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OK, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2013 10:36:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Wormydog1987]
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Off to the SPR thread. Later gents.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 4:35:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FAB-10_Guy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike:
I agree mostly. Here is where I sit. I have a '12 now. It is used often and run hard. It is something I have to bet my life on. For that reason, I wanted an "as issued" rifle. If its good enough for them, its good enough for me. I had every intention of putting the 12th model on it. The problem is, the ATF NFA branch is incompetent as fuck and is taking FAR to long to get these stamps turned around. I know, I know. Put it in and forget about it. I cant forget about it. Its a rifle I see every few days that I think "Man I need that can. Not only for looks and "clone status' but for operational use. I have an AAC can sitting here and it goes on my other duty rifle. I could build a MK12 clone that essentially looked exactly to spec except for the flash suppressor. With the suppressor on it looks like a MK12 with a different suppressor. If that doesnt count for this thread, Ill move it over to the SPR thread. No problems there. I just like to continually update this thread because its a bad ass rifle. A close clone is good enough for me. Mike Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike:
Originally Posted By cmcflex:
There will be deviations. The goal is to determine those that are unallowable. Some parts are very difficult to source, such as the Nav-Spec NF 2.5-10x24, so leeway is not only granted but probably called for. But are non-Mk12 profile barrels and AAC muzzle devices legit? I tend to think "no" because those are not Mk12 standard components. At some point, a rifle is an SPR and not a Mk12. Of course, we all fail (except for one of us) at the M16A1 lower. These are just examples, but the issue with AAC suppressors was brought up so I figured I would add fuel to the fire. Page 1 of these threads typically outlines the "gold standard," which is the list of as-issued components. Mk12s and Mk18s have virtually no variation between issued rifles compared to what we see going on with Block 1 and Block II CQBRs and M4A1s, which seem to offer the most flexibility to the end user (comparatively). I agree mostly. Here is where I sit. I have a '12 now. It is used often and run hard. It is something I have to bet my life on. For that reason, I wanted an "as issued" rifle. If its good enough for them, its good enough for me. I had every intention of putting the 12th model on it. The problem is, the ATF NFA branch is incompetent as fuck and is taking FAR to long to get these stamps turned around. I know, I know. Put it in and forget about it. I cant forget about it. Its a rifle I see every few days that I think "Man I need that can. Not only for looks and "clone status' but for operational use. I have an AAC can sitting here and it goes on my other duty rifle. I could build a MK12 clone that essentially looked exactly to spec except for the flash suppressor. With the suppressor on it looks like a MK12 with a different suppressor. If that doesnt count for this thread, Ill move it over to the SPR thread. No problems there. I just like to continually update this thread because its a bad ass rifle. A close clone is good enough for me. Mike Not knocking AAC cans. I see where you're coming from. If you want to build an SPR and put an AAC can on it, then knock yourself out. Just don't call it a Mk12. The 12th model, the muzzle brake, and the handguard are the biggest "clone" pieces to this particular rifle. Using a different component may even make it "better", but it's not a Mk12 anymore. If you can't afford a part, but are saving up for it and want something to at least make the rifle functional while you wait, then state that and rock on. I get that some parts are really hard to find. Sometimes it takes years to save up for a part, maybe even years just to find one. I get "works in progress". However, a 16" barrel with an AAC muzzle brake or flash hider just looks so wrong on this rifle, even if everything else is correct. Sorry. Don't mean to sound like a snob, but . . . . why do we even build these rifles? There are plenty generic SPRs out there with all sorts of cans on them that are "better" than the Mk12, and a lot more accurate even. That's what the SPR thread is for. But I say keep the Mk12 thread for Mk12s. It's a very specific platform with a very specific list of parts. Very little room for "interpretation".[/rant] |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 10:42:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lancecriminal86]
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The atmosphere in this thread just got waaayy stuffy for my taste. Feels like the Block II thread where guys whine because someone used a BCM SOCOM barrel instead of a Colt. And to think I was excited my paint comes in today so I could finally rattle can my Mod 0. Yeah, that's right, I called it a Mod 0.
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USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 11:58:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: cmcflex]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
The atmosphere in this thread just got waaayy stuffy for my taste. Feels like the Block II thread where guys whine because someone used a BCM SOCOM barrel instead of a Colt. And to think I was excited my paint comes in today so I could finally rattle can my Mod 0. Yeah, that's right, I called it a Mod 0. It's a CLONE thread, these details matter. Otherwise it devolves into the "AR15.com Picture Thread." You can call it what you want, but that doesn't make it true. ETA: and if you're saying the Block II thread is stuffy, then it must be a different thread than I know of. I can count on my hands feet the number of rifles in there that are honest clones. It has turned into 600+ pages of nonsense at this point. This thread is still relatively pure by comparison...for now. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 12:27:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
It's a CLONE thread, these details matter. Otherwise it devolves into the "AR15.com Picture Thread." You can call it what you want, just know that there are those who can tell you--in detail--why it isn't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
The atmosphere in this thread just got waaayy stuffy for my taste. Feels like the Block II thread where guys whine because someone used a BCM SOCOM barrel instead of a Colt. And to think I was excited my paint comes in today so I could finally rattle can my Mod 0. Yeah, that's right, I called it a Mod 0. It's a CLONE thread, these details matter. Otherwise it devolves into the "AR15.com Picture Thread." You can call it what you want, just know that there are those who can tell you--in detail--why it isn't. I can read the "spec list" just as well as they can. It's the folks that seem to take pleasure in pointing out what isn't spec and pissing in people's cereal that bugs me. Many folks, time and money willing, would like to continue working on their rifle to make it spec, me included. This thread needs more "Now all you need is a 12th Model  ", "Here's a line on the right Leupold", "original ARMS PEQ rail here!", and less "your shit's not a REAL Mk12 CLONE because you didn't spend $$$XXXX like me".
I think this "why have clone threads if not xxx?" is worthy of a separate topic in GD or AR Discussion, I think I'll start it as to no longer derail this thread. If R-Utah or New-ARGuy want to delete all my pics for "Not being Spec", so be it. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 7:01:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: I can read the "spec list" just as well as they can. It's the folks that seem to take pleasure in pointing out what isn't spec and pissing in people's cereal that bugs me. Many folks, time and money willing, would like to continue working on their rifle to make it spec, me included. This thread needs more "Now all you need is a 12th Model ", "Here's a line on the right Leupold", "original ARMS PEQ rail here!", and less "your shit's not a REAL Mk12 CLONE because you didn't spend $$$XXXX like me". I think this "why have clone threads if not xxx?" is worthy of a separate topic in GD or AR Discussion, I think I'll start it as to no longer derail this thread. If R-Utah or New-ARGuy want to delete all my pics for "Not being Spec", so be it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Originally Posted By cmcflex: Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: The atmosphere in this thread just got waaayy stuffy for my taste. Feels like the Block II thread where guys whine because someone used a BCM SOCOM barrel instead of a Colt. And to think I was excited my paint comes in today so I could finally rattle can my Mod 0. Yeah, that's right, I called it a Mod 0. It's a CLONE thread, these details matter. Otherwise it devolves into the "AR15.com Picture Thread." You can call it what you want, just know that there are those who can tell you--in detail--why it isn't. I can read the "spec list" just as well as they can. It's the folks that seem to take pleasure in pointing out what isn't spec and pissing in people's cereal that bugs me. Many folks, time and money willing, would like to continue working on their rifle to make it spec, me included. This thread needs more "Now all you need is a 12th Model ", "Here's a line on the right Leupold", "original ARMS PEQ rail here!", and less "your shit's not a REAL Mk12 CLONE because you didn't spend $$$XXXX like me". I think this "why have clone threads if not xxx?" is worthy of a separate topic in GD or AR Discussion, I think I'll start it as to no longer derail this thread. If R-Utah or New-ARGuy want to delete all my pics for "Not being Spec", so be it. And to hopefully diffuse the bullshit and get back on track...  |
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Posted: 8/21/2013 7:45:43 PM EDT
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I'll never get tired of seeing that rifle. Love that paintjob.
How did you feel about the front position of the sling when it was attached to the magpul RSA? Reason I ask is that I'm looking at how I want to run a sling for the coming season. I've temporarily stole a VTAC sling off of one of my other rifles and I'm debating about using a QD mount in roughly the same location as what you had. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 8:15:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lancecriminal86]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
I think some of you are taking this shit a little too seriously, but I do agree with the original intent of this thread. Slight variances are fine with me but when you modify what is essentially the heart of the rifle I can see where others would have an issue. And to hopefully diffuse the bullshit and get back on track... http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0683_zps2304972f.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By cmcflex:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
The atmosphere in this thread just got waaayy stuffy for my taste. Feels like the Block II thread where guys whine because someone used a BCM SOCOM barrel instead of a Colt. And to think I was excited my paint comes in today so I could finally rattle can my Mod 0. Yeah, that's right, I called it a Mod 0. It's a CLONE thread, these details matter. Otherwise it devolves into the "AR15.com Picture Thread." You can call it what you want, just know that there are those who can tell you--in detail--why it isn't. I can read the "spec list" just as well as they can. It's the folks that seem to take pleasure in pointing out what isn't spec and pissing in people's cereal that bugs me. Many folks, time and money willing, would like to continue working on their rifle to make it spec, me included. This thread needs more "Now all you need is a 12th Model ", "Here's a line on the right Leupold", "original ARMS PEQ rail here!", and less "your shit's not a REAL Mk12 CLONE because you didn't spend $$$XXXX like me".
I think this "why have clone threads if not xxx?" is worthy of a separate topic in GD or AR Discussion, I think I'll start it as to no longer derail this thread. If R-Utah or New-ARGuy want to delete all my pics for "Not being Spec", so be it. And to hopefully diffuse the bullshit and get back on track... http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0683_zps2304972f.jpg I think we all disagreed on what the heart of a Mk 12 is. That's fine and all, I'd just hate for this thread to be like the 922r importation laws with parts counts, etc. I felt the barrel length/profile, rail, ARMS #38, PRI sight, and to me a "reflex" can to keep the visual proportions correct were the core of it. I really wanted to get a 12th Model at one point, but for me the ability to use on more rifles without gunsmithing outweighed true "clone" status. So back to the sidelines for me. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 8:41:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: I'll never get tired of seeing that rifle. Love that paintjob. How did you feel about the front position of the sling when it was attached to the magpul RSA? Reason I ask is that I'm looking at how I want to run a sling for the coming season. I've temporarily stole a VTAC sling off of one of my other rifles and I'm debating about using a QD mount in roughly the same location as what you had. |
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Posted: 8/21/2013 10:02:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
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So with all the discussion regarding what's clone-worthy and what ain't, I thought I should weigh in since I'm the OP...
I think this all started when I edited my OP to include the Mod Hollands. Everybody sees the 16" barrels and figures if they add a little of this and a dash of that, it qualifies for this thread. Guys, we ALL know what parts constitute a Mk12 Mod0, Mod1, and a ModH. If somebody asks you what your rifle is, and you CAN'T flat-out say "It's a Mk12 Mod __" then it doesn't belong in this thread. As for the Hollands, it's real simple: Hollands are legitimate Mk12s. We have photos of them in the wild, we know what's on the build list, and what separates them from Mod1s and Mod0s. They may be limited in numbers, but we know for a FACT Hollands were tooled up for a 5th Group outfit. That is why I brought them into the fold. I love this thread. And I love how it's still under 300 pages even after three years of activity. I can't say the same for the Block II thread and several others, and as some have mentioned, that thread has started to deviate into an "inspired by" thread and that's not what we're doing here. Mk12s don't belong in 99% of the photo threads on ARFcom, which is why I carved out its own place. So please, for the sake of keeping this thread pure, keep it Mk12 clones only. If you've got an 18" barreled upper, by God it better have an OPS Inc. brake/collar and either a PRI Gen III tube partnered with the top rail, or a KAC free-float RAS; if you come in here with a 16" barreled upper, it better be a Mod Holland. We all understand how long these builds take, so if you're saving for a 12th can or a Leupold or NF scope, we get it. Shit, my Mk12 lacks a 12th and the proper glass but all the other boxes have been checked. I know that's going to make some of y'all salty, but that's the way it's gotta be. That doesn't mean you can't post here or that your rifles aren't shit-hot (.Y.) tits. And I particularly appreciate everyone's input in regards to custom ammo loads, etc. That's something that extends beyond Mk12-specific that we can all discuss.  |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 10:11:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: So with all the discussion regarding what's clone-worthy and what ain't, I thought I should weigh in since I'm the OP... I think this all started when I edited my OP to include the Mod Hollands. Everybody sees the 16" barrels and figures if they add a little of this and a dash of that, it qualifies for this thread. Guys, we ALL know what parts constitute a Mk12 Mod0, Mod1, and a ModH. If somebody asks you what your rifle is, and you CAN'T flat-out say "It's a Mk12 Mod __" then it doesn't belong in this thread. As for the Hollands, it's real simple: Hollands are legitimate Mk12s. We have photos of them in the wild, we know what's on the build list, and what separates them from Mod1s and Mod0s. They may be limited in numbers, but we know for a FACT Hollands were tooled up for a 5th Group outfit. That is why I brought them into the fold. I love this thread. And I love how it's still under 300 pages even after three years of activity. I can't say the same for the Block II thread and several others, and as some have mentioned, that thread has started to deviate into an "inspired by" thread and that's not what we're doing here. Mk12s don't belong in 99% of the photo threads on ARFcom, which is why I carved out its own place. So please, for the sake of keeping this thread pure, keep it Mk12 clones only. If you've got an 18" barreled upper, by God it better have an OPS Inc. brake/collar and either a PRI Gen III tube partnered with the top rail, or a KAC free-float RAS; if you come in here with a 16" barreled upper, it better be a Mod Holland. We all understand how long these builds take, so if you're saving for a 12th can or a Leupold or NF scope, we get it. Shit, my Mk12 lacks a 12th and the proper glass but all the other boxes have been checked. I know that's going to make some of y'all salty, but that's the way it's gotta be. That doesn't mean you can't post here or that your rifles aren't shit-hot (.Y.) tits. And I particularly appreciate everyone's input in regards to custom ammo loads, etc. That's something that extends beyond Mk12-specific that we can all discuss. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 10:17:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
So with all the discussion regarding what's clone-worthy and what ain't, I thought I should weigh in since I'm the OP... I think this all started when I edited my OP to include the Mod Hollands. Everybody sees the 16" barrels and figures if they add a little of this and a dash of that, it qualifies for this thread. Guys, we ALL know what parts constitute a Mk12 Mod0, Mod1, and a ModH. If somebody asks you what your rifle is, and you CAN'T flat-out say "It's a Mk12 Mod __" then it doesn't belong in this thread. As for the Hollands, it's real simple: Hollands are legitimate Mk12s. We have photos of them in the wild, we know what's on the build list, and what separates them from Mod1s and Mod0s. They may be limited in numbers, but we know for a FACT Hollands were tooled up for a 5th Group outfit. That is why I brought them into the fold. I love this thread. And I love how it's still under 300 pages even after three years of activity. I can't say the same for the Block II thread and several others, and as some have mentioned, that thread has started to deviate into an "inspired by" thread and that's not what we're doing here. Mk12s don't belong in 99% of the photo threads on ARFcom, which is why I carved out its own place. So please, for the sake of keeping this thread pure, keep it Mk12 clones only. If you've got an 18" barreled upper, by God it better have an OPS Inc. brake/collar and either a PRI Gen III tube partnered with the top rail, or a KAC free-float RAS; if you come in here with a 16" barreled upper, it better be a Mod Holland. We all understand how long these builds take, so if you're saving for a 12th can or a Leupold or NF scope, we get it. Shit, my Mk12 lacks a 12th and the proper glass but all the other boxes have been checked. I know that's going to make some of y'all salty, but that's the way it's gotta be. That doesn't mean you can't post here or that your rifles aren't shit-hot (.Y.) tits. And I particularly appreciate everyone's input in regards to custom ammo loads, etc. That's something that extends beyond Mk12-specific that we can all discuss. Spot on! |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 10:19:30 PM EDT
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So be it, let the deleting begin.
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Posted: 8/21/2013 10:19:48 PM EDT
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My name is SilentMark and my rifle is a mk12 mod1.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2013 10:31:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: So be it, let the deleting begin. Lance, I saw your rifle; it's beautiful, but I do agree with UTAH. If it's a mk12, it's a mk12. No more, no less. No hard feelings and happy shootin'. ETA: Apparently Silent started roll call, so wheelman has a mod0.  |
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Posted: 8/21/2013 11:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
So with all the discussion regarding what's clone-worthy and what ain't, I thought I should weigh in since I'm the OP... I think this all started when I edited my OP to include the Mod Hollands. Everybody sees the 16" barrels and figures if they add a little of this and a dash of that, it qualifies for this thread. Guys, we ALL know what parts constitute a Mk12 Mod0, Mod1, and a ModH. If somebody asks you what your rifle is, and you CAN'T flat-out say "It's a Mk12 Mod __" then it doesn't belong in this thread. As for the Hollands, it's real simple: Hollands are legitimate Mk12s. We have photos of them in the wild, we know what's on the build list, and what separates them from Mod1s and Mod0s. They may be limited in numbers, but we know for a FACT Hollands were tooled up for a 5th Group outfit. That is why I brought them into the fold. I love this thread. And I love how it's still under 300 pages even after three years of activity. I can't say the same for the Block II thread and several others, and as some have mentioned, that thread has started to deviate into an "inspired by" thread and that's not what we're doing here. Mk12s don't belong in 99% of the photo threads on ARFcom, which is why I carved out its own place. So please, for the sake of keeping this thread pure, keep it Mk12 clones only. If you've got an 18" barreled upper, by God it better have an OPS Inc. brake/collar and either a PRI Gen III tube partnered with the top rail, or a KAC free-float RAS; if you come in here with a 16" barreled upper, it better be a Mod Holland. We all understand how long these builds take, so if you're saving for a 12th can or a Leupold or NF scope, we get it. Shit, my Mk12 lacks a 12th and the proper glass but all the other boxes have been checked. I know that's going to make some of y'all salty, but that's the way it's gotta be. That doesn't mean you can't post here or that your rifles aren't shit-hot (.Y.) tits. And I particularly appreciate everyone's input in regards to custom ammo loads, etc. That's something that extends beyond Mk12-specific that we can all discuss. Right on! It's either a clone or not. It's not about the money spent but it is ALL about the specific parts that make up a MK12 Mod _. Seriously, what's with all this whining and sand in the clit! Geez 
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Posted: 8/21/2013 11:56:34 PM EDT
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Haha! I take full credit for this butthurt fest! I love the intensity. Im posting in here no matter what. I still have the HCS Mod 1 so I'm still legit. Fuck the ATF
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Posted: 8/22/2013 12:00:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike: Haha! I take full credit for this butthurt fest! I love the intensity. Im posting in here no matter what. I still have the HCS Mod 1 so I'm still legit. Fuck the ATF I knew I wasn't gonna be able to run you outta here. FUCK!    |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2013 12:13:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
So with all the discussion regarding what's clone-worthy and what ain't, I thought I should weigh in since I'm the OP... I think this all started when I edited my OP to include the Mod Hollands. Everybody sees the 16" barrels and figures if they add a little of this and a dash of that, it qualifies for this thread. Guys, we ALL know what parts constitute a Mk12 Mod0, Mod1, and a ModH. If somebody asks you what your rifle is, and you CAN'T flat-out say "It's a Mk12 Mod __" then it doesn't belong in this thread. As for the Hollands, it's real simple: Hollands are legitimate Mk12s. We have photos of them in the wild, we know what's on the build list, and what separates them from Mod1s and Mod0s. They may be limited in numbers, but we know for a FACT Hollands were tooled up for a 5th Group outfit. That is why I brought them into the fold. I love this thread. And I love how it's still under 300 pages even after three years of activity. I can't say the same for the Block II thread and several others, and as some have mentioned, that thread has started to deviate into an "inspired by" thread and that's not what we're doing here. Mk12s don't belong in 99% of the photo threads on ARFcom, which is why I carved out its own place. So please, for the sake of keeping this thread pure, keep it Mk12 clones only. If you've got an 18" barreled upper, by God it better have an OPS Inc. brake/collar and either a PRI Gen III tube partnered with the top rail, or a KAC free-float RAS; if you come in here with a 16" barreled upper, it better be a Mod Holland. We all understand how long these builds take, so if you're saving for a 12th can or a Leupold or NF scope, we get it. Shit, my Mk12 lacks a 12th and the proper glass but all the other boxes have been checked. I know that's going to make some of y'all salty, but that's the way it's gotta be. That doesn't mean you can't post here or that your rifles aren't shit-hot (.Y.) tits. And I particularly appreciate everyone's input in regards to custom ammo loads, etc. That's something that extends beyond Mk12-specific that we can all discuss. Wow. I could not have made this better in any way, shape or form. Props to you for an excellent post. Regarding the custom ammo loads, have you ever considered compiling all the recipes on the first page? I'd like to test out a few different Mk262 replacements. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2013 5:37:41 PM EDT
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Just finished my m4a1 clone, after my mk18 clone (where I said I was done with clones.)
Surprise! Holy Trinity here I come. MK12 Mod H it is. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 9:57:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m3racer: Just finished my m4a1 clone, after my mk18 clone (where I said I was done with clones.) Surprise! Holy Trinity here I come. MK12 Mod H it is. Hell yeah, that's the spirit!  |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2013 12:28:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
So with all the discussion regarding what's clone-worthy and what ain't, I thought I should weigh in since I'm the OP... I think this all started when I edited my OP to include the Mod Hollands. Everybody sees the 16" barrels and figures if they add a little of this and a dash of that, it qualifies for this thread. Guys, we ALL know what parts constitute a Mk12 Mod0, Mod1, and a ModH. If somebody asks you what your rifle is, and you CAN'T flat-out say "It's a Mk12 Mod __" then it doesn't belong in this thread. As for the Hollands, it's real simple: Hollands are legitimate Mk12s. We have photos of them in the wild, we know what's on the build list, and what separates them from Mod1s and Mod0s. They may be limited in numbers, but we know for a FACT Hollands were tooled up for a 5th Group outfit. That is why I brought them into the fold. I love this thread. And I love how it's still under 300 pages even after three years of activity. I can't say the same for the Block II thread and several others, and as some have mentioned, that thread has started to deviate into an "inspired by" thread and that's not what we're doing here. Mk12s don't belong in 99% of the photo threads on ARFcom, which is why I carved out its own place. So please, for the sake of keeping this thread pure, keep it Mk12 clones only. If you've got an 18" barreled upper, by God it better have an OPS Inc. brake/collar and either a PRI Gen III tube partnered with the top rail, or a KAC free-float RAS; if you come in here with a 16" barreled upper, it better be a Mod Holland. We all understand how long these builds take, so if you're saving for a 12th can or a Leupold or NF scope, we get it. Shit, my Mk12 lacks a 12th and the proper glass but all the other boxes have been checked. I know that's going to make some of y'all salty, but that's the way it's gotta be. That doesn't mean you can't post here or that your rifles aren't shit-hot (.Y.) tits. And I particularly appreciate everyone's input in regards to custom ammo loads, etc. That's something that extends beyond Mk12-specific that we can all discuss. I agree. Thank you for clarifying this. Very clearly stated what belongs here and what doesn't. My Mk12 mod 0: 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2013 1:42:30 AM EDT
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In on the MK12 legitimacy check. Same ol pics but we just closed on some land and should be able to make a good 500yd shot after some hard work. A range report soon!
IMG_1924_1 by bsbeantx, on Flickr 
IMG_1908_1 by bsbeantx, on Flickr 
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Posted: 8/23/2013 4:29:37 PM EDT
[#24]
OK, question for the masses. I am looking to buy a RMR or similar mini red dot to put on my MK12. The rifle is seriously missing the CQB aspect that I need to have on a duty rifle. The rifle is primarily for use in a designated marksmen role but there are times I would have to use it to clear halways, stairwells, rooms, etc.
The question is, do I get the "spec" arms rail for the top of the scope ring? Or do I get an offset mount so it is at a 45 degree angle to the right side of the scope? Oh and will you throw me out of this thread if I get the 45 degree mount since its not "spec'  
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Posted: 8/23/2013 4:47:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Functionally 45 degree beats the piss out of over the scope. Faster, more intuitive, good cheek weld, and no extreme convergence issues.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2013 4:47:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Highlande2]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike:
OK, question for the masses. I am looking to buy a RMR or similar mini red dot to put on my MK12. The rifle is seriously missing the CQB aspect that I need to have on a duty rifle. The rifle is primarily for use in a designated marksmen role but there are times I would have to use it to clear halways, stairwells, rooms, etc. The question is, do I get the "spec" arms rail for the top of the scope ring? Or do I get an offset mount so it is at a 45 degree angle to the right side of the scope? Oh and will you throw me out of this thread if I get the 45 degree mount since its not "spec' So I guess you decided to keep it?
I think I would go with the offset mount just my .02 cents ETA- page ownage, 
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Posted: 8/23/2013 5:10:37 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex:
Functionally 45 degree beats the piss out of over the scope. Faster, more intuitive, good cheek weld, and no extreme convergence issues. This right here. I tried using the RMR mounted to the top of the ARMS rail cap, it was so awkward that i threw in the towel until i snagged up a 45 offset mount. |
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Posted: 8/23/2013 5:24:56 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Highlande2:
So I guess you decided to keep it?
I think I would go with the offset mount just my .02 cents ETA- page ownage, <a href="http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/highlande2/media/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z408/highlande2/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Highlande2:
Originally Posted By Socomike:
OK, question for the masses. I am looking to buy a RMR or similar mini red dot to put on my MK12. The rifle is seriously missing the CQB aspect that I need to have on a duty rifle. The rifle is primarily for use in a designated marksmen role but there are times I would have to use it to clear halways, stairwells, rooms, etc. The question is, do I get the "spec" arms rail for the top of the scope ring? Or do I get an offset mount so it is at a 45 degree angle to the right side of the scope? Oh and will you throw me out of this thread if I get the 45 degree mount since its not "spec' So I guess you decided to keep it?
I think I would go with the offset mount just my .02 cents ETA- page ownage, <a href="http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/highlande2/media/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z408/highlande2/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg</a> Still undecided. Whatever I do, its going to be a MK12'like spr and will need the offset mini red dot. For now, it will be the Mod 1 and it will continue to do its duty unless I get my full asking price for it. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/23/2013 5:42:09 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Highlande2:
ETA- page ownage, <a href="http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/highlande2/media/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z408/highlande2/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg</a> It's not page ownage if you have to edit it. 
But goddamn, that beauty can call it pwnage if it wants to. 
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Posted: 8/23/2013 5:48:07 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike:
Still undecided. Whatever I do, its going to be a MK12'like spr and will need the offset mini red dot. For now, it will be the Mod 1 and it will continue to do its duty unless I get my full asking price for it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike:
Originally Posted By Highlande2:
Originally Posted By Socomike:
OK, question for the masses. I am looking to buy a RMR or similar mini red dot to put on my MK12. The rifle is seriously missing the CQB aspect that I need to have on a duty rifle. The rifle is primarily for use in a designated marksmen role but there are times I would have to use it to clear halways, stairwells, rooms, etc. The question is, do I get the "spec" arms rail for the top of the scope ring? Or do I get an offset mount so it is at a 45 degree angle to the right side of the scope? Oh and will you throw me out of this thread if I get the 45 degree mount since its not "spec' So I guess you decided to keep it?
I think I would go with the offset mount just my .02 cents ETA- page ownage, <a href="http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/highlande2/media/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z408/highlande2/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg</a> Still undecided. Whatever I do, its going to be a MK12'like spr and will need the offset mini red dot. For now, it will be the Mod 1 and it will continue to do its duty unless I get my full asking price for it. So this is how I find out my offer of a case of pabst blue ribbon, two packages of bubble gum, and an autographed picture of Rosie O'donnell was rejected. 
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Posted: 8/23/2013 7:17:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex:
So this is how I find out my offer of a case of pabst blue ribbon, two packages of bubble gum, and an autographed picture of Rosie O'donnell was rejected.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex:
Originally Posted By Socomike:
Originally Posted By Highlande2:
Originally Posted By Socomike:
OK, question for the masses. I am looking to buy a RMR or similar mini red dot to put on my MK12. The rifle is seriously missing the CQB aspect that I need to have on a duty rifle. The rifle is primarily for use in a designated marksmen role but there are times I would have to use it to clear halways, stairwells, rooms, etc. The question is, do I get the "spec" arms rail for the top of the scope ring? Or do I get an offset mount so it is at a 45 degree angle to the right side of the scope? Oh and will you throw me out of this thread if I get the 45 degree mount since its not "spec' So I guess you decided to keep it?
I think I would go with the offset mount just my .02 cents ETA- page ownage, <a href="http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/highlande2/media/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z408/highlande2/1214121205_zpsaa475fa3.jpg</a> Still undecided. Whatever I do, its going to be a MK12'like spr and will need the offset mini red dot. For now, it will be the Mod 1 and it will continue to do its duty unless I get my full asking price for it. So this is how I find out my offer of a case of pabst blue ribbon, two packages of bubble gum, and an autographed picture of Rosie O'donnell was rejected.
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Posted: 8/23/2013 7:56:57 PM EDT
[#32]
Where is your ad? I did not see anything on the EE.....
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Posted: 8/23/2013 8:59:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dule1977:
Where is your ad? I did not see anything on the EE..... Haven't gotten it in there yet. I'm me if your interested. |
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Posted: 8/23/2013 9:15:04 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike: Haven't gotten it in there yet. I'm me if your interested. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socomike: Originally Posted By dule1977: Where is your ad? I did not see anything on the EE..... Haven't gotten it in there yet. I'm me if your interested. Don't nobody got no time f'dat!
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2013 9:19:35 PM EDT
[#35]
US Collectors Ordnance (USGI) A1 stock/buffer tube/spring/buffer are going up in the EE this evening.
I miss the cheek weld so I'm sticking with a SOPMOD 
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2013 10:35:37 PM EDT
[#36]
Don't recall seeing this one here before but, there's a Mod1 in there somewhere.
 All credit to TNVC. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2013 10:53:02 PM EDT
[#37]
My I2 didn't have that blue screw with it...
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Posted: 8/23/2013 11:04:48 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Teufelhunden1: US Collectors Ordnance (USGI) A1 stock/buffer tube/spring/buffer are going up in the EE this evening. I miss the cheek weld so I'm sticking with a SOPMOD http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/DSC_0124_zps5436a29d.jpg Y'all catch that? SOPMOD > everything else.  |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2013 11:13:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wormydog1987: My I2 didn't have that blue screw with it... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wormydog1987: My I2 didn't have that blue screw with it... Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1: US Collectors Ordnance (USGI) A1 stock/buffer tube/spring/buffer are going up in the EE this evening. I miss the cheek weld so I'm sticking with a SOPMOD http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/DSC_0124_zps5436a29d.jpg Y'all catch that? SOPMOD > everything else. On a mod0, I would agree. Mod1's with A1's just seem to fit my eye better. Which is why I didn't sell mine. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 12:32:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gunnut003]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
That screw just does something for me... Originally Posted By RTUtah: Y'all catch that? SOPMOD > everything else.
On a mod0, I would agree. Mod1's with A1's just seem to fit my eye better. Which is why I didn't sell mine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By Wormydog1987:
My I2 didn't have that blue screw with it... Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1:
US Collectors Ordnance (USGI) A1 stock/buffer tube/spring/buffer are going up in the EE this evening. I miss the cheek weld so I'm sticking with a SOPMOD http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/DSC_0124_zps5436a29d.jpg Y'all catch that? SOPMOD > everything else.
On a mod0, I would agree. Mod1's with A1's just seem to fit my eye better. Which is why I didn't sell mine. Non-purists! Any purist knows that on the Mod 0 a CAR stock is the way to go,  .... .....
ETA: Also on these rifles, these UPPERS appear to be real Special Purpose UPPERS....note the M4 lowers...A2 profile |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 12:35:02 PM EDT
[#41]
I really appreciate the Type E A1 stock's ability to balance the rifle out.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/24/2013 1:30:49 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gunnut003: Non-purists! Any purist knows that on the Mod 0 a CAR stock is the way to go, .........http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/muskyjerk/Mk12223.jpg ETA: Also on these rifles, these UPPERS appear to be real Special Purpose UPPERS....note the M4 lowers...A2 profile Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gunnut003: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By Wormydog1987: My I2 didn't have that blue screw with it... Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1: US Collectors Ordnance (USGI) A1 stock/buffer tube/spring/buffer are going up in the EE this evening. I miss the cheek weld so I'm sticking with a SOPMOD http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/DSC_0124_zps5436a29d.jpg Y'all catch that? SOPMOD > everything else. On a mod0, I would agree. Mod1's with A1's just seem to fit my eye better. Which is why I didn't sell mine. Non-purists! Any purist knows that on the Mod 0 a CAR stock is the way to go, .........http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/muskyjerk/Mk12223.jpg ETA: Also on these rifles, these UPPERS appear to be real Special Purpose UPPERS....note the M4 lowers...A2 profile |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 1:55:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gunnut003]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gunnut003:
SNIP Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gunnut003:
SNIP Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Not "technically" a mk12 though. That would be an SPR/A. Still badass though. SPR/A has a KAC M4 free float rail with a 3.5-10 scope...if Wiki is to be believed the above pictured ones are SPRs
SO I guess I will be building a SPR Mk12 Mod 0 M12 Mod 1 (leupy scope) or SPR/A or SPR/B OH, I have no concrete division of the SPR variants, that is credible... 
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Posted: 8/24/2013 2:50:23 PM EDT
[#44]
Good point! Someone needs to throw a legit CAR stock on a Mod0.
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Posted: 8/24/2013 2:59:03 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Good point! Someone needs to throw a legit CAR stock on a Mod0. I can take a pic setup like that next week. It is not pleasant. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 3:07:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Good point! Someone needs to throw a legit CAR stock on a Mod0. Pretty sure someone in this thread has done it. I'm thinking it was RadOP, but I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 3:07:45 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Good point! Someone needs to throw a legit CAR stock on a Mod0. I think I have an old Bushmaster Car stock and a spare A1 lower I can put together. I will get something posted tomorrow. But for now, just an old picture... 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/24/2013 3:54:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Pretty sure someone in this thread has done it. I'm thinking it was RadOP, but I could be wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Good point! Someone needs to throw a legit CAR stock on a Mod0. Pretty sure someone in this thread has done it. I'm thinking it was RadOP, but I could be wrong. wasnt me but i do have the picture saved.
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Posted: 8/24/2013 3:55:36 PM EDT
[#49]
That's the one! I just remembered it being painted and looking a lot like yours.
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Posted: 8/24/2013 3:56:09 PM EDT
[#50]
Mblades rifle
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