11:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
[#47]
Nice.
I will be pig hunting again in a few weeks. My feeling is the 80 gr TTSX in 25-223 will kill a pig about like a 6.8 SPC loaded with a 95 gr bullet. Have not had a chance to draw a bead on one yet. Not quite as big of a hole as a 6.8 but the speed is there. Did he run at all or just drop on the spot ?? If they run at all after being hit with a 6.8 loaded with barnes bullets they never make it more than 20 yards then they just fall over dead. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2012 3:00:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ocelott]
[#48]
Just looking for a max I can work QL with and a decent hunting load and close to 800 FPE at 300 yards if I can get it. Trajectory should be +1.2 max ht, zero at 200, 7.2" low at 300 but that is with the tip on. Out of a 16" barrel several of the people posting have obtained 2600fps with a 100gr SP which would achieve 1 of the 3 hard points. approx 800 FPE at 300 yards 2.5" max ht and 10" low at 300yds. So with a 20" barrel that should be achievable with little difficulty and Wombat - CONGRATZ - that just goes to show the power in the "quarter bore" 280lb hog with an 80gr bullet....nice Let me know if you need a hand eating all that nice sausage.... |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 9:28:28 AM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By wombat25:
The .25-223 claimed another pig this weekend. This was easily the largest boar I've personally seen taken. Well over 250 lbs, and probably more like 280. Moving broadside at about 100 yards. One shot high behind the shoulder with my hunting load - 24.0 grains of Reloader 7 under the 80-grain Barnes TTSX - and he dropped. As you can see, the specific location he was hanging out was less than ideal. Very wet and muddy, and dragging him to a tree for skinning and gutting was a bit of a chore, to put it mildly. Happy hunting, fellas.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g216/bhiggins25/30f4a702.jpg Did the bullet pass through? If not, do you have pics of it? If so, do you have pics of entrance and exit? |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 12:09:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wombat25]
[#50]
Originally Posted By Altair:
Did the bullet pass through? If not, do you have pics of it? If so, do you have pics of entrance and exit? This is the third game animal killed with this specific cartridge-rifle-load combination. Two pigs (the other one is on pg. 25 of this thread) and a buck (pg. 32). All have been complete pass-throughs. I was somewhat hopeful, upon seeing the size of this pig, that I would recover the bullet but in the location where it struck the ribcage was no more than 12" wide. I don't have pictures of the exit wound, but it was significantly larger than the entrance wound, indicating that some expansion had taken place even in that short amount of travel. I'm in California's lead-free zone, and there remains an active debate among area hunters as to the efficacy of the Barnes bullets. I'm sure this is partially due to resentment with regards to being compelled by law to use them (or equivalents). Nevertheless, my experience makes me a believer. With proper shot placement, they kill like a laser beam. Even with less-than-ideal shot placement, they kill. I have never seen evidence of one failing in the way that conventionally-jacketed big game bullets sometimes can. Perhaps most importantly for this thread, they truly allow small cartridges - like the .25-223 - to 'punch above their weight.' Even if I were hunting deer or pigs outside the lead-free zone with the .25-223, there is no way (or reason) I would use anything other than the Barnes TTSX.
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