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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2008 5:17:51 PM EDT
[#1]
I order me a 458 socom with vortex flash hider and badger tactical latch from RRA, the other day they called me and said it would be 16 weeks before delivery WOW. I hate waiting.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2008 8:43:59 PM EDT
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New to the 458 deal, can i bolt a 458 upper to a basic 5.56 lower? Just like the beowulf sorta thing?
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Posted: 12/22/2008 11:04:34 PM EDT
[#3]
Originally Posted By 21Glocker:
New to the 458 deal, can i bolt a 458 upper to a basic 5.56 lower? Just like the beowulf sorta thing? yes, sure can |
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Posted: 12/22/2008 11:05:05 PM EDT
[#4]
Originally Posted By Bill28120:
I order me a 458 socom with vortex flash hider and badger tactical latch from RRA, the other day they called me and said it would be 16 weeks before delivery WOW. I hate waiting. thats what they quoted me as well, turned out to be right around 6 weeks. Here is hoping your wait is as short as mine was. |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 7:25:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: benz_004]
[#5]
I want both!
This doesn't really influence my decision in deciding on one or the other, but what kind of accuracy ya'll are getting with either your 50 beo or .458? |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2008 9:38:14 PM EDT
[#6]
I run about 1-2" at 100yds with the .50Beowulf depending on the bullet and how I am shooting on that particular day. If I want to shoot .5" groups I whip out the 6.5Grendel!!
I call it MOD: Minute of Deer, and they .50Beowulf is right on!! |
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Posted: 1/1/2009 2:03:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cold]
[#7]
Originally Posted By benz_004:
I want both! This doesn't really influence my decision in deciding on one or the other, but what kind of accuracy ya'll are getting with either your 50 beo or .458? If you are particular about accuracy like me, you can easily get the 458 SOCOM to shot .5 moa, you need to reload and use a good barrel and trigger. Proof, and there is more out there doing this every day! 
Big bores can usually do much better then the shooter usually can... |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2009 3:31:56 PM EDT
[#8]
Originally Posted By benz_004:
Sorry, no group measurements for you, but I definitely get better accuracy with my Beowulf than I am getting out of myself.
I want both! This doesn't really influence my decision in deciding on one or the other, but what kind of accuracy ya'll are getting with either your 50 beo or .458? That being said, the .458 seems to have more barrel options if you are truly trying to craft a precision rifle for use in marksmanship competitions. |
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Posted: 1/11/2009 4:06:18 PM EDT
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Bump
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2009 2:23:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: markalbob]
[#10]
I'll bite here too; what are folks considering a practical range with the Beo, Socom, or any other big-bore right now they're using if they go with light, fast bullets for deer hunting?
How far will these things shoot flat before they begin to look like a kid lobbing softballs? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2009 5:07:52 PM EDT
[#11]
That's what I'm sayin'...there are people on this thread making 700yrd claims...
With a Beo or a .458, common!!! |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 1:14:56 PM EDT
[#12]
Originally Posted By markalbob:
I'll bite here too; what are folks considering a practical range with the Beo, Socom, or any other big-bore right now they're using if they go with light, fast bullets for deer hunting? How far will these things shoot flat before they begin to look like a kid lobbing softballs? The .45-70 shot that way (lobbing softballs) and killed plenty of game and people. It's all about where you put the bullet, man... |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2009 7:55:27 PM EDT
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Yeh really, if you know what you are doing, you can shoot big bores LONG range! Hell, they used to shoot buffalo at super long range. Shot placement is key of course. I hunt with the 405gr hardcast in my .45-70 and it is a HAMMER on deer! I use the 385grRemCLHP for my .50Beowulf and it groups well too. Smacked a deer last yr with a 335gr Rainier HP. Wouldn't use the HP again for deer, maybe the FP though. The Rem is my goto bullet now for hunting. If you want to shoot something long range, it takes practice. Hell, a guy in AK shot a HUGE moose at 195yds a few yrs ago!!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2009 9:59:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ftldrben:
That's what I'm sayin'...there are people on this thread making 700yrd claims... With a Beo or a .458, common!!! Adobe Wells http://members.tripod.com/%7Epowderburns/sharps.html |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 12:03:17 AM EDT
[#15]
Originally Posted By Parrandero:
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
That's what I'm sayin'...there are people on this thread making 700yrd claims... With a Beo or a .458, common!!! Adobe Wells http://members.tripod.com/%7Epowderburns/sharps.html Parrandero, Excellent reads, thanks! |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2009 8:30:22 AM EDT
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Yeh, that was a great read!! I'll have to try long range deer hunting next yr with the .50Beo. HAHAHA!!! It makes me wonder about the 24" .50Beo though using the StrongArm Ballistics 600gr jacketed lead tip bullets. They grouped 4rds touching at 50yds when I function tested them and they have a nice round tip and rebated base. I bet they would go FAR!!! I would have to get a different rail for the scope though, to get the adjustment out that far. 500-1000yds would be a hoot!! "Holey fricking rainbow!" But like the scientists said, it only takes what, over 300fps to be deadly? Maybe it was less. Just fun stuff to know really.
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Posted: 1/26/2009 10:09:22 AM EDT
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Nice article. Now you guys know why I love my Ruger #1 in .45-70 (re barreled to 26"). On the lighter bullets, it's not that far off the .458 Win Mag in performance, which is far more power than I will ever need! Not to mention that it hurts a bit to pull the trigger, but it's still one hell of a fun cartridge.
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Posted: 3/20/2009 11:10:19 PM EDT
[#18]
Bump for ease of finding.
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USA
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Posted: 10/5/2009 10:24:52 PM EDT
[#19]
At the risk of being severly flamed I have an honest question concerning the .50 Beowulf vs. a combat shotgun.
The reason I ask is I already own a Mossberg 590A1 and would like to justify the expense of owning a Beowulf. So what is the advantage of it over a shotgun throwing out 12 Gauge Sabot Slugs 2 3/4", 7/8 Ounce, 385 Grains, at 1900 fps? Thanks, Jon |
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Posted: 10/5/2009 10:44:22 PM EDT
[#20]
Originally Posted By highrailjon:
At the risk of being severly flamed I have an honest question concerning the .50 Beowulf vs. a combat shotgun. The reason I ask is I already own a Mossberg 590A1 and would like to justify the expense of owning a Beowulf. So what is the advantage of it over a shotgun throwing out 12 Gauge Sabot Slugs 2 3/4", 7/8 Ounce, 385 Grains, at 1900 fps? Thanks, Jon Jon - Several threads covered that topic, upgrade to Team Member and you can search the threads - it is worth the investment. I will see if I can find them and add them to this reply http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=121&t=459441 |
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USA
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Posted: 10/6/2009 8:13:54 PM EDT
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Marty, Thanks for taking the time to direct me to some links to answer my question! I guess it just comes down to: as long as you have the cash, it couldn't hurt to own several different launching platforms designed to sling large chunks of lead.
 I'm in for a .50 Beowulf as soon as my .50 Desert Eagle is paid for this month. I hate I missed out on the Tromex .50 AE, though.
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CT, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2010 12:05:48 PM EDT
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A vote for 458 Socom... i think its key that it will work with unmodified AR Mags... not having to build a collection of mags incompatible with 223 reduces the cost and overall hassle factor.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2010 8:08:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
A vote for 458 Socom... i think its key that it will work with unmodified AR Mags... not having to build a collection of mags incompatible with 223 reduces the cost and overall hassle factor. where do you guys get this crap??? 
Beowulf will work with any reliable AR mag. Bring a pile over and I'll show any doubters. Even works with Pmags (and 40 rounders, and the MGI snail, and all mil-spec steel mags..). There is one round I load that has issues, and that is an half inch wide flat nose projectile. Gee, why would that be quirky to feed? And so it is officially on record, the effective cure for this round not feeding does NOT make the mags incompatible with .223. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2010 10:42:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By luecman:
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
A vote for 458 Socom... i think its key that it will work with unmodified AR Mags... not having to build a collection of mags incompatible with 223 reduces the cost and overall hassle factor. where do you guys get this crap???
Beowulf will work with any reliable AR mag. Bring a pile over and I'll show any doubters. Even works with Pmags (and 40 rounders, and the MGI snail, and all mil-spec steel mags..). There is one round I load that has issues, and that is an half inch wide flat nose projectile. Gee, why would that be quirky to feed? And so it is officially on record, the effective cure for this round not feeding does NOT make the mags incompatible with .223. 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 7.62x39, and probably a few others will not work with .223 rem...maybe thats where they got that crap. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2010 1:49:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: luecman]
[#25]
Originally Posted By Powder_Burns:
.... 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 7.62x39, and probably a few others will not work with .223 rem...maybe thats where they got that crap. This thread is about 458 socom or 50 beowulf, not any of the calibers you mentioned. The poster said of the two, he votes socom and the "key" (as the poster says) is based on false (read crap) information. Quite often when I hear people say they choose SOCOM over Beowulf it is because of the mag thing, which simply is not true. It is the most repeated issue I hear, in fact. One or more people is handing out garbage information and I do not understand it one bit. Socom has a slight edge in bullet selection if you reload, but it is much more "slight" than many will acknowledge. The only real downfall of the Beowulf's bullet selection is the lack of "real" rifle bullets. Even with my sub par pistol bullets, the wulf will shoot moa or better at 100 yds if I do my part. Bullet selection for the .50 ranges from 275 gr to 600gr and I am not counting cast bullets. And on a similar note; ooh, bullet selection.... I do not own a socom, but with the wulf 300 grains makes things just as dead as 600 grains. I would imagine that at least in that regard both are equal. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2010 9:01:29 AM EDT
[#26]
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
A vote for 458 Socom... i think its key that it will work with unmodified AR Mags... not having to build a collection of mags incompatible with 223 reduces the cost and overall hassle factor. Guess I was misinformed... apologies... Id still go 458 socom for bullet selection and the fact that it has bottle-necked brass. I don't have anything against AA and prefer 6.5G over 6.8SPC but think 458 Socom edges out the 50. Id like to build up a 458 for my LMT MRP but LMT wont facilitate things by making barrel extensions available... |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2010 12:10:56 PM EDT
[#27]
Originally Posted By luecman:
...Socom has a slight edge in bullet selection if you reload, but it is much more "slight" than many will acknowledge. The only real downfall of the Beowulf's bullet selection is the lack of "real" rifle bullets.... The way I see it the socom cartridge has the advantage in component avaliability and selection as well as in loaded ammunition. I can purchase ammo from more than 1 vendor, in a larger variety of loads including tracers and 255gr moly match loads. Its a bummer there aren't more rifle bullets avaliable in .500 dia as a consequence of its design. It seems the best bullet going would be the 375gr XPB from Barnes but I don't believe it is avaliable as loaded ammunition. It would be nice if the .50 beowulf had a TTSX but I guess you will have to make due with the Hornady 300gr FTX. Everything else in the .500" bullet line are blunt shaped pistol bullets it seems.. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/12/2010 3:21:20 AM EDT
[#28]
My .458 SOCOM upper should arrive any day from TEPPO JUTSU it will use a Spikes Reciever, and BCG, PAC-NOR 18" barrel 1/14" twist Midlength gas system, Troy TRX extreme FFHG, and YHM Phantom FH.
For now I will use my LT-104/ Prostaff 3x9x50 for optics, and will go on my Spikes lower (EGA etched)with RRA LPK, and Magpul CTR, that I assembled. I have 100 pcs of starline brass, 100 pcs of Rem 300 hps, and 20 pcs Barnes 300 tsx, 1 lb of Lil Gun, and 1 lb of RL-7. So those loud booms you will be hearing at PSC in a week or two will be ME, sighting in and doing load developement, and smiling ear to ear
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WA, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2010 1:49:19 AM EDT
[#29]
Well, I'm still playing with loads for my Beo, but accuracy doesn't seem to be an issue.
This picture is Hornady FTX's over Lil Gun, 10 shots. I'm using a Leupold CQT with a 3MOA dot, and shooting at 100 yards. The bottom leg of the T are the two sighter shots. Temp was low 80's, 30% humidity. 10-12 MPH right to left wind. 
These were shot out of a Magpul Pmag, but I've had no problems with standard follower GI mags either. I guess I'm really going to have to put a decent scope on it and see if I can really shoot a tight group. I did have another, tighter group, but switched ammo after 5 shots to hollow points and it opened it up. Before the switch I'm guessing it was .4MOA or better, since it looked like a single bullet hole through my 60 power spotting scope. Bill |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2010 3:56:58 PM EDT
[#30]
Since this thread is older...maybe someone can point me in the right direction of WHO sells 458 socom uppers today? Prefer higher end stuff.
I have 3 complete lowers sitting around here I'd like to assemble one off and try it. Thanks -JD |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2010 4:11:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Powder_Burns, the .500 class of bullets is pretty full of decent offerings these days. I don't think there is much difference now between what you can get for .458 and .500 bullets. Loaded factory ammo maybe, but the .458S when available is a bit more pricey than the .50Beo. I handload all my ammo though, so it is really irrelevant for me personally. I can get most any .500 bullet including casting my own as well as .458 bullets for my .45-70. I may get a .458S some day too, just because...
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2010 4:52:16 PM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By JDJR:
Since this thread is older...maybe someone can point me in the right direction of WHO sells 458 socom uppers today? Prefer higher end stuff. I have 3 complete lowers sitting around here I'd like to assemble one off and try it. Thanks -JD You Need Marty at Teppo Jutsu, RRA also makes them but all hands point to Marty as THE BEST I'm hoping to personally confirm that soon (insert praying hands emoticon) |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2010 8:05:13 PM EDT
[#33]
+1 on Marty. RRA is milspec stuff, not pure ar15 artistry!
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2010 8:09:15 PM EDT
[#34]
i have a .50 beo and i love it
FWIW it feeds find from un modded pmags 
other then that i got nothing to contribute to this thread :) |
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Posted: 8/18/2010 9:31:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mccray]
[#35]
Originally Posted By Fincho:
i have a .50 beo and i love it FWIW it feeds find from un modded pmags http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs220.snc3/22749_335484184668_511289668_4668536_3186955_n.jpg other then that i got nothing to contribute to this thread :) I tried to put 10 335g HPs into an unmodded Pmag and after about the 5th one the bullets start to go nose up like a pistol mag and the pmag lips start spreading. By the 9th round the feed lips were barely holding 10 percent of the case at the bottom rear. They may feed this way (I havn't tried it yet) but it sure is ugly and looks like a FTF waiting to happen at the wrong time. According to AA you need a different follower in the PMAG for the single stack of .50s and I have no idea where to get one. I see alot of people claiming 50s work fine in Pmags but I am still skeptical as to the reliability. They might work but deffinately don't feed properly. AT least not in the pmags I have. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2010 11:42:01 PM EDT
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Seems 50 Beo ammo is cheaper than 458 socom from mygoogle price searching and over at AA about $1 ea vs $1.75. Weird since Beo is proprietary and 458 is not... I am reconsidering now. Maybe 50 beo is better deal...uppers are cheaper over at alexander arms too. Hmmm
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Posted: 8/19/2010 12:53:32 AM EDT
[#37]
I like both. I own a Beowulf and have been in the Beowulf club for about 7 or 8 years now. Would I mind having a 458, no not at all, but that means another cartridge to load, get brass and projectiles for.
My wulf is shooting Sub MOA....sub moa with 1/2" projectiles. I'll take that. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2010 11:39:44 AM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By Mccray:
Originally Posted By Fincho:
i have a .50 beo and i love it FWIW it feeds find from un modded pmags http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs220.snc3/22749_335484184668_511289668_4668536_3186955_n.jpg other then that i got nothing to contribute to this thread :) I tried to put 10 335g HPs into an unmodded Pmag and after about the 5th one the bullets start to go nose up like a pistol mag and the pmag lips start spreading. By the 9th round the feed lips were barely holding 10 percent of the case at the bottom rear. They may feed this way (I havn't tried it yet) but it sure is ugly and looks like a FTF waiting to happen at the wrong time. According to AA you need a different follower in the PMAG for the single stack of .50s and I have no idea where to get one. I see alot of people claiming 50s work fine in Pmags but I am still skeptical as to the reliability. They might work but deffinately don't feed properly. AT least not in the pmags I have. I only use 2 pmags for it so YMMV both are windowed OD green Rev M. one i have recently tweeked the lips a little as the last round was not feeding the other seems to work fine the "old" pmags wound take all the rounds and they will bulge a little and the rounds will "stick up" a bit but that hasn't been a problem for me. that said its probably not a bad idea to mod the lips anyway |
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Posted: 9/23/2011 10:10:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jasonusvi]
[#39]
Has anyone tried stacking two bullets to try and get sufficient back pressure to cycle subs? Does anyone use an SBR / Suppressor combo? What suppressor?
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Posted: 9/23/2011 10:54:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DDriller]
[#40]
Why would you want to stack two bullets? The 500 and 600 grain bullets both cycle the 458 just fine as sub sonics. SBR Ammunition makes a suppressor for the SOCOM.
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Posted: 9/23/2011 11:20:12 AM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By DDriller:
Why would you want to stack two bullets? The 500 and 600 grain bullets both cycle the 458 just fine as sub sonics. SBR Ammunition makes a suppressor for the SOCOM. Thanks... I had the 450 in mind when I asked about stacking. Was previously thinking about trying a 450 and using subs through my 45 pistol can. |
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Posted: 9/24/2011 10:58:16 AM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Originally Posted By DDriller:
Why would you want to stack two bullets? The 500 and 600 grain bullets both cycle the 458 just fine as sub sonics. SBR Ammunition makes a suppressor for the SOCOM. Thanks... I had the 450 in mind when I asked about stacking. Was previously thinking about trying a 450 and using subs through my 45 pistol can. Twist rate of the 450 is not in your favor - any of the heavy bullets may not be stable and will wreak havoc on your suppressor. Similarly, if you stack two bullets, chances are the second one will behave less than desired (picture the jump it has to make from the inside the case into the barrel...) |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:06:17 PM EDT
[#43]
IMHO. Can't go wrong with a Beowulf. I am waiting for my SBR stamp to come back and then I wll have some 12" Beowulf pictures for you folks.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2011 9:51:29 PM EDT
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I like the 458 Socom, I mainly shoot subs. I have had a 16" bolt gun for about a year and a half and shot a lot of subs supressed at targets and hunting. It has twice the power as my 300 subs. Here is my recent build. I made this barrel a 9 1/2" and my next are a 11 1/2" and 16".
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Posted: 11/20/2011 1:04:48 AM EDT
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Several people have asked about this load:
Beowulf .50. 300 Grain FTX over 37.5 grains of LilGun. OAL 2.245. |
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Posted: 12/10/2011 9:35:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: spoonie]
[#46]
bwaites, do you seat those FTXs with a custom seater plug to keep from smashing the tips?
if so, where'd you get it? thanks in advance!!! |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 12/10/2011 10:08:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Originally Posted By spoonie:
bwaites, do you seat those FTXs with a custom seater plug to keep from smashing the tips? if so, where'd you get it? thanks in advance!!! I have loaded 325 ftx bullets in my 458 socom with lee and hornady dies and never had an issue smashing the flex tip . I would think the wulf would be no different. |
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Posted: 12/11/2011 2:35:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bwaites]
[#48]
Standard Redding dies. No problems.
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USA
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Posted: 12/11/2011 11:28:16 AM EDT
[#49]
Does the .458 feed better with the necked case vs. the straight wall of the Beo? Curious, as I want one of these monsters and have "heard" that the Beo is not as reliable because of this.
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Posted: 12/11/2011 12:09:34 PM EDT
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I've never had a misfeed with the Beo that wasn't related to dinged lips on the magazine. My Beo feeds consistently, without problems.
There are videos on the web of full auto Beos rocking and rolling. If they had feeding problems, it would definitely show up there! |
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