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Posted: 5/13/2014 5:21:21 AM EDT
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I never saw a mounted one. Granted I got out 4 years ago. We had several rangefinders at my outpost. They were bino style. Can't remember the name of them for the life of me, but they had a long range. I remember lazing stuff out to around 2000+m.
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Posted: 5/13/2014 10:05:59 AM EDT
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There is a rifle mounted one my old unit had some for the foward observers it looks like a gigantically oversized peq15 and i believe its got the same range as the binos i dont remember what its called
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Posted: 5/13/2014 3:02:19 PM EDT
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I did some checking and the only current one I found any online data on is the L3 AN/PSQ-23 STORM which is a pretty interesting gadget.
What's really interesting it is how the contract for it was written. Both L3 communications and DRS RSTA got contracts to both build the same device. As I gather, the devices are functionally the same but look a bit different from each other. In total the two companies got close to one billion dollars, 512 million to DRS, 438 millon to L3. Both contracts were issued under the following conditions: Firm Fixed Price AND Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity. Each company is to provide, at .mil's option, no less than 150 units and no more than 32,000 units under this firm fixed price arrangement. This means that a bit less than a billion dollars went to fund the purchase of not MORE than 64,000 such devices, and not LESS than 300 of them. Yeah...the price per unit depends on how many are ordered. If just the minimum were ordered, then they'd be about 3.3 million bucks EACH.  If the maximum were ordered, then they'd be about 16000 each.  For any amount in between, the fewer ordered, the higher the price per unit. Personally I find that particular contract award condition to be very offensive to me as a taxpayer. Firm Fixed Price is OK, and IDIQ is OK, but the two should never be combined in a single contract! A price per unit should have been set and .mil should have said "We need 12500 of them at 9500 dollars each." Or whatever the appropriate numbers would be. As a taxpayer, I'm pissed. You should be, too. The gadget itself seems to be quite interesting. I'd love to get a chance to play with one for a bit. IR illuminator, IR rangefinder good to 9000 meters, visible and IR aiming lasers, variable power, built in digital magnetic compass with angle meter, MILES gear compatibility, and the ability to network and share targeting data into the soldier's network. Cool. I want one.  |
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Posted: 5/13/2014 3:16:03 PM EDT
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There is a rifle mounted one my old unit had some for the foward observers it looks like a gigantically oversized peq15 and i believe its got the same range as the binos i dont remember what its called PSQ 23 |
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Posted: 5/13/2014 3:57:43 PM EDT
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There is a rifle mounted one my old unit had some for the foward observers it looks like a gigantically oversized peq15 and i believe its got the same range as the binos i dont remember what its called PSQ 23 I've used it. Not a fan. Slaved to a spotting scope, it might not be bad for certain uses. It seems like a solution to a problem nobody in a line unit ever asked. |
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Posted: 5/13/2014 4:01:08 PM EDT
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It incorporates a rangefinder, a digital compass, an inclinometer, and visible and NVG compatible aiming lasers into one package. What's not to like about that?
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Posted: 5/13/2014 4:03:45 PM EDT
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It incorporates a rangefinder, a digital compass, an inclinometer, and visible and NVG compatible aiming lasers into one package. What's not to like about that? Once you watch someone calibrate it, you'll understand. 
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Posted: 5/13/2014 4:10:39 PM EDT
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I've used it. Not a fan. Slaved to a spotting scope, it might not be bad for certain uses. It seems like a solution to a problem nobody in a line unit ever asked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is a rifle mounted one my old unit had some for the foward observers it looks like a gigantically oversized peq15 and i believe its got the same range as the binos i dont remember what its called PSQ 23 I've used it. Not a fan. Slaved to a spotting scope, it might not be bad for certain uses. It seems like a solution to a problem nobody in a line unit ever asked. Not ideal, but is "useful" for FOs provided they have a magnified optic. |
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Posted: 5/13/2014 7:36:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once you watch someone calibrate it, you'll understand. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It incorporates a rangefinder, a digital compass, an inclinometer, and visible and NVG compatible aiming lasers into one package. What's not to like about that? Once you watch someone calibrate it, you'll understand. |
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Posted: 5/14/2014 12:05:11 AM EDT
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It incorporates a rangefinder, a digital compass, an inclinometer, and visible and NVG compatible aiming lasers into one package. What's not to like about that? Sounds heavy. |
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Posted: 5/14/2014 12:22:22 AM EDT
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It incorporates a rangefinder, a digital compass, an inclinometer, and visible and NVG compatible aiming lasers into one package. What's not to like about that? Sounds heavy. a little over twice the weight/thickness of a PEQ 15. |
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Posted: 5/14/2014 1:19:53 AM EDT
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It incorporates a rangefinder, a digital compass, an inclinometer, and visible and NVG compatible aiming lasers into one package. What's not to like about that? Once you watch someone calibrate it, you'll understand. You know the hokey pokey dance? That's pretty much it. You have to do it quite often, too. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 3:54:28 PM EDT
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I did some checking and the only current one I found any online data on is the L3 AN/PSQ-23 STORM which is a pretty interesting gadget. What's really interesting it is how the contract for it was written. Both L3 communications and DRS RSTA got contracts to both build the same device. As I gather, the devices are functionally the same but look a bit different from each other. In total the two companies got close to one billion dollars, 512 million to DRS, 438 millon to L3. Both contracts were issued under the following conditions: Firm Fixed Price AND Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity. Each company is to provide, at .mil's option, no less than 150 units and no more than 32,000 units under this firm fixed price arrangement. This means that a bit less than a billion dollars went to fund the purchase of not MORE than 64,000 such devices, and not LESS than 300 of them. Yeah...the price per unit depends on how many are ordered. If just the minimum were ordered, then they'd be about 3.3 million bucks EACH.
If the maximum were ordered, then they'd be about 16000 each.
For any amount in between, the fewer ordered, the higher the price per unit. Personally I find that particular contract award condition to be very offensive to me as a taxpayer. Firm Fixed Price is OK, and IDIQ is OK, but the two should never be combined in a single contract! A price per unit should have been set and .mil should have said "We need 12500 of them at 9500 dollars each." Or whatever the appropriate numbers would be. As a taxpayer, I'm pissed. You should be, too. The gadget itself seems to be quite interesting. I'd love to get a chance to play with one for a bit. IR illuminator, IR rangefinder good to 9000 meters, visible and IR aiming lasers, variable power, built in digital magnetic compass with angle meter, MILES gear compatibility, and the ability to network and share targeting data into the soldier's network. Cool. I want one. That contract just allows the Army to purchase up to 32,000 of them over the life of the contract. They'll only be paying ~$15,000 each whether they purchase 300 or 30,000. The firm-fixed price is just in contrast to a cost-plus contract. |
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Posted: 5/24/2014 5:22:45 AM EDT
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I used a range finder made by Rockwell and it was called the Viper. It was basically a set of really big binos that I could plug a PLGR into. It allowed me to observe my target areas, range and plot targets. I mainly used it to scan my area. I remember signing for it and being told to never let it go any further than arms reach from me for the rest of the deployment. I really enjoyed using it because it helped calling in SALUTE reports etc without playing twenty questions with the TOC.
A weapon mounted ranging device would be nice but in the end it would be really bulky. |
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Posted: 5/24/2014 6:04:12 AM EDT
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I asked a few guys who were in the Army recently and a couple of them knew about the PSQ-23. They described the
calibration routine as a bizarre dance. Hold it straight up, hold it straight down. Now hold it horizontal and spin in circles. Repeat until dizzy and puking. Complete the cal routine and if it says BAD on the display, repeat the process.  |
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Posted: 5/27/2014 4:01:04 AM EDT
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It's funny you should bring up this topic. The most current edition of "Sniper" magazine has a great article on laser range finders, including some weapon mounted offerings. He lays out reviews, pricing, etc. It would be worth checking out, if you're in the market.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 11:25:12 PM EDT
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nobody uses a rifle mounted LRF. They issue off the shelf ones because they're not sexy, and they work. If you need to lase past .308 or .300, there's MUCH heavier tools at your disposal.
Also since the spotter (not the shooter) ranges the target and gives a windcall, a rifle mounted lrf would be pretty impractical. |
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