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Originally Posted By amuroray:
I am an old schooler http://photos.imageevent.com/ms_955/ar/P7220015.JPG Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! Nice set. Like has already been said, shoot the piss out of them. |
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Originally Posted By hvacguy1:
Originally Posted By Turk308:
My MOD 1 courtesy of Kevin at http://www.highcalibersales.com/Site/MK12_MOD1.html and AJ.Brown. Almost complete sans correct sling. Pretty much "Spec" except for sling and not stamped "NAV-SPEC" on scope. Btw if anyone knows where there is a correct sling it will be greatly appreciated http://i55.tinypic.com/20k2gps.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/wbq8bc.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/2yossnm.jpg What height nightforce rings are those? I can't seem to get a straight answer on which ones will work? High |
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Originally Posted By Turk308:
Originally Posted By hvacguy1:
Originally Posted By Turk308:
My MOD 1 courtesy of Kevin at http://www.highcalibersales.com/Site/MK12_MOD1.html and AJ.Brown. Almost complete sans correct sling. Pretty much "Spec" except for sling and not stamped "NAV-SPEC" on scope. Btw if anyone knows where there is a correct sling it will be greatly appreciated http://i55.tinypic.com/20k2gps.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/wbq8bc.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/2yossnm.jpg What height nightforce rings are those? I can't seem to get a straight answer on which ones will work? High thankyou!!!!!! |
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A man fires a rifle for many years and goes to war. Afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, believing he's finished with the rifle. No matter what else he might do with his hands, love a woman, change his son's diaper; his hands remember the rifle.
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I don't know for sure, but I thought they used a spacer/shim and a crush washer.
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The thread protector is longer than the threads and hangs off the back of the muzzle break, covering the crush washer, so it may give the appearance of a peel washer? I know mine does. I'll try to get a pic up soon.
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Originally Posted By Mister_H:
I don't know for sure, but I thought they used a spacer/shim and a crush washer. That is what it looks like to me. Looks like a small peel washer then crush. |
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Originally Posted By FAB-10_Guy:
The thread protector is longer than the threads and hangs off the back of the muzzle break, covering the crush washer, so it may give the appearance of a peel washer? I know mine does. I'll try to get a pic up soon. I thought it might be that as well. However I'm not convinced. The photo clearly shows a peel washer or some sort of spacer. |
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Ok, I'm officially building a mod 1. I have followed musky jerks original thread and this one since 2009. I have no plans for a can so mine will just have a birdcage a2 similar to freefalle7s clone.
I have: BCM upper Knights ff RAS long Knights black front RAS flip up Knights 600m rear Low profile gas block Lower with two stage and a2 stock Springfield black leather m1917 sling Knights non-QD sling adapter Knights bipod adapter Harris 6-9 bipod I have no barrel :( I'm thinking of using a BCM 20" m16 barrel with the fsb removed for the time being, but it will be 20" and have one visible fsb drill hole where the gas block doesn't cover it |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Ok, I'm officially building a mod 1. I have followed musky jerks original thread and this one since 2009. I have no plans for a can so mine will just have a birdcage a2 similar to freefalle7s clone. I have: BCM upper Knights ff RAS long Knights black front RAS flip up Knights 600m rear Low profile gas block Lower with two stage and a2 stock Springfield black leather m1917 sling Knights non-QD sling adapter Knights bipod adapter Harris 6-9 bipod I have no barrel :( I'm thinking of using a BCM 20" m16 barrel with the fsb removed for the time being, but it will be 20" and have one visible fsb drill hole where the gas block doesn't cover it I just saw an 18" WOA SPR barrel in the EE for $230 or so. You've got an excellent list of parts there - why not build your Mod1 with the correct length barrel? And I honestly would use the OPS brake and collar even if you're not planning on running a can at the moment. The muzzle device is one of the most integral parts to a Mk12 and it really ties the whole build together. Just my $0.02 worth. |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Ok, I'm officially building a mod 1. I have followed musky jerks original thread and this one since 2009. I have no plans for a can so mine will just have a birdcage a2 similar to freefalle7s clone. I have: BCM upper Knights ff RAS long Knights black front RAS flip up Knights 600m rear Low profile gas block Lower with two stage and a2 stock Springfield black leather m1917 sling Knights non-QD sling adapter Knights bipod adapter Harris 6-9 bipod I have no barrel :( I'm thinking of using a BCM 20" m16 barrel with the fsb removed for the time being, but it will be 20" and have one visible fsb drill hole where the gas block doesn't cover it I just saw an 18" WOA SPR barrel in the EE for $230 or so. You've got an excellent list of parts there - why not build your Mod1 with the correct length barrel? And I honestly would use the OPS brake and collar even if you're not planning on running a can at the moment. The muzzle device is one of the most integral parts to a Mk12 and it really ties the whole build together. Just my $0.02 worth. That one is sold. Only one woa is left on the EE in 18" but its a mid length. ETA OMGMGMGOMGOMGOMGOMG BALLISTIC JUST CALLED ME BACK THEY HAVE A DOUGLASBLANK THEY ARE TURNING FOR ME INTO AN 18" SPR PROFILE THIS WEEK BECAUSE ANOTHER CUSTOMER BACKED OUT. FUCCCKKKK YEAH BITCHESSSS |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Ok, I'm officially building a mod 1. I have followed musky jerks original thread and this one since 2009. I have no plans for a can so mine will just have a birdcage a2 similar to freefalle7s clone. I have: BCM upper Knights ff RAS long Knights black front RAS flip up Knights 600m rear Low profile gas block Lower with two stage and a2 stock Springfield black leather m1917 sling Knights non-QD sling adapter Knights bipod adapter Harris 6-9 bipod I have no barrel :( I'm thinking of using a BCM 20" m16 barrel with the fsb removed for the time being, but it will be 20" and have one visible fsb drill hole where the gas block doesn't cover it I just saw an 18" WOA SPR barrel in the EE for $230 or so. You've got an excellent list of parts there - why not build your Mod1 with the correct length barrel? And I honestly would use the OPS brake and collar even if you're not planning on running a can at the moment. The muzzle device is one of the most integral parts to a Mk12 and it really ties the whole build together. Just my $0.02 worth. That one is sold. Only one woa is left on the EE in 18" but its a mid length. ETA OMGMGMGOMGOMGOMGOMG BALLISTIC JUST CALLED ME BACK THEY HAVE A DOUGLASBLANK THEY ARE TURNING FOR ME INTO AN 18" SPR PROFILE THIS WEEK BECAUSE ANOTHER CUSTOMER BACKED OUT. FUCCCKKKK YEAH BITCHESSSS Yeah fool, that's what we wanna hear! |
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When turning a Douglas blank into "an SPR 18" profile with ops Inc shelf and white oak profile" automatically means rifle length gas and threads for the FH right? Or should I call to make sure :/
To my knowledge the SPR profile is never non threaded or anything other than rifle length gas right? |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
When turning a Douglas blank into "an SPR 18" profile with ops Inc shelf and white oak profile" automatically means rifle length gas and threads for the FH right? Or should I call to make sure :/ To my knowledge the SPR profile is never non threaded or anything other than rifle length gas right? The "shelf" is a little step in the profile of the barrel where the OPS collar nestles up against; you can't slide the collar any further down the barrel. So yeah, they'll profile the step, plumb it for rifle-length gas system and set the crown and threads for the flash hider. They know what you're building. |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
When turning a Douglas blank into "an SPR 18" profile with ops Inc shelf and white oak profile" automatically means rifle length gas and threads for the FH right? Or should I call to make sure :/ To my knowledge the SPR profile is never non threaded or anything other than rifle length gas right? The "shelf" is a little step in the profile of the barrel where the OPS collar nestles up against; you can't slide the collar any further down the barrel. So yeah, they'll profile the step, plumb it for rifle-length gas system and set the crown and threads for the flash hider. They know what you're building. I'm still in awe that they had a blank they could use for my project so I'm overthinking everything |
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I'm in the process of building a Mod 0 style rifle, and have a question concerning the upper. With the sleeve on top, is it possible to use a Troy rear sight? I'm not a spec junkie, so I would prefer to use a Troy sight, but if arms is the only option then I guess I have no choice. From what I can see, it seems that there is a lip at the rear of the sleeve that fits over the sight, however I am not sure.
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I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods..
ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock |
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Originally Posted By easttxshooter:
I'm in the process of building a Mod 0 style rifle, and have a question concerning the upper. With the sleeve on top, is it possible to use a Troy rear sight? I'm not a spec junkie, so I would prefer to use a Troy sight, but if arms is the only option then I guess I have no choice. From what I can see, it seems that there is a lip at the rear of the sleeve that fits over the sight, however I am not sure. Thanks guys! i have no idea if the troy will fit, but the sleeve does indeed have a lip. |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods.. ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock I'm running a Gen II SOPMOD because of the sling socket. You can buy a mountable sling socket for the Gen I but why not just go with the Gen II in the first place? This coming from a huge SOPMOD fan so YMMV. |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods.. ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock I'm running a Gen II SOPMOD because of the sling socket. You can buy a mountable sling socket for the Gen I but why not just go with the Gen II in the first place? This coming from a huge SOPMOD fan so YMMV. I already have an extra black sopmod, so ide use that. I love the cheek weld of the sopmod over the fixed stock OF COURSE, but is it true to spec to use a sopmod? Any example photos? |
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I also use a sopmod..cheek weld is better and rifle is more compact.
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So I know this is probably going against everything the Mk12 is about, but are there any places to save on this thing? I plan to use a regular birdcage flash hider for now until I can get the ~$1100 for the brake/can. But what about other things such as the RIS, BUIS, and barrel? Any companies that make a similiar/equivalent rifle length FF RIS? Or a different barrel that offers similar accuracy but a little less?
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods.. ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock I'm running a Gen II SOPMOD because of the sling socket. You can buy a mountable sling socket for the Gen I but why not just go with the Gen II in the first place? This coming from a huge SOPMOD fan so YMMV. I already have an extra black sopmod, so ide use that. I love the cheek weld of the sopmod over the fixed stock OF COURSE, but is it true to spec to use a sopmod? Any example photos? You know, I honestly don't think I've ever seen a photo of a SOPMOD on a Mk12 downrange but somehow, it's legit and accepted. Fine by me because I wouldn't trade a SOPMOD for anything - certainly not a fixed rifle stock. |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods.. ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock I'm running a Gen II SOPMOD because of the sling socket. You can buy a mountable sling socket for the Gen I but why not just go with the Gen II in the first place? This coming from a huge SOPMOD fan so YMMV. I already have an extra black sopmod, so ide use that. I love the cheek weld of the sopmod over the fixed stock OF COURSE, but is it true to spec to use a sopmod? Any example photos? You know, I honestly don't think I've ever seen a photo of a SOPMOD on a Mk12 downrange but somehow, it's legit and accepted. Fine by me because I wouldn't trade a SOPMOD for anything - certainly not a fixed rifle stock. Something to consider: folks who have the LMT MWS in 308 seem to feel the SOPMOD stock is not ideal for this application. The release lever on the bottom seems to get accidentally depressed when shooting off sandbags or prone possition, causing the stock to telescope in and collapse from the recoil. Haven't ever heard of it in a 5.56 platform, but it seems to be quite an annoyance in the 308 platform. |
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What is the difference between the Mod 0 and the Mod 1?
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods.. ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock I'm running a Gen II SOPMOD because of the sling socket. You can buy a mountable sling socket for the Gen I but why not just go with the Gen II in the first place? This coming from a huge SOPMOD fan so YMMV. I already have an extra black sopmod, so ide use that. I love the cheek weld of the sopmod over the fixed stock OF COURSE, but is it true to spec to use a sopmod? Any example photos? You know, I honestly don't think I've ever seen a photo of a SOPMOD on a Mk12 downrange but somehow, it's legit and accepted. Fine by me because I wouldn't trade a SOPMOD for anything - certainly not a fixed rifle stock. I think the mk12 ties into the sopmod program so people accept it, i knew it was more of a civilian idea though, probably invented here on arfcom haha. Hmmm |
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Originally Posted By bottlerocket: So I know this is probably going against everything the Mk12 is about, but are there any places to save on this thing? I plan to use a regular birdcage flash hider for now until I can get the ~$1100 for the brake/can. But what about other things such as the RIS, BUIS, and barrel? Any companies that make a similiar/equivalent rifle length FF RIS? Or a different barrel that offers similar accuracy but a little less? its those parts (brake, collar, PRI tube and ARMS rail) that make it the mk12. i save a few bucks on the front site and scope. everything else is to spec. |
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5th SFGA started around 96-97 on the SPR project and then the other SOF elements joined in with there projects they were working on. Orginally stood for Special Purpose Reciever and not Rifle as it was just a match upper for the M4A1 at the time.
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Originally Posted By Cyclic240B:
I am waiting on my uppers to get back from anodizing, so I was coveting one of my NODAK "A1" lowers today... Early MOD I post versa-pod... http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31317 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31316 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31322 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31324 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31318 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31328 Beautiful! |
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Originally Posted By FAB-10_Guy: Originally Posted By Cyclic240B: I am waiting on my uppers to get back from anodizing, so I was coveting one of my NODAK "A1" lowers today... Early MOD I post versa-pod... http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31317 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31316 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31322 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31324 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31318 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=31328 Beautiful! Thanks! I had never put one of the A1 lowers on the SPR upper. I have to say that I am digging that look. Hmmmmmmm... |
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J&T distributing has kac front flip up sights in black for 169.99 if you call them, they aren't available online. That's 20$ less even with shipping than OperationParts or anywhere else.
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods.. ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock If you want "spec"; forget the sopmod or any other collapsible stock. Never came out of Crane that way. |
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Originally Posted By Turk308:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods.. ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock If you want "spec"; forget the sopmod or any other collapsible stock. Never came out of Crane that way. Yeup, that's the info I was looking for, and figured. My mk12 will hav the standard a2 and I will move my black sopmod to my other block clone |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac: Originally Posted By Turk308: Originally Posted By Mattyvac: I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods.. ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock If you want "spec"; forget the sopmod or any other collapsible stock. Never came out of Crane that way. Yeup, that's the info I was looking for, and figured. My mk12 will hav the standard a2 and I will move my black sopmod to my other block clone For what it's worth, I tried hooking my SBR lower, with SOPMOD, to my Mk12. It just didn't feel as comfortable as the A2 that I built it with. |
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What would be more appropriate; a newer mr/t 2.5-8 non illum or a three year old 3-9 mr/t illum
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac: Originally Posted By Turk308: Originally Posted By Mattyvac: I have two options for a stock. Basic A2 fixed stock, or adjustable LMT sopmod gen I. Problem is, with the sopmod, I have nowhere to mount the sling really, I would have to buy another KAC slin loop adapter for sopmods.. ETA: I want this built "to spec". Which stock is correct? I've looked for hours and have Not found any photos of the mod 1 in country with a sopmod stock If you want "spec"; forget the sopmod or any other collapsible stock. Never came out of Crane that way. Yeup, that's the info I was looking for, and figured. My mk12 will hav the standard a2 and I will move my black sopmod to my other block clone If you want "spec" then you wont be using an A2 stock either. Originally Posted By Mattyvac: What would be more appropriate; a newer mr/t 2.5-8 non illum or a three year old 3-9 mr/t illum A good idea would be to first decide what era and branch you are making. SPR's have slowly upgraded as parts became available, or something else already out there was simply more durable. Like the versa-pod change to a Harris BRM-S, or the 3-9x36 mildot illuminated M3 to the 2.5-8x36 TMR illuminated M2, or the Nightforce with NF rings for the newer Navy clones, and the use of old gray A1 lowers vs. black ones today... |
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Well I'm building a mod 1. Was a 3-9 ever used on a mod 1? I'm sure one has...
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The 3-9 MR/T was around before the MOD I so I would say it had to be used on the early ones.
What we need is Bigbore in here. He is a pretty good subject matter expert. Who has, or had?, a beautiful MOD I clone that I would have to say is the closest to a real one anybody here has owned thus far. But his was early MOD1, with a real A1 lower, and two-tone like the one I posted above. And I believe it had an 3-9 MR/T as well... ETA: Btw, settling on an MOD I, you still need to decide...early/late and army-usmc-usaf/navy seal. |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
What would be more appropriate; a newer mr/t 2.5-8 non illum or a three year old 3-9 mr/t illum I use the newer mr/t 2.5-8 non illum ..and just got a mk12 mod 1 77gr M2 turret for it..finally..different color but who cares..the rifle is painted anyways ;) |
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Originally Posted By ImpacTT:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
What would be more appropriate; a newer mr/t 2.5-8 non illum or a three year old 3-9 mr/t illum I use the newer mr/t 2.5-8 non illum ..and just got a mk12 mod 1 77gr M2 turret for it..finally..different color but who cares..the rifle is painted anyways ;) Where did you get the turrets? My barrel is being turned tomorrow and my upper is being assembled Monday! |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac: Originally Posted By ImpacTT: Originally Posted By Mattyvac: What would be more appropriate; a newer mr/t 2.5-8 non illum or a three year old 3-9 mr/t illum I use the newer mr/t 2.5-8 non illum ..and just got a mk12 mod 1 77gr M2 turret for it..finally..different color but who cares..the rifle is painted anyways ;) Where did you get the turrets? My barrel is being turned tomorrow and my upper is being assembled Monday! You call the Leupold custom shop and order them. If you say you need an "M2 calibrated for 77gr 5.56mm" you should get an SPR one. But I would double check and maybe also tell them what you are attempting to build. Their custom shop is pretty accommodating. And being in WA, I got mine in one day. |
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