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6.5 Grendel Bolt Action Rifle?
stre-tch  [Member]
Is there any news with the release of the 6.5 G to SAAMI and trademark that a bolt action rifle will start to be made in 6.5 G?


The reason I ask is this would be a real handy rifle to compete with the 6.8 spc M77 Hawkeye compact from Ruger and especially with the steel case ammo to practice with.
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MakoDefense  [Industry Partner]
Something like this would be perfect:

CZ 527 Carbine
MattM_Gilbert  [Member]
So, having cruised the Grendel board for the past 5 years, I have seen the following bolt rifle patterns re-barreled from 7.62 x 39 to 6.5 Grendel:

As Mako has posted above, 6.5G would be an excellent factory offering from CZ USA. They have the 7.62 x 39 rifle and presumably the ability to fabricate 6.5x55 barrels in house. So ... all they would need is another reamer set ? And, as long as I am dreaming, the Kevlar stock for the 527 could accommodate the Grendel bottom metal ...?
BRONZ  [Team Member]
I would deff want one.
MakoDefense  [Industry Partner]
Rebarrel is a piece of cake. I wonder about feeding 6.5 Grendel from the factory magazine on the CZ. Anyone know?
BlahBlah  [Team Member]
It feeds fine from the factory 7.62x39 magazines. I'm in the midst of rebarreling a 527 Carbine for 6.5 Grendel... and dropping it in the factory kevlar stock.
BlahBlah  [Team Member]
As a side note, a long time ago CZ ran a poll on their website asking which new caliber people would like to see offered in the 527 line of guns. If I recall correctly, the 6.5 Grendel absolutely blew away all other voting options. Like more than 75% of the vote I think.

So they're aware of the round and the potential consumerbase for a factory rifle chambered in it. I can't help but think that the SAAMI thing might just be enough to push them over the edge.

Some of us just can't wait, though.
MakoDefense  [Industry Partner]
I think it would be the perfect rifle for my kids . . .

. . . if they were able to get it away from me.
stre-tch  [Member]
Ok so I have a local gunsmith who works on bolt-rifles only for now. He has pretty decent prices and isn't opposed to me buying the parts and he assembling them. My questions are:


Where to get a barrel (what are my options for inexpensive blanks or are there per-finished ones for certain actions and what twists do I want)?


What twist?

what action - he will work on anything?

Anything I need to watchout for?

Also can you open a .223 bolt face to 7.62x39 and not have it break?

thanks
MakoDefense  [Industry Partner]
I would try to start with a 7.62x39 bolt face and a small action designed around the 7.62x39, .223, 6.8, etc. since the advantage is the ability to use a more compact action.

Alexander Arms will be the ones to give you the best recommendation for a barrel source.
LRRPF52  [Team Member]
This would make a sick little Grendel bolt gun too, since you can run way higher pressures in a bolt gun than the AR with modified 5.56 bolt.

BlahBlah  [Team Member]
SAOD and CSS both make "pre-fit" CZ 527 barrels, although both companies were using the .295 neck chamber (6.5 SAOD/.264LBC/6.5CSS). Since the trademark was released and SAAMI approved the chamber, that may change. SAOD makes the "Varmint" profile and CSS makes a drop-in for the "Carbine" barrel.

I put "pre-fit" in quotes because with the little CZ, there is no true "pre-fit" barrel. Final fitting and headspacing needs to be done by a competent gunsmith.

Or, you could also go directly to Lothar Walther, since they make both the SAOD and CSS barrels.

A bunch of custom barrel manufacturers will turn you wwhatever you want, but it'll cost you, and you might be stuck buying the reamer in addition to the barrel.
kc215  [Member]
Mossberg MVP

I saw this in the magazine the other day. Takes AR mags and there was mention of the wildcat cartridges. I would buy one in a 6.5G, but currently only in .223.
MakoDefense  [Industry Partner]

Originally Posted By kc215:
Mossberg MVP

I saw this in the magazine the other day. Takes AR mags and there was mention of the wildcat cartridges. I would buy one in a 6.5G, but currently only in .223.

The thing that I see that could be an issue is the way the bolt is designed to feed from AR magazines with the little flappy part that drops down. This could make a conversion very difficult.
stre-tch  [Member]
I still don't see why CZ doesn't get on the band wagon. It looks like there is going to be a saiga in 6.5 G it wouldn't be all that hard for them to do



I think whomever makes the first massed produced 6.5 G bolt gun will sell a ton of them if it's smooth, reliable, and accurate

JMHO
MakoDefense  [Industry Partner]
I agree, especially with the advent of inexpensive ammunition for the Grendel. Some of the big guys are very slow to respond, though, because they want proof that the market is there. They will let the smaller, more flexible companies test the market, then they will come in and take it over. The big companies tend to go away from being flexible and taking chances. I remember years ago when Remington made a big push with Rem. 700s in 6.8 Rem., and then blew them out through CDNN, etc. when they couldn't move them. This is the sort of thing they worry about - they like to stay on the safe ground.
stre-tch  [Member]
Don't remind me of the 6.8 remington close outs

I missed out on that and still am kicking myself

Remington really messed that on up. If they would have brought it out in a 16" barrel and advertised the 6.8 as a full power cartridge out of a short barrel they could have sold tons.


As I said I hope whomever brings out a bolt action 6.5 G learns from Remingtons mistake and does it right.
MakoDefense  [Industry Partner]
I got a beautiful Winchester model 70 short action featherweight youth model carbine in .243 when I was 9 years old. It was a perfectly sized little lightweight rifle for a kid. Only one I have ever seen - can't even find them online. I couldn't wait to get to the range, and then I shot the little beast. My shoulder was bruised, my cheek hurt, my nose was running, and I had a headache. I shot a few rounds and then put it away and shot my dad's .308. I shot it a couple more times, and then really never shot it until I was about 25 - figured I probably overestimated the recoil when I was 9 and 10. I touched off a shot and it was just like I remembered - my nose was running and I had a headache. Just for fun I dropped it in another stock and gave it a try - totally different rifle - no unpleasant recoil at all.

Anyway, my point is, the ideal sized hunting rifle for a kid right now is too short and too light to tame the recoil, while many of the "youth" rifles that are sold are about the same size and weight as the adault versions, just finished more cheaply or 2" shorter in barrel lenght. We can all remember being a kid struggling to balance a rifle as long as we were tall. There are not many really ideal hunting rifles for kids right now.

Kids are not the only ones who need light, compact rifles - many men and women find a compact rifle much more comfortable to shoot. Even shooters that like a full-sized rifle find a short, light carbine with little recoil handy for many purposes. How many times have you made the decision to forgo carrying a rifle when hiking, berry picking, fishing, snowmachining, whatever, only to be presented with a perfect shot on a deer or moose? If I had something like that little CZ in 6.5 Grendel, I would carry that thing everywhere. It would be the first centerfire rifle all my kids hunted with.

Hopefully someone realizes this soon and chambers this cartridge in a short carbine with an action suited the the cartridge. With the brass and steel cased ammunition now becoming as affordable as .223, a carbine like this would be a great seller as a youth rifle, especially if there was a very affordable version (it is well know that many shooters are very reluctant to by an expensive rifle in an expensive caliber for their kids or wives.)
bwaites  [Member]
Mossberg needs to take their MVP and chamber it in Grendel! That would be the perfect solution!

They are a family owned company, and they can react faster to this kind of deal than anyone. The reviews on the MVP are outstanding, and its a perfect fit!
Ken226  [Member]
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_5/333413_Lets_see_your_long_range_rifles_pics__Part_ll_.html&page=21

I just finished building my own bolt action 6.5 Grendel. I posted pics and info on page 21 of the "Lets see your long range rifles part 2" thread in the armory precision rifles forum.

I'm loving it so far, its a great shooter:

stre-tch  [Member]
Ken - any reason you went 21" over 18"?
MakoDefense  [Industry Partner]

Originally Posted By Ken226:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_5/333413_Lets_see_your_long_range_rifles_pics__Part_ll_.html&page=21

I just finished building my own bolt action 6.5 Grendel. I posted pics and info on page 21 of the "Lets see your long range rifles part 2" thread in the armory precision rifles forum.

I'm loving it so far, its a great shooter:


That is a nice looking rifle. I like the Howa action rifles. I sent you a PM.
Ken226  [Member]
I decided on 22 inches after doing alot or research on barrel harmonics and powder burn times.

With the combo of a 22 inch barrel, Remington Varmint contour, AA2250 powder and the 123 grain bullet, it was an educated guess that 22 inches would be the point where more barrel length would garner smaller returns in velocity. I'ge getting consistant 2650-2665 fps velocities with 30.0 grains of AA2520 behind a 123 amax. With fireformed 7.62x39 brass groups are around .6 moa, with factory Lapua brass groups are .3moa.
MakoDefense  [Industry Partner]
Even with cartridges like the Grendel which is very efficient in a short barrel, barrel length can still be a trade-off that you have to think about for some purposes. While a short barrel may be great for long-range shooting or sniping, if you will be hunting at long range, a little extra velocity can extend the effective range of a particular bullet on an animal. So you have to look at your needs for the weapon and make the decision about what you feel will work best for your purpose. I have a .260 Remington with a 24" barrel that I am trying to decide what length to cut it to right now.
53vortec  [Team Member]
Yanno, this is just a thought this thread caused me to have.

A local 'smith made a straight-pull .22 PPC out of an SKS that's remarkably accurate; don't see why one couldn't do the same with 6.5 Grendel.
stre-tch  [Member]
53Vortec.

Could you post some pics and descriptions of your rifle?
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