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Posted: 4/23/2015 3:26:31 AM EDT
While living in the barracks, one of my biggest pet peeves was having my personal rifle in the arms room.  I never once was able to fire it the entire time I had it with me at drum.
I have a dream of solving that.
My dream is to have a gun range close to an active duty base (probably campbell) with on sight weapon storage where for a monthly fee; say, $10-20, a soldier (or civilian if they really wanted to) could store weapons.  Not sure if this is legally feasible, or how it would work

I would probably work with the mp's to ensure every weapon was registered on base

My three ideas are this
1.  Have a large vault with lockers inside, and each person gets a locker

2.  Have multiple high class gun safes  

3.  The vault idea, except I retrieve and store the weapons, and it's set up with weapon racks rather than lockers.

I'd probably have rifle range up to or exceeding 300m, pistol range to 75m, shotgun range with traps in a sandpit so you could destroy stuff i.e. an old laptop that frustrated the hell out of you, and a mil-spec pop up range so soldiers could practice their marksmanship-that would probably cost a per use premium.
I would also probably rent class 3 weapons out eventually.

Ideas? comments? information?
Link Posted: 4/23/2015 3:40:18 AM EDT
[#1]
If the storage place has access to the lockers they will need to log them into a bound book. I suspect that if they don't have access they wouldn't need an FFL. I don't know if it's been addressed.
Link Posted: 4/23/2015 5:53:44 AM EDT
[#2]
I plan on doing so, and applying for an ffl.  I plan to sell ammo at the range as well, obviously.
Link Posted: 4/23/2015 6:02:14 AM EDT
[#3]
I think I'd probably have a pop-up range set up to mil spec as well so soldiers could practice their marksmanship.
Link Posted: 4/23/2015 9:57:48 AM EDT
[#4]
You're looking at $1,000,000 at the bare minimum.
Link Posted: 4/23/2015 10:01:02 AM EDT
[#5]
If you're talking fees/insurance, then I guess that's why noone's done it before.  If you're talking building costs, then I'm sure you're wrong.

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Link Posted: 4/23/2015 10:21:49 AM EDT
[#6]
I wish the OP good fortune but encourage caution.


Most all aspects of the firearms business are risky and difficult above the general pitfalls of trying to start any business .

Most folks entertaining the thought of starting a firearms business are by definition "gun nuts" . Just because you or I don't blink at spending
a certain percentage of our discretionary income for our love of firearms doesn't mean that firearms are really all that important to the general public .

To most people firearms and shooting are nothing but a hobby and when the economy is tough that money is spent elsewhere.

Creating a new range facility is very costly and has a laundry list of expensive potential problems.

Anyone who has the ability to raise money or credit to properly start and run such a business might find less risk and greater potential profit with any number of different businesses.

Knowing guns is one thing , knowing the gun business is something quite different
Link Posted: 4/23/2015 11:17:29 AM EDT
[#7]
I used to run an armory on a military installation. One of the main things I would see as a positive to storing it on base is 24/7 access (at least at a base of decent size). With storing it at a private location, you'd be at the mercy of their business hours. What system did the armory have set up, that you weren't able to have access to your weapon?
Link Posted: 4/23/2015 11:48:36 AM EDT
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You haven't priced building a range.  If you go indoor, I'm not sure a million will cover it.  The latest indoor range built in my area was $4,000,000.  A nice but hardly palatial set up.  Out door range you need to find land.  Lots of land.  And it won't be just outside an Army base.  That land is pretty well taken.
Link Posted: 4/23/2015 3:40:02 PM EDT
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You haven't priced building a range.  If you go indoor, I'm not sure a million will cover it.  The latest indoor range built in my area was $4,000,000.  A nice but hardly palatial set up.  Out door range you need to find land.  Lots of land.  And it won't be just outside an Army base.  That land is pretty well taken.
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You haven't priced building a range.  If you go indoor, I'm not sure a million will cover it.  The latest indoor range built in my area was $4,000,000.  A nice but hardly palatial set up.  Out door range you need to find land.  Lots of land.  And it won't be just outside an Army base.  That land is pretty well taken.


I am definitely planning on having it outdoors; you are right on the land pricing and availability, but my plan was to be between 20-40 miles from one of the primary gates.  This would expand my options for buying land, and ensure I could pick a spot that wasn't being expanded into.  That 1m price figure is based on an indoor range.

Link Posted: 4/23/2015 4:07:56 PM EDT
[#10]
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I wish the OP good fortune but encourage caution.


Most all aspects of the firearms business are risky and difficult above the general pitfalls of trying to start any business .

Most folks entertaining the thought of starting a firearms business are by definition "gun nuts" . Just because you or I don't blink at spending
a certain percentage of our discretionary income for our love of firearms doesn't mean that firearms are really all that important to the general public .

To most people firearms and shooting are nothing but a hobby and when the economy is tough that money is spent elsewhere.

Creating a new range facility is very costly and has a laundry list of expensive potential problems.

Anyone who has the ability to raise money or credit to properly start and run such a business might find less risk and greater potential profit with any number of different businesses.

Knowing guns is one thing , knowing the gun business is something quite different
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See, I would mostly be catering to active duty soldiers, specifically barracks soldiers.  Recession hardly even touches active duty.  And I do plan on doing a lot of research.
Also, military-especially combat arms-tend to be a hell of a lot more passionate about the 2nd amendment rights, and about guns in general because

1.  Your life depends on how well you know your rifle

2.  You're putting your life at risk to defend these rights, why shouldn't you be passionate about them?
Link Posted: 4/23/2015 11:03:49 PM EDT
[#11]
I was active duty from 2000 to 2004. I would guess about 30% of us in the barracks had POVs. So 70% of us had to coordinate somehow to get off base and the further from base the more coordination that was required. Doing something to accommodate soldiers who don't want to keep their personal weapons in the arms room is nice, centering your business around that concept probably won't get you far.
Link Posted: 4/24/2015 12:20:20 AM EDT
[#12]
I'll probably get a feel for how well it would work, maybe take a poll.  If I'm going to get investors or even for a business loan, that would probably help.  A lot.  Obviously, this is atleast 5 years in the future, perhaps a decade.
Link Posted: 4/25/2015 8:23:18 AM EDT
[#13]
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While living in the barracks, one of my biggest pet peeves was having my personal rifle in the arms room.  I never once was able to fire it the entire time I had it with me at drum.
I have a dream of solving that.
My dream is to have a gun range close to an active duty base (probably campbell) with on sight weapon storage where for a monthly fee; say, $10-20, a soldier (or civilian if they really wanted to) could store weapons.  Not sure if this is legally feasible, or how it would work

I would probably work with the mp's to ensure every weapon was registered on base

My three ideas are this
1.  Have a large vault with lockers inside, and each person gets a locker

2.  Have multiple high class gun safes  

3.  The vault idea, except I retrieve and store the weapons, and it's set up with weapon racks rather than lockers.

It could be done, but you would need a FFL for starters just to store the firearms. This concept (other than gun storage) exists at Ft Bragg (Jim's and Guns plus), both are indoor. Both stores overcharge for everything. Zoning and safety/EPA/insurance requirements alone are enough to give you a nosebleed.When i lived in the barracks (at Campbell) I kept my guns at my boss's house, in my safe in his garage (except the handguns I kept hid in my team room lol). Also Campbell isn't that large of a post in terms of personnel, which would be your client base. When I was there (1990s) I shot at my friend's property in Sango or at a old gravel pit in Woodlawn.

I'd probably have rifle range up to or exceeding 300m, pistol range to 75m, shotgun range with traps in a sandpit so you could destroy stuff i.e. an old laptop that frustrated the hell out of you, and a mil-spec pop up range so soldiers could practice their marksmanship-that would probably cost a per use premium.
I would also probably rent class 3 weapons out eventually.

Ideas? comments? information?
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Link Posted: 4/25/2015 8:26:14 AM EDT
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While living in the barracks, one of my biggest pet peeves was having my personal rifle in the arms room.  I never once was able to fire it the entire time I had it with me at drum.
I have a dream of solving that.
My dream is to have a gun range close to an active duty base (probably campbell) with on sight weapon storage where for a monthly fee; say, $10-20, a soldier (or civilian if they really wanted to) could store weapons.  Not sure if this is legally feasible, or how it would work

I would probably work with the mp's to ensure every weapon was registered on base

My three ideas are this
1.  Have a large vault with lockers inside, and each person gets a locker

2.  Have multiple high class gun safes  

3.  The vault idea, except I retrieve and store the weapons, and it's set up with weapon racks rather than lockers.

It could be done, but you would need a FFL for starters just to store the firearms. This concept (other than gun storage) exists at Ft Bragg (Jim's and Guns plus), both are indoor. Both stores overcharge for everything. Zoning and safety/EPA/insurance requirements alone are enough to give you a nosebleed.When i lived in the barracks (at Campbell) I kept my guns at my boss's house, in my safe in his garage (except the handguns I kept hid in my team room lol). Also Campbell isn't that large of a post in terms of personnel, which would be your client base. When I was there (1990s) I shot at my friend's property in Sango or at a old gravel pit in Woodlawn.

I'd probably have rifle range up to or exceeding 300m, pistol range to 75m, shotgun range with traps in a sandpit so you could destroy stuff i.e. an old laptop that frustrated the hell out of you, and a mil-spec pop up range so soldiers could practice their marksmanship-that would probably cost a per use premium.
I would also probably rent class 3 weapons out eventually.

Ideas? comments? information?


Also, if your operation is off post there would be no requirement to insure weapons are registered there since its a different jurisdiction. That would be between the gun owner and the MPs.
Link Posted: 4/26/2015 12:07:35 PM EDT
[#15]
good to know.  I think it might be a good idea just to ensure t hat the weapon isn't "hot".
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 10:36:48 PM EDT
[#16]
Mention working with MP to ensure weapons are registered ... Many Soldiers likely don't want their weapons registered with the post (I was one of them when I was in).  

Also, mention establishing a range 30-40 miles from post might be problematic for those troops who don't necessarily want to travel that far to secure their firearms.


I commend you for trying to work up a business concept, and that you're soliciting ideas and recommendations beforehand.

Best of luck!
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 5:14:22 AM EDT
[#17]
Thanks for the encouragement, and as far as not traveling that far, well, I would prefer it be within 20 miles, but we'll see.
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