I have really liked my PWS MK114.
I have been emailing various gun makers wanting to know their position on the attack on our second amendment rights and those states that will make criminals out of civilians that own their products.

I have been blunt:
If they want my continued business and recommendation join the fight to stop the attacks on the Bill of Rights or I go elsewhere
PWS feels I am trying to bully them and will not bow to such pressure

Below is their response word for word

Do you feel they make a good point?
Am I being a bully and being unfair to PWS?
Do you think LaRue, Midway and Spikes plus others are wrong in not supporting LE agencies that will enforce these bans and arrest people who want to keep a PWS, Spikes or LaRue AR15?

Maybe I am out of line. What do you think?


Wulfmann
(below is the actual email from PWS and below that my exact email response to that email)
Hello Mr. XXX,

Thank you for contacting us with your concerns and to communicate your opinions and stance on the current political situation and attack on the second amendment that we are all engaged in.  We also greatly appreciate all of your past and hopefully continued support due to the excellent function, performance and quality of the PWS weapons you already have.    

In the weeks since Sen. Feinstein’s push for new Gun Control first started, many of the employees at PWS have been repeatedly contacting various political leaders via email and Facebook to voice our wish to see them uphold the Constitution rather than undermine it. We agree that taking a stance for what one believes in is part of what makes this country great. We believe other factors in that greatness are the freedom from oppression and political bullying guaranteed by our Bill of Rights and economic wherewithal brought to us by the Free Market Economy.  

PWS supports the US Soldier, Law Enforcement  and Armed Citizen with the same priority.  Just as you have a choice in what firearms you purchase and trust, so do they.  They are exercising their free will in the free market just as you or I would.   They are not the boogeyman, they are our parents, siblings and friends.  At times, we may be at odds, but we are still ALL Americans.  There is a small but vocal crowd that seeks to further divide this nation instead of lead it.  Unfortunately, they control the Whitehouse right now......but that will pass.  The last thing a conservative response should be, is too cleave and divide ourselves even further from all Americans instead of working together as a united people.  This saddens us that is the typical response.  

We personally know many men serving as LEO in the states you wish us to refuse business to, men who we consider brothers who have served this nation overseas and continue to serve their communities as Law Enforcement.  These men have actually fought for the rights you purport to support as you try to threaten a position and statement out of firearms manufacturers using misguided fear tactics that are already in heavy use by the liberal leadership in this nation.  They are as ardent of defenders and believers in the Constitution and 2nd Amendment as ANYONE.   I will not betray their service and sacrifice or their friendship any more readily than I would betray yours, yet that is exactly what you are demanding.

What you have done in this message to PWS is give an ultimatum reinforced with threats.  This is also known as an "initiation of force”.  I cannot tell you how much this disappoints me on a personal level.  We have spoken on the phone numerous times and instead of reaching out and asking how to help each other in this fight, you instead use the same tactics of those on the other side by giving an ultimatum engineered to solicit a response in line with your demands, leaving no room for anything else.  You did not ask us as a brother American, instead you treat us as an adversary you wish to threaten and force to bend to your will.  You have voiced your stance and what the repercussions are for us if we don't submit to your will but just as our forefathers believed…..  I submit to NO MAN sir and I expect no one to submit to me.  

PWS will not be submitting to your ultimatum and if us standing up for our right and our beliefs is counter to your wants, needs and desires and your punishment upon us is to not use or endorse or purchase our products from us, that is your choice.  In closing, I believe you need to reflect on the tone and tactics conveyed by your email.  

Cordially,

MR. STACEY NAGY
Dealer Development/Sales  
PRIMARY WEAPONS SYSTEMS
208.344.5217 x 206
208.344.5395 fax
http://www.primaryweapons.com/


Actually we have never spoken on the phone even one time. We have only communicated via email

There are many law enforcement officers who do not support the second amendment nor do their agencies.
In states like New York new laws are being passed that makes any citizen who own a PWS rifle a felon.
What you are saying is you will support agencies that will arrest someone for owning a PWS rifle.
Does that make sense?

Please, you want to make sure you keep a broad monetary base and that is understandable but what you manufacture is under serious threat.

However, you are being short sited because the gun community is drawing a line in the sand and it will likely come down to deciding what side you want to be on.
Some states where your products are illegal except for those few agencies that might buy from you and those you support will arrest a civilian PWS owner.

You have a right to your decision and a right to call me a bully and it saddens me to hear you choose to side with dollar signs and not principles.

Yes, I have informed you in spite of my preferring PWS as one of my personal defense guns (Something many people in states you will support can no longer have) I will give up owning the newer model Mod 1 PWS or future purchases and support those manufactures who put their money where their mouth is and actually DO what is needed to defend our rights from tyrannical despots and those that enforce these unconstitutional laws.

But I will copy and paste your reply as you wrote it so the gun community knows you will not be "bullied” by people who believe we have come to a place were we must stand up for the constitution or lose it.

I believe as a business PWS certainly should make its choices as it feels its interest are best served.
I note your position and am glad I waited for your reply so I didn’t waste my time ordering 2 Mod 1 uppers

All the best, XXX

 

Fuck PWS, its position, and its condescending response to you.

Not a loss to me. Nice rifles,but I watched one of my friend's PWS rifles self destruct pretty good at the range one time.

Too bad they won't take a stand. They'll soon realize that their bread and butter likely isn't broke ass government agencies but citizens who can actually afford to buy their products and will recommend them to friends.

oh shit it's onnnn

Never even heard of them. So meh.

Was going to buy one of their rails.  Oh well, looks like I won't now.

That MK214 looks less attractive now.

Cool. Another company to boycott. I actually liked them, too.

Another company off my list

meh

don't own anything of theirs, won't in the future.

LaRue can get my $$$, his uppers are better anyhow.

A threat to stop buying a product isn't "initiation of force".

Just added to my list of companies not to buy from.

This.

Add PWS to the list of companies that need to be ignored by gun owners.

They can sit at the same fucking table as Armalite.

I liked my FSC 556 enough I was considering another for my current build.  But now I think I will shop around

This is good to know, I was "about to" start  a f4 on a nice little pws sbr from my lgs now it's not going to happen

Lines are being drawn in the sand on both sides of the issue. Companies should strongly think about it before responding.

Not exactly, but it is a push/ultimatum.  Surprised to seem them use the use or cite Libertarian principle at all, especially in that way.  You'd think most of these company heads and management are badge worshippers, most Libertarians would claim to be the opposite.

My greatest wish is that all of this AWB fails and these companies that have decided to support those that would disarm the American public of modern weapons will get their just dues, while those like LaRue/Olympic/Spikes/DDD/York/Barrett/etc are rewarded richly.  For they have earned the favor and trust of the American public while these other shams of companies have earned our distrust.  We vote with our wallets, remember who would turn their backs on you and buy accordingly.

I think you are mistaken in assuming that their decision is based solely on profit.

I can't imagine that there are enough officers in ban states purchasing PWS rifles that stopping those sales would affect their bottom line. I imagine that PWS leadership is also in tune with the community enough to realize that this position will lead to calls for a boycott.

I sent them back their message, with a preface: "Some idiot sent this out and signed your name."

This just reinforces my decision that my next rifle will be a Larue.

don't own anything they make

and I do not see a reason to ever do

Cross an other one off the list.  I will remember.

FUCK PWS, won't own one now

They just don't get it.

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Screw them

This.

We are starting to see who will sell our enemies the tools to defeat us.  The 2nd says CITIZENS should be armed, not the government.  In fact, those citizen arms are to keep the government in check. Citizens are Guaranteed by the constitution to KEEP and BARE these weapons.

The founding fathers warned against having a standing army.  All these law enforcement organizations are essentially a standing army , not constitutional and have no constitutional authority, yet these Cop Shops are tripping over their dicks to sell them rifles and gear mere citizens a not allowed to have.

They can all go to hell

They make crap anyway!

This is where the disconnect is in bold. NO the people of New York DO NOT have the same choices as the LEO.

What a bunch of CRAP.

Who





Douchebags, apparently

No great loss.

Fuck PWS!

Pussy Wannabe Somebody.

Oh well, I guess LaRue will be getting my hard earned money.

I see no need to ever purchase from them again.

That's a load of horse shit PWS and you know it. We, especially of us that live in not so free states do not have the same choices in firearms as LE.  It's companies like you that give politicians the will to further restrict gun ownership from it's citizens. There is no recourse or backlash for making such pointless laws. Do as Magpul, and make the government question itself.

I have never bought a PWS  product and don't intend to now.

You're either with us or with the domestic terrorists.

fuck pws

Add them to the list of companies not to buy from.

You guys are right. We should totally fuck over a gun company which is going to be affected by all of these laws that are passing. They are going to lose tons of business because citizens of those states will not be able to own their products, so let's fuck them even more by hurting their business and making them go under.

Divide and conquer is a great philosophy ...... for the lefties to win.

While I support the right for businesses to chose to take this stance, and I fully support your right to purchase from wherever you like, I also want to support all parts of the gun industry so we can stay strong, stay united, and ultimately overturn these stupid ass laws these ass clowns keep passing.

Think before you rush to 'boycott' one of your own. Perhaps a suggestion that they may want to re-think their policy is in order, however to actively try to fuck them seems counter productive.

Are you going to 'boycott' Glock, Sig, Colt, H&K, and every other major gun manufacturer too because they still sell to LE in ban states? Get real.

PWS makes fucking total garbage anyhow in my opinion.
I heard from a reputable source that most of their stuff is cast in China out of radioactive pot metal, and they are lying about making anything in the US. Somebody else told me PWS really stands for Pedophile Weiner Satisfaction.

It might be total bullshit, so make sure you don't spread unconfirmed wild rumors like this and hurt an innocent business.

Otherwise, you are talking about walking around like that comedian with no sleeves...

Shame. I liked PWS. Love their comps. Was going to get another fsc556. Guess ill have.to get the Rainer arms comp now.

" I submit to NO MAN sir"

im just going to buy larue everything from now on

I'm boycotting them. I've outfitted at least 2 families since this ban talk really hit home with NY's bullsit SAFE act, I will not recommend them and am putting them in the league of Armalite which is also on my boycott list.

Guess I'll look elsewhere

We need an official list of companies not to buy from.

I hope someone is making a list. They don't make anything that I would ever buy, but its good to know who to tell folks to stay away from.

When Glock, Sig, or other similar handguns are not available as choices for the average citizen in a state, then yes, I will choose not to purchase another of their products if they continue to sell to "special" folks.  What is difficult to understand about that?