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Posted: 11/18/2010 6:46:30 PM EDT

Surely it's come up here?

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xdtalk-chatter-box/161995-i-need-vent.html

Quite a read.

ETA: Excerpt.

We are all ok thanks to my wife. There is no way to prepare for a phone call from your wife while you are at work that go exactly like this:

Me: Hi sweetie!
Wife: I need you home now, I just shot two invaders!
Me: On the way now! (end of call)

Here are a couple of links to the story...

UPDATE: XDtalk has set up a monetary fund for the family:

Quoted:
XDtalk has a PayPal fund set up to help out.
[redacted per CoC]

[redacted per CoC]

ETA: The family is GTG in the firearms department.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:01:56 PM EDT

[#1]

Goes to show that there is so much more that can ruin you after a self defense shooting...

There is nothing "cool" about it.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:03:53 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
Goes to show that there is so much more that can ruin you after a self defense shooting...

There is nothing "cool" about it.

Indeed.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:06:36 PM EDT

[#3]

+1 to the above. I wish that family well and i hope more people understand the ramifications of a shoot, good or not.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:08:04 PM EDT

[#4]

damn

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:18:16 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Goes to show that there is so much more that can ruin you after a self defense shooting...

There is nothing "cool" about it.

Indeed.

Yeah its a shitty situation, but home invasions end a lot worse most of the time.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:18:51 PM EDT

[#6]

Fuck criminals and their families.

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Posted: 11/18/2010 7:20:37 PM EDT

[#7]

ost

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:24:13 PM EDT

[#8]

That's almost a "worst case", it sure sucks but at least him and his wife are free and healthy, and together.

That's the whole point, isn't it?

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:26:37 PM EDT

[#9]

Did he post a AAR on the home invasion or is it just the linked thread?

Nevermind, I found it...

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xdtalk-chatter-box/160796-home-invasion-oklahoma-mine.html

He has even more about it in other threads.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:27:30 PM EDT

[#10]

shouldn't the first step be the police??? unless part of the story is missing.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:29:12 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Did he post a AAR on the home invasion or is it just the linked thread?

He has two other threads about it:

The things we learned from the home invasion in Oklahoma

Home invasion in Oklahoma, mine

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:30:04 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
shouldn't the first step be the police??? unless part of the story is missing.

I think the police were called when they should have been.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:30:28 PM EDT

[#13]

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:30:28 PM EDT

[#14]

OST

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:33:11 PM EDT

[#15]

that suck. I feel bad for them, here you protect your family and than you have to deal with this BS.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:34:51 PM EDT

[#16]

Awesome to see the dead guy on the floor just inside the front door!!!!

Dead guy down!!!

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:35:35 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

I would hazard a guess it was done out of concern for the emotions of his wife and children, not for practical reasons.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:35:43 PM EDT

[#18]

I hope it all works out in the end for them.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:38:05 PM EDT

[#19]

I'm in.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:38:56 PM EDT

[#20]

I still have to work to support my family and pay to put food on the table while these criminals get to sit on their butts, eat the provided meals in crap in their own toilet. You tell me where the justice is for us, the law abiding citizens also known as the victim also known as the taxpaying citizen that is paying for their free ride?!!!

Amen, brother....amen.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:41:48 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

I would hazard a guess it was done out of concern for the emotions of his wife and children, not for practical reasons.

Says his family was receiving death threats from the dirt bags homies. Real nice of the media to put a map and pictures of their freaking house right below the article.

http://www.koco.com/news/25462435/detail.html

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:44:50 PM EDT

[#22]

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:47:40 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

I would hazard a guess it was done out of concern for the emotions of his wife and children, not for practical reasons.

Says his family was receiving death threats from the dirt bags homies. Real nice of the media to put a map and pictures of their freaking house right below the article.

http://www.koco.com/news/25462435/detail.html

I would be livid. There should be a law to protect individuals identities in these instances.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:49:14 PM EDT

[#24]

You know, I have to wonder what the response would be if this guy would have been an ARFcom regular?

I have a feeling he would have had several "new" guns within a few hours and other guys pulling guard duty at his home.

I heart ARFcom.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:50:27 PM EDT

[#25]

Work keeps me away from home most of the time. I worry about this.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:51:44 PM EDT

[#26]

Haven't read the threads yet, but it's sure good to hear they all made it through the break-in. I'm wondering if she is military. Good shooting and courage in any case.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:51:55 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

I guess my threat assessment of a random death threat is different than theirs.

And Swingset had a good idea too, that it's not exactly because of a death threat, but more of a trauma thing. Which is completely understandable.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:53:52 PM EDT

[#28]

I've thought about that a lot recently. I would have my wife stay with her mother, and the thugs could bring it. I'd be sleeping with my AR and Glock.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:54:04 PM EDT

[#29]

The fact that the gang wants to get "revenge" on their family makes me ill. I hope every single one of those dirtbags die a painful death.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:54:54 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

I guess my threat assessment of a random death threat is different than theirs.

And Swingset had a good idea too, that it's not exactly because of a death threat, but more of a trauma thing. Which is completely understandable.

His house had already been encircled once by associates of the guys his wife shot, and local law enforcement assessed there was a 100% chance of retaliation. Not exactly a "random threat."

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:57:02 PM EDT

[#31]

I think you might be right.

Quoted:

You know, I have to wonder what the response would be if this guy would have been an ARFcom regular?

I have a feeling he would have had several "new" guns within a few hours and other guys pulling guard duty at his home.

I heart ARFcom.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:58:21 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
shouldn't the first step be the police??? unless part of the story is missing.

You should expand on that. When I read it, I was thinking "in the event of a home invasion? No, survival, then police." Then I realized that you might be talking about getting the police to do something about the death threats that occurred after the home invasion. Context is everything, and I'm guessing that I'm missing it.

Posted: 11/18/2010 7:59:52 PM EDT

[#33]

Has a fund been set up for the family?

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:00:00 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

I guess my threat assessment of a random death threat is different than theirs.

And Swingset had a good idea too, that it's not exactly because of a death threat, but more of a trauma thing. Which is completely understandable.

His house had already been encircled once by associates of the guys his wife shot, and local law enforcement assessed there was a 100% chance of retaliation. Not exactly a "random threat."

No kidding.

I feel bad that the wife/mom has to deal with the fact she took a life simply due to the arrogance of lesser life forms (the thugs that broke in). However, good on her and her husband for doing whatever it takes to protect their family.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:01:28 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Has a fund been set up for the family?

See what I mean? Not even a member here...

I didn't read anyone at that site offer that.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:01:33 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

if you have kids and a wife, you may think differently

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:03:25 PM EDT

[#37]

And there they go again broadcasting the address of the victims. Good Grief. Idiots.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:03:29 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

I guess my threat assessment of a random death threat is different than theirs.

And Swingset had a good idea too, that it's not exactly because of a death threat, but more of a trauma thing. Which is completely understandable.

His house had already been encircled once by associates of the guys his wife shot, and local law enforcement assessed there was a 100% chance of retaliation. Not exactly a "random threat."

You have two choices:

1) Refuse to back down, and not let low lifes scare you out of your home.
2) Move out of your home, fall into financial ruin, and vent about it on the internet.

Every man has to do what they think is right. I know what I'd do.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:06:33 PM EDT

[#39]

How do you sell the house? In this market, with the savings they had (all gone now), with the publicity and the thugs?

I wouldn't buy it, I'll say that much. Maybe a few years from now, sure, but not any time in the close future.

I feel for them. Young family, just starting out, not even a backup weapon available to replace the one taken as evidence...

They did everything right and still ended up screwed. I know that's the reality of life that sometimes shit happens, but that doesn't make it any less painful when it's you on that particular end of the stick.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:06:34 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

I guess my threat assessment of a random death threat is different than theirs.

And Swingset had a good idea too, that it's not exactly because of a death threat, but more of a trauma thing. Which is completely understandable.

His house had already been encircled once by associates of the guys his wife shot, and local law enforcement assessed there was a 100% chance of retaliation. Not exactly a "random threat."

why dont the police DO SOMETHING about that then.
they know who is in the gang.
DO YOUR FUCKING JOB instead of spouting off the families address, childrens ages, etc.
so now the gang knows to look at a certain school based on the kids age range.
fucking brilliant job there barny fife!

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:08:31 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

I guess my threat assessment of a random death threat is different than theirs.

And Swingset had a good idea too, that it's not exactly because of a death threat, but more of a trauma thing. Which is completely understandable.

His house had already been encircled once by associates of the guys his wife shot, and local law enforcement assessed there was a 100% chance of retaliation. Not exactly a "random threat."

You have two choices:

1) Refuse to back down, and not let low lifes scare you out of your home.
2) Move out of your home, fall into financial ruin, and vent about it on the internet.

Every man has to do what they think is right. I know what I'd do.

False dichotomy. There are more potential options than just that. They all carry risks. All I'll say on that is that the legal concept of "imminent danger" needs to be redefined, and even that doesn't cover other options.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:08:46 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

I guess my threat assessment of a random death threat is different than theirs.

And Swingset had a good idea too, that it's not exactly because of a death threat, but more of a trauma thing. Which is completely understandable.

His house had already been encircled once by associates of the guys his wife shot, and local law enforcement assessed there was a 100% chance of retaliation. Not exactly a "random threat."

You have two choices:

1) Refuse to back down, and not let low lifes scare you out of your home.
2) Move out of your home, fall into financial ruin, and vent about it on the internet.

Every man has to do what they think is right. I know what I'd do.

3) Choose not to be a moron and protect his wife and kids against a real and credible threat by getting them away from the house.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:09:20 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
The fact that the gang wants to get "revenge" on their family makes me ill. I hope every single one of those dirtbags die a painful death.

I thought the same thing about this gay ass 'revenge'.

I wish this guy lived close to me. I'd be more than happy to hang out on his couch with my Saiga 12.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:09:22 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

I guess my threat assessment of a random death threat is different than theirs.

And Swingset had a good idea too, that it's not exactly because of a death threat, but more of a trauma thing. Which is completely understandable.

His house had already been encircled once by associates of the guys his wife shot, and local law enforcement assessed there was a 100% chance of retaliation. Not exactly a "random threat."

You have two choices:

1) Refuse to back down, and not let low lifes scare you out of your home.
2) Move out of your home, fall into financial ruin, and vent about it on the internet.

Every man has to do what they think is right. I know what I'd do.

camera system, motion sensors on perimeter of the property, friends pulling guard duty.
police doing their fucking job and patrolling the area and harassing the gang, arresting them, etc.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:11:14 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
You know, I have to wonder what the response would be if this guy would have been an ARFcom regular?

I have a feeling he would have had several "new" guns within a few hours and other guys pulling guard duty at his home.

I heart ARFcom.

Nothing says we can't help them anyway! I would donate some cash if someone who knows them can set up a place to donate.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:13:22 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

I honestly don't understand moving out of the house because of death threats.

Well the gang bangers are animals and want to kill the family for killing one and shooting the other gang member. Probably they would burn the house down in the middle of the night with the family in it if they were there. So, what don't you understand?

I guess my threat assessment of a random death threat is different than theirs.

And Swingset had a good idea too, that it's not exactly because of a death threat, but more of a trauma thing. Which is completely understandable.

His house had already been encircled once by associates of the guys his wife shot, and local law enforcement assessed there was a 100% chance of retaliation. Not exactly a "random threat."

You have two choices:

1) Refuse to back down, and not let low lifes scare you out of your home.
2) Move out of your home, fall into financial ruin, and vent about it on the internet.

Every man has to do what they think is right. I know what I'd do.

It's not what you'd do.
It's what you'd make your wife do.

If you're a thug and you know the husband works while the mom stays home with the kids, are you going to attack when they're both there or when there's only one person that can possibly fight back? And are you going to start with threats or are you just going to come in shooting?

By staying, you're telling your wife that she has to be vigilant every second you're not around. She has to be in constant fear of her life and the lives of her children. She has to remain armed 24/7 with as much firepower as you both can afford. She must man a post - while still trying to be a mom, a wife and somehow remain sane.

Even soldiers in a war zone have a buddy, a fire team and a platoon. They know they've got people watching their backs all the time. And a radio to bring in more friends quicker than a 15-minute trip from the PD. And they get a break occasionally.

She's got two kids who don't even understand the concept of violence and death.

It doesn't matter how good my wife is with a rifle. I can't ask her to do that.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:14:44 PM EDT

[#47]

camera system, motion sensors on perimeter of the property, friends pulling guard duty.
police doing their fucking job and patrolling the area and harassing the gang, arresting them, etc.

Shit never goes down how you want it to. If I had to bet, that kind of thing would turn into a "Hey man, I was never there essay, just ask my friend here..."

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:17:20 PM EDT

[#48]

They're alive.

Yeah, home invasion isn't going to be cool. Having someone die in your family home with your family witness to that isn't cool. Having to have your home be a crime scene and living out of a suit case having to hire an attorney (just in case) isn't cool. Personal protection orders and death threats aren't fun.

I'll tell you this though I'll take all the bad everyday over losing one of my loved ones lives. In time things will pass. They'll get a new home and pull their lives back together. Things will never be "the same," because life changes when you realize how easy it is to lose or take. For all the burden they'll carry though know this that the dead only know one thing and that's that it's better to be alive.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:19:05 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:

camera system, motion sensors on perimeter of the property, friends pulling guard duty.
police doing their fucking job and patrolling the area and harassing the gang, arresting them, etc.

Shit never goes down how you want it to. If I had to bet, that kind of thing would turn into a "Hey man, I was never there essay, just ask my friend here..."

no doubt.
the cameras and perimeter sensors would be for the house occupants piece of mind.

i would begin to sand bag my home, and have a whole bunch of unpleasant things around the home.
hell i would build a fucking wall around my property, have it always illuminated with flood lights.
then again i have the capital to throw at this. i would send the wife and kids away, and i would deal with these assholes.
this guy is mil right?
does he have any buddies who are a combat MOS?
have them stay over, free room and board.
women and children out, more like minded men, in.
problem solved.

thinking of this situation in my current home scares the shit out of me. lots of glass and flammable siding.

Posted: 11/18/2010 8:20:12 PM EDT

[#50]

as a gun owner you can't help but to put yourself in that guys shoes.

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