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Posted: 2/20/2015 10:36:18 PM EDT
Hello everyone,
Have you ever encountered / known anyone that has a high pay grade (O-5 O-6 O-7 O-8 O-9 E-6 E-7) with 2 or less or just over 2 years of service? All pay charts have brackets set up for those scenario; however I wonder how someone can climb up the rank so quickly? Thank you. Thank you for your service. 
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Posted: 2/20/2015 10:38:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hello everyone, Have you ever encountered / known anyone that has a high pay grade (O-5 O-6 O-7 O-8 O-9 E-6 E-7) with 2 or less or just over 2 years of service? All pay charts have brackets set up for those scenario; however I wonder how someone can climb up the rank so quickly? Thank you. Thank you for your service. http://www.beforejoiningthemilitary.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/joining-the-military-2012-military-pay-table.png Here is one that entered the Navy Medical Corps at the age of 61 after his son was killed. http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/01/local/me-doctor1 |
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Posted: 2/20/2015 10:50:26 PM EDT
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Doctors, Dentists and such these days. I had a teacher in high school that got drafted in 1968. He enlisted rather than wait to get picked up. Had he waited he would likely been a 2nd Lt as he had a degree. By enlisting as a lab tech with a bachelors he was a Spec 6. He did 3 years at E6.
ETA: he was higher grade than his Drill Sergeants. That said any Corporal purportedly outranked any Spec4, 5, 6, or 7. |
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Posted: 2/21/2015 11:53:14 AM EDT
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Thank you. Just for my curiosity, did his drill instructor have to salute to him since had a higher rank than the drill instructor?
Here is another question. How could some junior-ranked( E2 to E4, O1 to O3) have such long years of service(over 12, over 14, over 16, over 18)? There are pay brackets for them, too. |
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Posted: 2/21/2015 3:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is another question. How could some junior-ranked( E2 to E4, O1 to O3) have such long years of service(over 12, over 14, over 16, over 18)? There are pay brackets for them, too. |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 1:12:45 AM EDT
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Doctors, Dentists and such these days. I had a teacher in high school that got drafted in 1968. He enlisted rather than wait to get picked up. Had he waited he would likely been a 2nd Lt as he had a degree. By enlisting as a lab tech with a bachelors he was a Spec 6. He did 3 years at E6. ETA: he was higher grade than his Drill Sergeants. That said any Corporal purportedly outranked any Spec4, 5, 6, or 7. this is complete BS. if you enlisted with a degree you got excellerated promotion to E3. I know, that is what I did. In by BCT platoon there was a guy with a masters degree from Oxford. We were the same rank. |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 1:22:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this is complete BS. if you enlisted with a degree you got excellerated promotion to E3. I know, that is what I did. In by BCT platoon there was a guy with a masters degree from Oxford. We were the same rank. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doctors, Dentists and such these days. I had a teacher in high school that got drafted in 1968. He enlisted rather than wait to get picked up. Had he waited he would likely been a 2nd Lt as he had a degree. By enlisting as a lab tech with a bachelors he was a Spec 6. He did 3 years at E6. ETA: he was higher grade than his Drill Sergeants. That said any Corporal purportedly outranked any Spec4, 5, 6, or 7. this is complete BS. if you enlisted with a degree you got excellerated promotion to E3. I know, that is what I did. In by BCT platoon there was a guy with a masters degree from Oxford. We were the same rank. My Step-dad went into the US Navy Seabees under the "Instant Petty Officer" program in 1966. He went through an accelerated Boot Camp in Gulfport, MS and entered with the rank of Petty Officer First Class (E-6). |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 1:37:57 AM EDT
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Thank you. Just for my curiosity, did his drill instructor have to salute to him since had a higher rank than the drill instructor? Here is another question. How could some junior-ranked( E2 to E4, O1 to O3) have such long years of service(over 12, over 14, over 16, over 18)? There are pay brackets for them, too. Many times guys will complete numerous enlistments before becoming an officer. So a former NCO may have 10 years of service before becoming an Officer, in which case they may go from say an E-6 with 10 years to an O-1 with 11. Also, E-2 to E-4 with 8-12 years could be a scenario where the individual was an E-5 and lost rank, they have a hard time making rank in their MOS, or they don't have the drive make the requirements to get promoted into the NCO ranks. |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 1:47:04 AM EDT
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So for us non mil people, is that monthly,weekly or bi weekly pay?
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Posted: 2/22/2015 1:53:08 AM EDT
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Monthly.
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Posted: 2/22/2015 4:05:31 AM EDT
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Not BS, times change, rules change. My Step-dad went into the US Navy Seabees under the "Instant Petty Officer" program in 1966. He went through an accelerated Boot Camp in Gulfport, MS and entered with the rank of Petty Officer First Class (E-6). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doctors, Dentists and such these days. I had a teacher in high school that got drafted in 1968. He enlisted rather than wait to get picked up. Had he waited he would likely been a 2nd Lt as he had a degree. By enlisting as a lab tech with a bachelors he was a Spec 6. He did 3 years at E6. ETA: he was higher grade than his Drill Sergeants. That said any Corporal purportedly outranked any Spec4, 5, 6, or 7. this is complete BS. if you enlisted with a degree you got excellerated promotion to E3. I know, that is what I did. In by BCT platoon there was a guy with a masters degree from Oxford. We were the same rank. My Step-dad went into the US Navy Seabees under the "Instant Petty Officer" program in 1966. He went through an accelerated Boot Camp in Gulfport, MS and entered with the rank of Petty Officer First Class (E-6). The Army had a similar program during the Vietnam War. Trainees could apply to be a "Shake and Bake" NCO. If accepted, they attended a training course after Basic and AIT; and, upon graduation, they went to Vietnam as an E-5. IIRC, they had to extend their enlistments a year or two. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 3:47:21 AM EDT
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So for us non mil people, is that monthly,weekly or bi weekly pay? Paid on the 1st and 15th. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 4:58:15 AM EDT
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I just made Captain. I've got 13 years in. I was paid in boot camp as an E-5.
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Posted: 2/24/2015 5:08:30 PM EDT
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Doctors, Dentists and such these days. I had a teacher in high school that got drafted in 1968. He enlisted rather than wait to get picked up. Had he waited he would likely been a 2nd Lt as he had a degree. By enlisting as a lab tech with a bachelors he was a Spec 6. He did 3 years at E6. ETA: he was higher grade than his Drill Sergeants. That said any Corporal purportedly outranked any Spec4, 5, 6, or 7. At one time that was true. However it was changed in the 70's so that an NCO outranked a specialist of the same pay grade but specialists of higher pay grades outranked the NCO in a lower one. Its a moot point now since there are no more SP5's and above any more. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 5:35:45 PM EDT
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Thank you. Just for my curiosity, did his drill instructor have to salute to him since had a higher rank than the drill instructor? Here is another question. How could some junior-ranked( E2 to E4, O1 to O3) have such long years of service(over 12, over 14, over 16, over 18)? There are pay brackets for them, too. Other than specific ceremonies, enlisted do not salute one another. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 11:08:25 AM EDT
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Not BS, times change, rules change. My Step-dad went into the US Navy Seabees under the "Instant Petty Officer" program in 1966. He went through an accelerated Boot Camp in Gulfport, MS and entered with the rank of Petty Officer First Class (E-6). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doctors, Dentists and such these days. I had a teacher in high school that got drafted in 1968. He enlisted rather than wait to get picked up. Had he waited he would likely been a 2nd Lt as he had a degree. By enlisting as a lab tech with a bachelors he was a Spec 6. He did 3 years at E6. ETA: he was higher grade than his Drill Sergeants. That said any Corporal purportedly outranked any Spec4, 5, 6, or 7. this is complete BS. if you enlisted with a degree you got excellerated promotion to E3. I know, that is what I did. In by BCT platoon there was a guy with a masters degree from Oxford. We were the same rank. My Step-dad went into the US Navy Seabees under the "Instant Petty Officer" program in 1966. He went through an accelerated Boot Camp in Gulfport, MS and entered with the rank of Petty Officer First Class (E-6). Ahh .. the Navy be different. The Army did have an instant sergeNt school. It was referred to as Shake and bake or whip and chill depending on what part of the year you went through it. But I don't think that you could enlist for it. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:53:36 PM EDT
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Want to talk about weird rank...look at the USAF Band. Once they graduate Basic they are awarded E-6. Went through the SNCOA with some MSgts who had never been supervisors or in any type of Leadership roles.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 5:59:29 PM EDT
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What I found messed up was when the Army changed all the Physician's Assistants from Warrant officers to Commissioned Officers. We had a CW4 PA that was made a 1st LT.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 6:01:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What I found messed up was when the Army changed all the Physician's Assistants from Warrant officers to Commissioned Officers. We had a CW4 PA that was made a 1st LT.  Bwa ha ha ha!
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:49:23 PM EDT
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Want to talk about weird rank...look at the USAF Band. Once they graduate Basic they are awarded E-6. Went through the SNCOA with some MSgts who had never been supervisors or in any type of Leadership roles. The Army is the same way. You have bands full of E7 through E9 with no actual military expetience. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 6:55:45 AM EDT
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The Army is the same way. You have bands full of E7 through E9 with no actual military expetience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Want to talk about weird rank...look at the USAF Band. Once they graduate Basic they are awarded E-6. Went through the SNCOA with some MSgts who had never been supervisors or in any type of Leadership roles. The Army is the same way. You have bands full of E7 through E9 with no actual military expetience. All the "service bands" are that way; they become staff NCOs and go to DC and play music |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:42:32 PM EDT
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All the "service bands" are that way; they become staff NCOs and go to DC and play music Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Want to talk about weird rank...look at the USAF Band. Once they graduate Basic they are awarded E-6. Went through the SNCOA with some MSgts who had never been supervisors or in any type of Leadership roles. The Army is the same way. You have bands full of E7 through E9 with no actual military expetience. All the "service bands" are that way; they become staff NCOs and go to DC and play music Heh. 36th ID's band played award ceremonies w/ actual rockets coming in. Most of 'em are Austin area music teachers. It was nice having a band on deployment. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 1:04:50 PM EDT
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Highest I’ve personally seen is a direct commission O-6. Man was a neuro/spinal surgeon with 20+ years of private practice. He said he wanted to "serve his country while he still could." Had a 2 year contract and waived his bonus for a higher rank.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 10:10:45 PM EDT
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Paid on the 1st and 15th. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So for us non mil people, is that monthly,weekly or bi weekly pay? Paid on the 1st and 15th. The pay in the chart is your total monthly base pay. In some cases you also get a housing allowance of, say, maybe 25% (typical) of your base pay. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 11:19:54 PM EDT
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Ship
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Posted: 3/17/2015 8:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
All the "service bands" are that way; they become staff NCOs and go to DC and play music Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Want to talk about weird rank...look at the USAF Band. Once they graduate Basic they are awarded E-6. Went through the SNCOA with some MSgts who had never been supervisors or in any type of Leadership roles. The Army is the same way. You have bands full of E7 through E9 with no actual military expetience. All the "service bands" are that way; they become staff NCOs and go to DC and play music I went through AF basic in a band flight and a number of folks there were destined for the USAF band and would pin on E-7 right after basic. With a couple, to their credit, they did have a PhD in musical theory or some such. |
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