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Posted: 11/21/2011 9:22:57 PM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By ronnl001:
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
Ok so doing some digging, and ran across Hodgons new powder cfe223, any of you guys try this yet? or is it too new. I cant find it on a burn chart either so not sure where it falls but it moves out an 80gr bullet in 223! Min––––>23.0 2638 46,700 PSI, Max––-> 24.4 2785 53,600 PSI H335 in comparison Min––––> 20.0 2453 39,700 CUP max––––> 22.5 2744 50,000 CUP So what you veterans think?  CFE223 looks very promising. But everything I read says it will be available January 2012. I'll place an order with my dealer this afternoon. Its in stock at Grafs and some other places. I want some. I sent my dealer an e-mail. I'll see if he can get some in. Hate to pay the hazmat fees for one pound of powder. Grafs does list it as in stock, but Midway doesn't. I also sent Graf's an e-mail to see if they really do have it in stock. Grafs says they have it in stock and ready to ship. My local dealer is trying to get me some on his next order. When you try it post the results, but for me every powder I have tried slower than 335 hasn't really worked out; I don't get the speeds that 335 provides before maxing out. I think faster is the way to go, I just got my AA2200 delivered so that's next for me... |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2011 11:49:16 AM EDT
[#2]
Of course i'll post the results.
Also if anyone is looking for some cheap .257 bullets, Grafs has some privi 100 gr psp for $14.99 per 100. http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/168 |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:17:09 PM EDT
[#3]
Anyone have a length on those Privi bullets?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:29:17 PM EDT
[#4]
I have some on order. Can measure when they show up.
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2011 3:08:17 PM EDT
[#5]
good deal
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Posted: 11/22/2011 10:57:26 PM EDT
[#6]
WoooHoooo......right on schedule.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2011 6:00:44 AM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
WoooHoooo......right on schedule. http://fototime.com/C740A1387162A6C/standard.jpg How long did they take? |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 7:54:33 AM EDT
[#8]
Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
WoooHoooo......right on schedule. http://fototime.com/C740A1387162A6C/standard.jpg I'm happy to see all you guys finally get those dies In...Boy do I know the feeling ! |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2011 7:55:59 AM EDT
[#9]
Nice to see the dies coming around
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2011 7:37:12 PM EDT
[#10]
I just recieved my dies from CH4D,anyone else get dies from CH4D?
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Posted: 11/23/2011 8:00:39 PM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
WoooHoooo......right on schedule. http://fototime.com/C740A1387162A6C/standard.jpg How long did they take? Hornady rec'd the brass in the first week of Sept. The head custom die designer apologized at the time that it'd take a little longer because he just got a new CNC machine he needed to learn. So he estimated it'd be around Thanksgiving including his learning curve on the new CNC. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2011 8:03:43 PM EDT
[#12]
Wow not too bad at all
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Posted: 11/24/2011 12:06:20 AM EDT
[#13]
Originally Posted By Blammer:
I just recieved my dies from CH4D,anyone else get dies from CH4D? My dies are CH4D but were from the original batch. I got one of the last sets before they sold out and refused to make another run in a timely manner. I have no complaints about the dies, but I'm glad I wasn't stuck waiting like so many others. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2011 8:19:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Blammer]
[#14]
well I can't really complain as I ordered them last week and got them this week.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2011 9:28:50 PM EDT
[#15]
My dies got here last week - Now I'm just waiting on my trimmer
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2011 11:15:06 AM EDT
[#16]
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
Anyone have a length on those Privi bullets? Package just arrived. Couple thou over an inch with my cheap calipers. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2011 6:31:43 PM EDT
[#17]
So how well do those Privi 100gr feed?
Have you had a chance to load any up yet? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/1/2011 6:20:03 AM EDT
[#18]
Haven't had a chance yet.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/4/2011 11:14:38 AM EDT
[#19]
Brent (or anyone else for that matter), have you had a chance to do any further testing with the AA2200?
I'm sitting on the H335 at the moment but want to make sure it is the best "to go" powder before I load up a couple of thousand. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/4/2011 1:40:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Originally Posted By Graycard:
Brent (or anyone else for that matter), have you had a chance to do any further testing with the AA2200? I'm sitting on the H335 at the moment but want to make sure it is the best "to go" powder before I load up a couple of thousand. I would like to see how the AA2200 does as well for my 6.5 PCC wildcat as well. Although, so far H335 has done very well (velocity & pressure) w/ the 6.5mm PCC wildcat thus far. Since the .25/.257 caliber is so close in bore thay will likely have very similar results... I think judging from my ballistic programs AA2200 should do well w/ the .223 based cats... Good Luck Guys. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 12/4/2011 6:21:11 PM EDT
[#21]
Originally Posted By Graycard:
Brent (or anyone else for that matter), have you had a chance to do any further testing with the AA2200? I'm sitting on the H335 at the moment but want to make sure it is the best "to go" powder before I load up a couple of thousand. I have tried AA2200 with the Sierra 90 g GK. This is a large cavity HPBT bullet. I have also reposted my results from the Speer 87g bullet. It seem that A2200 and RE-7 have very similar burn rates in this cartridge. If anybody has QuickLoad and the AA2200 and R-7 powder data loaded I would like to see what pressure these loads are running. So far the A2200, RE-7, and H335 seem to be the go to powders for this cartridge. I have model pressure data from the powley computer, I would like to compare the model data. The cartridge specs are 31-32 gr H2O case length is 1.70, all other case dimensions are the same as the 5.56x45/223REM. The standard reload warnings apply. Start low and work up slowly. A2200 16-inch barrel 90g Sierra GK chrgvel.estim. 24.3___2680 24.5___2700__ MAX LOAD 24.8___2730__ MAX LOAD 25.0___2700__ MAX LOAD 25.5___2790__ OVER MAX LOAD 26.0___2810__ OVER MAX LOAD There seems to be a nice velocity/pressure node between 24.5 and 25.0. RE-7 16-inch barrel 87g Speer chrgvel.estim. 20.0___2413 20.5___2394 21.0___2506 21.5___2544 22.0___2576 22.5___2609 23.0___2666 23.5___2693 24.0___2749__ NEAR MAX LOAD 24.5___2807__ OVER MAX LOAD 320pf |
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Posted: 12/4/2011 11:15:39 PM EDT
[#22]
320 PF,
QL shows the following: (Please use the RELOADING DATA at your OWN RISK.) .257 Sierra 90gr BK 16.1" bbl. @ 32.0 gr Max Case Cap., Pmax (PSI) of 55,114K using AA2200 powder: Charge (MAX) of: 23.5grs. Velocity (FPS) of: 2,571 Pressure (PSI) of: 54,472 Same data using RL-7 and Speer 87 gr TNT: Charge (MAX): 23.8grs Velocity FPS; 2,667 Pressure PSI: 55,034 |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 12/7/2011 11:39:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
320 PF, QL shows the following: (Please use the RELOADING DATA at your OWN RISK.) .257 Sierra 90gr BK 16.1" bbl. @ 32.0 gr Max Case Cap., Pmax (PSI) of 55,114K using AA2200 powder: Charge (MAX) of: 23.5grs. Velocity (FPS) of: 2,571 Pressure (PSI) of: 54,472 Same data using RL-7 and Speer 87 gr TNT: Charge (MAX): 23.8grs Velocity FPS; 2,667 Pressure PSI: 55,034 Dr69er, Thanks for running the QL numbers. It seems like the Powley computer gives pretty similar numbers. Using the same parameters: Powley computer 257 Sierra 90gr BK 16.1" bbl. @ 32.0 gr Max Case Cap. A velocity of 2570 with 23.5g of powder would produce about 48500 CUP or about 57000 psi. For the Speer 87g TNT A velocity of 2667 with 23.8g of powder charge would produce about 48200 CUP or about 56000 psi. I noticed that you ran the models using the Sierra 90gr BliztKings. These bullets are 1.07 in long. I am shooting the 90g GameKings and they are only 0.89 inches long. The same thing with the Speer 87 gr TNT which is 0.92 in in length and the Speer 87 gr HotCor which is 0.84 in long. Would it be possible to run the QL model agin using the Sierra 90g GameKings and the Speer 87 gr HotCor? The Powley software indicates a max load potential of about 2740 for the 90g GameKings and 2800 for the Speer 87 gr HotCor. I had a chance to shoot the Horn 117g RN. They feed very well in the AR. The standard reload warnings apply. Start low and work up slowly. A2200 16-inch barrelHorn 117gr RN chrgvel.estim. Poweley set press. 22.0___2260 22.5___2300__ 49100 23.0___2340__ 51300 23.5___2390__ 49100__MAX LOAD (1480 ft-lb) 24.0___2440__ 52700__OVER MAX LOAD (1540 ft-lb) Thanks 320pf |
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Posted: 12/11/2011 12:41:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By 320pf:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
320 PF, QL shows the following: (Please use the RELOADING DATA at your OWN RISK.) .257 Sierra 90gr BK 16.1" bbl. @ 32.0 gr Max Case Cap., Pmax (PSI) of 55,114K using AA2200 powder: Charge (MAX) of: 23.5grs. Velocity (FPS) of: 2,571 Pressure (PSI) of: 54,472 Same data using RL-7 and Speer 87 gr TNT: Charge (MAX): 23.8grs Velocity FPS; 2,667 Pressure PSI: 55,034 OK with the Speer 87gr. SPHC load (@ 2.260" COL,32.0grs Max.CC),Charge:24.1grs.(RL-7) Velocity: 2,644fps., Pressure: 53,505 PSI. (@ 55,114 PMax) OK with the Sie.90gr.GK load @ 2.260" COL., 32.0grs.Max.CC: Charge: 25.1grs.(AA2200), Velocity: 2,599fps., Pressure: 53,600 PSI. (55,114 PSI Max.) Dr69er, Thanks for running the QL numbers. It seems like the Powley computer gives pretty similar numbers. Using the same parameters: Powley computer 257 Sierra 90gr BK 16.1" bbl. @ 32.0 gr Max Case Cap. A velocity of 2570 with 23.5g of powder would produce about 48500 CUP or about 57000 psi. For the Speer 87g TNT A velocity of 2667 with 23.8g of powder charge would produce about 48200 CUP or about 56000 psi. I noticed that you ran the models using the Sierra 90gr BliztKings. These bullets are 1.07 in long. I am shooting the 90g GameKings and they are only 0.89 inches long. The same thing with the Speer 87 gr TNT which is 0.92 in in length and the Speer 87 gr HotCor which is 0.84 in long. Would it be possible to run the QL model agin using the Sierra 90g GameKings and the Speer 87 gr HotCor? The Powley software indicates a max load potential of about 2740 for the 90g GameKings and 2800 for the Speer 87 gr HotCor. I had a chance to shoot the Horn 117g RN. They feed very well in the AR. The standard reload warnings apply. Start low and work up slowly. A2200 16-inch barrelHorn 117gr RN chrgvel.estim. Poweley set press. 22.0___2260 22.5___2300__ 49100 23.0___2340__ 51300 23.5___2390__ 49100__MAX LOAD (1480 ft-lb) 24.0___2440__ 52700__OVER MAX LOAD (1540 ft-lb) Thanks 320pf |
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Posted: 12/11/2011 10:18:20 PM EDT
[#25]
Ran another 50 through the rifle today, up to 100 downrange shoots good still having cycleing issues but its getting better. May try a lighter buffer see if that helps. Cant wait to see how it shoots when it cycles
This is at 100yds 
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Posted: 12/12/2011 12:03:58 PM EDT
[#26]
Scatterbrains, what kind of cycling issues?
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2011 12:11:10 PM EDT
[#27]
Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Scatterbrains, what kind of cycling issues? Its short stroking, gettin better it "locks" back on carrier not bolt when last round fired. Only have 100rnds through it so may need more breakin the upper fit is tight. Seems to be gassed perfectly dumps out at 3 oclock and@ 4' from rifle. Runnin 25gr h335 under 85gr bt, no psi signs |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2011 12:49:26 PM EDT
[#28]
Is your gas block lined up correctly?
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2011 1:56:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scatterbrains]
[#29]
Yeah gas system seems gtg need to check for burrs in the tube and some other things. Going to swap in my carbines carrier and see if that helps at all and going to reinstall my gas block to double check its alignment. I have a list of checks but dont really have the time to shoot as much as i need to.
need to make new rounds too. I am very happy with the rifles inherent accuracy with the nosler BT in 85gr. Once i get this rifle running right itll be time for some serious development. 
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2011 12:05:46 PM EDT
[#30]
So a little update I think I found the problem the gasrings bind in both of my carriers. So hopefully ill be able to get out sat to confirm.
Just goin to toss the whole carrier assembly from my 223 carbine into the 25to see what it does. I checked entire gas system repositioned my GB made sure nothing is binding. So hopefully all it is is the gasrings. 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2011 1:17:23 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
So a little update I think I found the problem the gasrings bind in both of my carriers. So hopefully ill be able to get out sat to confirm. Just goin to toss the whole carrier assembly from my 223 carbine into the 25to see what it does. I checked entire gas system repositioned my GB made sure nothing is binding. So hopefully all it is is the gasrings. You might need to drill out the gas port a bit. IIRC 320PF makes them on the small size. I bought a bunch of drill bits in the sizes to step up one at a time, but didn't need them. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2011 5:37:25 PM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
So a little update I think I found the problem the gasrings bind in both of my carriers. So hopefully ill be able to get out sat to confirm. Just goin to toss the whole carrier assembly from my 223 carbine into the 25to see what it does. I checked entire gas system repositioned my GB made sure nothing is binding. So hopefully all it is is the gasrings. You might need to drill out the gas port a bit. IIRC 320PF makes them on the small size. I bought a bunch of drill bits in the sizes to step up one at a time, but didn't need them. yeah i have the bits needed but want to rule out other stuff since it ejects good so far wasnt able to get any shooting done today 
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Posted: 12/17/2011 7:04:50 PM EDT
[#33]
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
So a little update I think I found the problem the gasrings bind in both of my carriers. So hopefully ill be able to get out sat to confirm. Just goin to toss the whole carrier assembly from my 223 carbine into the 25to see what it does. I checked entire gas system repositioned my GB made sure nothing is binding. So hopefully all it is is the gasrings. You might need to drill out the gas port a bit. IIRC 320PF makes them on the small size. I bought a bunch of drill bits in the sizes to step up one at a time, but didn't need them. yeah i have the bits needed but want to rule out other stuff since it ejects good so far wasnt able to get any shooting done today I agree. Drilling out a gas port should always be the last thing you do. It is easy to increase, but if you find out something else was the problem you can't go back. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2011 7:20:30 PM EDT
[#34]
Has anyone had a chance to play with the CFE223 yet?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:45:52 AM EDT
[#35]
Originally Posted By ocelott:
Has anyone had a chance to play with the CFE223 yet? I have some on order it hasn't come in yet. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2011 10:24:49 AM EDT
[#36]
Been looking but noone has any in stock, not even the reloader house out my way
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NY, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2011 3:27:09 PM EDT
[#37]
Originally Posted By ocelott:
Has anyone had a chance to play with the CFE223 yet? I looked into this powder and from what I could find on the Hodgdon site it looks like CFE223 will be too slow of a burning powder to see top velocities from the 23-223AR |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2011 10:48:13 AM EDT
[#38]
I am interested in a barrel. Could make my own from a blank but not really comfortable drilling the gas port. Would want to be sure the hole was in the groove. Where are the barrels coming from?
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2011 12:25:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By bfmcleaky:
I am interested in a barrel. Could make my own from a blank but not really comfortable drilling the gas port. Would want to be sure the hole was in the groove. Where are the barrels coming from? Im 320pf poster above yours |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 12/31/2011 5:49:23 PM EDT
[#40]
Update:
Now have 200rnds through the gun it is a tack driver!! But still wont cycle the bolt wasnt the issue swapped my carbine carrier assembly into the gun same thing short stroking. So gas system is GTG, i think for testing purposes i am goin to pull some wieght out of the buffer and try it again. Pretty psitive ill be drilling out the gasport though. BUT damn it shoots soooo good, sighted in my vortex fantastic scope!at 25yds (sight in and testing only) i was keeping full mags inside a beer cap. I cant wait till i get it cycling.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/31/2011 11:54:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Graycard]
[#41]
For what it is worth, I opened mine just slightly when this thread started and it has been 100% since. I also found that with pmags I have a problem now and then of it not staying open on the last round. Switched to Lancer mag (USGI 20 rd. mags work well also) and that took care of that problem. Every rifle may need a little fine tuning.
But as you mentioned, these things drive tacks!! ( Lord, I just noticed that this thread is a year and a half old! ) |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/1/2012 12:39:21 AM EDT
[#42]
I do recall you saying that earlier, any idea what size bits i should pick up?
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USA
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Posted: 1/1/2012 1:19:15 AM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
I do recall you saying that earlier, any idea what size bits i should pick up? First measure the current diameter of your gasport...Shoud be around .080" or higher Then maybe start with a # 46 then work your way up...Do Not go past a size # 39 bit (.099") The diameter goes up as the # size goes down... Make sure you tape the drill bit and measure how deep you need to go... Good Luck. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/1/2012 1:53:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: scatterbrains]
[#44]
DR,
port is .082" What do you think about trying a lighter buffer before drilling? Ill prob settle on one load for the rifle based on accuracy and stick with it. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/1/2012 7:36:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dr69er]
[#45]
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
DR, port is .082" What do you think about trying a lighter buffer before drilling? Ill prob settle on one load for the rifle based on accuracy and stick with it. Yes by all means, opening up the gasport is a last resort. Lighter buffer and a lighter or shorter buffer spring (start by clipping the spring in half coils first). You can also polish the underside of the Bolt Carrier were it rides the top of the hammer to reduce friction, do the same thing to the surface/tip of the hammer were it rides against the underside of the Bolt Carrier. You may be surprised to find out those small steps will end the short stroking Issue...now if all those steps don't work then move to enlarging the gasport. Good Luck. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/1/2012 12:10:00 PM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
DR, port is .082" What do you think about trying a lighter buffer before drilling? Ill prob settle on one load for the rifle based on accuracy and stick with it. Yes by all means, opening up the gasport is a last resort. Lighter buffer and a lighter or shorter buffer spring (start by clipping the spring in half coils first). You can also polish the underside of the Bolt Carrier were it rides the top of the hammer to reduce friction, do the same thing to the surface/tip of the hammer were it rides against the underside of the Bolt Carrier. You may be surprised to find out those small steps will end the short stroking Issue...now if all those steps don't work then move to enlarging the gasport. Good Luck. Think im goin to pick up a NiB carrier (later), i took 3oz out of the buffer and used some 45acp shells for filler to check function, ill have to get some ammo made and function check it later in the week. Ive only been batches of 25 or 50 to work through the teething problems.
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:31:42 AM EDT
[#47]
Been doing some research for stuff to try in future has anyone tried power pro varmint from alliant? burns a little faster than RE7 on Alliants burn chart.
Thinking it would be a good match to the 70gr BK. Not sure how it works but if someone can run the numbers for me see if its worth looking into. Thanks |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 2:09:28 AM EDT
[#48]
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
Been doing some research for stuff to try in future has anyone tried power pro varmint from alliant? burns a little faster than RE7 on Alliants burn chart. Thinking it would be a good match to the 70gr BK. Not sure how it works but if someone can run the numbers for me see if its worth looking into. Thanks I did. When I emailed them about the powder, they said it was close to the discontinued RE12, so that is interesting you are saying its faster than RE7. I made some loads with it, but it was too slow. I chewed up the rest of the powder in some 223 plinking loads. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2012 11:04:47 AM EDT
[#49]
Damn well still looks like h335 is the cats ass huh
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2012 1:48:01 PM EDT
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