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Posted: 1/15/2010 10:13:11 PM EDT

[#1]

Good to see the TSRA on this. The promoter and the .gov agencies that are trying to pull this off just opened a large can of whoop ass they were not looking for.

Posted: 1/15/2010 10:52:45 PM EDT

[#2]

Having family in the Austin area, all I hear is how liberal that whole city is becoming with all of the immigrants from Kali. This great state will go to total shit if KBH(Dumocrat)is elected Gov!!! Don't think for a second King Obama and his czars aren't behind it all!!!

Posted: 1/16/2010 12:17:15 AM EDT

[#3]

Dang!

Tag for outcome. Methinks someone stepped into the proverbial fire-ants.

Posted: 1/16/2010 12:41:12 AM EDT

[#4]

So if you put out pictures of the firearms you want to sell and then walked outside to the parking lot or possibly across the street to get off the property and then execute the transaction between two private individuals would that be ok?

Sounds to be like someone needs to lawyer up and test this out.

Posted: 1/16/2010 3:21:31 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
So if you put out pictures of the firearms you want to sell and then walked outside to the parking lot or possibly across the street to get off the property and then execute the transaction between two private individuals would that be ok?

Sounds to be like someone needs to lawyer up and test this out.

Why not just be a fucking man and sell it in the show instead of pussy footing around? It's not illegal. What the fuck can they do about it?

Posted: 1/16/2010 3:29:55 AM EDT

[#6]

So A.P.D. pushing this eh... [inserts 'surprised face' here!]

All Hail the "Caliph from Cali" - A.P.D.'s own maximum Jefe, our own Art Avocado for bringing his "enlightened" ways to us Texans.

I'd say this is Media "Go Time'... Glen Beck, Rush, heck even Alex Jones ought to know about this, air a story and most importantly Get the B.A.T.F.E. and A.P.D. to answer questions about this "enlightened policy". Lets turn some media spotlight on an false and illegal practice to see if the J.B.T.s "see the light after feeling the heat".

I'm sure those "gun ban heros" would spin this illegal attack on our rights (both gun, personal property and personal freedom) all as a brave attempt to [lefty media spin] "Make our streets safe for children and kittens (who doesn't love kittens) and stop murderous drug violence by an "innovative and new" attempt to "plug the Deadly "Gun Show Loophole" that allows Felons, Drug Cartels and Gangs to easily buy super deadly .50 cals that can shoot down airliners or 'machine guns / assault weapons' that spray bullets to kill cops or massacre masses of children & kittens without even going through the "Brady" background check" what would prevent every illegal sale and save lives. [/lefty media spin]

Someone needs to let our friends in the media know about this B.S. and make the parties involved give ANSWERS as to why they are forcing this illegal restriction of our rights to do as we wish while not violating the law with our own property.

BIGGER_HAMMER

Posted: 1/16/2010 4:08:31 AM EDT

[#7]

the dude running the show needs legal council or a lawyer. let me quote Texas Constitution:

" Texas: Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime. Art. I, § 23 (enacted 1876)."

WEARING OF ARMS, thats it. i was under the impression thats the ONLY gun law Texas is allowed when it comes to guns.

Posted: 1/16/2010 7:53:36 AM EDT

[#8]

Art needs to go back to cali asap. We need to get local news media involved or move the show to wilco or both!

Posted: 1/16/2010 8:26:55 AM EDT

[#9]

Texas Gun Trader is down? Wonder what the reason is for?

Posted: 1/16/2010 8:27:10 AM EDT

[#10]

It seems obvious to me that either the APD or BATFE wants this promoter to lose money promoting this gun show. They know that onerous sales requirments will discourage attendance.

The way to fight this is for you Austin guys to go to this show and support the promoter.
Let the APD and the undercover BATFE agents know that Texans will not let gun shows be run out of our towns.

I keep seeing posts about f-ing the promoter but I am willing to bet the APD or BATFE dropped this little surprise on the promoter well after the promoter spent I am guessing 15 to 30K on advertising and another large sum leasing the venue. I doubt this promoter can afford to piss away 30k to make an unplanned principled point, he is trying to just break even at this point.

Their new tactic appears to be going after the promoters of gun shows. This cant be allowed to succeed in Austin and then spread across Texas.

HK Ag

Posted: 1/16/2010 8:47:14 AM EDT

[#11]

We should put that a-hole Art Avacado and all his officers on notice that we will demand that any officer enforcing this ILLEGAL suppression of our rights be charged with Official Suppression...

§ 39.03. OFFICIAL OPPRESSION. (a) A public servant
acting under color of his office or employment commits an offense if
he:
(1) intentionally subjects another to mistreatment or
to arrest, detention, search, seizure, dispossession, assessment,
or lien that he knows is unlawful;
(2) intentionally denies or impedes another in the
exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power, or immunity,
knowing his conduct is unlawful; or
(3) intentionally subjects another to sexual
harassment.
(b) For purposes of this section, a public servant acts
under color of his office or employment if he acts or purports to
act in an official capacity or takes advantage of such actual or
purported capacity.
(c) In this section, "sexual harassment" means unwelcome
sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other verbal or
physical conduct of a sexual nature, submission to which is made a
term or condition of a person's exercise or enjoyment of any right,
privilege, power, or immunity, either explicitly or implicitly.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 1217, § 1, eff. Sept. 1,
1989; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 16, § 19.01(34), eff. Aug. 26,
1991. Renumbered from V.T.C.A., Penal Code § 39.02 by Acts 1993,
73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

Posted: 1/16/2010 10:19:34 AM EDT

[#12]

Here's the link again:

Contact Us

I think it's a good idea to have the promoter spend some time reading polite, but firm requests for an explanation on exactly which laws he is now apparently enforcing.

Give him a chance to really think about his actions and come up with a logical response to the hoards of irritated gun owners.

Posted: 1/16/2010 11:12:08 AM EDT

[#13]

Gotta love the show slogan "Everything Else Is Just Backwards"

..............and his first name,Darwin.

Posted: 1/16/2010 12:02:49 PM EDT

[#14]

Message of protest sent to Mr. B.

.
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Posted: 1/16/2010 12:24:19 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
We should put that a-hole Art Avacado and all his officers on notice that we will demand that any officer enforcing this ILLEGAL suppression of our rights be charged with Official Suppression...

§ 39.03. OFFICIAL OPPRESSION. (a) A public servant
acting under color of his office or employment commits an offense if
he:
(1) intentionally subjects another to mistreatment or
to arrest, detention, search, seizure, dispossession, assessment,
or lien that he knows is unlawful;
(2) intentionally denies or impedes another in the
exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power, or immunity,
knowing his conduct is unlawful; or
(3) intentionally subjects another to sexual
harassment.
(b) For purposes of this section, a public servant acts
under color of his office or employment if he acts or purports to
act in an official capacity or takes advantage of such actual or
purported capacity.
(c) In this section, "sexual harassment" means unwelcome
sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other verbal or
physical conduct of a sexual nature, submission to which is made a
term or condition of a person's exercise or enjoyment of any right,
privilege, power, or immunity, either explicitly or implicitly.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 1217, § 1, eff. Sept. 1,
1989; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 16, § 19.01(34), eff. Aug. 26,
1991. Renumbered from V.T.C.A., Penal Code § 39.02 by Acts 1993,
73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

the problem is, who would one file that charge with?

Posted: 1/16/2010 1:33:01 PM EDT

[#16]

Wow, just wow... I can't believe this is happening.

I sent a message asking why this was happening to the holders of the show.

Posted: 1/16/2010 1:58:56 PM EDT

[#17]

Some info I received. Kinda puts this whole thing in prospective. If true, APD has declared war on Gun Shows in Austin. Would also provide juice to other cities if it works.

i heard from someone who spoke to the show promoter. show promoter was
told by Austin PD that they are acting on some sort of public nuisance
city ordinance. their "data" or gun traces or what not show that a
large percentage of guns taken off of the streets in Austin allegedly
have come from the Austin gun show, sold hand-to-hand or via "private
collectors" with no background checks. not that any of this is probably
true, but the PD believes, or claims to have data, that the illegal
guns on the streets of Austin are coming from the gun show. so, they
are acting on a "public nuisance" ordinance that supposedly will allow
them to simply shut down the gun show if they can get a court order or
something. insofar as arrests, who knows. my friend set up at the show
last night and said that the venue is 25% full only and that alot of
dealers or "non-FFL dealers" or what not backed out due to the undue
attention they will be getting. also there is rumor that the State
Comptroller's Office may be showing up to see who is delinquent on
sales tax, or who doesn't have a Texas Resale Certificate at all.
looks like APD is using the muscle of other agencies to make it
uncomfortable for anyone to operate an Austin show which will most
likely result in the show dying by itself. with low attendance and
strict "rules" in place, that, are simply made up and illegal, the APD
hopes to shut down the show.
so, anyone seen doing a hand-to-hand, while 100% legal, will
probably be spoken to, or at least videoed, and then this will be used
to shut down the gun show there. personally i think APD is clearly
overstepping their boundaries, but they seem to think that due to their
public nuisance ordinance they all of a sudden can mandate what can and
cannot happen in a gun show.

This info is second hand and I have not verified it. But the source I got it from has provided reliable info in the past.

Posted: 1/16/2010 3:29:50 PM EDT

[#18]

Sounds like the state attorney general needs to get involved. They, APD are definately violating state and federal laws and should be held accountable or charged with crimes.

Posted: 1/16/2010 3:53:45 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Sounds like the state attorney general needs to get involved. They, APD are definately violating state and federal laws and should be held accountable or charged with crimes.

Glad you suggested this.

I have just sent the AG a note along with a note to our local talk show radio.

Lets flood the AG's office with respectful notes about this.

If a PD can use the nuisnance ordanance to stop a lawful act then can we not file on the PD for lawfully enforcing the law. It is a nuisance to some people after all.

Posted: 1/16/2010 4:40:30 PM EDT

[#20]

Ok, so what happened today? Did anyone go there?

Posted: 1/16/2010 4:48:42 PM EDT

[#21]

How I remember Austin Gun Shows.
Austin City Gov. seems to always have hated gun shows.

I moved to Austin in 1976, TxDot was finishing double decking I-35 and 183 past Balcones CC was a two lane road, MoPac was under construction.

Austin gun show was held at the old, old Austin Coliseum near Auditorium shores, I remember it always being a good show and always packed. No live ammo but never the less a good show. Then the show was moved to the newer, now older or gone Austin Coliseum (IIRC), show seemed smaller now and still no live ammo. Then the City council decided that it would not allow such a terrible thing to happen on city property and told the Texas Gun & Knife Show to take a hike and they left the Austin market completely if I'm correct. Saxet then moved in to the Austin market at the old Best Products building on 290 east of I-35, always a packed show and NOW live ammo. Later the present Crockett building was their venue location, always packed.

Does anyone know what happened with the Saxet show??? Did something like this piss them off and they told Austin to piss up a rope?
I moved from the Austin area in 2004 and went west 160 miles to small town ville.

I hope Art Avocado chokes on his next dip of guacamole.

GM15

Posted: 1/16/2010 5:09:24 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
We should put that a-hole Art Avacado and all his officers on notice that we will demand that any officer enforcing this ILLEGAL suppression of our rights be charged with Official Suppression...

§ 39.03. OFFICIAL OPPRESSION. (a) A public servant
acting under color of his office or employment commits an offense if
he:
(1) intentionally subjects another to mistreatment or
to arrest, detention, search, seizure, dispossession, assessment,
or lien that he knows is unlawful;
(2) intentionally denies or impedes another in the
exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power, or immunity,
knowing his conduct is unlawful; or
(3) intentionally subjects another to sexual
harassment.
(b) For purposes of this section, a public servant acts
under color of his office or employment if he acts or purports to
act in an official capacity or takes advantage of such actual or
purported capacity.
(c) In this section, "sexual harassment" means unwelcome
sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other verbal or
physical conduct of a sexual nature, submission to which is made a
term or condition of a person's exercise or enjoyment of any right,
privilege, power, or immunity, either explicitly or implicitly.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 1217, § 1, eff. Sept. 1,
1989; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 16, § 19.01(34), eff. Aug. 26,
1991. Renumbered from V.T.C.A., Penal Code § 39.02 by Acts 1993,
73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

the problem is, who would one file that charge with?

That is a problem... Who is in charge of policing the Police? County? DPS? Texas Rangers?

Posted: 1/16/2010 5:18:13 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
We should put that a-hole Art Avacado and all his officers on notice that we will demand that any officer enforcing this ILLEGAL suppression of our rights be charged with Official Suppression...

§ 39.03. OFFICIAL OPPRESSION. (a) A public servant
acting under color of his office or employment commits an offense if
he:
(1) intentionally subjects another to mistreatment or
to arrest, detention, search, seizure, dispossession, assessment,
or lien that he knows is unlawful;
(2) intentionally denies or impedes another in the
exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power, or immunity,
knowing his conduct is unlawful; or
(3) intentionally subjects another to sexual
harassment.
(b) For purposes of this section, a public servant acts
under color of his office or employment if he acts or purports to
act in an official capacity or takes advantage of such actual or
purported capacity.
(c) In this section, "sexual harassment" means unwelcome
sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other verbal or
physical conduct of a sexual nature, submission to which is made a
term or condition of a person's exercise or enjoyment of any right,
privilege, power, or immunity, either explicitly or implicitly.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 1217, § 1, eff. Sept. 1,
1989; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 16, § 19.01(34), eff. Aug. 26,
1991. Renumbered from V.T.C.A., Penal Code § 39.02 by Acts 1993,
73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

the problem is, who would one file that charge with?

That is a problem... Who is in charge of policing the Police? County? DPS? Texas Rangers?

Dunno, coast guard?

Posted: 1/16/2010 5:39:49 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
We should put that a-hole Art Avacado and all his officers on notice that we will demand that any officer enforcing this ILLEGAL suppression of our rights be charged with Official Suppression...

§ 39.03. OFFICIAL OPPRESSION. (a) A public servant
acting under color of his office or employment commits an offense if
he:
(1) intentionally subjects another to mistreatment or
to arrest, detention, search, seizure, dispossession, assessment,
or lien that he knows is unlawful;
(2) intentionally denies or impedes another in the
exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power, or immunity,
knowing his conduct is unlawful; or
(3) intentionally subjects another to sexual
harassment.
(b) For purposes of this section, a public servant acts
under color of his office or employment if he acts or purports to
act in an official capacity or takes advantage of such actual or
purported capacity.
(c) In this section, "sexual harassment" means unwelcome
sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other verbal or
physical conduct of a sexual nature, submission to which is made a
term or condition of a person's exercise or enjoyment of any right,
privilege, power, or immunity, either explicitly or implicitly.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 1217, § 1, eff. Sept. 1,
1989; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 16, § 19.01(34), eff. Aug. 26,
1991. Renumbered from V.T.C.A., Penal Code § 39.02 by Acts 1993,
73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

the problem is, who would one file that charge with?

That is a problem... Who is in charge of policing the Police? County? DPS? Texas Rangers?

The Sheriff, if a police department becomes corrupt the Sheriff takes over. The U.S. govenment is set up as the Sheriff holds all the power. All a police department is, is a private security company given power by the city.

APD is quite a corrupt department has been for years, it's time to call Ott on the carpet since he is Arcavedo's boss.

Posted: 1/16/2010 6:37:30 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
How I remember Austin Gun Shows.
Austin City Gov. seems to always have hated gun shows.

I moved to Austin in 1976, TxDot was finishing double decking I-35 and 183 past Balcones CC was a two lane road, MoPac was under construction.

Austin gun show was held at the old, old Austin Coliseum near Auditorium shores, I remember it always being a good show and always packed. No live ammo but never the less a good show. Then the show was moved to the newer, now older or gone Austin Coliseum (IIRC), show seemed smaller now and still no live ammo. Then the City council decided that it would not allow such a terrible thing to happen on city property and told the Texas Gun & Knife Show to take a hike and they left the Austin market completely if I'm correct. Saxet then moved in to the Austin market at the old Best Products building on 290 east of I-35, always a packed show and NOW live ammo. Later the present Crockett building was their venue location, always packed.

Does anyone know what happened with the Saxet show??? Did something like this piss them off and they told Austin to piss up a rope?
I moved from the Austin area in 2004 and went west 160 miles to small town ville.

I hope Art Avocado chokes on his next dip of guacamole.

GM15

Saxet supposedly had a disagreement with the building management over the condition of the building ie" leaky roof, ac/heat never working right and such. They are now looking into a new place for a show.

Update on what I have done" I sent emails to the state ag's office, my local senator and klbj radio. The ony one to reply has been the news director of klbj. He says he will investigate what is going on. He also expressed concern over the abuse or appearance of abuse of the law(he is a heavy gun supporter). We'll see what happens.

Posted: 1/16/2010 6:55:17 PM EDT

[#26]

Newest info, again second hand.

***UNCONFIRMED*** as i was not there. i was informed by a good friend
of mine who was present at the gun show today that two people
conducting a private party transaction without having a FFL dealer
performing a 4473 and FBI NICS Background Check were arrested.
i have no reason to doubt this, but i also have not seen anything in the news to confirm it. as of now this is unconfirmed.
now i am not certain any arrest was made. also i am not certain
what the charge would be. it could have been that one of the persons
involved was a felon for all i know. or maybe it is just a nasty rumor.
shit if this is really happening we all need to be concerned.

Anyone that went want to confirm this?

Posted: 1/16/2010 7:13:10 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Newest info, again second hand.

***UNCONFIRMED*** as i was not there. i was informed by a good friendof mine who was present at the gun show today that two peopleconducting a private party transaction without having a FFL dealerperforming a 4473 and FBI NICS Background Check were arrested.

i have no reason to doubt this, but i also have not seen anything in the news to confirm it. as of now this is unconfirmed.

now i am not certain any arrest was made. also i am not certainwhat the charge would be. it could have been that one of the personsinvolved was a felon for all i know. or maybe it is just a nasty rumor.shit if this is really happening we all need to be concerned.

Anyone that went want to confirm this?

If it is true, and there wasn't something legitimately wrong with the transaction then the officers involved in the arrest are guilty of a Class A Misdemeanor Official Suppression.

Posted: 1/16/2010 7:15:16 PM EDT

[#28]

Question is it possible to get the NRA involved in this ?

Posted: 1/16/2010 7:30:09 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Question is it possible to get the NRA involved in this ?

If someone has a contact, that would be a good idea...

Posted: 1/16/2010 7:44:26 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Some info I received. Kinda puts this whole thing in prospective. If true, APD has declared war on Gun Shows in Austin. Would also provide juice to other cities if it works.

i heard from someone who spoke to the show promoter. show promoter wastold by Austin PD that they are acting on some sort of public nuisancecity ordinance. their "data" or gun traces or what not show that alarge percentage of guns taken off of the streets in Austin allegedlyhave come from the Austin gun show, sold hand-to-hand or via "privatecollectors" with no background checks. not that any of this is probablytrue, but the PD believes, or claims to have data, that the illegalguns on the streets of Austin are coming from the gun show. so, theyare acting on a "public nuisance" ordinance that supposedly will allowthem to simply shut down the gun show if they can get a court order orsomething. insofar as arrests, who knows. my friend set up at the showlast night and said that the venue is 25% full only and that alot ofdealers or "non-FFL dealers" or what not backed out due to the undueattention they will be getting. also there is rumor that the StateComptroller's Office may be showing up to see who is delinquent onsales tax, or who doesn't have a Texas Resale Certificate at all.

looks like APD is using the muscle of other agencies to make ituncomfortable for anyone to operate an Austin show which will mostlikely result in the show dying by itself. with low attendance andstrict "rules" in place, that, are simply made up and illegal, the APDhopes to shut down the show.

so, anyone seen doing a hand-to-hand, while 100% legal, willprobably be spoken to, or at least videoed, and then this will be usedto shut down the gun show there. personally i think APD is clearlyoverstepping their boundaries, but they seem to think that due to theirpublic nuisance ordinance they all of a sudden can mandate what can andcannot happen in a gun show.

This info is second hand and I have not verified it. But the source I got it from has provided reliable info in the past.

How the fuck would they know if the guns were coming from the private transactions at the gun show??? I have a feeling their info consists of criminals caught with stolen guns saying they "bought them at the gunshow" to avoid additional charges of possession of stolen property.

Posted: 1/17/2010 8:21:37 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Some info I received. Kinda puts this whole thing in prospective. If true, APD has declared war on Gun Shows in Austin. Would also provide juice to other cities if it works.

i heard from someone who spoke to the show promoter. show promoter wastold by Austin PD that they are acting on some sort of public nuisancecity ordinance. their "data" or gun traces or what not show that alarge percentage of guns taken off of the streets in Austin allegedlyhave come from the Austin gun show, sold hand-to-hand or via "privatecollectors" with no background checks. not that any of this is probablytrue, but the PD believes, or claims to have data, that the illegalguns on the streets of Austin are coming from the gun show. so, theyare acting on a "public nuisance" ordinance that supposedly will allowthem to simply shut down the gun show if they can get a court order orsomething. insofar as arrests, who knows. my friend set up at the showlast night and said that the venue is 25% full only and that alot ofdealers or "non-FFL dealers" or what not backed out due to the undueattention they will be getting. also there is rumor that the StateComptroller's Office may be showing up to see who is delinquent onsales tax, or who doesn't have a Texas Resale Certificate at all.

looks like APD is using the muscle of other agencies to make ituncomfortable for anyone to operate an Austin show which will mostlikely result in the show dying by itself. with low attendance andstrict "rules" in place, that, are simply made up and illegal, the APDhopes to shut down the show.

so, anyone seen doing a hand-to-hand, while 100% legal, willprobably be spoken to, or at least videoed, and then this will be usedto shut down the gun show there. personally i think APD is clearlyoverstepping their boundaries, but they seem to think that due to theirpublic nuisance ordinance they all of a sudden can mandate what can andcannot happen in a gun show.

This info is second hand and I have not verified it. But the source I got it from has provided reliable info in the past.

How the fuck would they know if the guns were coming from the private transactions at the gun show??? I have a feeling their info consists of criminals caught with stolen guns saying they "bought them at the gunshow" to avoid additional charges of possession of stolen property.

.GOV has had major fits about "The Unwashed Rabble" being able to buy or sell guns or ammo without (A) Significant Taxes being paid (where do they get their funds?) and (B) Registration of Who has What, Where the live and When they bought it (think all those old 4473's for buying a pistol or Black Gun will never come back to bite you sometime later with Obama, Holder & the Fillibuster Proof Dems?

BIGGER_HAMMER

Posted: 1/17/2010 8:42:13 AM EDT

[#32]

I sent it to David Codrea yesterday, and he has something up now.

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2010/01/messin-with-texas.html

ETA: fixed link (thanks SoftwareJanitor)

Posted: 1/17/2010 8:46:04 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
I sent it to David Codrea yesterday, and he has something up now.

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2010/01/messin-with-texas.htm

Your URL is missing the last 'L'.

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2010/01/messin-with-texas.html

Posted: 1/17/2010 9:29:07 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Newest info, again second hand.

***UNCONFIRMED*** as i was not there. i was informed by a good friendof mine who was present at the gun show today that two peopleconducting a private party transaction without having a FFL dealerperforming a 4473 and FBI NICS Background Check were arrested.

i have no reason to doubt this, but i also have not seen anything in the news to confirm it. as of now this is unconfirmed.

now i am not certain any arrest was made. also i am not certainwhat the charge would be. it could have been that one of the personsinvolved was a felon for all i know. or maybe it is just a nasty rumor.shit if this is really happening we all need to be concerned.

Anyone that went want to confirm this?

If it is true, and there wasn't something legitimately wrong with the transaction then the officers involved in the arrest are guilty of a Class A Misdemeanor Official Suppression.

I think it would depend upon what they were arrested FOR. The wording, "without having a FFL dealerperforming a 4473 and FBI NICS Background Check" suggests the person providing the info does not really understand the process.

Posted: 1/17/2010 10:07:47 AM EDT

[#35]

I arrived to this thread from the "War on Guns" blog site, will be following it with interest. Seems to me things have arrived at that juncture spoken about on the http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/ blog. Be careful, but don't let the government thugs get away with this.

Posted: 1/17/2010 10:08:41 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

I think it would depend upon what they were arrested FOR. The wording, "without having a FFL dealerperforming a 4473 and FBI NICS Background Check" suggests the person providing the info does not really understand the process.

That is true. I guess I was assuming what they meant (my mistake). I guess I'm used to the bad engrish that most people seem to exhibit online (even native speakers who should know better).

Posted: 1/17/2010 10:11:20 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I think it would depend upon what they were arrested FOR. The wording, "without having a FFL dealerperforming a 4473 and FBI NICS Background Check" suggests the person providing the info does not really understand the process.

That is true. I guess I was assuming what they meant (my mistake). I guess I'm used to the bad engrish that most people seem to exhibit online (even native speakers who should know better).

I am guessing he was arrested for trespassing or something.

Posted: 1/17/2010 10:13:51 AM EDT

[#38]

Has anyone made the TSRA (Tx State Rifle Assoc) aware of this? My Class III dealer in Houston was ambushed in Dec, the ATF showed up, waved their badges and went through all his 4473s...they took a bunch from him that were for stripped AR lowers that had been x-fered to one person, who builds ARs...The agent implied that why does this person need 10 ar lowers? If he is selling them without a FFL, that is called "proxy dealing" and is illegal. Good thing my dealer is also a lawyer so these bozos weren't complete jackasses to him. I feel for his patron though, I'm sure he is going to get a knock on his door soon. The TSRA also covered this in their newsletter a while ago...if the ATF shows up at your door, you don't have to let them in, they need a warrant.

Posted: 1/17/2010 10:14:15 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I think it would depend upon what they were arrested FOR. The wording, "without having a FFL dealerperforming a 4473 and FBI NICS Background Check" suggests the person providing the info does not really understand the process.

That is true. I guess I was assuming what they meant (my mistake). I guess I'm used to the bad engrish that most people seem to exhibit online (even native speakers who should know better).

I am guessing he was arrested for trespassing or something.

Could be. Wouldn't surprise me if the APD would do something so cowardly as to twist arms to get an illegitimate ban enacted, then abuse their power by trumping up BS charges instead of actually charging people with what they claim is illegal (but we know isn't). Chicken $#!+ bastards.

Posted: 1/17/2010 10:16:57 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Has anyone made the TSRA (Tx State Rifle Assoc) aware of this? My Class III dealer in Houston was ambushed in Dec, the ATF showed up, waved their badges and went through all his 4473s...they took a bunch from him that were for stripped AR lowers that had been x-fered to one person, who builds ARs...The agent implied that why does this person need 10 ar lowers? If he is selling them without a FFL, that is called "proxy dealing" and is illegal. Good thing my dealer is also a lawyer so these bozos weren't complete jackasses to him. I feel for his patron though, I'm sure he is going to get a knock on his door soon. The TSRA also covered this in their newsletter a while ago...if the ATF shows up at your door, you don't have to let them in, they need a warrant.

That is good to remind people... BATFE has been on a lot of "fishing trips" down here lately trying to intimidate people who make multiple firearms purchases.

Posted: 1/17/2010 11:47:05 AM EDT

[#41]

From the tsra.com homepage.

"Austin Gun Shows Under Attack?

It has been reported to TSRA that the Austin Police Department in cooperation with at least one agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives is apparently trying to limit or eliminate gun shows in Austin. Here is a link to the Texas Gun Shows website setting forth a policy that allows only federal firearms licensees (FFL) to "set up and sell firearms." This policy was instituted in response to statements made by an Austin Police Department detective. It is also reported that individual attendees will not be able to sell firearms without having to go through an FFL.

This matter is being researched by TSRA and its attorneys at this time."

Posted: 1/17/2010 11:53:28 AM EDT

[#42]

We really need some pictures of any signs from the show that are prohibiting private sales.

Posted: 1/17/2010 2:01:41 PM EDT

[#43]

Tag

Posted: 1/17/2010 2:27:55 PM EDT

[#44]

The War on Guns has contacted the APD to get their postion on this violation.

Posted: 1/17/2010 2:45:03 PM EDT

[#45]

We need to get a sympathetic land owner to let us hold a gun show in Austin city limits for the specific purpose of civil disobedience in this matter.

This is bullshit.

Posted: 1/17/2010 2:53:23 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
if the ATF shows up at your door, you don't have to let them in, they need a warrant.

Knowing the ATF, they will probably use your refusal to get a no knock warrant, go full tactical entry on your place, flashbang you, rip half your house apart and shoot your dog.

Posted: 1/17/2010 4:11:18 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
if the ATF shows up at your door, you don't have to let them in, they need a warrant.

Knowing the ATF, they will probably use your refusal to get a no knock warrant, go full tactical entry on your place, flashbang you, rip half your house apart and shoot your dog.

Don't forget stomp your cat to death with their jack boots.

Posted: 1/17/2010 5:04:21 PM EDT

[#48]

Sad...but true :(

Posted: 1/17/2010 5:24:21 PM EDT

[#49]

What the APD and ATF are trying to pull is pure BS. Don't let them get away with it. If you guys around Austin need more help give us a shout up this way. We'll come a running. No more Wacos!

Fuck the ATF!

Posted: 1/17/2010 8:19:46 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
if the ATF shows up at your door, you don't have to let them in, they need a warrant.

Knowing the ATF, they will probably use your refusal to get a no knock warrant, go full tactical entry on your place, flashbang you, rip half your house apart and shoot your dog.

If only this was just sarcasm...

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