Quoted: This idea is based on 555Rs great idea of using bic pen bodys to block mags. Thanks Jonas! I have been expermenting with everything from stripper clips to paint stirrers to empty 30-06 casings shoved into the bottom of a 30 rounder. Its always a problem getting the right measurment or having the block move. I wanted to find something that everybody could get and use without having to modify it. Well, I FOUND IT! This is so easy to do, even my New Jersey toxic wasted brain finds it simple. You need to use Bic Round Stick Grip pens. (You can buy 8-12 of them for about $2 or less!) photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=917&iGalleryUnq=1129&iImageUnq=30303 photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=917&iGalleryUnq=1129&iImageUnq=30304 photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=917&iGalleryUnq=1129&iImageUnq=30305 photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=917&iGalleryUnq=1129&iImageUnq=30306 The only mod you may need to make is shaving a little extra off of the end butt plug. Its glued in so you will need to cut it off or you may be able to knock it out somehow. photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=917&iGalleryUnq=1129&iImageUnq=30307 The mags will fit 15 rounds, with the 15 th being a little tight! Disclaimer, all mags used in this demo have always been blocked to less then 15 rounds. It is YOUR responsibility to make sure that YOUR mags are blocked to the legal limit!

Now if 555R can figure out a way to EXTEND a magazine for his Barrett to HOLD 30 rounds, he'd be my HERO

BTW, great idea. Thanks for posting pics Frank for us newbies.

jeez do you think i need to hurt myself any more
that day I had a wicked migraine and a huge bruise on my shoulder
its fun for the first few shots but after that the fun fades
i havent taken it out since
thanks for the credit but dont ask me how i figured out the bic pen idea
it just worked better than wood dowels
and it doesnt rattle or bind the springs

I bought 6 orlites for like 2 bucks each, heavily used.  I put fifteen rounds in , found the follower, screwed in a short screw under it.  

If I ever bring my rifles here, those are what I'd use.

well from what I gather however
the AG did officially ban blocked hi caps
which means I have to buy a few of the
lame low cap mags for both my ak and ar
how stupid is this law and why base the long gun capacity
on the handgun mags
NJ sux the big one

I thought we settled that the new fifteen round modification ban was a hoax.

Quoted: well from what I gather however the AG did officially ban blocked hi caps which means I have to buy a few of the lame low cap mags for both my ak and ar how stupid is this law and why base the long gun capacity on the handgun mags NJ sux the big one

The Mapster called the Staties, and they said as of now NOTHING has changed.

Where are you getting this info?

i ran into some gun dealer while at brick armory
I think its Jimbo on this site
maybe he can shed light on this
and why is Ft dix not allowing them
unless its my buddy trying to harass me again
not that its happened to me yet

Quoted: i ran into some gun dealer while at brick armory I think its Jimbo on this site maybe he can shed light on this and why is Ft dix not allowing them unless its my buddy trying to harass me again not that its happened to me yet

Hmm I have never been botherd with my mags at Ft Dix for my BAR as they were 20 rounders, blocked to 15rds.  ETA I have also seen other people with mags that were blocked and nothing was said to them.

Quoted: i ran into some gun dealer while at brick armory I think its Jimbo on this site maybe he can shed light on this and why is Ft dix not allowing them unless its my buddy trying to harass me again not that its happened to me yet

Didn't Phil say the same thing about the mags a few weeks ago?

MAP actually called the State Police and talked to the man in charge and he said that there has been no change as of yet to existing law.

Yup Phil told me the same thing a week or so ago
and M1Matt
is that so...i think someone at Dix really doesnt like me then...
how odd is that

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Quoted: Yup Phil told me the same thing a week or so ago and M1Matt is that so...i think someone at Dix really doesnt like me then... how odd is that

Is this your buddy who was in the tower at the last shoot? or has it been other range officers?.  

Is there any reason that this specific type of BIC must be used? That standard BICs that I've seen, with the white barrel, have a removeable end cap that might solve the length issue. I'm just curious, thanks for the good info.

Ah, I missed that completely. All the radon on my drinking water must be affecting my brain. Thanks!

frank sorry about the hijack
I used the white barrel bic but you in your infinite wisdom and reasearch came up with the shorter bic pen
I had to cut a few times with the white bic pen
sooooooooo

I guess yours is version 1.5


and M1 it was the guy in the tower that day

sweet pictorial, FrankSquid.  
very nice.

Read Blocked mags in NJ

FrankSquid's method can also be used on 20 round magazines.

1. Break off the spring tab at the magazine base.
2. Cut the pen body to about 1.3" (between the S & A in USA).
3. Use a 30 round follower that has the extended center post.
4. Use a 30 round floor plate, as it has the tabs to hold it in place.

May I also suggest super glueing the pen body in place.  Sort of makes it a "permanently blocked magazine".

Sounds like a great idea. Anyone know why I can't see the pics attached?

I don't remember the last ruling per say, Rob, can you shead some light on this.  From the last shoot, it was said something to the affect of "Do You Want To Be The Test Case In Court For This".  I rather not.

Oh no!! Not this subject again.
Actually, I'm glad to see these pics again. I have some mags to convert.

FWIW, went here..   http://www.state.nj.us/lps/rules/njsp/rp010702a.htm

found this....

N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.2 is amended to clarify that the definition of a large
capacity ammunition magazine does not include an ammunition magazine that has
been permanently altered so that it is not capable of holding more than 15
rounds of ammunition. The definition is further amended to include an
ammunition magazine which has been temporarily blocked from holding more than
15 rounds, as by a piece of wood or a pin. The New Jersey Supreme Court has
determined that in N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1f, the term firearm was defined "not in
terms of operability, but in terms of what the weapon was designed to do." See
State v. Gantt, 101 N.J. 573, 583 (1986). A device no longer retains the
characteristics of a firearm when "it has undergone such substantial alteration
or mutilation that the instrument has completely and permanently lost the
characteristics of a real gun." Id. At 590 (emphasis added). Based on the plain
language of the statute and case law, the amendment modifies the definition of
a "large capacity ammunition magazine" by inserting the word "permanently" in
between "been" and "altered."

 The State recognizes that some of its representatives may have provided
informal advice to the effect that an ammunition magazine may be temporarily
blocked to hold no more than 15 rounds; however, the Attorney General has never
expressly adopted this position. To the contrary, through the promulgation of
this regulation, the State expressly rejects that interpretation of the
statute. Any person who currently owns or possesses an ammunition magazine
which has been temporarily blocked from holding more than 15 rounds is hereby
advised that he or she may retain possession of that ammunition magazine until
the effective date of this amendment, that is, the date the notice of its
adoption by the Division of State Police is published by the Office of
Administrative Law in the New Jersey Register, see N.J.A.C. 1:30-6.6. During
this time period, a person who owns or possesses an ammunition magazine which
has been temporarily blocked from holding more than 15 rounds shall either: (1)
transfer such ammunition magazine to any person or firm lawfully entitled to
own or possess a large capacity ammunition magazine; (2) render such ammunition
magazine permanently incapable of holding more than 15 rounds; or (3)
voluntarily surrender the ammunition magazine pursuant to the provisions of  
N.J.S.A. 2C:39-12. After the effective date of this amendment, a person who
owns or possesses an ammunition magazine which has been temporarily blocked
from holding more than 15 rounds shall voluntarily surrender the ammunition
magazine pursuant to the provisions of N.J.S.A. 2C:39-12 or risk prosecution
for unlawful possession of a large capacity magazine pursuant to N.J.S.A.
2C:39-3(j). Finally, N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.2 has been amended to include a
definition of "pistol grip" and "semi-automatic." These definitions are
identical to those contained in N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1(z) and (x), respectively.
Specifically, "pistol grip" has been defined to mean a well-defined handle,
similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the
action of the weapon, and which permits the shotgun to be held and fired with
one hand, and "semi-automatic" has been defined to mean a firearm which fires a
single projectile for each single pull of the trigger and is self-reloading or
automatically chambers a round, cartridge or bullet.

From what I can tell that was a proposed rule change that was NOT adopted.  More info on Nappen's web site HERE about 2/3s down the page.

What a waste of a perfectly good pen and hi-cap magazine.

I feel for you.  Albany is capable of generating some asinine laws too.

So blocked mags are now a no-go in NJ. Man, this is getting confusing.

This was a proposed change in 2002 that has not taken effect yet.    But sources say it will come to be.

Quoted: From what I can tell that was a proposed rule change that was NOT adopted.  More info on Nappen's web site HERE about 2/3s down the page.

Looking at this part....
"The State recognizes that some of its representatives may have provided
informal advice to the effect that an ammunition magazine may be temporarily
blocked to hold no more than 15 rounds; however, the Attorney General has never
expressly adopted this position. ".....
I believe that this is all that is going to be required to allow some eager beaver prosecutor to nail our nads to the wall. Remember, this is New Jersey where gun owners are treated like criminals who are temporarily being allowed to "get away with it."

I when to school in New Jersey ( Paterson/ Hopatcong ) and I am glade I live in Tulsa, You all need to get together and do something about this SOCIALISTIC STATE , Deal with the criminals ( Ho!that cost money to keep them in jail ) so we the STATE REPRESENTATIVES will inpose Gun laws on all New Jersey gun owners... ..... YOU HAVE THE POWER OF THE VOTE !  You all can do something about this Police State , Ammoman of Governor,  Do something?  Sorry for the troll  but I just could not sit here and read this without  expressing my outrage.....  ar_daddy      

btt

Quoted: I when to school in New Jersey ( Paterson/ Hopatcong ) and I am glade I live in Tulsa, You all need to get together and do something about this SOCIALISTIC STATE , Deal with the criminals ( Ho!that cost money to keep them in jail ) so we the STATE REPRESENTATIVES will inpose Gun laws on all New Jersey gun owners... ..... YOU HAVE THE POWER OF THE VOTE !  You all can do something about this Police State , Ammoman of Governor,  Do something?  Sorry for the troll  but I just could not sit here and read this without  expressing my outrage.....  ar_daddy

I can see that you truly are a product of the Paterson Public school system!

I went to Sarco's the other day, and they were still selling blocked mags.  

NJ is going to stay gun unfreindly.   Are next governor is going to be Corzine, and he is a rich elitist that does not support the 2ND.  I am moving out when I retire.(I have to live in NJ because I am a COP, or get terminated).  The is being chalenged.  I just have to wait and see.

btt