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MO, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2011 10:31:49 PM EDT
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mr. bwaites have you chronyed those 300 grain loads? just curious . I really dont need another big bore but, I do have a spare built up lower laying around and if I happend up on a deal well.......................
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Posted: 12/11/2011 10:49:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jwb47:
mr. bwaites have you chronyed those 300 grain loads? just curious . I really dont need another big bore but, I do have a spare built up lower laying around and if I happend up on a deal well....................... About 2100 FPS. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2011 7:32:16 PM EDT
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cool thanks a bunch.
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LA, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2011 11:14:35 PM EDT
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You guys are missing the boat if you don't look at the .450 Bushmaster. The complete uppers are easy to find and Hornady and Remington are making ammo for it. I used a DPMS lower and the 16" upper snapped right on. I added a Magpul MOE telescoping stock and the gun looks sweet! Haven't shot it yet; going to the farm after Christmas and will be lighting it up.
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Posted: 12/15/2011 9:24:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shootist357sig:
You guys are missing the boat if you don't look at the .450 Bushmaster. The complete uppers are easy to find and Hornady and Remington are making ammo for it. I used a DPMS lower and the 16" upper snapped right on. I added a Magpul MOE telescoping stock and the gun looks sweet! Haven't shot it yet; going to the farm after Christmas and will be lighting it up. Lets see here...you haven't even shot it yet...but you know the rest of us are "missing the boat"?  
Seriously, everyone picks their cartridge for different reasons. As I've said before the BEO the SOCOM and BUSHY are ALL great cartridges...just a bit different from one another. They share one thing in common though: Big Bore FUN......! And no one is "missing the boat" if they choose one over the other. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2011 8:33:58 AM EDT
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I love these big bore cartridge arguments. been going on for years. the one you buy and spend money on is the one your going to argue for, come on, you not going to buy a Socom and then go around talking about how the beowulf is so much better. This is a chevy ford argument.
What I will say is for those that keep arguing about how one has more commercial ammo then the other, you are missing the boat. all of these cartridges are reloader cartridges. if your not reloading for these, your not taking advantages of the cartridges and there capabilities. I do love reloading all my calibers....but the beowulf is the most enjoyable. just something about loading those big fat ass rounds. |
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Posted: 12/16/2011 4:37:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Swamp_Rat_Shooter:
I love these big bore cartridge arguments. been going on for years. the one you buy and spend money on is the one your going to argue for, come on, you not going to buy a Socom and then go around talking about how the beowulf is so much better. This is a chevy ford argument. What I will say is for those that keep arguing about how one has more commercial ammo then the other, you are missing the boat. all of these cartridges are reloader cartridges. if your not reloading for these, your not taking advantages of the cartridges and there capabilities. I do love reloading all my calibers....but the beowulf is the most enjoyable. just something about loading those big fat ass rounds. This sums it up nicely. If you don't reload, I wouldn't recommend any of the big bores. When I had decided to get a big bore AR I ended up with the Beowulf just because I lucked into a used one. I do like how I just use the Rev M PMags I already have and it's GTG. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2011 8:31:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By huge_gator:
Originally Posted By Swamp_Rat_Shooter:
I love these big bore cartridge arguments. been going on for years. the one you buy and spend money on is the one your going to argue for, come on, you not going to buy a Socom and then go around talking about how the beowulf is so much better. This is a chevy ford argument. What I will say is for those that keep arguing about how one has more commercial ammo then the other, you are missing the boat. all of these cartridges are reloader cartridges. if your not reloading for these, your not taking advantages of the cartridges and there capabilities. I do love reloading all my calibers....but the beowulf is the most enjoyable. just something about loading those big fat ass rounds. This sums it up nicely. If you don't reload, I wouldn't recommend any of the big bores. When I had decided to get a big bore AR I ended up with the Beowulf just because I lucked into a used one. I do like how I just use the Rev M PMags I already have and it's GTG. correct this is the proper display for a big bore 
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Posted: 12/16/2011 9:25:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Swamp_Rat_Shooter:
I love these big bore cartridge arguments. been going on for years. the one you buy and spend money on is the one your going to argue for, come on, you not going to buy a Socom and then go around talking about how the beowulf is so much better. This is a chevy ford argument. What I will say is for those that keep arguing about how one has more commercial ammo then the other, you are missing the boat. all of these cartridges are reloader cartridges. if your not reloading for these, your not taking advantages of the cartridges and there capabilities. I do love reloading all my calibers....but the beowulf is the most enjoyable. just something about loading those big fat ass rounds. Commercially available ammo IS a valid point…since not everyone has the desire to reload. I would not argue your point about getting the most from any of the mentioned cartridges by reloading for it yourself….but IF you elect not to, the SOCOM does in fact offer the most. SBR Also, SBR will reload your fired brass for you (in a number of bullet choices and loads) at substantial savings over NEW ammo. You won’t find anyone doing that for the Bushy or the BEO. I offer this information only so anyone “sitting on the fence” about one of these Big-Bores can consider it….and NOT as proof that one is better than another.
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Posted: 5/10/2013 8:56:12 PM EDT
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Got to have more cow bell! In the form of 458. Somebody make a good vid of an SBR shooting 600s suppressed.
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Posted: 5/10/2013 10:47:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bldsmith]
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Don't know what he's shooting but here is one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Zr6xxP6vM
And another http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yyhaQUxsSE |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2013 10:57:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: boomhauer1234]
[#12]
Originally Posted By newbe:
I'm with Spooky130 on this one. I got in on the SOCOM group buy a while (long while) ago. Could'nt be happier! I bought two, friend bought one and another friend bought one. We ALL love 'em! Don't have to modify mags, easier/more reliable feeding due to a slightly tapered neck, and everything about the vast bullet selection. Having a bigger caliber does not always mean better. These .458 SOCOM's will do mega damage to anything they hit. Although I have already mentioned the better bullet selection with the .458, I can not stress this option enough. Bigger bullet selection = more versitile rifle. You can hunt almost anything with a .458 SOCOM. The .458 may be a bit more expensive, but it is definately worth it. Once you get talkin those kind of dollars, a couple hundred more (if that) is nothing if it means having a superior rifle. +1 I LOVE my 458 SOCOM 
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Posted: 5/10/2013 11:13:20 PM EDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk-I9UF2HY4
At the 2 minute mark, 10 rounds, 10.5" barrel, 600 gr subsonics, Silent Delivery Systems suppressor, Full Auto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q8GH4iAeE4 |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2013 11:19:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MartytW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk-I9UF2HY4 At the 2 minute mark, 10 rounds, 10.5" barrel, 600 gr subsonics, Silent Delivery Systems suppressor, Full Auto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q8GH4iAeE4 
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2013 11:21:11 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2013 5:16:09 PM EDT
[#16]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Zr6xxP6vM
TAC Tv shooting a Wilson Combat .458 |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2013 9:01:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rick458:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Zr6xxP6vM TAC Tv shooting a Wilson Combat .458 Nice Video. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2014 4:42:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: allensaldi]
[#18]
My .50 is a beast. This was a pretty decent sized watermelon before it erupted.
 [youtube]http://youtu.be/pFN2r9Fd4RM[/youtube] |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:41:06 PM EDT
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Nice Beowulf, I LOVE the Beowulf, I love the picture up top about "Size Matters" and then shows a .458, which is a great caliber, but leaves out the even bigger Beowulf...just seemed ironic. Anywho, when it's time for the biggest, baddest hammer in the toolbox...reach for the .50 Beowulf
. No hate mail...I agree that any of the "Big 3" are great calibers. *pew pew pew*.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2014 7:00:23 PM EDT
[#20]
458 Socom! the bottlenecked casing would theoretically be a more reliable feeding cartridge,
and Tromix has the bolt and barrel combo for three bills. 
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:22:02 PM EDT
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I shoot a 50 Beo (Stoner/Saturn) and came to this conclusion...it will rattle your cage. It was hard to decide, but I ran the ballistics through the hornady ballistics calculator for the most popular loads, and the Beowulf came out above the 458....slightly. I mean it was so close out to 200 yards it did not make much of a difference in drop, but it did in energy. With that being said I am curious about the results out of a 10.5" to 12" barrel.
It did take a little tweaking to get my Brownells mags to work perfect, but others I have used work just fine for the Beo without modification so that point is not a valid mark against the Beo. Straight wall cartridges feed fine, and extract at these energy levels with ease. The only thing I can say against the Beo is the misunderstanding that it is not above .500 inches, and could be subject to a stupid liberal ban. That, and you have to load to near max to get the brass to grab the chamber wall to prevent telescoping of the brass. Something that the 502 Thunder Saber has a problem with. And you have to keep that chamber clean to prevent telescoping of the brass. Other than that there is no reason to choose the 458 over it other than the name, or you already have a 6.8 and can use the bolt. I look at it like this, if you shoot 6.8 you should have a 458 Socom, if you have a 6.5 Grendel you should have a Beowulf. Oh yes, I brought in the old 6.8 vs 6.5 drama...bring it. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:01:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xacex:
I shoot a 50 Beo (Stoner/Saturn) and came to this conclusion...it will rattle your cage. It was hard to decide, but I ran the ballistics through the hornady ballistics calculator for the most popular loads, and the Beowulf came out above the 458....slightly. I mean it was so close out to 200 yards it did not make much of a difference in drop, but it did in energy. With that being said I am curious about the results out of a 10.5" to 12" barrel. It did take a little tweaking to get my Brownells mags to work perfect, but others I have used work just fine for the Beo without modification so that point is not a valid mark against the Beo. Straight wall cartridges feed fine, and extract at these energy levels with ease. The only thing I can say against the Beo is the misunderstanding that it is not above .500 inches, and could be subject to a stupid liberal ban. That, and you have to load to near max to get the brass to grab the chamber wall to prevent telescoping of the brass. Something that the 502 Thunder Saber has a problem with. And you have to keep that chamber clean to prevent telescoping of the brass. Other than that there is no reason to choose the 458 over it other than the name, or you already have a 6.8 and can use the bolt. I look at it like this, if you shoot 6.8 you should have a 458 Socom, if you have a 6.5 Grendel you should have a Beowulf. Oh yes, I brought in the old 6.8 vs 6.5 drama...bring it. Interdasting.... I never knew you could use a six 8 bolt for 458 socom. I got 6.8 and 458 without knowing this compatibility. I still will use my Tromix bolt though  .
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Posted: 3/15/2015 12:43:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2015 7:28:24 PM EDT
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You can use a Socom bolt with a 68. I have 2 SOCOMS and just got a 264LBC. I did not know that either. Guess I need to get a 68 and a Wulf now....
Love the big bores. Yes they are all so close it will just depend on your fancy. Buy one and hammer down. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2015 6:28:59 AM EDT
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Folks,
Going to enter into this with a link of a report on one of the first outside tests of the X-Fire bullet I make. http://458socomforums.com/index.php?topic=2481.15 It is a 220 gr copper bullet that performs pretty well and opens up like a varmint round and then some. Nick |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2019 8:58:36 AM EDT
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4 years later.
Let's update this! Why in the world would anyone not buy the 50 Beowulf? If you want a big bore, get the biggest. I see no unique cons to getting the 50 Beowulf only pros. |
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Posted: 2/5/2019 11:27:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Happy2shoot:
4 years later. Let's update this! Why in the world would anyone not buy the 50 Beowulf? If you want a big bore, get the biggest. I see no unique cons to getting the 50 Beowulf only pros. However, If I'm being brutally honest, I'd say get a .458 Socom from Tromix first. Then I would buy a 12.7x42(Aka .50 Beowulf) made by Craddock Precision. I had them make me two barrels for out of Douglas blank with a 1:14 twist with 8R rifling. I found that the factory twist of 1:20 is a bit too slow for a 9.75" Barrel like I wanted. The barrels I had made are also pistol length gas which helps a ton! The .50 Beowulf however is my personal favorite because I have other things in life that I need to make up for
Reason to not get a .50 Beowulf: - Bullet Variety - Straight Wall Case - Alexander Arms is IMPOSSIBLE to deal with or at least they used to be - Only One Suppressor Manufacturer(Bowers) .... That I am aware of .... - You're Scared Reasons to not get a .458 Socom: - It's not the biggest one - You're Scared My Avatar is Actually me running my .50 Beowulf on a Full Auto Lower |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2019 6:43:52 AM EDT
[#28]
Beowulf
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Posted: 11/15/2019 6:50:04 AM EDT
[#29]
458 for more can options
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USA
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Posted: 11/16/2019 9:31:12 PM EDT
[#30]
From what my research shows, 458 has more bullet selection. Still contemplating one of these. Just wish one had AP bullets like my 308 AR has.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2019 11:05:23 PM EDT
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/17/2019 12:30:25 AM EDT
[#32]
Headspacing on the shoulder, no need to modify mags, better suppressor selection, and a giant bullet selection with some more affordable options makes the 458 a winner for me.
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USA
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Posted: 11/17/2019 10:59:56 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Happy2shoot:
https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/Primary/109/109889.jpg?imwidth=680 Also, on the 458 SOCOM, special mags needed? |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 4:25:44 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bearcat24:
What bullet and caliber is this? Also, on the 458 SOCOM, special mags needed? |
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Posted: 11/18/2019 12:32:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rincoln]
[#35]
I use pmags with no alterations just fine. I guess YMMV.
I prefer the plastic feed lips because they don't scratch up my nickel-plated brass (I'm a reloader). |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2019 1:08:35 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rincoln:
I use pmags with no alterations just fine. I guess YMMV. I prefer the plastic feed lips because they don't scratch up my nickel-plated brass (I'm a reloader). Hex mags would be a good alternative if you're looking for something with plastic feed lips that won't require modification for certain loadings. I've a few I've ran without incident, though typically I use the Lancers since they'll fit 11 rounds (13 with their +6 extension). |
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Posted: 11/18/2019 6:29:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ-AR15: Will work fine with 458 rounds not loaded to 2.26" that have a flat tip. The spine in that mag isn't too friendly if you're using something like the Barnes TAC-TX. Hex mags would be a good alternative if you're looking for something with plastic feed lips that won't require modification for certain loadings. I've a few I've ran without incident, though typically I use the Lancers since they'll fit 11 rounds (13 with their +6 extension). |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2019 9:53:44 AM EDT
[#38]
50 Beowulf with Pmags. BUT the 458 SOCOM is on my radar!
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/15/2019 12:23:21 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bearcat24:
What bullet and caliber is this? Also, on the 458 SOCOM, special mags needed? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bearcat24:
Originally Posted By Happy2shoot:
https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/Primary/109/109889.jpg?imwidth=680 Also, on the 458 SOCOM, special mags needed? @Bearcat24 |
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Posted: 12/15/2019 10:31:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Big-Bore]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bearcat24:
What bullet and caliber is this? Also, on the 458 SOCOM, special mags needed? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bearcat24:
Originally Posted By Happy2shoot:
https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/Primary/109/109889.jpg?imwidth=680 Also, on the 458 SOCOM, special mags needed? |
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USA
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Posted: 12/16/2019 9:40:23 PM EDT
[#41]
Thanks guys. Looks like some serious hurt whatever gets hit by that bullet. Out of stock so must be popular.
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Posted: 12/29/2019 8:08:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Looking at 450B uppers now, any recommendations? Mag options other than buying 450B mags?
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Posted: 12/30/2019 4:42:18 PM EDT
[#43]
TROMIX is always a safe and good bet. Don't know about mags since I'm a .458 fanboy and wouldn't have a .450 unless the state mandated it or you gave me one.
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Posted: 12/31/2019 9:16:39 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Big-Bore:
TROMIX is always a safe and good bet. Don't know about mags since I'm a .458 fanboy and wouldn't have a .450 unless the state mandated it or you gave me one. 
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2020 6:55:53 PM EDT
[#45]
How would either do vs Brown Bear? Which one would be better suited for that task.
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Posted: 5/31/2020 8:32:36 PM EDT
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With the right bullets either would do the job. Just make sure that if you are going after something like brown bear that can bite back that your load is 100% reliable and even more importantly, that you can place your shot when the adrenaline is pumping. Back up shots mean nothing if you cannot put them where they can do the most damage. If it jams once in a while, that doesn't cut it unless you have a death wish. IMO a bottle necked cartridge is easier to make feed smoother and more reliably than a straight walled cartridge in the AR platform, but there are many .50 B that are tuned well enough that they should work. Personally, of those two, and it's no secrete, I'd choose the .458 SOCOM but to be perfectly honest, if going after dangerous game like brown bear I'd not be taking an autoloader. I'd be choosing a bolt rifle in .338 Win Mag or .375 H&H or bigger or a lever rifle in .45-70.
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AK, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2020 12:38:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sticklebackbob]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nynewgun: How would either do vs Brown Bear? Which one would be better suited for that task. There are guys up here that have used the 458 for brown bears over bait successfully. ETA Same with 450B and 50B. Check out the group AK Bear Baiting on FB. There’s plenty of pics and reports there on using the AR big bores. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2020 5:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nynewgun: How would either do vs Brown Bear? Which one would be better suited for that task. I would only use something that looked like this in either caliber. 
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Posted: 6/2/2020 2:02:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Happy2shoot: I would only use something that looked like this in either caliber. https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/Primary/160/160549.jpg?imwidth=2200 Ah Good Ole Barnes |
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