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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2012 2:28:35 PM EDT
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Damn well still looks like h335 is the cats ass huh
I'm hoping to come across some 2200 this weekend. That will be my last experiment. I'll start my stockpiling with that or the H335. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2012 3:10:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scatterbrains]
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what is 2200 exactly when i went to a show to get powder i looked and all i found was a 8lb jug do they make it in 1lb lots? Guy said it was surplus powder.
Is that correct? NM found it i was always looking at alliants page 
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2012 3:34:05 PM EDT
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Damn AA has an awesome data selection!
Has anyone messed with AA2230 their data for 6x45 seems real close to 2200 and little better with heavier bullets. Damnit i need to find a better reloading house around here 
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2012 5:51:39 PM EDT
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so ran 50 more rounds today, i was incorrect about the GP size, it was closer to .065" worked up to .076". way better but still sometimes hiccups shot it with my other lower and does same thing. So im going to grab the next 3 sized bits and go up from there. shoots good though, my chrono should be here this week so ill get some velocity #'s next weekend hopefully.
Its getting better  just wish i had more time to actually shoot it.
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Posted: 1/7/2012 6:18:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
so ran 50 more rounds today, i was incorrect about the GP size, it was closer to .065" worked up to .076". way better but still sometimes hiccups shot it with my other lower and does same thing. So im going to grab the next 3 sized bits and go up from there. shoots good though, my chrono should be here this week so ill get some velocity #'s next weekend hopefully. Its getting better just wish i had more time to actually shoot it.
Looks like .082" to .086" will likely do the trick for most if not all weights for the 25-223 loads with either mid or rifle length gas systems. Good Luck. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2012 9:01:33 PM EDT
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Ill def keep you updated, this all has really been a long test. I am now quite familiar with the gas ststem and its ability to be changed.
I hope my "problems" arent looked at as real problems im really just getting more information for myself on how these weapons work. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2012 10:28:10 PM EDT
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I know that somewhere in this thread people posted various magazine lengths allowed.
Which mags allowed the longer COAL? |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2012 9:54:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ocelott:
I know that somewhere in this thread people posted various magazine lengths allowed. Which mags allowed the longer COAL? I use GI, pmag and a 10rd thermold, the thermold will take longer OAL but not enough to really matter. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2012 2:38:28 PM EDT
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FINALLY!!!
I went to a local gunshop and they had a can of Accurate 2200! I've wanted to try this powder before I got carried away loading a thousand plus with the H335. I should be able to post the results Sat. or Sun. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/26/2012 3:52:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dr69er]
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Sounds Good, I would really like to see how it does w/ the 25-223...I want to try it with my 6.5mm PCC as well...Some of these new powders
are definately hard to find in many places... Thanks. http://illirianengineeringc.ipage.com/65mm––68mm-pcc-pics-video-clips-charts-load-data.html |
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Posted: 1/26/2012 4:09:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ocelott:
I know that somewhere in this thread people posted various magazine lengths allowed. Which mags allowed the longer COAL? PRI mags for the .223/5.56 did, but I am unsure of the new ones. I just assumed they were the same as 203 years ago.... |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2012 9:55:05 PM EDT
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Lucky bastard, im just goin to order the powder I need of the net local sucks : (
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2012 6:12:33 PM EDT
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Dry weather but a little cool.
52 degrees, 2-3 mph wind from about 7 o'clock These were safe in MY RIFLE but use at your own risk. Accutate 2200, Rem. 7 1/2 primers, formed Lake City brass, and Sierra 100 gr, #1620 bullets 23.7 gr. - 2511fps (10 shot avg.) 24.0 gr. - 2518 fps (10 shot avg.) 24.3 gr. - 2586 fps (10 shot avg.) At 24.3 grains the edges of the primers were JUST starting to show signs of flattening. No other pressure signs could be seen. All groups were about MOA with the 24.3 load giving a 5/8" and a 9/16" five shot group. I think I'll load up some more at 24.3 and see if it repeats the performance. |
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Posted: 1/29/2012 6:32:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dr69er]
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Originally Posted By Graycard:
Dry weather but a little cool. 52 degrees, 2-3 mph wind from about 7 o'clock These were safe in MY RIFLE but use at your own risk. Accutate 2200, Rem. 7 1/2 primers, formed Lake City brass, and Sierra 100 gr, #1620 bullets 23.7 gr. - 2511fps (10 shot avg.) 24.0 gr. - 2518 fps (10 shot avg.) 24.3 gr. - 2586 fps (10 shot avg.) At 24.3 grains the edges of the primers were JUST starting to show signs of flattening. No other pressure signs could be seen. All groups were about MOA with the 24.3 load giving a 5/8" and a 9/16" five shot group. I think I'll load up some more at 24.3 and see if it repeats the performance. Graycard, those velocities look pretty good...whould like to try this powder with the 6.5mm PCC round. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2012 7:37:30 PM EDT
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whould like to try this powder with the 6.5mm PCC round
Just send me the rifle and dies and I'll let you know how it does.
Until today, H335 had been my powder of choice but the 2200 has given a rather good jump in velocity. But I never jump at the first test. I'll load some more tonight and then run down to my range in the next day or so. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2012 10:11:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
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Confirmation is a good thing.
I think that AA2200 is going to be a great powder for the 25-223Ar. Originally Posted By Graycard:
Dry weather but a little cool. 52 degrees, 2-3 mph wind from about 7 o'clock These were safe in MY RIFLE but use at your own risk. Accutate 2200, Rem. 7 1/2 primers, formed Lake City brass, and Sierra 100 gr, #1620 bullets 23.7 gr. - 2511fps (10 shot avg.) 24.0 gr. - 2518 fps (10 shot avg.) 24.3 gr. - 2586 fps (10 shot avg.) At 24.3 grains the edges of the primers were JUST starting to show signs of flattening. No other pressure signs could be seen. All groups were about MOA with the 24.3 load giving a 5/8" and a 9/16" five shot group. I think I'll load up some more at 24.3 and see if it repeats the performance. Originally Posted By 320pf:
I had a chance to do some further work with A2200 and 100g Sierra Pro Hunters and 100 gr Speer spritzer BTSP. But first here is a little background on A2200 from the Accurate website. It has it origins as a "one off" military surplus double base spherical powder designed for the 7.62mmx39. It was sold by Accurate as one of their data powders DP-2200. It was available from about 1995 to 1999. During that time it must have built quite a following because the brought out a canister version of it in 2010, supposedly with the same burn characteristics as the original DP-2200. Accurate lists the burn rate for A2200 between (fast to slow) A1680 and A2015/A2230. On the Accurate burn rate chart it is listed as ~ equivalent to RE-7, a granular double base powder. So given that A2200 is fine grained spherical powder you can get higher powder/load densities in the 25-223AR case volume. Here are the results for AA2200 THE STANDARD DISCLAIMER; USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.... WORK UP SLOWLY Sierra 100g PH and A2200 (16-inch 1:10 barrel) Load g––- velocity fps 24.0––––––-2540 ±20 24.3––––––-2580 ±7 24.5––––––-2600 ±9* 24.8––––––-2620 ±16** 25.0––––––-2650 ±8** *MAX OR SLIGHTLY OVER MAX LOAD **HOT LOAD! I also had a chance to try loading A2200 pushing the Speer 100g BTSP from my 16-inch barrel: Speer 100g BTSP and A2200 (16-inch 1:10 barrel) Load g––- velocity fps 24.0––––––-2570 ±20 24.3––––––-2610 ±25* 24.5––––––-2630 ±30** 24.8––––––-2645 ±2** 25.0––––––-2670 ±13** *MAX OR SLIGHTLY OVER MAX LOAD **HOT LOAD! |
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Posted: 1/29/2012 10:24:10 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2012 4:07:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Graycard:
Dry weather but a little cool. 52 degrees, 2-3 mph wind from about 7 o'clock These were safe in MY RIFLE but use at your own risk. Accutate 2200, Rem. 7 1/2 primers, formed Lake City brass, and Sierra 100 gr, #1620 bullets 23.7 gr. - 2511fps (10 shot avg.) 24.0 gr. - 2518 fps (10 shot avg.) 24.3 gr. - 2586 fps (10 shot avg.) At 24.3 grains the edges of the primers were JUST starting to show signs of flattening. No other pressure signs could be seen. All groups were about MOA with the 24.3 load giving a 5/8" and a 9/16" five shot group. I think I'll load up some more at 24.3 and see if it repeats the performance. I went back down to my range today to do a little more testing with the 2200. Accutate 2200, Rem. 7 1/2 primers, formed Lake City brass, and Sierra 100 gr, #1620 bullets, 16" barrel 24.3 gr. - 2608 fps (20 shot avg.) 24.5 gr. - 2688 fps (10 shot avg.)***Over Max. for my rifle!*** Today, I ended up with an average of 22 fps faster with the same load I tried the other day. ?????????? I'll try it again with about a fifty round batch to get more accurate data. I consider the 24.3 to be the max. load with this powder for my rifle. I'll also slide a higher power scope on for a few days and see how the groups turn out. At 24.5 grs. the primer were flattening and effects started showing up on the case rims. The velocities also had a much greater spread with a low of 2650 fps to 2732 fps. |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 11:41:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2012 11:14:58 AM EDT
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I have been meaning to experiment with the AA2200 and see what kind of velos I can get with my 20", but my damn Ch4D dies are giving me issues. The dies will resize a 223 to a 25AR just fine, but after I shoot, that once fired brass after being resized in the die, sometimes (usually) has almost zero neck tension.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2012 12:17:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
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Hi Chewbacca,
I am in Italy this week so I will not be able to get back to you until Monday but could you please mic the expander ball on the dies. Maybe Graycard could mike is die set and we could compare the two to see if the expander ball is too large. If this BS with the CH4D dies continues, I will look into get another source for dies. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/8/2012 1:03:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 320pf:
Hi Chewbacca, I am in Italy this week so I will not be able to get back to you until Monday but could you please mic the expander ball on the dies. Maybe Graycard could mike is die set and we could compare the two to see if the expander ball is too large. If this BS with the CH4D dies continues, I will look into get another source for dies. I have had some Issues as well with some of the CH4D dies, I have noticed that the expander button is oversized by .004" to .005" thus causing very poor neck tension...Never again will I do business with them...I am sending out my prints to a new die maker as we speak, it was bad enough we had to wait 10 months for my prepaid die order on the 6.5mm PCC dies...Anyway, good luck. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2012 2:55:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Graycard]
[#23]
Originally Posted By 320pf:
Hi Chewbacca, I am in Italy this week so I will not be able to get back to you until Monday but could you please mic the expander ball on the dies. Maybe Graycard could mike is die set and we could compare the two to see if the expander ball is too large. If this BS with the CH4D dies continues, I will look into get another source for dies. For what it is worth, I'm not having any problems. My expander ball measures .254 inch. All of my brass is Lake City surplus. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2012 4:13:59 PM EDT
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I am having the same problem, when I run new cases (I tried about 5 different headstamps and diff years of LC) I can seat the projectiles just fine.
I shoot them and then go to resize them, the expander ball doesn't touch the neck coming or going on the FL resize. Needless to say the projectiles won't seat afterwards. I contacted CH4D on this and they sent out another die pronto, I sent the old one back. I have the same issues with the second one. I sent it back with a note. I'm now awaiting another die from them. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2012 4:33:23 PM EDT
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Spoke to Bryan at CH4D and they are in the process of making another run of the sizing dies for this cartridge.
Latest estimate by them was 4 months until the replacements are in. |
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Posted: 2/8/2012 7:00:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blammer:
Spoke to Bryan at CH4D and they are in the process of making another run of the sizing dies for this cartridge. Latest estimate by them was 4 months until the replacements are in. Shit.... not this again. They said that last time and 10 months later I have three sets of dies that don't work. |
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Posted: 2/8/2012 7:01:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VeritatisUnus]
[#27]
Originally Posted By 320pf:
Hi Chewbacca, I am in Italy this week so I will not be able to get back to you until Monday but could you please mic the expander ball on the dies. Maybe Graycard could mike is die set and we could compare the two to see if the expander ball is too large. If this BS with the CH4D dies continues, I will look into get another source for dies. Do find another source. Scatterbrains, DR69 and Blammer are having the same issues. CH4D isn't being helpful either. We need another source. ETA: I'm so pissed about this, it has held me up with this cartridge. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2012 7:32:22 PM EDT
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Any reason you guys with insufficient neck tension can't just chuck the expander ball in a drill, use some fine sand paper and take a few thou off of it?
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Posted: 2/8/2012 8:13:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By VaFish:
Any reason you guys with insufficient neck tension can't just chuck the expander ball in a drill, use some fine sand paper and take a few thou off of it? I have resized without the expander in and still don't get enough neck tension. The die body is too large; the guy from CH4D said he used 20+ year old specs for the 223, which is larger than today or something........ |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2012 8:31:33 PM EDT
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The neck portion of the die, when you run the brass up into the die, is too large, it does not size the neck down small enough.
It's not a matter of the expander ball being too big, it's a matter of the neck portion of the sizer being too big. If you grind that more you just make it larger. |
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Posted: 2/9/2012 12:35:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Altair]
[#31]
Originally Posted By Blammer:
The neck portion of the die, when you run the brass up into the die, is too large, it does not size the neck down small enough. It's not a matter of the expander ball being too big, it's a matter of the neck portion of the sizer being too big. If you grind that more you just make it larger. I agree it has to be the die body. If it was the expander ball you would have the problem with newly resized cases since the expander is the last thing that sizes the neck. If it is the neck in the die body then the expander ball will expand the .223 neck properly and the die body will not do anything to the neck, leaving you with proper neck tension. After firing the case as a .25-223 and expanding the neck, the die body doesn't resize the neck down enough so the expander ball doesn't really do anything and you end up with a neck that is too loose. If this is the case then it has nothing to do with what .223 dimentions CH4D used when making the dies since the neck isn't going to be standard .223 anyway, it is .257". That sounds like a BS excuse. I have not had this issue, for what its worth. I got in on the original run of .25-223 dies from CH4D and have several loads on my cases and can use them repeatedly in my AR without crimping and I haven't had setback issues. ETA: Could this be an issue related to brass? I use Lake City but if another make of brass has a thinner neck it could be at least part of the problem. What brass are you guys using that aren't getting appropriate neck tension? |
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Posted: 2/9/2012 1:13:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By Blammer:
The neck portion of the die, when you run the brass up into the die, is too large, it does not size the neck down small enough. It's not a matter of the expander ball being too big, it's a matter of the neck portion of the sizer being too big. If you grind that more you just make it larger. I agree it has to be the die body. If it was the expander ball you would have the problem with newly resized cases since the expander is the last thing that sizes the neck. If it is the neck in the die body then the expander ball will expand the .223 neck properly and the die body will not do anything to the neck, leaving you with proper neck tension. After firing the case as a .25-223 and expanding the neck, the die body doesn't resize the neck down enough so the expander ball doesn't really do anything and you end up with a neck that is too loose. If this is the case then it has nothing to do with what .223 dimentions CH4D used when making the dies since the neck isn't going to be standard .223 anyway, it is .257". That sounds like a BS excuse. I have not had this issue, for what its worth. I got in on the original run of .25-223 dies from CH4D and have several loads on my cases and can use them repeatedly in my AR without crimping and I haven't had setback issues. ETA: Could this be an issue related to brass? I use Lake City but if another make of brass has a thinner neck it could be at least part of the problem. What brass are you guys using that aren't getting appropriate neck tension? Altair is correct in that (as I mentioned in a previous post) the Issues seem to be off dimensions in neck diameter & length, Incorrect shoulder angle (on some of my PCC dies) and expander button that is oversized... |
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Posted: 2/9/2012 1:14:11 AM EDT
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My experience with Ben was great. I was impressed with him and the 25-223 dies I got from Hornady. Got my die set in 83 days last fall, he initially projected 90 days. Now that he's done this chambering I don't know if subsequent die sets would be faster. If you contact him, you can reference Order Number 528728 and/or part# 8CD257D2 to help Ben zero in on the correct chambering.
Ben Syring....email [email protected] 1-800-338-3220 Custom Reloading Die Designer Hornady Mfg. Co. 3625 W. Old Potash Hwy Grand Island, NE 68803 |
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Posted: 2/9/2012 10:29:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Altair:
snip I have used Win, Rem, Fed, and LC brass. It doesn't matter if its once fired. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2012 1:54:30 PM EDT
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LT, may i ask what it cost for the die set?
Also i have been systematically going through all the available brass that i have. I had talked to Dave(the actual die maker who made the 25-223 dies 20 some years ago) We surmised that the brass used for the initial cut was thicker than the norm now. I have set out to confirm or debunk that. I have R&P, WIN, S&B, Federal, LC. 00,01,02,03,04,05,07,08 and LC87, i have even "sized" brown bear and wolf steel. All the brass except the LC87 i have before initial sizing was .010-.011" neck thickness, after initial sizing all the brass stayed the same. Now the exception was the LC87 before sizing it was .012-.013" after sizing it was .011-.012" so i suspect that may be the problem, thicker brass was used in the die setup. Before using this caliber in an AR it was most likely used in single shot/bolt action guns. Where the average person would FL then neck size in a separate station much as i am doing now to combat the bad die dimensions. I have couple batches @30rnds, to shoot and take final once fired thickness It includes all the LC brass and the S&B. After i shoot them ill be measuring the thickness again to see what it is. I have every size recorded broken down by what manu. neck ID, OD and thickness. So far the brass R&P,WIN, Federal are all dead nutz .010-.011" before and after sizing and firing. on a side our chambers (25-223) are tight, i assume this is why the are proving to be very accurate. Thanks Brent
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Posted: 2/9/2012 2:38:32 PM EDT
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Cost was $150 plus shipping. I don't know if it gets cheaper once a die set has been designed/produced. Mine was the first he'd done so the "R&D" is out of the way.
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Posted: 2/9/2012 3:11:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
We surmised that the brass used for the initial cut was thicker than the norm now. I have set out to confirm or debunk that. It's true....controls get better, alloys change, brass gets thinner.....brass I have from the 80s is tough, turns almost brown not long after being polished, and has heavier necks by about a thow and a half.... not a good idea to try and make custom dies without measuring current run fire-formed brass... Hornady route much better..... |
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Posted: 2/9/2012 5:00:01 PM EDT
[#38]
The brass thickness plays a small role though maybe .001" or .002" difference...should not become enough of a Issue...I still think
It was bad tolerances/dimensions by the die manufacture, seems like quality control was very lax by CH4D. JMHO. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2012 5:34:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scatterbrains]
[#39]
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
The brass thickness plays a small role though maybe .001" or .002" difference...should not become enough of a Issue...I still think It was bad tolerances/dimensions by the die manufacture, seems like quality control was very lax by CH4D. JMHO. agreed DR but i'm only .002" difference between my bushing sized necks and my once fired FL neck size with the expander removed. Its a noticeable difference in neck tension. Believe my bushing is a .276" bullet dia=.257" neck thickness= .011"x2=.022 .257+.022=.279" I took .003" off for tension leaving me with .276" once fired is .278-.279" **rough estimates from my small pad at work** i may be off somewhere as all notes are at home** |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2012 8:29:05 PM EDT
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I have brass 77 LC, 82 LC,,89 LC, 90LC 99LC and a few other LC headstamps, none of it works.
I also have RP, Win, Winchester, IMI, PVRI and a few others, all have the same problems. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2012 10:17:42 AM EDT
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I don't have your chamber spec's in front of me but is it an exact necked up .223? or are some other dimensions changed slightly? reason I ask if it's just necked up what about buying a redding S bushing die for .223 and buy appropriate sized bushings for 25 cal?
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Posted: 2/10/2012 12:32:14 PM EDT
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I too received one of the 'original' die sets from CH4D and have had zero issues, with either the initial resizing or resizing fired .25-223 cases. I rarely sort my brass either.
This sounds like a die problem, not a brass problem. Hopefully Hornady can produce some additional sets at a reasonable price. I would be interested in knowing what they'll charge for subsequent runs, now that they've produced at least one set. I will say, though, that if a member really needs a sizing die to run some brass, hit me up. Mine spends most of its life in its case. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2012 1:38:33 PM EDT
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hmmm original run is gtg it seems, maybe the cutter was fucked up or they used the wrong die body on the second run?
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Posted: 2/11/2012 11:17:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Army03CRNA]
[#44]
Originally Posted By garred8787:
I don't have your chamber spec's in front of me but is it an exact necked up .223? or are some other dimensions changed slightly? reason I ask if it's just necked up what about buying a redding S bushing die for .223 and buy appropriate sized bushings for 25 cal? I've shelved this cartridge for a while because of this issue (resizing the fired case necks). I thought a 25wssm die would resize the necks––not even close. I missed the die group buys––glad I did after reading these recent posts. My only success is that my gunsmith opened the neck area of a Redding 223 body die and I can resize fired case bodies, but resizing the necks consistently still eludes me. Garred8787, I went back and forth on this very thought. What I bought was 30BR rem neck bushing die from Redding. My bushing is .275, that bushing size is great for FINALLY getting neck tension resized brass. It still isn't perfect for some reason, as 1-2 pieces of brass will come out with the neck crooked (sp?) I need to call redding and see what the deal is. My fear for not buying the 223 neck bushing die was that I was unsure if they left any shoulder taper in the neck sizing die and if so, how big that diameter would be. (Not sure if that makes sense) In other words, you might not be able to insert a 25 cal neck in a 223 bushing die even with the proper size bushing. This is why I had to have the neck area of the 223 body die opened up. Also, the 30BR die is short enough that I can neck 300blk cases should I so choose––or should I need to. My final action is to have my gunsmith use my 223 chambering reamer and cut me a die (he has blanks) that will accept the .275 bushing. This should guide the (body) sized case in smoothly enough that it goes in to the (neck) sizing bushing without canting the necks. Edited: grammar |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2012 5:33:48 PM EDT
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It may be worth contacting redding and asking if you can use a 257 neck bushing in the 223 die. :)
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2012 6:32:31 PM EDT
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Why not have Lee make a custom factory crimp die?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2012 10:17:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By VaFish:
Why not have Lee make a custom factory crimp die? crimping a bullet in place instead of having proper neck tension is not the right way to solve a problem, IMO. |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 10:40:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dr69er]
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Once the dies are cut out of spec their is not much choice left other than a factory crimp die.
Perhaps if CH4D had a real QC dept. everyone who ordered their dies would not have this problem. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2012 11:35:23 PM EDT
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Ive got some fcds being done now (5), so we will see how that goes.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2012 9:15:36 AM EDT
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dont want to loose this thread. very good info.
im not a reloader yet, some day. just hope it saves somewhere for me to find it again, lol. |
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