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Posted: 6/4/2005 2:24:05 PM EDT
Today the Pennine Shooting Sports Club held the Northern Service Rifle Championship.
Diggle Range is located North East of Manchester on the edge of Saddleworth Moor. The range is privately owned and is situated in a valley at approx 1000ft above sea level. The range goes back to 1000yds and the firing points are staggered because of the terrain. 25 shooters took part in somewhat difficult conditions (strong winds and some rain). 9 stages and a total of 100rds needed to complete the match. Here are some pics I took. The range from 400yds  Oakey acting as Butt Monster  CQB at 75yds  Fig 14's at 75yds  Handling the targets  The Butts  Fig 11's (200yd sitting)   Bisley Bullet, 200yds  Fig14  Someone misread the wind  This is how it should be done  Reecy drillin' 'em in  Target-Hunter at the ready  Him again on the trigger  Big Al  Sighting at 500yds   Paul and his suppressed Steyr Scout  A wooden gun!!!  Bill unsupported at 400  Me at 300, Wantage  M17 Bullpup  Big D at 400  Fred takes cover behind a pile of sheep shit (it was everywhere)  Ann and her Armalon 223 Rem 700  Nick again, full concentration at 400  100yd snaps  Davey-Man and his new Grendel  500yds  Watch and Move  The Old One, need I say more...  Davey-Man at 500yds  John W scoping 'em  Mark |
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Posted: 6/4/2005 2:30:44 PM EDT
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Mark
those pics were the "mutts nuts" looks like you had a great day. Wishing my back was better so could get to Brecon more often. nice pics cheers Taffy |
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Posted: 6/4/2005 2:33:58 PM EDT
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These pics make the weather look quite good!
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Posted: 6/4/2005 2:38:47 PM EDT
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cool,shame it was such a trek away from me
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Posted: 6/4/2005 2:43:38 PM EDT
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There's a story behind these ripped trousers, needless to say, they didn't last the day. PS, anyone ever wondered exactly how fast a 1.8L Escort can go?? We have it verified on 2 GPS's at *** mph  Mark 
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Posted: 6/4/2005 2:48:10 PM EDT
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Diggles a trek for everyone! (I left home at 3am and returned at 11pm...) 
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Posted: 6/4/2005 3:34:50 PM EDT
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I'm not hardcore enough yet
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Posted: 6/5/2005 1:37:27 AM EDT
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Watch and Move..........
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Posted: 6/5/2005 2:08:08 AM EDT
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 I was tired OK, it was a long day Next time I might just use watch, move and shoot. For those of you who don't know, the correct term we use is, "Watch Out, Watch Out" I should've renamed it Fire and movement Mark  |
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Posted: 6/5/2005 6:24:26 AM EDT
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streetfighter
If you ever get the chance it would be cool if you posted over on MilitaryPhotos.Net, it would sure put allot of the Brits over there in their place. They have this idea that only the Military should have access to firearms, as an Ex-Pat and born again gun-nut they seem to think I'm a lunatic. Anyway I've posted quite a few pics from shoots I've been to and the firearms collection. Here's a couple of links Firearm Collection May Day Shoot Couple of Aussies at the Range Knob Creek Not trying to hijack your thread, just would be cool to have you guys post over there also, tons of AR lovers over there. |
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Posted: 6/5/2005 2:36:04 PM EDT
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I might just do that Mark |
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Posted: 6/5/2005 4:46:33 PM EDT
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It's reassuring to see some fun shooting going on over there. Looks like your Service Rifle matches are more relaxed than ours. |
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Posted: 6/5/2005 9:41:38 PM EDT
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We do shoot your kind of Service Rifle too. Our SR is based on the Military competitions. You should try it, you'd enjoy it Mark |
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Posted: 6/6/2005 2:52:54 AM EDT
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Yesss.... Anyone want to buy a Gore-Tex cape? 
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Posted: 6/6/2005 4:01:24 PM EDT
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I figured you must. I think everyone must have some way to learn how to defend one's self from rampaging dots!
Ah! Our military competitions are against those rampaging dots! 
It does look like a great time was had by all. I'd be very interested if you have a link to a course of fire that you use. I'd really like to look into it. |
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Posted: 6/6/2005 4:19:50 PM EDT
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Man, what a BEAUTIFUL place to shoot! You guys have it made!
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Posted: 6/6/2005 4:33:46 PM EDT
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Great photos. Thanks very much for sharing them.
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Posted: 6/6/2005 4:44:56 PM EDT
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+100!!! What a gorgeous range! Man, I'd love to have a place like that to shoot. Now my little berm on the farm seems downright pathetic. These pics give me a major burn to go shoot. Thanks a lot! 
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Posted: 6/6/2005 9:38:36 PM EDT
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IM me your email address |
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Posted: 6/6/2005 11:21:24 PM EDT
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Is the target position downhill from the firing point? Or is it just the photo's making it look that way?
Dave |
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Posted: 6/7/2005 8:53:17 AM EDT
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It's just the way it looks |
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Posted: 6/15/2005 3:09:58 PM EDT
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Very nice range!
Heck, I didn't even know that we had a European forum! |
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Posted: 6/15/2005 3:16:44 PM EDT
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Hey wow. Is it true that Isle of Man and the Orkneys have more lax gunlaws?
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Posted: 6/15/2005 3:19:09 PM EDT
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Well now you know Welcome aboard  Mark |
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Posted: 6/15/2005 3:21:15 PM EDT
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Yes it is true It's only he mainland that's so Draconian Marl |
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Posted: 6/15/2005 6:57:49 PM EDT
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Ditto I would gladly lay prone next to sheep dip as long as there was all that greenery. Instead we have dirt, rocks, cactus, rattlers and did I mention rocks. Actually we have some green here...But, it would surely piss off the golfers
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Posted: 6/19/2005 3:59:57 AM EDT
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Hey, don't forget the scorpions!!!! Great pics, guys!!!!! Keep up the good work. As soon as I take over the world I promise you guys can get your semi autos back!!!! ( and more )
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Posted: 6/19/2005 4:20:31 AM EDT
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To arms!!!! To arms!!!! The Red Coats are coming!!!!!!!!!! The Red Coats are coming!!!!!!!!!!
Oh....wait......   Excellent pics guys. AWesome looking range and waht appears to be some good shootin. |
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Posted: 6/25/2005 10:33:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2005 11:08:01 AM EDT
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'Fraid not...that's a SGC Mark |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:17:38 AM EDT
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No - SGC, but with a replacement cocking handle and new green bits from RB Precision. (The barrel is about 1" dia fluted under the fore-end, and it has a float tube...) I'm sure Matt(y) will have all the parts you could want though... Nick |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 5:17:35 AM EDT
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Cheers Nick, That's a great looking AR, Green works for me, Will certainly commision Matt to finish the masterpiece, Just out of curiosity how long did it take for Bob to complete your gun when you ordered from him? hinking.gif
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Posted: 6/26/2005 9:14:30 AM EDT
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I think it was about 16 weeks...
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Posted: 6/27/2005 10:42:31 AM EDT
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Please tell me your'e joking? hock.gif
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Posted: 6/27/2005 11:13:04 AM EDT
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To be fair, it might have only been 14 or 15... |
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Posted: 6/27/2005 12:11:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2005 2:49:43 PM EDT
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Can't remember how long he said it would be - but certainly not that long. Yes, I did keep chasing - but there's only so many times you want to bang your head against the wall... I checked the paperwork, ordered rifle first week of April '02, arrived first week of August '02... so 16 (long) weeks.... When I finally got it the rear sight was wrong as well - Match A2 sight fitted to a removable handle resulted in a 14" high group at 50 yards. that then took another few weeks to sort! 
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Posted: 6/28/2005 12:13:54 AM EDT
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Bob seems to like Thursdays. He always tells people they will have it Thursday. Thursday is the only day of the week he visits the post office as well.
Matt had mine built very quickly. Once I'd actually decided on a configuration it was in my hands within 4-5 weeks, which is good going considering I ordered things that had to be specially imported from the US. Mind, I ordered a 20" Barrel and a 19.5" turned up, bloomin Matt  And Vito's right, Bob seems to think that things brought in from the US are more expensive, not the same or less. He's making a mint on his A.R.M.S stuff, £110 for a $100 mount. He's a bloomin thief. A fat thief.... |
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Posted: 6/28/2005 2:07:51 AM EDT
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He is a robbing Bas***d
I just pestered him till i got my Ar, fair enough its nice and shoots well, and at the time he was abetter option than sabre! who where quoting 10 weeks for a barrel then asap after they got the barrel in, i think bob delivered in 8 weeks, i will be using matt for all other R related stuff though, fat bobs $1 = £2 does my head in, James, |
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Posted: 6/28/2005 3:32:11 AM EDT
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Yup. I don't like Bob's sales practices one bit.
I'm hoping my website will come up in google quite high soon, so as to help spread the anti-bob pro-matt message! |
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Posted: 6/28/2005 4:31:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2005 9:59:31 AM EDT
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I think it's time to stop slagging Fat Bob off, enough is enough. He's not a bad guy really and I do like him as a person. As streetfighter told me if it wasn't for Fat Bob most of the UK AR shooters wouldn't actually have anything to shoot. I certainly couldn't keep up with the demand if I had to satisfy all his customers as well. And his products are good, if you think they're too expensive try somewhere else, and if enough people do that he'll soon drop his prices. A few years ago Bob told me at that time he'd sold well over 1000 AR's. Where are they? They certainly don't show up on the competition circuit, and I doubt many are used for field/pest shooting. So a lot of people have an SGC and just shoot at the local range and never use the rifles to anywhere near their limits. It's a sad endictment of the average British shooter.  Matt |
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Posted: 6/28/2005 10:10:27 AM EDT
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Matt, seems like you beat me to the draw again, but this time I'll just leave the post in.
I've decided to "un-hijack" my own thread, so here goes...... Think what you like of Bob but I think this slagging off of him in a public forum should stop now. We've all had our fun but enough is enough. Yes he's overpriced and slow at times, but there's nothing making any of us buy from him. Apart from having fun at his expense, I actually like the guy and there's been many a time where we've shared a good banter. And remember this, Bob has done more than anyone else to make AR's available to shooters in the UK. If it wasn't for him, there's be far fewer Black rifles on firing points up and down the country. He might be slow, but at least he doesn't just fuck you off like Savage does. To all those shooters who've bought SGC's at inflated prices, ask them if they're happy with their guns. I bet most of them will say yes Mark |
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Posted: 6/28/2005 10:16:00 AM EDT
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I thought you were going shooting? (and I did give you a mention  )Did someone mention Savage? 
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Posted: 6/28/2005 11:07:33 AM EDT
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Who is this Savage? Is he an AR15 maker as well? Actually phoned Bob today and he assured me next week and he was awfully nice about it too, Bless! h.gif
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Posted: 6/28/2005 11:23:35 AM EDT
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Gawd, combined pro-bob post there!
Stop being better than him then Matt!! (shit, I'll be waiting aaaages for my lower now )Little Edit here: Matt, what would say the percentage of people who bought from Fat Bob, then shot highpower and then bought from Fat bob again actually was? Not an awful lot I'd reckon, not for rifles anyway. The ONLY reason bob does so well is because of Savage being worse, and big adverts in Gun Mart. If people actually had a choice they would go elsewhere. Nobody wants to buy of grumpy sod who doesn't deliver on time. Customer service like the Americans give should be the way forward, not being grumpy and never answering your phone. Bob needs to get with the fucking program and find out what 'CUSTOMER SERVICE' means. Theres MY soapbox...... Dave, Drunk in Copenhagen.. |
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Posted: 6/28/2005 3:15:50 PM EDT
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I'd rather tend to agree with you. We are an endangered enough species as it is, no sense in turning against each other in public. I've got my own opinions about Mr Bob, but speaking as someone who has spent the last 3 days sunbathing and eating strawberries while reading volumes I and II of 'The Black Rifle' I don't feel like I have got the moral high ground to complain about long delivery times :D |
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Posted: 6/28/2005 10:47:41 PM EDT
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Having come back to this sober…
Yes, it’s right that Bob has done a lot for military type shooting in the UK, by consistently being the only one to advertise and make it known that these rifles are available. He’s even gone so far as to source thick walled receivers to make our milled receivers with cocking handles safer to use. He has actually done a fair bit. However, how many people has he turned away from the discipline with his surly attitude, his failure to deliver anything on time and his exaggerated prices? I’m sure Bob’s losing money hand over fist given the import costs, distribution and he must have people phoning up to complain every day, so he does deserve a bit of a break. However not only does he take 6 weeks to build a rifle, it takes him four weeks to post a 25rd V22 magazine from Devon to Berkshire. I’ve seen some very good SGC rifles too, more in fact than ones you could complain about. However, you cannot escape the lack of customer care and follow through in the way he conducts his business. Maybe it’s just me, maybe I live in the American ideal, but I think customer service is king, and the ways of the old UK gunshop where you knew everyone and sold to your mates is gone. Sorry, but as much as he has done for the sport, it can’t excuse the way business is conducted. To me SGC is like the American Spirit Arms is to the Americans. Yep, it’s a home grown business, its doing our economy good and maintaining our production, but, and it’s a big but, the owner is a miserable git that has no concept of customer service and grievance procedure. Might sound a bit harsh, but that’s the way it is, and you all know it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2005 3:39:12 AM EDT
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That would be Guy Savage, who runs Sabre Defence Industries. Sabre can be very helpful if you get the right person on the phone, but they don't seem to be able to deliver a rifle quickly either. To be fair to them they will tell you this upfront . |
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