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Posted: 12/27/2012 2:34:04 PM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By ncturkey:
My daughter took her first deer with my AR-15. She took the button buck we mistook for a doe with a Federal American Eagle 50 grain Varmint Tipped ammo. The shot was 109 yards. Deer only ran 30 yards. The bullet entered the front of the shoulder and exited the other side. Took the heart out. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_11584.JPG Congrats to your daughter - she looks very happy. Not to sound like an ass or rain on your parade, but why would you use a 50 grain varmint bullet on a deer? I'm reluctant to use a 223 on deer, but have tried using 223 rounds designed for use on medium, thin skinned game, namely a 60 Grain Nosler partition. (Never did get a shot opportunity with my RRA EOP, but did succeed with a 870 12 Gauge this year with slugs.) I'm lucky enough to hunt in many parts of my state and use rifles, shotgun and muzzleloaders. I've had some rather ugly disagreements on this very thread about using a 223 at all, but after seeing the wound channels and photo success decided to research it, find the very best round I thought existed for my use and took the time to sight in and handload it up for maximum success. I guess what I'm asking is what was the thought process and decision to use a varmint bullet on a deer with such a novice hunter? (my assumption about your daughter). I'm not trying to be cofrontational or second guess what YOU choose to do but cant help but wonder why you chose that round. I've reread this thread many times and see the success of many others using what I consider less than optimal rounds, so I'm not singling you out specifically. I've been fortunate enough to take 40 or so deer and the majority were taken with a 308 diameter bullet, or 12 Ga slug or a 50 cal muzzleloader. Again congrats on your daughters success! |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:27:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SouthernGunHand]
[#2]
Barnes TTSX or TSX does the trick for me when using my AR. (55 or 62 GR)
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2013 2:32:11 AM EDT
[#3]
Originally Posted By Zoomer302:
Originally Posted By ncturkey:
My daughter took her first deer with my AR-15. She took the button buck we mistook for a doe with a Federal American Eagle 50 grain Varmint Tipped ammo. The shot was 109 yards. Deer only ran 30 yards. The bullet entered the front of the shoulder and exited the other side. Took the heart out. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_11584.JPG Congrats to your daughter - she looks very happy. Not to sound like an ass or rain on your parade, but why would you use a 50 grain varmint bullet on a deer? I'm reluctant to use a 223 on deer, but have tried using 223 rounds designed for use on medium, thin skinned game, namely a 60 Grain Nosler partition. (Never did get a shot opportunity with my RRA EOP, but did succeed with a 870 12 Gauge this year with slugs.) I'm lucky enough to hunt in many parts of my state and use rifles, shotgun and muzzleloaders. I've had some rather ugly disagreements on this very thread about using a 223 at all, but after seeing the wound channels and photo success decided to research it, find the very best round I thought existed for my use and took the time to sight in and handload it up for maximum success. I guess what I'm asking is what was the thought process and decision to use a varmint bullet on a deer with such a novice hunter? (my assumption about your daughter). I'm not trying to be cofrontational or second guess what YOU choose to do but cant help but wonder why you chose that round. I've reread this thread many times and see the success of many others using what I consider less than optimal rounds, so I'm not singling you out specifically. I've been fortunate enough to take 40 or so deer and the majority were taken with a 308 diameter bullet, or 12 Ga slug or a 50 cal muzzleloader. Again congrats on your daughters success! deer are "medium, thin-skinned game. .223 works fantastic. for meat hunters it is great because it doesnt damage as much if you put it in behind the shoulder and low, or in the neck. I grew up learning and seeing firsthand that .308 is overkill for deer... My entire family hunts with .243 and a few guys use .223, one uncle uses a .308 but shoots only in the neck |
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USA
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Posted: 1/2/2013 11:36:24 PM EDT
[#4]
Have used 60gr Federal Fusions and 55gr sp with good results.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 1:45:53 AM EDT
[#5]
Originally Posted By BigHutch: Barnes TTSX or TSX does the trick for me when using my AR. (55 or 62 GR) I used 55 gr TSX on a little doe this afternoon. Did the trick. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2013 5:10:49 PM EDT
[#6]
Has anybody used the hornady superformance match BTHP 75gr? I just back ordered some and also picked up some fusion MSR 62gr, and would like to hear if anybody as any experience with either. I believe the MSR is new so there might not be many reviews available. Thanks!
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ND, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2013 4:20:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FargoZ71]
[#7]
I took a small nub buck, probably 90-100lbs this past November on opening weekend with my RRA 1/9 16" loaded with 64 gr winchester SP's, used 3x9 leupold was only 60-70 yard shot. Effectively killed the deer +1.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 6:05:14 PM EDT
[#8]
The deer I took this year was with Federal Tactical Bonded 62 grain AKA T3.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2013 6:59:16 PM EDT
[#9]
Any more kills!?
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Posted: 7/14/2013 11:13:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jukeboxx13]
[#10]
I am going to try some .223 64 grain soft points on deer in the next couple of months.
ETA: Just bought 100 rounds of Winchester power point .223 64 gr.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:10:27 PM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By SputumBalls: Glad to see those Remington rounds work, because I took my M&P 15 out this year for the first time with no luck. I had a doe at 15yds, quartering to me when I took the shot. No blood and never found the deer. I will give it another try again next year.  Wow 15 yards and no meat? 
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TN, USA
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Posted: 7/20/2013 5:17:40 AM EDT
[#12]
I have used with great results Sierra's 63gr SP Varminter bullet over H335, can't remember charge but about 2950FPS 20" barrel.
I kept all shots within 160 yards and of the 6 deer I've taken none ran more than 25 yards making lung shots. Now if I could just find some more of them in stock somewhere. I've taken one with Sierra's 55gr BTHP gameking at 50yds but it was a head shot so I guess that doesn't count. (had to give my 3-gun rifle some field time) I have a large quanity of Hornady 75gr BTHP match I may try this year. (my service rifle may need some field time too) I cheated last year and used my AR-10 to do some heavy thumping well out past the 200yd range. (150gr HDY SST) Old Marine 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:04:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jukeboxx13]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSgt82-02: I have used with great results Sierra's 63gr SP Varminter bullet over H335, can't remember charge but about 2950FPS 20" barrel. I kept all shots within 160 yards and of the 6 deer I've taken none ran more than 25 yards making lung shots. Now if I could just find some more of them in stock somewhere. I've taken one with Sierra's 55gr BTHP gameking at 50yds but it was a head shot so I guess that doesn't count. (had to give my 3-gun rifle some field time) I have a large quanity of Hornady 75gr BTHP match I may try this year. (my service rifle may need some field time too) I cheated last year and used my AR-10 to do some heavy thumping well out past the 200yd range. (150gr HDY SST) Old Marine |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 9:15:04 PM EDT
[#14]
Anyone tried the new hog rounds from Win or Rem?
What about the Rem hypersonic? |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2013 6:27:44 AM EDT
[#15]
My state recently voted to allow any center fire rifle to be used for hunting deer ( there's also no mag limit) talking about kansas here. Not sure about all that but I'm looking forward to taking a buck with my ar this year.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 12:51:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jukeboxx13]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacDuchess: My state recently voted to allow any center fire rifle to be used for hunting deer ( there's also no mag limit) talking about kansas here. Not sure about all that but I'm looking forward to taking a buck with my ar this year.  but you will only need 1 shot.What round are you looking to use.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 12:52:41 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike103: Anyone tried the new hog rounds from Win or Rem? What about the Rem hypersonic? |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 12:26:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: flinch08]
[#18]
These groups were shot off a bench with sandbags up front, shoulder in the back. 200 yards with a 20 mph wind from behind me. Bone stock Stevens 200 with a Nikon 4-12X40. |
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Posted: 8/1/2013 9:34:35 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Do you mean Winchester powerpoint? I have some 64 gr that I'll be trying out this year. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By mike103:
Anyone tried the new hog rounds from Win or Rem? What about the Rem hypersonic? No the Winchester Razorback or the Remington Hog Hammer. Both 62 grain. |
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Posted: 8/2/2013 1:36:56 AM EDT
[#20]
Going on my first deer hunt this fall and I'm planning on using one of my AR's. I'm gonna try and pick up some of the Federal Fusion rounds to test in the mean time.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/6/2013 11:29:04 AM EDT
[#21]
I have handloaded some rounds for my 6920 that I intend to use this season on deer and hogs. The recipe used is LC Brass, Remington small rifle primer, 24.0 grains of IMR 4064, and 60 grain Nosler partition. Will post photos of kills if made.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 8/12/2013 12:16:09 AM EDT
[#22]
Considering 55rn HPs will kill the hell out humans in the 200# range, I've gone against conventional wisdom concerning 556 hunting bullet weights and I just shoot 55HPs. Now I admit I've only shot a few animals so not a lot of data points,. In TX: white tails, axis, blackbuck, fallow, and boar.
All the deer were head and heart shots, about half of each. Two of the boar were shot on the run and broke their pelvises cleanly. Otherwise head shots. None of the animals hit in the heart or pelvis made it more than about 20 feet max. For anything human sized or smaller I'll just shoot a good human killing round. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/13/2013 9:13:54 AM EDT
[#23]
Federal 60g
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Posted: 8/29/2013 8:51:34 PM EDT
[#24]
Gonna try some 65gr Sierra GameKings this year. Just need to find some powder!
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Posted: 9/3/2013 9:47:40 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _RAGNAR_: Considering 55rn HPs will kill the hell out humans in the 200# range, I've gone against conventional wisdom concerning 556 hunting bullet weights and I just shoot 55HPs. Now I admit I've only shot a few animals so not a lot of data points,. In TX: white tails, axis, blackbuck, fallow, and boar. All the deer were head and heart shots, about half of each. Two of the boar were shot on the run and broke their pelvises cleanly. Otherwise head shots. None of the animals hit in the heart or pelvis made it more than about 20 feet max. For anything human sized or smaller I'll just shoot a good human killing round. |
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Posted: 10/12/2013 8:07:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sylvan]
[#26]
62 Grain TSX dropped two 100 pound does today.
Spine shots. DRT (dropped right there, both took another shot to the neck to kill them) Factory Hog Hammer Rounds. Only factory Barnes rounds I could find. 
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Posted: 10/17/2013 1:48:55 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sylvan:
62 Grain TSX dropped two 100 pound does today. Spine shots. DRT (dropped right there, both took another shot to the neck to kill them) Factory Hog Hammer Rounds. Only factory Barnes rounds I could find. http://images.monstermarketplace.com/tactical-equipment-and-supply/remington-hog-hammer-223rem-62gr-tsx-20-400x250.jpg For those that reload, this recipe is a winner: 62gr Barnes TSX 25.0gr RL-15 Wolf Small Rifle primer LC brass |
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Posted: 10/17/2013 3:25:53 PM EDT
[#28]
Next deer I shoot will be with this...
64gr Nosler BSB with 25.0gr TAC behind it. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2013 5:06:13 AM EDT
[#29]
Not much to choose from these days... planning on just using some .223 55gr federal soft points this year since that was all my local fleet farm had in stock (well, it was either 55gr federal soft points or 55gr winchester soft points). Took my AR out last year to try, but haven't had a chance to field test it. Saw a doe, but i had to let it walk due to not being able to get a clean shot.
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USA
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Posted: 11/6/2013 12:14:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Picked up some hornady 55gr sp, and 55gr v-max, and also a box of fusion 62gr sp. headed to the range this weekend to pattern the loads and decide which to choose. I will do my comparisons at 109 yes using my 4x acog. The best load will then be fired at 25, 50 and 75 yards so I have an idea of holds for those ranges. I'm excited as hell for rifle season to start!
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MI, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2013 8:56:54 AM EDT
[#31]
I thought I read here last year Vmax was not the way to go on deer.
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USA
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Posted: 11/7/2013 9:47:13 AM EDT
[#32]
Yup, I just read through the thread, I'm gonna save the zmax ammo, which I just a green tipped vmax, for coyote. Gonna pattern the 55gr sp and 62 gr sp at the range is weekend
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2013 10:01:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: superduc21]
[#33]
Got my first on a reload the other day. 150lb deer, shot in the neck facing me, went out the side of the neck taking out spine and carotid, found bullet in right shoulder. Sierra game king 55gr sbt in front of 24.5 h335. 2.25 col.
As requested before photo 
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USA
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Posted: 11/7/2013 6:46:27 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By superduc21:
Got my first on a reload the other day. 150lb deer, shot in the neck facing me, went out the side of the neck taking out spine and carotid, found bullet in right shoulder. Sierra game king 55gr sbt in front of 24.5 h335. 2.25 col. <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/user/superduc21/media/image_zps7b8ceef9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p83/superduc21/image_zps7b8ceef9.jpg</a> <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/user/superduc21/media/image_zpsfdf34913.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p83/superduc21/image_zpsfdf34913.jpg</a> You have any before photos? |
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USA
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Posted: 11/10/2013 1:34:51 AM EDT
[#35]
Both the 62 gr fusion sp, and the 55 gr hornady sp grouped really well out of my 16" bushy 1/9 twist, so I decided I will hunt with the fusion ammo. Had to re sight in my acog, both ammo were impacting 4 inches low at 100 meters, when compared to the 55gr PCM bronze fmj i had the acog initially dialed in for. Excited for this season. If its brown it's down! Gotta bust the cherry on this rifle
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USA
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Posted: 11/10/2013 1:36:35 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By superduc21:
Got my first on a reload the other day. 150lb deer, shot in the neck facing me, went out the side of the neck taking out spine and carotid, found bullet in right shoulder. Sierra game king 55gr sbt in front of 24.5 h335. 2.25 col. As requested before photo <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/user/superduc21/media/image_zps224e4402.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p83/superduc21/image_zps224e4402.jpg</a> <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/user/superduc21/media/image_zps7b8ceef9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p83/superduc21/image_zps7b8ceef9.jpg</a> <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/user/superduc21/media/image_zpsfdf34913.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p83/superduc21/image_zpsfdf34913.jpg</a> Thanks! Those look quite long or 55 gr. a lot more lead tip exposed compared to the fusion soft points I I'll be using |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/17/2013 9:38:48 AM EDT
[#37]
While I just bought some 70 Barnes TSX and plan on ordering some Barnes TTSX in 62 grains, I haven't worked up a load yet for either one.
I'm hunting next Saturday with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5ZnQmKy2o The best video that I have seen on the Federal Fusion / MSR Fusion. I'm more concerned about a nice shot through the shoulder or a double lung shot and how that will perform vs a spinal shot of some type. Any 55 fmj (not legal in my area) would put down the animal with a neck of spinal column shot. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 1:58:34 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clay34:
While I just bought some 70 Barnes TSX and plan on ordering some Barnes TTSX in 62 grains, I haven't worked up a load yet for either one. I'm hunting next Saturday with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5ZnQmKy2o The best video that I have seen on the Federal Fusion / MSR Fusion. I'm more concerned about a nice shot through the shoulder or a double lung shot and how that will perform vs a spinal shot of some type. Any 55 fmj (not legal in my area) would put down the animal with a neck of spinal column shot. Wow he doesn't like the Fusions! |
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USA
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Posted: 11/17/2013 8:25:05 PM EDT
[#39]
I watched the guys fusion test and Barnes tax test. I was definetly more impressed with the devastation on the gel that the fusion left behind, but was surprised with the penetration and beautiful petal of the tsx rounds
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Posted: 11/21/2013 10:14:30 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sylvan: 62 Grain TSX dropped two 100 pound does today. Spine shots. DRT (dropped right there, both took another shot to the neck to kill them) Factory Hog Hammer Rounds. Only factory Barnes rounds I could find. http://images.monstermarketplace.com/tactical-equipment-and-supply/remington-hog-hammer-223rem-62gr-tsx-20-400x250.jpg |
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Posted: 11/21/2013 4:55:38 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BamaInArk:
Wow he doesn't like the Fusions! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BamaInArk:
Originally Posted By Clay34:
While I just bought some 70 Barnes TSX and plan on ordering some Barnes TTSX in 62 grains, I haven't worked up a load yet for either one. I'm hunting next Saturday with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5ZnQmKy2o The best video that I have seen on the Federal Fusion / MSR Fusion. I'm more concerned about a nice shot through the shoulder or a double lung shot and how that will perform vs a spinal shot of some type. Any 55 fmj (not legal in my area) would put down the animal with a neck of spinal column shot. Wow he doesn't like the Fusions! I didn't get that from the video at all. He seemed disappointed at the penetration, as was I after watching the video. |
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Posted: 11/21/2013 5:05:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BamaInArk]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By konger:
I didn't get that from the video at all. He seemed disappointed at the penetration, as was I after watching the video. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By konger:
Originally Posted By BamaInArk:
Originally Posted By Clay34:
While I just bought some 70 Barnes TSX and plan on ordering some Barnes TTSX in 62 grains, I haven't worked up a load yet for either one. I'm hunting next Saturday with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5ZnQmKy2o The best video that I have seen on the Federal Fusion / MSR Fusion. I'm more concerned about a nice shot through the shoulder or a double lung shot and how that will perform vs a spinal shot of some type. Any 55 fmj (not legal in my area) would put down the animal with a neck of spinal column shot. Wow he doesn't like the Fusions! I didn't get that from the video at all. He seemed disappointed at the penetration, as was I after watching the video. Read his comments further down. He was pretty direct about it. Actually after rereading his comment he's probably talking about the Extreme Shock ammo from the comment above his. That comment compared it to Extreme Shock |
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Posted: 11/22/2013 12:01:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: number9XD]
[#43]
62gr Fusion out of 16" BCM Middy proved itself to me this season. Check my two "VERY proud Daddy" threads for pics and details.
My boys took two bucks with the Fusion, one dropped in his tracks and the other BIG buck made it about 10-15'. Butcher found the bullet out of the big one (i had forgot about it). I'll try and get a pic up soon. ETA - bullet pics. This is the bullet out of the big deer. Busted his right shoulder and still hammered his vitals. Range was 65-75yd. 
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Posted: 11/25/2013 11:15:04 AM EDT
[#44]
This thread has been incredibly helpful to a new hunter looking to purchase his first rifle! The first hand information here is priceless, as always Arfcom delivers.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2013 2:05:30 PM EDT
[#45]
2013 Buck. Barnes TSX 55 gr .223 Shot was thru the front of the neck, just under the scope in the picture. The buck was walking towards me. The bullet was found in the base of the neck/shoulder. 75yrd shot. Deer dropped in it's tracks. |
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Posted: 11/30/2013 5:14:02 PM EDT
[#46]
There are a plethora of good bullets available finally.
Just 5 years ago, there was the Winchester 64gr PP or you had to load your own with the Sierra 65gr GK. Those were about your only bullet choices. |
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Posted: 11/30/2013 10:43:41 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: There are a plethora of good bullets available finally. Just 5 years ago, there was the Winchester 64gr PP or you had to load your own with the Sierra 65gr GK. Those were about your only bullet choices. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 12/2/2013 1:35:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gtgeorge]
[#48]
Thanks to all the great info in this thread. I wanted to use my AR in 5.56 to hunt with this year which led me down a troubled path. I was convinced the 70gr TSX was what I needed at a minimum so I tried those and they just would not shoot straight through my 1:8 twist no matter what powder or speed to which I lost a hog and a buck with no blood trails and hours of searching for each. I then shot at a doe at 10 yards using a red dot that did not work well in low light as all I could see was the red dot.
I backed up and found some Hornady 60gr soft points for cheap as blems and they dialed in to sub MOA and installed a scope. With the TSX it was hard to do any range time as the 50 count box disappeared quickly at $30+ These were $18 for 200 and I was doing head shots on squirrels out to 100 yards until I finally got my chance Thanksgiving morning. Not trusting the round yet I went for a head shot on a 100# deer at 70 yards and saw it run off I thought about 20 feet by a tree. So I figured I missed and went for low well behind the shoulder and she went down. I saw a buck running across afield out @ 200+ yards and grunted trying to stop him with no luck but saw another one at about 90 and took the lung shot. It ran forward 20 yards and disappeared. After climbing down it turns out the head shot was perfect and there was a second deer I had not seen yet. # deer ranging 100-150# was just incredible. The only round that did not pass through was in the largest doe on the inside the skin under the opposite leg. Recovered weight was 51gr of the 60 and averaged out to a 50 cal with the diameter range .464-.529 
Then went out on Friday and got a doe running through the woods at 149 yards with a shoulder shot. 4 deer in 2 days proved the .556 has what it takes and you don't need the biggest baddest bullet. Instead a very accurate load works best in my case. Thanks again for everyone's posts here that kept me working on it. |
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Posted: 12/3/2013 1:24:19 AM EDT
[#49]
I came here to post about my experience with the Winchester 64 gr. PP today. I used a 14.5 " upper with an Aimpoint 4 MOA Micro. Heavy bodied 8 pt buck, full penetration found under the skin on the opposite side. I shot it from about 70 yds. He ran about 20 yds and fell dead. Both lungs and heart, placement is key.
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Posted: 12/3/2013 2:16:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jukeboxx13]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AB5996: I came here to post about my experience with the Winchester 64 gr. PP today. I used a 14.5 " upper with an Aimpoint 4 MOA Micro. Heavy bodied 8 pt buck, full penetration found under the skin on the opposite side. I shot it from about 70 yds. He ran about 20 yds and fell dead. Both lungs and heart, placement is key. http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee203/ab5996/Arfcom/0FA776B5-3D70-4F15-897D-556725960F35.jpg http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee203/ab5996/Arfcom/89717D33-5D5D-4AC3-9BDC-A111631D650E_2.jpg http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee203/ab5996/Arfcom/AB7A5BC7-875D-4702-AD59-60C5CD385228.jpg I have some Winchester 64 PP as well, and did you hold dead on at 70 with your Micro?
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