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50 Beowulf or 458 SOCOM....
passgas55  [Member]
I need the pros and cons of these 2 systems. I think anyone of these 2 systems will do good for a hog rifle in a swamp. Looks like the 50 Beowulf is a little cheaper and brass seems to be easier to get but the 458 has a wider selection of bullets. Or should I get something else.

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Spooky130  [Team Member]
The Beowulf will be cheaper. Most .458s are custom set ups versus the get-it-from Cabela's .50 Beowulf. With the .458 you might spend more but chances are you'll get exactly what you want.

With the Beowulf you'll be able to say you have a "fifty". Of course, with the .458 you can say, "no, it is only a .458, you can keep your .50 caliber ban" if the liberals get crazy and control in gov't.

The .458 is pretty neat in the fact that you can get bullets for reloading ranging from 300 grains all the way up to 600 grains. You can get them for as little as $70/500 or as high as $120/50 for the super-heavy game killers. This is all pointless if you don't reload though. Corbon is about the only company that makes factory loaded .458 SOCOM. Brass is fairly reasonable and even MidwayUSA carries it. You need to get dies from Lee or CH4D directly which isn't too big of a deal. Hell, there is even a Smith Enterprises Vortex available for the .458!

But, those are just my thoughts. And I might be a but biased since I've got a .458 and not a .50 Beowulf.

Hell, you might want to look at the Leitner-Wise .499.

Spooky
gotm4  [Team Member]
MartytW  [Member]

Originally Posted By Spooky130:
...as high as $120/50 $140/25



My most recent bullet acquisition. Got another bizarre projectile underway to me as well, as low as 200 gr .... but very different in appearance. Will post picture

GotM4 - love that pic!
passgas55  [Member]
50 Beowulf is running number 1 as of today. Hard to beat the price at Midway with the discount I get for a C&R lic(just this purchase is worth more than the cost of the 3 year lic). I will wait a month to make sure of if this is what I want.
newbe  [Member]
I'm with Spooky130 on this one. I got in on the SOCOM group buy a while (long while) ago. Could'nt be happier! I bought two, friend bought one and another friend bought one. We ALL love 'em!

Don't have to modify mags, easier/more reliable feeding due to a slightly tapered neck, and everything about the vast bullet selection.

Having a bigger caliber does not always mean better. These .458 SOCOM's will do mega damage to anything they hit. Although I have already mentioned the better bullet selection with the .458, I can not stress this option enough. Bigger bullet selection = more versitile rifle. You can hunt almost anything with a .458 SOCOM.

The .458 may be a bit more expensive, but it is definately worth it. Once you get talkin those kind of dollars, a couple hundred more (if that) is nothing if it means having a superior rifle.
eklikwhoa  [Team Member]
i have the beowulf and cant comment on the socom since i have never actually seen one more less shoot one.




midway prices are great!


i have never had to modify any of my mags for proper feeding. all that i have tried have worked fine. i have been buying factory ammo by the cases and dont feel that it was a bad decision.


i love my wulf and would recommend it to anyone. but not for the faint of heart
Banzai  [Member]
I have both.

Beowulf:
1. CorBon factory ammo in several loadings
2. Lesser initial expense, production line uppers
3. Readily available reloading components
4. Modified mags
5. Limited bullets for reloading
6. Less expensive brass
7. Limited reload recipes

SOCOM:
1. CorBon factory loads in several loadings
2. Slightly higher expense, custom built uppers
3. Readily avaliable reloading components
4. Unmodified mags
5. Dozens of bullets for reloading
6. Slightly more expensive brass
7. Extensive supply of reload recipes
8. More reliable feeding

Beowulf has the edge on cost and availability of factory loads as well as types of factory loads, as well as ease of reloading.
SOCOM has the edge on accuracy (slightly), brass life, reloading, overall flexibility, and quality.

Basically, you need to decide if you're a reloader or not. If not, no contest, Beowulf.

I would NOT trade my SOCOM for anything, though, and it's the big bore that I favor.

Tom
Spooky130  [Team Member]




And now there's a Smith Enterprises Vortex available for the .458 SOCOM!!!!

Spooky
doc-rock  [Member]
I got my 458 out to the range last weekend for its first run. Ran 40 rounds through her and I can tell right now that it is my favorite out of all else in the safe. Outside of all that has been said by everyone else, it is just fun to shoot. And I have seen many 50's at the range, but I got plenty of looks with my tapered bulleted big bore.
Cold  [Team Member]
Heres to the customization factor of the 458 SOCOM, thanks in part to the brilliance of Marty at www.teppojutsu.com its a real custom job and is not that much more then a 50 wulf, I have debated getting a 50 beowulf however, I have decided to put the money into a reloading set up to load some 600 grain sledgehammer rounds for piggies... heres my 458 SOCOM made my Marty per the 458 SOCOM GB i ran over the last 9 months....

Autobahndriver  [Member]
I prefer the .50 Beowulf for what it is...a 50 cal bore.

If you want something really inexpensive with great power in .45.....
....want to take advantage of the large number of .45 bullets available....
.... there is the .454 Casull.

The Legacy model 92 lever action in .454 Casull is sub $400.
Factory loadings are also much less expensive (60cents and up per round for .454).
...and you can shoot .45 Long Colt when you don't feel like you need so much power.
Shooting standard .45 LC you can go down to 35 cents a round.

The Gunblast site has a good review of the Model 92 in .454 Casull if you are interested.

Paco managed to push a 325gr bullet at 2221fps through this carbine with a handload!
Freedom Arms .454 Casull ammo with the 300gr JSN was pushed out at 2085fps.
...or shoot .45 Colt +P through it for up to 1800fps.

www.gunblast.com/Paco_Legacy_454.htm

Not a semi-auto AR but it compares to the SOCOM in ballistics.
IceMan_1  [Member]
Nice looking lever gun , looks to have good potential , thanks 4 posting this !
SHIVAN  [Team Member]

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:
I prefer the .50 Beowulf for what it is...a 50 cal bore.

Not a semi-auto AR but it compares to the SOCOM in ballistics.



OkieDoke.....

I mean if we want to start delving into off topic big bores....

How about the 50 Alaskan?

450gr at 2050fps.........

BTW, 454 Casull uses a .451 projectile. The 458 SOCOM uses 45-70/.458WM projectiles. Truely .458 diameter.
MartytW  [Member]

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:
I prefer the .50 Beowulf for what it is...a 50 cal bore.



If you want to get nitpicky, the Beowulf is a .500 diameter projectile. This means .500 groove diameter, which is the deeper part of the barrel. The actual bore diameter will be slightly less than .500.

The true ".50 cal" is similar to the .50 BMG, which uses a .510 bullet and groove diameter, and has an actual bore diameter of just a hair under .500.

Case in point, the ATF used to go around with a .50" diameter rod and try to insert it into "fifty cal" barrels. If it went into the barrel, the bore diameter exceeded .50 and it was deemed a DD. Considering .50 BMG rifles passed this test, the bore diameter on those has to be right at .50 if not a hair less.
Cold  [Team Member]
Gosh that Marty is a wealth of info ! neat factioid!!!!
Autobahndriver  [Member]

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:
I prefer the .50 Beowulf for what it is...a 50 cal bore.

Not a semi-auto AR but it compares to the SOCOM in ballistics.



OkieDoke.....

I mean if we want to start delving into off topic big bores....

How about the 50 Alaskan?

450gr at 2050fps.........

BTW, 454 Casull uses a .451 projectile. The 458 SOCOM uses 45-70/.458WM projectiles. Truely .458 diameter.



??? and how does the .50 Alaskan compare as a low cost alternative - not!
Simply stating you can get similar ballistics with the advantage of the large selection of .45 bullets in a very low cost platform....with low ammunition cost to boot....if cost is your concern.
The only .50 Alaskan lever guns I've seen are mucho $$$$
SHIVAN  [Team Member]

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:
I prefer the .50 Beowulf for what it is...a 50 cal bore.

Not a semi-auto AR but it compares to the SOCOM in ballistics.



OkieDoke.....

I mean if we want to start delving into off topic big bores....

How about the 50 Alaskan?

450gr at 2050fps.........

BTW, 454 Casull uses a .451 projectile. The 458 SOCOM uses 45-70/.458WM projectiles. Truely .458 diameter.



??? and how does the .50 Alaskan compare as a low cost alternative - not!
Simply stating you can get similar ballistics with the advantage of the large selection of .45 bullets in a very low cost platform....with low ammunition cost to boot....if cost is your concern.
The only .50 Alaskan lever guns I've seen are mucho $$$$



Never said it did. You quoted my entire post -- read it again.

You also offered a levergun as the alternative.

Why not just get the 444Marlin or the 45/70 or the 450 Marlin at that point? I know that just about every store I go to has 45/70 ammo......I've never seen Casull ammo. YMMV......
Autobahndriver  [Member]

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Never said it did. You quoted my entire post -- read it again.

You also offered a levergun as the alternative.

Why not just get the 444Marlin or the 45/70 or the 450 Marlin at that point? I know that just about every store I go to has 45/70 ammo......I've never seen Casull ammo. YMMV......



...wait, you quoted my post FIRST where I mentioned the .454 as a low cost alternative.
I explained that it would duplicate the ballistics and offer a large variety of bullet loadings although in a lever-gun platform.

The .454 has a short case compared to the rifle rounds - offers a few advantages for some.
SHIVAN  [Team Member]

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:
...wait, you quoted my post FIRST where I mentioned the .454 as a low cost alternative.
I explained that it would duplicate the ballistics and offer a large variety of bullet loadings although in a lever-gun platform.



No shit? Then I stated that since we were going to go OFF TOPIC, why not the 50 Alaskan?

Get it?

OFF TOPIC is OFF TOPIC......

Stay on topic and then there is no need to start comparing the cost of the 454 Casull and the 50 Alaskan, right???


Exactly.
Autobahndriver  [Member]

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:
...wait, you quoted my post FIRST where I mentioned the .454 as a low cost alternative.
I explained that it would duplicate the ballistics and offer a large variety of bullet loadings although in a lever-gun platform.



No shit? Then I stated that since we were going to go OFF TOPIC, why not the 50 Alaskan?

Get it?

OFF TOPIC is OFF TOPIC......

Stay on topic and then there is no need to start comparing the cost of the 454 Casull and the 50 Alaskan, right???


Exactly.



Topic is advantages/disadvantages and cost was mentioned. If someone is looking for a package that has similar ballistics but cost was a large priority, I offered the .454 as an option if you were willing to go to a different platform but retain the same ballistics.

My reason for posting: LOW COST OPTION WITH SAME BALLISTICS as stated in the original post. The disadvantage is having to switch platform to go to lower cost.

No need for you to rail on my suggestion. Offering alternative lower cost suggestions if you have better ones would be great.

A suggestion that has the disadvantage of switching platform while not offering another great advantage such as HALF the cost doesn't seem to make sense. (I'll take two disadvantages please?)
SHIVAN  [Team Member]

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:
...wait, you quoted my post FIRST where I mentioned the .454 as a low cost alternative.
I explained that it would duplicate the ballistics and offer a large variety of bullet loadings although in a lever-gun platform.



No shit? Then I stated that since we were going to go OFF TOPIC, why not the 50 Alaskan?

Get it?

OFF TOPIC is OFF TOPIC......

Stay on topic and then there is no need to start comparing the cost of the 454 Casull and the 50 Alaskan, right???


Exactly.



Topic is advantages/disadvantages and cost was mentioned. If someone is looking for a package that has similar ballistics but cost was a large priority, I offered the .454 as an option if you were willing to go to a different platform but retain the same ballistics.

My reason for posting: LOW COST OPTION WITH SAME BALLISTICS as stated in the original post. The disadvantage is having to switch platform to go to lower cost.

No need for you to rail on my suggestion. Offering alternative lower cost suggestions if you have better ones would be great.

A suggestion that has the disadvantage of switching platform while not offering another great advantage such as HALF the cost doesn't seem to make sense. (I'll take two disadvantages please?)



Read.


Why not just get the 444Marlin or the 45/70 or the 450 Marlin at that point? I know that just about every store I go to has 45/70 ammo......I've never seen Casull ammo. YMMV......


Marlin 1894 in 45/70. Common ammunition; low initial weapon cost.

Silly me, I thought we were in an AR Variants section. You know, gas guns?
9divdoc  [Member]

Originally Posted By passgas55:
I need the pros and cons of these 2 systems. I think anyone of these 2 systems will do good for a hog rifle in a swamp. Looks like the 50 Beowulf is a little cheaper and brass seems to be easier to get but the 458 has a wider selection of bullets. Or should I get something else.?



The LW .499 would be worth a look I am in the same boat waiting a while yet to see what
the LW advantage/disadvantage might be..

Though at the moment I am leaning towards the Wulf...
Spooky130  [Team Member]
Another reason to look at the .458...













Spooky
mousehunter  [Member]
Hey, quite dogging the poor, old, little Marlin . This last weekend, betweeen ar and ak mags, the little Marlin did a great job tenderizing my and my range buddies shoulders. I Guess I really should not have been trying to hit 2000 fps with a 450 grain pill. Someday, (probably after a lottery winning) I want to get an large bore upper, till then us poor folk got to make due with what's we got's.
racerken  [Member]
Spooky,

what kind of hand guard do you have?

Ken
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