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Posted: 3/16/2015 8:59:57 PM EDT
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? I'm gonna go ahead and guess your friend wasn't a paratrooper because no dude on status has ever said that. Like...ever. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:06:17 PM EDT
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I'm gonna go ahead and guess your friend wasn't a paratrooper because no dude on status has ever said that. Like...ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? I'm gonna go ahead and guess your friend wasn't a paratrooper because no dude on status has ever said that. Like...ever. I working off my memory, but around 98-99 I remember hearing many guys mention that early on the C17 caused significantly more injuries |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:08:46 PM EDT
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I working off my memory, but around 98-99 I remember hearing many guys mention that early on the C17 caused significantly more injuries Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? I'm gonna go ahead and guess your friend wasn't a paratrooper because no dude on status has ever said that. Like...ever. I working off my memory, but around 98-99 I remember hearing many guys mention that early on the C17 caused significantly more injuries Forgetting to take that extra step for the platform will do that. 
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:10:35 PM EDT
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Forgetting to take that extra step for the platform will do that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? I'm gonna go ahead and guess your friend wasn't a paratrooper because no dude on status has ever said that. Like...ever. I working off my memory, but around 98-99 I remember hearing many guys mention that early on the C17 caused significantly more injuries Forgetting to take that extra step for the platform will do that. The addition of the platform is what I remember being the cure for the problem. One of my former GySgt told me when he was with 2nd ANGLICO they were basically TAD to Bragg for months testing the concept |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 12:53:27 AM EDT
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? our friend is full of shit. the C17 is the preferred drop platform, the Cadillac of the Sky. Anyone who says otherwise has either never jumped out of one, or is old as fuck. |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 6:25:07 AM EDT
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Thanks, guys.
I remember that early in the program there was a problem where the jumpers going out the left and right doors would collide behind the airplane, but that was all I'd heard and that's been corrected. |
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Posted: 3/17/2015 8:58:31 PM EDT
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The addition of the platform is what I remember being the cure for the problem. One of my former GySgt told me when he was with 2nd ANGLICO they were basically TAD to Bragg for months testing the concept Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? I'm gonna go ahead and guess your friend wasn't a paratrooper because no dude on status has ever said that. Like...ever. I working off my memory, but around 98-99 I remember hearing many guys mention that early on the C17 caused significantly more injuries Forgetting to take that extra step for the platform will do that. The addition of the platform is what I remember being the cure for the problem. One of my former GySgt told me when he was with 2nd ANGLICO they were basically TAD to Bragg for months testing the concept That and the addition of the 5 foot universal static line extension. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:13:22 AM EDT
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UH-60 jump is best jump
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Posted: 3/20/2015 5:54:09 AM EDT
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our friend is full of shit. the C17 is the preferred drop platform, the Cadillac of the Sky. Anyone who says otherwise has either never jumped out of one, or is old as fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? our friend is full of shit. the C17 is the preferred drop platform, the Cadillac of the Sky. Anyone who says otherwise has either never jumped out of one, or is old as fuck. I'm old as fuck and I like a 130, especially a ramp jump. But I also ride shovelheads (old leaky Harley) and I think piston AR's are gay. Jump status 1987-2010 |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 6:15:47 AM EDT
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Never jumped a 17. Always had twisted risers out of a 141
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Posted: 3/21/2015 9:16:38 AM EDT
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? Your friend is very very misinformed. Has he ever jumped a C-17 or compared loading a C-17 versus getting stuffed in a C-141 or C-130? C-130s are easier to jumpmaster though as you don't have to trace the bottom of the door. Quoted:
I remember that early in the program there was a problem where the jumpers going out the left and right doors would collide behind the airplane, but that was all I'd heard and that's been corrected. That was a problem during testing almost 20 years ago. It was one of the reasons for the longer static lines. The white 20' static lines and then the 5' foot extension to the USL or USL-M. High altitude entanglements are always a possibility from any aircraft. |
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Posted: 3/21/2015 9:27:22 AM EDT
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The addition of the platform is what I remember being the cure for the problem. One of my former GySgt told me when he was with 2nd ANGLICO they were basically TAD to Bragg for months testing the concept Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? I'm gonna go ahead and guess your friend wasn't a paratrooper because no dude on status has ever said that. Like...ever. I working off my memory, but around 98-99 I remember hearing many guys mention that early on the C17 caused significantly more injuries Forgetting to take that extra step for the platform will do that. The addition of the platform is what I remember being the cure for the problem. One of my former GySgt told me when he was with 2nd ANGLICO they were basically TAD to Bragg for months testing the concept There really isn't a platform with the C-17. It is just integrated into the aircraft and is the thickness of the "wall". Now that fancy handle on the lead edge of the door took some development and money. |
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Posted: 3/21/2015 9:33:43 AM EDT
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The C-17 was the first US cargo aircraft designed for paratroop drops that had troops from the 82nd, Airborne Board, and the Military Free Fall School all involved from the beginning as they worked up mock-ups and layouts of the seats, lighting, on-board oxygen systems, and jump doors (to include jumpmaster spotting around the landing gear sponsons).
The C-130 has NOTHING on a C-17 (except maybe big picture cost). A paratrooper who would rather jump a 130 over a 17 isn't mentally right in the head. |
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Posted: 3/21/2015 10:08:50 AM EDT
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I dont even like to fly in a C130.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 11:38:37 PM EDT
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I love being Jumpmaster, no wind during door checks, just stand on the platform and enjoy the view  Quote HistoryQuoted: our friend is full of shit. the C17 is the preferred drop platform, the Cadillac of the Sky. Anyone who says otherwise has either never jumped out of one, or is old as fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? our friend is full of shit. the C17 is the preferred drop platform, the Cadillac of the Sky. Anyone who says otherwise has either never jumped out of one, or is old as fuck. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 5:50:38 PM EDT
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C17 = Cadillac
C130 = JM, AJ, safeties, and everyone jumping walking on top of you |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 6:47:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm old as fuck and I like a 130, especially a ramp jump. But I also ride shovelheads (old leaky Harley) and I think piston AR's are gay. Jump status 1987-2010 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? our friend is full of shit. the C17 is the preferred drop platform, the Cadillac of the Sky. Anyone who says otherwise has either never jumped out of one, or is old as fuck. I'm old as fuck and I like a 130, especially a ramp jump. But I also ride shovelheads (old leaky Harley) and I think piston AR's are gay. Jump status 1987-2010 boot 1983-1986 airland and kill puppies! |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:15:48 PM EDT
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Thanks, guys. I remember that early in the program there was a problem where the jumpers going out the left and right doors would collide behind the airplane, but that was all I'd heard and that's been corrected. That happens with Hercs, too. You have to stagger the jumpers, Left, right, left, right, left until everybody is out. When I was Jumping, late 1970's, the cure was to do one side at a time. Starboard side hooks up and exits. Then the Port side. Or whichever side was chosen to go first. From what I've seen, the C-17 being wider, both sides can go back to jumping without staggering the exits. 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:24:42 PM EDT
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C17 = Cadillac C130 = JM, AJ, safeties, and everyone jumping walking on top of you 
Jump School, Jump Number 4: Equipment Jump. All but my last Jump was from the C-141 Starlifter. We're loaded and the JM are walking on top of everybody's rucksacks and stuff.  We were so crowded the Black Hats had no problem walking on our equipment with minimal problems. We were so tightly packed we could barely move!
Never had that problem with the C-130. But then we were never crowded as we were in Jump School.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:29:38 PM EDT
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our friend is full of shit. the C17 is the preferred drop platform, the Cadillac of the Sky. Anyone who says otherwise has either never jumped out of one, or is old as fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? our friend is full of shit. the C17 is the preferred drop platform, the Cadillac of the Sky. Anyone who says otherwise has either never jumped out of one, or is old as fuck. The 141 was the Cadillac of the sky, the 17 is the Freedom Bird. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 12:14:21 AM EDT
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Jesus... The C141 was so shitty got replaced by a newer plane AND an older plane att he same time.
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Posted: 4/3/2015 12:52:14 AM EDT
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Jump School, Jump Number 4: Equipment Jump. All but my last Jump was from the C-141 Starlifter. We're loaded and the JM are walking on top of everybody's rucksacks and stuff. We were so crowded the Black Hats had no problem walking on our equipment with minimal problems. We were so tightly packed we could barely move!
Never had that problem with the C-130. But then we were never crowded as we were in Jump School. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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C17 = Cadillac C130 = JM, AJ, safeties, and everyone jumping walking on top of you
Jump School, Jump Number 4: Equipment Jump. All but my last Jump was from the C-141 Starlifter. We're loaded and the JM are walking on top of everybody's rucksacks and stuff. We were so crowded the Black Hats had no problem walking on our equipment with minimal problems. We were so tightly packed we could barely move!
Never had that problem with the C-130. But then we were never crowded as we were in Jump School. A jump at ABN school is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY different than a BN airfield seizure with heavy drops, esp when your next to a mortar team and you got a fucking stinger. |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 1:04:25 AM EDT
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Jump School, Jump Number 4: Equipment Jump. All but my last Jump was from the C-141 Starlifter. We're loaded and the JM are walking on top of everybody's rucksacks and stuff. We were so crowded the Black Hats had no problem walking on our equipment with minimal problems. We were so tightly packed we could barely move!
Never had that problem with the C-130. But then we were never crowded as we were in Jump School. 
How many MASSTACs did you part-take in? |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 11:22:48 PM EDT
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Rotory wing is the way to go.
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Posted: 4/3/2015 11:29:14 PM EDT
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A jump at ABN school is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY different than a BN airfield seizure with heavy drops, esp when your next to a mortar team and you got a fucking stinger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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C17 = Cadillac C130 = JM, AJ, safeties, and everyone jumping walking on top of you
Jump School, Jump Number 4: Equipment Jump. All but my last Jump was from the C-141 Starlifter. We're loaded and the JM are walking on top of everybody's rucksacks and stuff. We were so crowded the Black Hats had no problem walking on our equipment with minimal problems. We were so tightly packed we could barely move!
Never had that problem with the C-130. But then we were never crowded as we were in Jump School. A jump at ABN school is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY different than a BN airfield seizure with heavy drops, esp when your next to a mortar team and you got a fucking stinger. Hell, you haven't lived until you've sat on the Tarmac in the sun for hours... |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 11:40:00 PM EDT
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? The C-17 was well after my time. My first 5 jumps at Fryar were from a C-141, and they fucking hurt. They hurt because stall speed on the 141 was so high that we had to jump at an unsafe speed. My first C-130 jump was at RIP, and it was so pleasurable that were really enjoyed it. The 130 is a great platform to jump from, the 141 was a bitch. I would liked to have had the opportunity to jump from a C-17. |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 11:54:09 PM EDT
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The C-17 was the first US cargo aircraft designed for paratroop drops that had troops from the 82nd, Airborne Board, and the Military Free Fall School all involved from the beginning as they worked up mock-ups and layouts of the seats, lighting, on-board oxygen systems, and jump doors (to include jumpmaster spotting around the landing gear sponsons). The C-130 has NOTHING on a C-17 (except maybe big picture cost). A paratrooper who would rather jump a 130 over a 17 isn't mentally right in the head. I was a rigger who got to work at the ACE Board a few tours. We packed and loaded 250 lb dummies and dropped them all the time. They had some kind of sensor on them measuring the shock of the opening and the impact from other dummies under the plane. That was right before the static line extension solution. That was in 96-97 time frame. |
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Posted: 4/4/2015 7:13:41 AM EDT
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The C-17 was well after my time. My first 5 jumps at Fryar were from a C-141, and they fucking hurt. They hurt because stall speed on the 141 was so high that we had to jump at an unsafe speed. My first C-130 jump was at RIP, and it was so pleasurable that were really enjoyed it. The 130 is a great platform to jump from, the 141 was a bitch. I would liked to have had the opportunity to jump from a C-17. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A friend told me he heard that paratroopers prefer jumping from a C-130 vs a C-17. Can you guys tell me why the C-17 isn't liked for personnel drops? The C-17 was well after my time. My first 5 jumps at Fryar were from a C-141, and they fucking hurt. They hurt because stall speed on the 141 was so high that we had to jump at an unsafe speed. My first C-130 jump was at RIP, and it was so pleasurable that were really enjoyed it. The 130 is a great platform to jump from, the 141 was a bitch. I would liked to have had the opportunity to jump from a C-17. 141s did personnel drops at 120 knots. I don't know what speed Hercs dropped at. <----- former 141 Flight Engineer |
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Posted: 4/4/2015 10:47:00 PM EDT
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Fuck that, 130's suck dick.
Order of preference 47 > C17 > C130 If I could do a 47 every jump I would. Hold your static line upside down, walk off the ramp and pencil dive straight down. No going ass over teakettle, no twisted risers, nothing. |
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Posted: 4/10/2015 11:51:36 AM EDT
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I always had better exits from a c130, although you were cramped as shit in there and no ac was a bitch.
c17 had air conditioning which was a godsend, and you could actually stretch out before your jump, but the sticks were always longer, as they put alot more jumpers in the sky personally I didn't really care either way, unless it was the middle of august. |
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