Cavalry Arms 3 Gun Match Update: Waco, TX 9-30-05 to 10-2-05

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Cavalry Arms 3 Gun Match Update: Waco, TX 9-30-05 to 10-2-05 (Page 1 of 2)

Posted: 8/1/2005 4:31:49 PM EDT

Waco, Texas September 30th-October 2nd.

Schedule and Round Counts posted here:

www.cavalryarms.com/3gun/info.html

The prize table is going to be nice, every shooter will come away with a minimum of $150 in prizes.

Sponsorship prizes for the match are already coming in...among those already committed for prizes are Surefire, DPMS, Spec Ops Brand, and Ergo Grip.

Kifaru is sending us an EMR pack with Cargo Shelf that will be used on one of the stages...

How many of you fine Texas Folks will be coming?

Posted: 8/1/2005 4:52:22 PM EDT

[#1]

I'll be there.

See ya then,

Leonard

Posted: 8/1/2005 6:56:22 PM EDT

[#2]

I'll be there again.

Posted: 8/1/2005 8:51:08 PM EDT

[#3]

I'll think about it.

Posted: 8/2/2005 6:31:20 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
I'll think about it what guns I'll be bringing.

Posted: 8/2/2005 7:32:51 AM EDT

[#5]

Well, I stink at 3-gun, but it'll be fun to shoot.

Posted: 8/3/2005 6:33:27 PM EDT

[#6]

This match is a blast. You shoot a lot of targets. You get to wear your cool guy gear and no one calls you a closeted gear queer or makes you feel self-conscious. You get to hang out with some cool folks. You can even win stuff, even if you don't win the match.

I was probably one of the slowest shooters out there. However, I have a nice rifle as a prize (Armalite A4 upper, Cav Arms lower). Mark LaRue sent a ton of gift certificates. XS sights, Spec Ops Brand, DPMS and others added to the booty too.

Posted: 8/4/2005 3:00:29 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
I'll be there again.

+1 some damn fine folks to be with and a helluva good time to be had

Turned in the vacation request today for the time off. Will try to get down a day early to help setup.

wganz
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:20:48 PM EDT

[#8]

Can I run it with my AC556?

Posted: 8/4/2005 8:07:08 PM EDT

[#9]

.

Posted: 8/4/2005 8:23:17 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Can I run it with my AC556?

Suppressors/Silencers and Full-Auto allowed in all classes. If you do use an NFA weapon, you must have a copy of your form 4 or SOT on you.

Posted: 8/5/2005 7:33:34 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
I will be there.

Don't drop the soap.

Posted: 8/5/2005 10:33:45 AM EDT

[#12]

That sounds cool.

Posted: 8/13/2005 7:21:30 PM EDT

[#13]

BTT

JP has signed on as the Tactical Scope Class sponsor....$3500.00 in JP products will be on the prize table!!!

DPMS has donated $1,000 in prizes!

Ameetec has donated $1,000 in prizes!

Sirefire has donated $1,000 in prizes!

more to come

Posted: 8/13/2005 11:09:02 PM EDT

[#14]

Guess it's time to clean off the loading bench and buy some small rifle primers. This year I am bringing the "Black Rifle" and not my AK. Hopefully I'll score better.

Posted: 8/14/2005 12:14:01 PM EDT

[#15]

Just a reminder...

If any of you are interested in the match, you need to get signed up soon. The match last year was a lot of fun to shoot.

I heard a few of the details about this years match... this will be the match everyone talks about for 2005. Just think about it... going through a shoothouse at night. Not many people, outside of LEO's and Military, get the chance to do it.

Plus, there is a need for RO's. If you are interested, please contact:
Russell Phagan
Cavalary Arms Corp.

Hope to see some of you out there.

Posted: 8/30/2005 10:56:54 AM EDT

[#16]

We would like for everyone to have their registrations in no later than September 20th! Half of us will be leaving AZ on the 21st to go start setting up the Range in Waco. The latest we can receive registrations by mail is the 26th. Please send in your registrations as soon as possible, especially if you want to get squadded with the people you requested.

Posted: 8/30/2005 1:36:10 PM EDT

[#17]

.

Posted: 8/31/2005 5:03:51 PM EDT

[#18]

from 2004

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trooper is hard!

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get me outta here

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for official use only

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die zombies!

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part of mir?

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chopper down

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rooftops

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Posted: 9/1/2005 7:12:18 PM EDT

[#19]

There are a few changes to the match

Change 1

The “Aggressor” targets will not be ready in time for the match this year. As a result we will be using USPSA targets. We have also accordingly changed the rule 6.1.1

6.1.1 previously read:

6.1.1 Any cardboard target, designated as a "shoot" target must have either one (1)"A" hit OR two (2) hits anywhere. At least 50% of the bullet hole must break the edge of the target or the scoring area to count.

6.1.1 now reads:

6.1.1 Any cardboard target, designated as a "shoot" target must have either one (1)"A" hit OR two (2) hits anywhere. The bullet hole must be inside of or break the edge of the perforation for the scoring zone to count.

Change 2

Trooper Class shooters may use pistol caliber carbines or sub-machine
guns to engage both rifle and pistol targets. If the stage description says
they must use a pistol or transition between pistol and rifle, they must still
do so. The shooter must inform the RO of their intentions before they shoot the stage.

Posted: 9/8/2005 11:38:23 PM EDT

[#20]

Promotional Mini-Posters will be available to be autographed by Alan and Zak:

Posted: 9/9/2005 8:31:04 AM EDT

[#21]

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Posted: 9/9/2005 8:57:19 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Promotional Mini-Posters will be available to be autographed by Alan and Zak:

I'm either angry or hungry in that pic

alan

Posted: 9/9/2005 11:31:13 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
I'm ~~either~~ angry or and hungry in that pic

Posted: 9/12/2005 6:00:10 PM EDT

[#24]

Less than 40 people signed up. Get signed up today.

See ya,

Leonard

Posted: 9/12/2005 6:03:38 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Less than 40 people signed up. Get signed up today.

See ya,

Leonard

Mine went out in today's mail.

mm

Posted: 9/12/2005 7:16:23 PM EDT

[#26]

Wow only 40....can we shoot it twice?

Posted: 9/12/2005 8:08:12 PM EDT

[#27]

Bring some real rifles and we'll shoot long range for cash $$ ??

Posted: 9/12/2005 8:22:30 PM EDT

[#28]

Talked w/ Russell today. He mentioned if any of you are sitting on the fence about taking FRIDAY off to come out and play.

IT WILL BE OK TO COME OUT AND SHOOT SATURDAY/SUNDAY ONLY !!!!!

Just come out and enjoy the FUN!

Be safe,
Leonard

Posted: 9/12/2005 10:28:55 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Wow only 40....can we shoot it twice?

Quite a few people have cancelled coming because of Military/LEO duties associated with the Hurricane Katrina disaster relief...the recent surge in gas prices has discouraged some as well.

If we have a lot of extra time, we will be sure to fill it up....Team Shoot and Submachine Gun side match are being planned as contingencies.

I am expecting more registrations to keep coming in up until the match.

Posted: 9/13/2005 12:17:52 AM EDT

[#30]

I am tossing the idea around. I will be a noob to 3-gun and don't wanna look too bad

Posted: 9/13/2005 9:41:14 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
I am tossing the idea around. I will be a noob to 3-gun and don't wanna look too bad

As long as you're safe, no one else cares how you shoot...most people are willing to offer advice to new shooters.

This may help you:

General Introduction to Multi-Gun Practical Action Shooting
by
Russell Phagan
Cavalry Arms Staff

BASIC GUN SAFETY RULES

1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded.

2. Never allow the muzzle to point at anything you are not willing to see destroyed.

3. Be sure of your target and know what lies behind it.

4. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are aligned on target.

5. Be sure your guns are never accessible to unauthorized or untrained individuals.

RANGE SAFETY RULES

Failure to follow safety rules, will result in being disqualified…the shooter will not be allowed to shoot any more stages, their score will not count, and they may be asked to leave the range.

Cold Range

All Firearms are unloaded until the shooter is called to the line and instructed by the RO to load and make ready.

Administrative Gun Handling
· Do not handle firearms behind the firing line
· Holstering/Un-holstering of side arms is only allowed in safety areas.
· You may uncase your long gun behind the line and put them in the rack, or on the table that sometimes faces into the berm. Always be conscious of your muzzle and take care not to sweep anyone.
· Actions on long guns should be locked open when not being used.

180 Degree Rule

There is an imaginary line that runs parallel with the start position on a course of fire. If a shooter’s muzzle comes back past the 180 degree, they will be disqualified as there muzzle is facing up range and is a hazard to others.

Negligent Discharge

Defined as the unintentional firing of the firearm while on a course of fire or putting a round over the berms/backstops will be disqualified.

Finger off the trigger!

The shooter must keep their finger off the trigger while moving through the course of fire unless they are shooting

Dropped Gun

Dropping a gun, loaded or unloaded during the course of fire will result in being disqualified. The shooter must maintain control of their firearms at all times. If you do drop a firearm, do not attempt to catch it, as this dramatically increases the possibility of a negligent discharge.

Transitioning Between Guns on a Multi-Gun Stage

Procedures for this vary from match to match…it is the shooter’s responsibility to be familiar with them.

The most common method used is the gun being abandoned during the course of fire is cleared (magazine and chamber empty), and placed on a table or other location facing in a safe direction.

RANGE COMMANDS

The Range Officer issues range Commands. At a local match the range officer might be another competitor filling the spot until he shoots, at major/national matches the Range Officer will usually be the same person for the entire match to ensure everything is run the same for everyone.

This is the order and procedure for the Range Officer to issue commands when a shooter is called to the line

RO Ensures no one is down range

RO: LINE IS GOING HOT!

RO: Shooter do you understand the course of fire?

This is the Shooter’s opportunity to ask any last minute questions or clarifications of procedure.

RO: Shooter, you are clear to take an unloaded sight picture (not required, and sometimes not allowed)

RO: Shooter, you are clear to load and make ready

Shooter Loads and makes ready

RO: Shooter, are you ready?

Shooters gives affirmative response

RO: Stand by….

RO Activates start signal on shot clock.

START POSITIONS

The following are standard start positions most commonly used at competitions.

Freestyle: However the shooter chooses

Surrender: Thumbs of the hands above the shoulders.

Low Ready: Stock of long gun in shoulder, muzzle depressed, and shooter does not have a sight picture.

Port Arms: Stock of long gun at or below belt level, muzzle facing up at an angle away from the shooter.

SCORING

Different clubs and different organizations use different scoring methods.

There are two basic scoring methods. Both methods use timers that count from the start signal to the last shot fired to record time.

1) Time + Penalties added in the form of time
2) Accuracy on Targets for certain point values divided by the amount of time it took the shooter equaling hit factor. Penalties are represented by subtracting points thus lowering the shooter’s hit factor.

In Multi-gun matches, Time + Penalties added in the form of time is the most common in use at major competitions.

Types of penalties that can be incurred:

Failure To Neutralize: Target does not have enough hits on it, or hits are not in Scored Areas

Target Not Engaged: Not hits on Target at all.

No-Shoot: Non Hostile Target, usually representing a hostage, shot

Procedural: Not following stage procedure.

Un-sportsmanlike conduct: Not a common penalty, but may be issued for various reasons.

The amount of time added, or points deducted for any of these penalties varies from match to match. It is important that the shooter read and understands the rules for any particular match they will be attending.

EQUIPMENT DIVISIONS

The division, sometimes also called class in non-USPSA matches, a shooter competes in is determined by the equipment they use. Someone shooting a basic iron sight rifle, will not be competing against someone using a rifle with dual optics and a bipod. Over all scores are posted for the sake of interest, scoring only really matters within the division a particular shooter competes in though.

These are divisions commonly found in most multi-gun matches:

Tactical Iron/Limited
Tactical Scope/Tactical
Open
He-Man/Heavy Metal
Trooper

There are often minor differences between these divisions from match to match, but they generally follow the same rules. If you have any questions about what class your equipment will put you in, ask the match director before you get there.

It is important that new shooters get out and use whatever equipment it is that they already have. Don’t invest more money before you even know if you like shooting competitively or not. Also once you gain experience you will be able to more intelligently spend your money on new equipment.

PREPARING TO SHOOT A MATCH

A match is not the place to find out if your equipment functions or not, or if your firearms are sighted in. Coming to a match unprepared is a sure way to have a bad time.

Before a match do the following:

1) Make sure your Rifle, Shotgun, and Pistol all feed ammunition reliably from all of the feeding devices you are using. Make sure the ammunition you are using works reliably and groups decently. Do not switch brands of ammunition before a match without reconfirming zero and function.
2) Zero your rifle and know holdovers and bullet drop for it out to 300 yards. Know how high you need to aim at CQB distances to make a head shot to accommodate for sight off set.
3) Pattern your shotgun, and zero it for slugs. Expect slug shots out to 25-50 yards at most matches…know how slugs shoot in your shotgun. Make sure your shotgun loads are heavy enough to reliably knock down steel targets.
4) Be prepared to shoot your handgun from 0-25 yards at varying sizes of targets.
5) Always Bring More ammunition than you need to a match. Always bring cleaning equipment and spare parts if you have them.

Skills you can practice at home, before practicing any of these make sure your firearms are unloaded, and no live ammunition is present!

1) Reloads from standing, kneeling, and prone.
2) Getting into shooting positions from standing, kneeling and prone.
3) Drawing your pistol
4) Going from port arms and low ready to on target.
5) Practice clearing malfunctions just in case your equipment doesn't work 100%.

BUILDING SKILL THROUGH COMPETITION AND INCREASING PERFORMANCE

Shooting competitively induces degrees of stress not found in purely recreational shooting. The stress of trying to do your best to beat other people and the clock counting every second you are shooting, will make you perform differently than if you were shooting the same scenario just by yourself. Through experience you will become acclimated to this stress and it will no longer concern you as much, if at all.

Increasing speed is a natural by product of repetition and economy of motion. The more efficient you are in your movement and gun handling, the faster you will be. Reloads for your firearms should always come from the same locations. Ideally all your firearms should be similar in handling and operating characteristics to each other as switching between them will not require as much readjustment. The more you shoot and compete, the more second nature most of the tasks involved in doing so will become.

Equipment should be used to compliment skills you already have, not make up for skills you are lacking.

Increased performance should never be achieved through sacrificing reliability in your equipment. Equipment that works all the time will allow you to sometimes beat superior shooters who’s equipment does not work all the time.

MINDSET

Develop the will to prevail despite adversity. Everyone has a bad stage because things didn’t go according to plan. How you overcome this adversity is what will separate you from other competitors. Do not give up as long as you are able to continue shooting. Clear malfunctions, make your semi auto operate manually if need be, stay in the game. If a particular target is too difficult to hit and you’ve done your best to engage it, move on if you must to complete the course of fire.

Think fast and solve problems. The more shooting you do competitively, the easier this will become as you experience different problems and learn more solutions.

Take responsibility for your performance. It is easy to find excuses as to why you shot poorly on a particular stage. Maintenance, reliability, and accuracy of your equipment are your responsibility. If it does not perform well, do not use it. If you lack ability in a particular skill, acknowledge this and practice that skill more. Exercise good sportsmanship, people who cheat or bend the rules for the sake of winning are only cheating themselves of out improving their skills.

You are only competing against yourself. If your skills continually improve and your scores continually improve be pleased with your accomplishment even if your placement is last every time. You should never leave a match feeling that you gained nothing.

SHOOTING AS A MARTIAL SKILL

The mind is mankind’s primary weapon everything else is a tool. Shooting competitively we are practicing a martial art, the same as it was with Archery Competitions, Fencing, Jousting, and Wrestling before firearms existed. Never forget that firearms are lethal tools and how you train and shoot competitively might some day be a determining factor in defending your life, your loved ones, or fellow officers/service personnel.

Shooting competitively gives us the opportunity to learn the limits of our equipment and ourselves in a controlled environment. Having your equipment not work as it should or finding you lack particular skills at a match as much as it sucks is much preferable to finding out when more than your score and ego are on the line.

You will get out of competition shooting what you put into it. If you view all shooting as practicing a martial art, it will give you real world skills in gun handling and marksmanship. Shooting competitively will not teach you tactics, though tactics you have learned elsewhere can be practiced there.

The guns you use for competition shooting should be similar, if not identical to, the ones you would use as defensive firearms. Don’t carry a different firearm for defensive purposes than what you shoot regularly in competition, using something not as familiar could mean the difference between victory or defeat.

Posted: 9/16/2005 11:25:09 AM EDT

[#32]

Russell,

You aren't going to have any weak hand only pistol stages.....are you? I broke the tip of my index finger on my weak hand last night.

mm

Posted: 9/16/2005 11:39:10 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Russell,

You aren't going to have any weak hand only pistol stages.....are you? I broke the tip of my index finger on my weak hand last night.

mm

Yes there is a weak hand only pistol stage...I'm sure we can reach some kind of arrangement for that stage though.

Have you sent in your match application yet?

Posted: 9/16/2005 11:46:16 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Yes there is a weak hand only pistol stage...I'm sure we can reach some kind of arrangement for that stage though.

Have you sent in your match application yet?

Well....I have 2 weeks to heal up. I whacked it on the side with a ball peen while installing some Heinie sights. I'm 99% sure it'll be fine by that weekend...it was my smallest hammer.

Yup, sent it in and got your email yesterday.

mm

Posted: 9/17/2005 9:56:09 AM EDT

[#35]

Russell,

You guys going straight from Gilbert to Watt? Or will you be staying up in DFW for a few days? The Market Hall Gun Show is the 24-25th.

Plus you need to stay at TJ's house and make him take you to Siciliano's.

mm

Posted: 9/17/2005 2:33:54 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Russell,

You guys going straight from Gilbert to Watt? Or will you be staying up in DFW for a few days? The Market Hall Gun Show is the 24-25th.

Plus you need to stay at TJ's house and make him take you to Siciliano's.

mm

Brad, Jesse, and Myself are leaving here the 21st, plan on getting to the range to start setting up on the 23rd....the rest of the guys will be showing up at the range the 25th-27th.

Posted: 9/18/2005 1:36:48 AM EDT

[#37]

what type of lead shot will everyone be useing ....

Posted: 9/18/2005 6:09:16 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
what type of lead shot will everyone be useing ....

Normally most people use 7,7-½ and 8, 2-3/4" loads. Some of the shotgun steel isn't so easy to take down, so 1-¼ oz. loads may be preferred. Don't forget that they have some stages that will require slugs, I normally use the Brenneke reduced recoil or Remngton Managed Recoil in matces. Wolf slugs seem to be between standard velocity and reduced recoil and are easy on the shoulder too, plus they seem to be accurate, consistant and clean.

mm

Posted: 9/19/2005 1:09:22 PM EDT

[#39]

I got all my trooper class gear together this weekend:

Posted: 9/19/2005 1:11:19 PM EDT

[#40]

Might add a raincoat to that pile of gear.

Hurricane will bring rain to Waco Thurs-Friday.

TRG

Posted: 9/19/2005 1:17:13 PM EDT

[#41]

poncho is in the pack...

Posted: 9/19/2005 1:26:14 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Might add a raincoat to that pile of gear.

Hurricane will bring rain to Waco Thurs-Friday.

Quiet fool! It rained part of last year, no repeats please. However, the match is the weekend after the hurricane, so maybe we'll be lucky.

Posted: 9/19/2005 3:26:14 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Might add a raincoat to that pile of gear.

Hurricane will bring rain to Waco Thurs-Friday.

Quiet fool! It rained part of last year, no repeats please. However, the match is the weekend after the hurricane, so maybe we'll be lucky.

Don't confuse me with the facts, please.

TRG

Posted: 9/19/2005 3:36:26 PM EDT

[#44]

in addition to the prizes we already have...

I Just got word from Leupold today, they are sending 2 MKIV 1.5-5X scopes for prizes.

Brownells is contributing enough of their AR15 magazines so every shooter will get one in their shooter's bag

LaRue is sending 10 gift certificates worth up to $300.00 each.

Sabre Defence is sending 2 Upper Receivers we will use to build complete rifles

Posted: 9/19/2005 4:03:34 PM EDT

[#45]

I'll be kicking in some hats/stickers/t-shirts/etc.

Posted: 9/20/2005 8:27:38 PM EDT

[#46]

FAXed my application yesterday.

This will be my first real-live 3-gun match and I'm stressing over exactly what equipment to bring.

Mike

Posted: 9/20/2005 9:15:09 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
FAXed my application yesterday.

This will be my first real-live 3-gun match and I'm stressing over exactly what equipment to bring.

Mike

One gun, 100 rounds of ammo, two magazines, and a cloth holster. You'll ace it.

Posted: 9/24/2005 9:18:12 AM EDT

[#48]

As it looks now, it is not even going to rain in Watt, where the range is.

Posted: 9/25/2005 6:28:42 PM EDT

[#49]

Hope all of you have a great time. As most of you know, I'm "over here" so I will not make it. I've kinda got a "3-gun match going on over here. Things have been good okay so far. Look forward to seeing you all when I pop smoke from the asshole of the world. Have fun, and shoot strait. John

Posted: 9/26/2005 2:29:37 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
Hope all of you have a great time. As most of you know, I'm "over here" so I will not make it. I've kinda got a "3-gun match going on over here. Things have been good okay so far. Look forward to seeing you all when I pop smoke from the asshole of the world. Have fun, and shoot strait. John

Hello, Ranger8541!

Good to see you are still ok, Ranger8541, I keep expecting more videos from you of Iraqi's nocturnal activities...?

Well, Ranger8541 you need to keep yourself safe, and get back here to the quiet life ASAP.

We all miss you, Ranger8541! , and needa driver for our next Trunk Monkey Rabbit hunt.

But, Ranger8541, try NOT to dislodge us from your rear next time?

TRG

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