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Posted: 12/17/2008 9:23:00 AM EDT
If further research is done, you will find out the Marquez's have also donated to Republicans. Dario Marquez was a Secret Service Agent under both democrate and republican parties. Steven Marquez is a former Special Forces Soldier and a DECORATED War Veteran. A donation for Hiliary is not a support for Obama. In the past, the NRA has supported BOTH democrates and republicans who support our 2nd Ammendment rights. We encourage Democrates AND Republicans to come in and work together to defend our 2nd Ammendment rights. We want those who lack knowledge to leave here with the respect and responsiblity for our 2nd Ammendment rights. |
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Marquez, Scott HERNDON, VA20171 $400 05/12/2008 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Marquez, Scott HERNDON, VA 20171MVM, Inc./Security Services $2,300 01/28/2008 P GERRY CONNOLLY FOR CONGRESS - Democrat (1) Marquez, Dario Jr. MVM Inc./President VIENNAVA22182 500 11/8/2007BECERRA FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT (2) Marquez, Dario OMVM Inc/CEOVIENNAVA22182 2,300 1/31/2008HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT Marquez, Dario O Jr ––IR 1,000 6/30/2007OBAMA FOR AMERICA - DEMOCRAT Marquez, Dario O. Jr.MVM, Inc./Security ServicesVIENNAVA221822, 300 1/28/2008GERRY CONNOLLY FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT Marquez, Dario O. MVM Inc./Executive OAKTONVA22124 300 5/3/2002FRIENDS OF CONNIE MORELLA FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN (3) Marquez, Dario –– OAKTONVA22124- 1,140 12/30/2003KATE HANLEY FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT Marquez, DarioMVM Inc/President and CEOOAKTONVA22124 2,000 6/10/2003KATE HANLEY FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT (4) (1) "The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with its Virginia Million Mom March Chapters, today endorsed Gerry Connolly for Congress in Virginia's 11th Congressional District." - (http://www.bradynetwork.org/site/MessageViewer/&printer_friendly=1?em_id=31361.2) (2) Rep Becerra is the sponsor of a bill requiring "microstamping" for pistols, a technology proven to be flawed and easily defeated by criminals. The bill's co-sponsors were a who's who of gun grabbing totalitarians, including Rep Rahm Emanuel (he who has shown allegiance to a nation other than the United States during a time of war by serving as a civilian in their armed forces, Rep Jesse Jackson, Jr., Rep Carolyn McCarthy (sponsor of HR1022), Rep Charles Rangel, and Rep Chris Van Hollen (3) "Morella opposes her party's positions on...gun control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connie_Morella#Congressional_career) (4) In a unanimous vote by its board, FAIRFAX COUNTY recently banned its police department’s practice of trading seized guns back to gun dealers, according to The Washington Post. Instead, the guns will be destroyed so they don’t end up in criminal hands. The supervisors also voted to prohibit the police department from exchanging their used service weapons for new ones, a practice that has become controversial. “I believe that Fairfax county residents have a right to believe that guns seized by police should be returned to their legal owners or destroyed,” Board Chairman Kate Hanley told the newspaper. - (http://www.naco.org/cnews/1999/99-9-27/newsfrom.htm) See also: Here These are all just simple Google searches. Nothing fancy. So far I've only seen one Republican contribution for $500, but that was overshadowed by the $15,000+ contributions to Democrats. |
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What should we call someone who does everything he can to SHUT DOWN local ranges that are open to the public?
-THAT sounds like the actions of an anti-gun activist to me. |
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BLUE RIDGE ARSENAL OWNER SUPPORTS OBAMA Here is the ARFCOM link and the YOUTUBE to prove it Would you kindly STFU now? Or will you only be satisfied by promoting TWO local range boycotts instead of one? What should we call someone who does everything he can to SHUT DOWN local ranges that are open to the public? -THAT sounds like the actions of an anti-gun activist to me. Hey pal, I don't support ANY range shut downs and if you read ANY of what I wrote in the BRA thread you would understand the point I'm trying to make. I suggest you go back and read it before you start telling me to STFU. You all are so hypocritical if you do not call for a boycott. Since you all began with BRA, you now have to continue it. If you are not going to call for a boycott than each one of you needs to go back into the BRA post and publicly denounce your own words. |
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The hell is going on in this thread?
<-only shoots at Gilbert's and NRA anyway ETA: I wanted to post something in bold so I didn't feel left out thanks |
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Popcorn = Check Beer = Check IBTL = Check Could you pass the popcorn? |
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Why not boycott either both ranges, or none of them? One's owner gave Obama a vote, another's gave the Democratic Party money. How is one worse than the other? To boycott only one and not the other is clearly hypocritical.
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If further research is done, you will find out the Marquez's have also donated to Republicans. Dario Marquez was a Secret Service Agent under both democrate and republican parties. Steven Marquez is a former Special Forces Soldier and a DECORATED War Veteran. A donation for Hiliary is not a support for Obama.
In the past, the NRA has supported BOTH democrates and republicans who support our 2nd Ammendment rights. We encourage Democrates AND Republicans to come in and work together to defend our 2nd Ammendment rights. We want those who lack knowledge to leave here with the respect and responsiblity for our 2nd Ammendment rights. Welcome to Thunderdome Silver Eagle. |
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If further research is done, you will find out the Marquez's have also donated to Republicans. Dario Marquez was a Secret Service Agent under both the democrate and republican parties. Steven Marquez is a former Special Forces Soldier and a DECORATED War Veteran. A donation for Hiliary is not a support for Obama.
In the past, the NRA has supported BOTH democrates and republicans who support our 2nd Ammendment rights. We encourage Democrates AND Republicans to come in and work together to defend our 2nd Ammendment rights. We want those who lack knowledge to leave here with the respect and responsiblity for our 2nd Ammendment rights. D Please see me after class. |
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I think that people are correctly concerned that these companies are out to screw the citizens of the United States for their own profit. This is very short sighted thinking because when the bans are in place, these companies will go under.
Silver Eagle seems to be desiring government contracts but they are late in the game and really have limited offerings compared to some of their competitors such as Storm Mountain Training Center, Black Water, GunSite, etc. I guess it's comparable to the rabbit sleeping with the wolves. At some point, the rabbit gets devoured. But hey, this is the road that companies such as Silver Eagle and Blue Ridge have chosen. I've developed a different business plan for my company and its one that supports the community vs. screwing it for profit. Mike |
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Put down the popcorn boys, I am done with this controversy as of this post. Nothing constructive can come out of this - for either range involved. Continueing this only works to reduce the number of shooting venues open to the public. Who wins then?
Moreover, I don't even have a dog in this fight; my only goal was to promote a form of combat pistol shooting oriented toward VA CCW holders and open to the public - that is it. 1bad350 - I am not your "pal." You came into my IDPA threads (here and in the MD/DC hometown) and crapped all over them - and you don't even shoot the Goddamn sport! WTF?!! What is your beef with IDPA? Furthermore, I am not about to heed your demand: "you needs to go back into the BRA post and publicly denounce your own words." In fact, YOU need to read more carefully, but I'll re-post my response for you here (see below in red). Why? Because, I didn't attack your range (over several Hometown forums) or call for any boycott - I DEFENDED HIS RIGHT TO HIS OPINION AND HIS RIGHT TO HIS VOTE YOU MORON. I only questioned whether it was a "wise business move" to go out of his way to put it on YouTube. That's it. Do you think it was a smart business move to post the YouTube video? If so, I guess we disagree on that point. I even took down my post above. Happy now? YOU on the other hand, have gone out of your way to post facts accross several boards with the specific intent to damage not only a new range, but MY SPORT AS WELL. Finally, I did not "tell you to STFU." I simply asked, in the most kind way possible: "Would you kindly STFU now?" Regards, CBR "Certainly the man [Curtis] has a right to vote for who he wants AND he has the right to say almost anything he wants on YouTube (even if doing so would not be a wise business move). For example, if I owned a vegetarian restaurant, I probably would't go boasting about how great Sarah Palin would have been as VP (actually John could have done better but thats another issue). But no one can deny the right of the customer base to "vote with their feet." Simple solution here is: 1) if you agree or don't care about the issue, then carry on as usual. 2) if you are bothered, then there is a list of ranges at the top of the hometown section (soon to include Silver Eagle Group too). No need to argue. Everyone decide for themselves. Quoted:
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. Hey pal, I don't support ANY range shut downs and if you read ANY of what I wrote in the BRA thread you would understand the point I'm trying to make. I suggest you go back and read it before you start telling me to STFU. You all are so hypocritical if you do not call for a boycott. Since you all began with BRA, you now have to continue it. If you are not going to call for a boycott than each one of you needs to go back into the BRA post and publicly denounce your own words. |
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From what I've seen, Silver Eagle wants to get in on the .gov money train. So they are supporting those that they think will benefit their company. I guess it comes down to whether they are willing to shun the average gun owner to get the .gov business. We've seen this from other companies over the years.
Some may say that this is a good business plan. Others may say that it's stupid to offend the average gun owner. If Silver Eagle wants to focus on the .gov end of their business, then that is up to them. I can also choose who gets my money. I don't support those that don't stand up for the 2nd Amendment. |
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Marquez, Scott HERNDON, VA20171 $400 05/12/2008 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Marquez, Scott HERNDON, VA 20171MVM, Inc./Security Services $2,300 01/28/2008 P GERRY CONNOLLY FOR CONGRESS - Democrat (1) Marquez, Dario Jr. MVM Inc./President VIENNAVA22182 500 11/8/2007BECERRA FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT (2) Marquez, Dario OMVM Inc/CEOVIENNAVA22182 2,300 1/31/2008HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT Marquez, Dario O Jr ––IR 1,000 6/30/2007OBAMA FOR AMERICA - DEMOCRAT Marquez, Dario O. Jr.MVM, Inc./Security ServicesVIENNAVA221822, 300 1/28/2008GERRY CONNOLLY FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT Marquez, Dario O. MVM Inc./Executive OAKTONVA22124 300 5/3/2002FRIENDS OF CONNIE MORELLA FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN (3) Marquez, Dario –– OAKTONVA22124- 1,140 12/30/2003KATE HANLEY FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT Marquez, DarioMVM Inc/President and CEOOAKTONVA22124 2,000 6/10/2003KATE HANLEY FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT (4) (1) "The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with its Virginia Million Mom March Chapters, today endorsed Gerry Connolly for Congress in Virginia's 11th Congressional District." - (http://www.bradynetwork.org/site/MessageViewer/&printer_friendly=1?em_id=31361.2) (2) Rep Becerra is the sponsor of a bill requiring "microstamping" for pistols, a technology proven to be flawed and easily defeated by criminals. The bill's co-sponsors were a who's who of gun grabbing totalitarians, including Rep Rahm Emanuel (he who has shown allegiance to a nation other than the United States during a time of war by serving as a civilian in their armed forces, Rep Jesse Jackson, Jr., Rep Carolyn McCarthy (sponsor of HR1022), Rep Charles Rangel, and Rep Chris Van Hollen (3) "Morella opposes her party's positions on...gun control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connie_Morella#Congressional_career) (4) In a unanimous vote by its board, FAIRFAX COUNTY recently banned its police department’s practice of trading seized guns back to gun dealers, according to The Washington Post. Instead, the guns will be destroyed so they don’t end up in criminal hands. The supervisors also voted to prohibit the police department from exchanging their used service weapons for new ones, a practice that has become controversial. “I believe that Fairfax county residents have a right to believe that guns seized by police should be returned to their legal owners or destroyed,” Board Chairman Kate Hanley told the newspaper. - (http://www.naco.org/cnews/1999/99-9-27/newsfrom.htm) See also: Here These are all just simple Google searches. Nothing fancy. So far I've only seen one Republican contribution for $500, but that was overshadowed by the $15,000+ contributions to Democrats. Given that in a nother post you stated: " How can you in all honesty say that he doesn't support our rights? He has devoted his[sic] living to operating that range for the rest of us to enjoy. Do you know what it costs to operate a range? What do the rest of us do to support our cause other that have an NRA and/or VCDL membership? I think I can forgive his vote based on that. Also I must point out that I am not employed by, a member of, or affiliated with BRA in any form or fashion before I get labeled as biased. " So you can forgive Earl and his vote/politics; yet you are going WELL out of your way to bombard any post affilitated with SEG to spam it with the same behavior you rail against when directed at BRA. Rather than to defend BOTH ranges, you seem to want to point out in repeated cut & paste jobs the faults with SEG. I fail to see how anybody can take anything you say seriously when your words and your actions are in direct opposition. |
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Wow - I came home to this?
Guys - in business, one can run their business the way they see fit. Our criticism on the owner's past decisons or recent statements obviously shows the owner how we feel about their decisions. There are a number of businesses out there that support things that some of us wouldn't support - and when we find out about it, we can boycott them ourselves. As one of the earlier posters said, vote with your wallet. But don't go out of your way to piss on someone else because they want to still frequent that place of business. Doing that is just like those dumbasses who throw red dye on the Hollywood stars who wear fur. Just because they don't want to wear fur or eat animals doesn't mean they have the right to make me comply with their desires. |
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I just got the IDPA match email Monday. I can't go to the match tonight, but I was thinking about checking out the facility since I havn't shot at a range other than USPSA matches in over a year since moving to VA.
I escaped MD, but had better access to ranges there than VA... sad... This place looks pretty awesome on the inside from the looks of the website, but some of the philosphy behind the place seems concerning to me... |
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Welcome to VA Zig! I escaped MD in 2000.
There is also an IDPA shoot at the NRA Range: call 703 267 1400 for schedule. The Range down in Stafford had(s?) a monthly IDPA shoot, as does the BRA once a month. Once the weather warms up, you should check out the IDPA shoots down at Black Creek - I have only shot the 3gun down there, but I've met the match director for IDPA and I hear the shoots are some of the best in VA. Finally, once the new Shooters range opens in Woodbridge in March or April 2009, we hope to be able to get both USPSA and IDPA started again if there is interest. CBR |
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Before I say what I am about to say, let me implore all of you not to think or claim I'm saying anything I didn't say. Too often, people claim you "said" something you didn't say, because they fill in blanks for you, despite the fact that saying one thing does not mean it logically follows that you said (or believe) another. I just need to point out why this is nothing more than a red herring, and the easiest way to discredit a fake "point" in someone's favor is to highlight someone else who scores the same point, for whom none of us would ever vote. Heck, I have immense respect for Sen McCain, a highly decorated war veteran, but as presidential candidates and senators go, he sucks the big one. Now, on to my comment. Again, read nothing into it, I'm only demonstrating why SEG's "point" is irrelevant.
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Steven Marquez is a DECORATED War Veteran.
So was Hitler.* * feel free to insert the name of any other "DECORATED War Veteran" you wouldn't vote for, be it Randy "Duke" Cunningham, or some other scumbag. And does it matter that he served in the military? So did Benedict Arnold (and Vidkun Quisling). Point is, being a decorated veteran has nothing to do with your political positions. Anyone who cherishes the right to bear arms, who would support a businessman that gives his money to anti-gun politicians because the businessman was in the military, is just stupid. That "vote for me (or patronize my business), I have a chest full of medals" BS is pathetic. Why not vote for GEN Wesley Clark? I dare you. He's got a Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, a Purple Heart and the CIB. He also made it quite clear he opposes the RKBA. Quoted:
In the past, the NRA has supported BOTH democrates and republicans who support our 2nd Ammendment rights. We encourage Democrates AND Republicans to come in and work together to defend our 2nd Ammendment rights.
But can you find candidates the NRA has supported who are openly hostile to our rights? The Republican at issue, Connie Morella, is anti-gun. The issue is not D or R, it's pro-gun or anti-gun. The Marquezes have, according to publicly available records, only given to staunchly anti-gun candidates. Quoted:
We want those who lack knowledge to leave here with the respect and responsiblity for our 2nd Ammendment rights.
Yeah, just so your warped vision of the 2nd Amendment mirrors Obama's and Clinton's. It's that kind of double talk that gets people to support these bastards, despite the fact they stand for everything you oppose. 'Sure, we support the 2nd Amendment! We don't want to take away any hunters' guns! No, we're not socialists! But we'll make sure Social Security and Medicare never want for funds!' So long as the idiotic masses never realize the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunters, that the new AWB has nothing to do with "taking guns away", and that the programs they support are socialist, they'll keep voting this way, slowly turning up the temperature under the water pot they're sitting in. These Silver Eagle Group people have made their bed, it's public, now they have to sleep in it. I have nothing to say to or about people who choose to go there, except enjoy giving your hard earned dollars to these guys, who will be busy writing checks to the likes of Obama, Clinton, and Gerry Connolly. When the new AWB passes and you can't get accessories for you rifle, and taxes to fund socialist programs get so high you couldn't afford them anyway, you can thank Barack Obama and Scott and Dario Marquez. Might as well give yourself a pat on the back, too. After all, it was your $25 an hour to begin with. |
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All of this aside, my issue with Silver Eagle is how they treated Dane vonBruchenreichardt from the Heller team when he went up to welcome them to the industry. The owner immediately went into a "We don't want to get into the political stuff.." spiel. I had no idea that they were supporting anti's.
My fear is that this (far reaching as it may be) may be an attempt by some anti's to create a "legitimate" gun organization that will side with the anti's to destroy our freedoms. We've seen this kind of stuff before with that sportsmans alliance group. I for one and very concerned about this kind of thing. As for most 2nd Amendment folks, we have a zero tolorance policy. You fuck us, we'll out you and out you big time. This comes from getting fucked by Democrats and Republicans both as well as members of industry such as Bill Ruger, S&W, and others. You give money to people that have openly lobbied for infringement of our 2nd Amendment rights, expect to be labeled as an anti yourself and treated accordingly. I personally have nothing against the Silver Eagle Group or the owners. I wish them all the luck in the world. But, if you are out to harm the industry for your own gains or to destroy the rights of the citizens of the country, then I hope you flame out fast and hard. Mike |
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Originally Posted By Hard Rock:
My fear is that this (far reaching as it may be) may be an attempt by some anti's to create a "legitimate" gun organization that will side with the anti's to destroy our freedoms. We've seen this kind of stuff before with that sportsmans alliance group. I for one and very concerned about this kind of thing. The thought crossed my mind, too. One way to get gun "ownership" to appear legitimate is to associate it with the government. Hence, GEN Clark's comment that "You like to fire assault weapons? I have a place for you. It's not in the homes and streets of America. It's called the Army". Once the mindset becomes one of only cops and soldiers having black rifles, the rest, the political stuff, is easy for them. This is the type of un-American nonsense that prompted Michael Moore (yep, that Michael Moore) to state in 2004, "I have decided to cast my vote in the primary for Wesley Clark." Quoted:
I agree, we should just get all the gun ranges shut down. Look, no one is trying to get gun ranges "shut down." Is it too much to ask that the gun ranges we have not be run by people who support candidates who hate, ridicule, and misunderstand us? This place stikes me as being similar to the AHSA, the "gun" group that endorsed Obama. Support them at your, and OUR peril. These people may be able to convince Obama, et al that the peasants should be allowed continued access to black rifles, machine guns and other NFA stuff at ranges, under controlled conditions. Is that what we want? The Europe model of gun ownership, where it's registered and kept in a locker at a club? Is that what we think the 2nd Amendment means? Because it should go without saying that once that becomes the paradigm for target shooters, everything else we cherish will go the way of the dodo. Then sure, these guys will have a great business model - it will be the only place you can shoot. Even the leftists can show up for an occasional photo op with an MP-5, all under strictly controlled, safe conditions. You know, just to show how they support your rights and didn't "take your guns away." |
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Maybe I'm wrong here but how can it be that people who support your enemy are somehow not your enemy?
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Maybe I'm wrong here but how can it be that people who support your enemy are somehow not your enemy? Randy if we stopped supporting ranges that were not 110% pro 2a no matter what, we wouldnt have any ranges left. Situation sucks, but theres not much anyone can do, except open up another range. Which won't happen. |
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Maybe I'm wrong here but how can it be that people who support your enemy are somehow not your enemy? Randy if we stopped supporting ranges that were not 110% pro 2a no matter what, we wouldnt have any ranges left. Situation sucks, but theres not much anyone can do, except open up another range. Which won't happen. In SEG's case it's more a matter of them being about 3.5% pro-2A, given the info that's publically available. |
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Before I say what I am about to say, let me implore all of you not to think or claim I'm saying anything I didn't say. Too often, people claim you "said" something you didn't say, because they fill in blanks for you, despite the fact that saying one thing does not mean it logically follows that you said (or believe) another. I just need to point out why this is nothing more than a red herring, and the easiest way to discredit a fake "point" in someone's favor is to highlight someone else who scores the same point, for whom none of us would ever vote. Heck, I have immense respect for Sen McCain, a highly decorated war veteran, but as presidential candidates and senators go, he sucks the big one. Now, on to my comment. Again, read nothing into it, I'm only demonstrating why SEG's "point" is irrelevant. Quoted:
Steven Marquez is a DECORATED War Veteran.
So was Hitler.* * feel free to insert the name of any other "DECORATED War Veteran" you wouldn't vote for, be it Randy "Duke" Cunningham, or some other scumbag. And does it matter that he served in the military? So did Benedict Arnold (and Vidkun Quisling). Point is, being a decorated veteran has nothing to do with your political positions. Anyone who cherishes the right to bear arms, who would support a businessman that gives his money to anti-gun politicians because the businessman was in the military, is just stupid. That "vote for me (or patronize my business), I have a chest full of medals" BS is pathetic. Why not vote for GEN Wesley Clark? I dare you. He's got a Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, a Purple Heart and the CIB. He also made it quite clear he opposes the RKBA. Quoted:
In the past, the NRA has supported BOTH democrates and republicans who support our 2nd Ammendment rights. We encourage Democrates AND Republicans to come in and work together to defend our 2nd Ammendment rights.
But can you find candidates the NRA has supported who are openly hostile to our rights? The Republican at issue, Connie Morella, is anti-gun. The issue is not D or R, it's pro-gun or anti-gun. The Marquezes have, according to publicly available records, only given to staunchly anti-gun candidates. Quoted:
We want those who lack knowledge to leave here with the respect and responsiblity for our 2nd Ammendment rights.
Yeah, just so your warped vision of the 2nd Amendment mirrors Obama's and Clinton's. It's that kind of double talk that gets people to support these bastards, despite the fact they stand for everything you oppose. 'Sure, we support the 2nd Amendment! We don't want to take away any hunters' guns! No, we're not socialists! But we'll make sure Social Security and Medicare never want for funds!' So long as the idiotic masses never realize the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunters, that the new AWB has nothing to do with "taking guns away", and that the programs they support are socialist, they'll keep voting this way, slowly turning up the temperature under the water pot they're sitting in. These Silver Eagle Group people have made their bed, it's public, now they have to sleep in it. I have nothing to say to or about people who choose to go there, except enjoy giving your hard earned dollars to these guys, who will be busy writing checks to the likes of Obama, Clinton, and Gerry Connolly. When the new AWB passes and you can't get accessories for you rifle, and taxes to fund socialist programs get so high you couldn't afford them anyway, you can thank Barack Obama and Stephen and Dario Marquez. Might as well give yourself a pat on the back, too. After all, it was your $25 an hour to begin with. Amen. |
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Marquez, Scott HERNDON, VA20171 $400 05/12/2008 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Marquez, Scott HERNDON, VA 20171MVM, Inc./Security Services $2,300 01/28/2008 P GERRY CONNOLLY FOR CONGRESS - Democrat (1) Marquez, Dario Jr. MVM Inc./President VIENNAVA22182 500 11/8/2007BECERRA FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT (2) Marquez, Dario OMVM Inc/CEOVIENNAVA22182 2,300 1/31/2008HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT Marquez, Dario O Jr ––IR 1,000 6/30/2007OBAMA FOR AMERICA - DEMOCRAT Marquez, Dario O. Jr.MVM, Inc./Security ServicesVIENNAVA221822, 300 1/28/2008GERRY CONNOLLY FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT Marquez, Dario O. MVM Inc./Executive OAKTONVA22124 300 5/3/2002FRIENDS OF CONNIE MORELLA FOR CONGRESS - REPUBLICAN (3) Marquez, Dario –– OAKTONVA22124- 1,140 12/30/2003KATE HANLEY FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT Marquez, DarioMVM Inc/President and CEOOAKTONVA22124 2,000 6/10/2003KATE HANLEY FOR CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT (4) (1) "The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with its Virginia Million Mom March Chapters, today endorsed Gerry Connolly for Congress in Virginia's 11th Congressional District." - (http://www.bradynetwork.org/site/MessageViewer/&printer_friendly=1?em_id=31361.2) (2) Rep Becerra is the sponsor of a bill requiring "microstamping" for pistols, a technology proven to be flawed and easily defeated by criminals. The bill's co-sponsors were a who's who of gun grabbing totalitarians, including Rep Rahm Emanuel (he who has shown allegiance to a nation other than the United States during a time of war by serving as a civilian in their armed forces, Rep Jesse Jackson, Jr., Rep Carolyn McCarthy (sponsor of HR1022), Rep Charles Rangel, and Rep Chris Van Hollen (3) "Morella opposes her party's positions on...gun control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connie_Morella#Congressional_career) (4) In a unanimous vote by its board, FAIRFAX COUNTY recently banned its police department’s practice of trading seized guns back to gun dealers, according to The Washington Post. Instead, the guns will be destroyed so they don’t end up in criminal hands. The supervisors also voted to prohibit the police department from exchanging their used service weapons for new ones, a practice that has become controversial. “I believe that Fairfax county residents have a right to believe that guns seized by police should be returned to their legal owners or destroyed,” Board Chairman Kate Hanley told the newspaper. - (http://www.naco.org/cnews/1999/99-9-27/newsfrom.htm) See also: Here These are all just simple Google searches. Nothing fancy. So far I've only seen one Republican contribution for $500, but that was overshadowed by the $15,000+ contributions to Democrats. Given that in a nother post you stated: " How can you in all honesty say that he doesn't support our rights? He has devoted his[sic] living to operating that range for the rest of us to enjoy. Do you know what it costs to operate a range? What do the rest of us do to support our cause other that have an NRA and/or VCDL membership? I think I can forgive his vote based on that. Also I must point out that I am not employed by, a member of, or affiliated with BRA in any form or fashion before I get labeled as biased. " So you can forgive Earl and his vote/politics; yet you are going WELL out of your way to bombard any post affilitated with SEG to spam it with the same behavior you rail against when directed at BRA. Rather than to defend BOTH ranges, you seem to want to point out in repeated cut & paste jobs the faults with SEG. I fail to see how anybody can take anything you say seriously when your words and your actions are in direct opposition. There is only one argument on my part, not two. What I said in the BRA topic must be lumped in to this topic. The whole reason I am pointing the SEG thing out is to give you all an opportunity to do the same thing to them that you did to BRA. I wanted to see if the reaction would be the same. Obviously it is you all that are hypocritical, not me. As I've stated before I do not want to have any ranges close, but the litmus test must be applied fairly across the board. |
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Well, this is depressing. I heard about this place from a co-worker today, but it looks like I may as well just mail a check to the dirty gun-grabber du jour and save the gas driving there.
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There is only one argument on my part, not two. What I said in the BRA topic must be lumped in to this topic. The whole reason I am pointing the SEG thing out is to give you all an opportunity to do the same thing to them that you did to BRA. I wanted to see if the reaction would be the same. Obviously it is you all that are hypocritical, not me. As I've stated before I do not want to have any ranges close, but the litmus test must be applied fairly across the board. Most gun owners in NoVA, including the ones on this thread, have patronized BRA at some point. Back when I lived in Sterling I was there every Friday night with a group of friends. Afterward we'd go out to dinner (open-carry of course, but that's a debate for a different thread...). I took the NRA Basic Pistol class there. I shot a firearm for the first time there. I bought my first pistol there. I took my CCW course there. Back when I was the Second Amendment Sisters National Press Coordinator I took journalists from all over the world there for shooting time and interviews, and the prior owner was very accomodating when I did. You get the picture. The owner's statement that he voted for BO felt like a kick in the gut because this was from a business I knew, patronized, and liked. Compare that to SEG, which has only been open a few weeks and is way out of my price range (even if I were still living in the area)... well, I just don't have a history with them, and hadn't really expected to go to that range anyway since I don't live in the area any more. So, when I read that the folks making money off the place support the worst of the hard-core anti's, well, I just sigh, shake my head at the Zumbo-esque stupidity on their part, and move on. As for the hypocrites... I don't count all that many folks here or on the other sites where the info has been posted who will be darkening SEG's doorstep any time soon. |
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I think I would suggest to the original poster some positive PR. Otherwise, you are going to be missing out on a lot of business. Perhaps invite the VCDL in and present them with their first annual donation of $1000?
I was seriously considering getting the annual pass there, but I'm not so sure now. I may keep with my original plan and head back to Hap Baker in Caroll County. |
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Welcome to VA Zig! I escaped MD in 2000. There is also an IDPA shoot at the NRA Range: call 703 267 1400 for schedule. The Range down in Stafford had(s?) a monthly IDPA shoot, as does the BRA once a month. Once the weather warms up, you should check out the IDPA shoots down at Black Creek - I have only shot the 3gun down there, but I've met the match director for IDPA and I hear the shoots are some of the best in VA. Finally, once the new Shooters range opens in Woodbridge in March or April 2009, we hope to be able to get both USPSA and IDPA started again if there is interest. CBR Thanks for the welcome! I've been working in VA for the past 2 1/2 years, but just moved here about 15 months ago. I've been doing USPSA up in Frederick still over the summer. I've yet to visit NRA, but it's a little far away from NW Loudoun. I'd love to do some 3-gun - only done it twice. I'll have to find out where Black Creek is at and what their schedule is. I heard about Woodbridge from VCDL emails, but am not entirely sure where that is yet. Looks like I'll have to check it out unless SEG changes their tune. Thanks! |
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I think I would suggest to the original poster some positive PR. Otherwise, you are going to be missing out on a lot of business. Perhaps invite the VCDL in and present them with their first annual donation of $1000? Excellent idea! SilverEagle2008.....show your face in this thread! Tell us when you're meeting with VCDL. And while you're at it, maybe you can make a CLEAR statement that explains your stance on the 2nd Amendment and perhaps how you'll use your position in the firearms community to ensure that another AWB doesn't happen. |
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I usually try not to get involved with these type threads, I choose to keep my thoughts to myself and let my convictions dictate my actions. But I think we're at a point where we do need to be vocal and active against every threat that darkens our doorstep. The Aussies rolled over after, albeit, a terrible tragedy and now they lost everything. We can't afford the same, and every dollar that supports the opposition or every voter, deserves our scrutiny. I won't advocate anything but people making up their own mind, but the facts in the case of Silver Eagle and BRA seem convincing enough for me to stay away from both. Each wants to make some GREEN off of us, but they do not share our convictions towards the 2A as demonstrated by their words and actions. I don't give a darn if someone is a lifelong LEO if they support a person who has proved they are not for our rights - they are in it for the profit and I'd suspect most of the money at risk is not theirs. It may not happen today, or tomorrow, or even in the first 2 years, but it is coming. Watch what happens if the 2010 mid-terms add even more liberals to the Congress. Link to an article that adds relevancy to the debate:
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Lets see if SE will promote the NRA. That will be the real test. I have seen BRA promote the NRA.
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SilverEagle2008 where are you????? I've been thinking the same thing... I was hoping for some constructive dialog with the OP to determine how the owners of SEG could better support the community that they are seeking to support them. |
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It's apparent that nobody really cares as there are multiple topics pushing the shooting events at SEG.
Pretty fucked up considering what they did to BRA in the other thread. |
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It's apparent that nobody really cares as there are multiple topics pushing the shooting events at SEG. Pretty fucked up considering what they did to BRA in the other thread. BRA has been around many years for people to be bitter at them so it takes less to set them off , I guess. |
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I don't care about BRA as I never shoot there.
I'd shoot at Silver Eagle if I could understand their values. So the question to Silver Eagle is: What was your position on the last AWB and what is your postion on a future AWB as it relates to individual gun owners? |
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I don't care about BRA as I never shoot there. I'd shoot at Silver Eagle if I could understand their values. So the question to Silver Eagle is: What was your position on the last AWB and what is your postion on a future AWB as it relates to individual gun owners? The answer to that specific question doesn't matter. Actions speak louder than words. |
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I don't care about BRA as I never shoot there. I'd shoot at Silver Eagle if I could understand their values. So the question to Silver Eagle is: What was your position on the last AWB and what is your postion on a future AWB as it relates to individual gun owners? The answer to that specific question doesn't matter. Actions speak louder than words. Yeah and their actions (and inaction on this site now it seems) have spoken volumes for me at least. I know I won't be spending any of my hard earned script there or any place that takes actions such as they did and supports anyone that is anti-second amendment. |
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I don't care about BRA as I never shoot there. I'd shoot at Silver Eagle if I could understand their values. So the question to Silver Eagle is: What was your position on the last AWB and what is your position on a future AWB as it relates to individual gun owners? The answer to that specific question doesn't matter. Actions speak louder than words. In fairness to them.....most companies lobby both sides of the aisle. It's just good business. But I want to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. |
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It's not good business, especially when one side of the aisle finds out about the other side.
I'd hate to equate it to adultery but the figurative similarities are plenty. |
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What is going on???
Omg its warzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!! Anti 2nd, then F#%@ You! |
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Before I say what I am about to say, let me implore all of you not to think or claim I'm saying anything I didn't say. Too often, people claim you "said" something you didn't say, because they fill in blanks for you, despite the fact that saying one thing does not mean it logically follows that you said (or believe) another. I just need to point out why this is nothing more than a red herring, and the easiest way to discredit a fake "point" in someone's favor is to highlight someone else who scores the same point, for whom none of us would ever vote. Heck, I have immense respect for Sen McCain, a highly decorated war veteran, but as presidential candidates and senators go, he sucks the big one. Now, on to my comment. Again, read nothing into it, I'm only demonstrating why SEG's "point" is irrelevant. Quoted:
Steven Marquez is a DECORATED War Veteran.
So was Hitler.* * feel free to insert the name of any other "DECORATED War Veteran" you wouldn't vote for, be it Randy "Duke" Cunningham, or some other scumbag. And does it matter that he served in the military? So did Benedict Arnold (and Vidkun Quisling). Point is, being a decorated veteran has nothing to do with your political positions. Anyone who cherishes the right to bear arms, who would support a businessman that gives his money to anti-gun politicians because the businessman was in the military, is just stupid. That "vote for me (or patronize my business), I have a chest full of medals" BS is pathetic. Why not vote for GEN Wesley Clark? I dare you. He's got a Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, a Purple Heart and the CIB. He also made it quite clear he opposes the RKBA. Quoted:
In the past, the NRA has supported BOTH democrates and republicans who support our 2nd Ammendment rights. We encourage Democrates AND Republicans to come in and work together to defend our 2nd Ammendment rights.
But can you find candidates the NRA has supported who are openly hostile to our rights? The Republican at issue, Connie Morella, is anti-gun. The issue is not D or R, it's pro-gun or anti-gun. The Marquezes have, according to publicly available records, only given to staunchly anti-gun candidates. Quoted:
We want those who lack knowledge to leave here with the respect and responsiblity for our 2nd Ammendment rights.
Yeah, just so your warped vision of the 2nd Amendment mirrors Obama's and Clinton's. It's that kind of double talk that gets people to support these bastards, despite the fact they stand for everything you oppose. 'Sure, we support the 2nd Amendment! We don't want to take away any hunters' guns! No, we're not socialists! But we'll make sure Social Security and Medicare never want for funds!' So long as the idiotic masses never realize the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunters, that the new AWB has nothing to do with "taking guns away", and that the programs they support are socialist, they'll keep voting this way, slowly turning up the temperature under the water pot they're sitting in. These Silver Eagle Group people have made their bed, it's public, now they have to sleep in it. I have nothing to say to or about people who choose to go there, except enjoy giving your hard earned dollars to these guys, who will be busy writing checks to the likes of Obama, Clinton, and Gerry Connolly. When the new AWB passes and you can't get accessories for you rifle, and taxes to fund socialist programs get so high you couldn't afford them anyway, you can thank Barack Obama and Scott and Dario Marquez. Might as well give yourself a pat on the back, too. After all, it was your $25 an hour to begin with. I don't have much to say about this range issue, BUT obviously you do not know the Special Forces Community. I know Steve Marquez and your "red herring" is nothing more than an insult to me, the Special Forces Community and every person that has ever worn a uniform. I understand your logic BUT you could NEVER take Steve's record and insert someone else's name. Now on the range issue, I don't see how any NEW range is a bad thing. I don't care if Mr. Obama opened a range himself. Despite my feelings towards him, I'd still support it and I have a feeling that the NRA would too. I'm a PROUD member of the NRA and I do not agree with everything they do, but I'm not going to "boycott" them. |
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i think his point is well taken and, honestly, if you take it as an insult, you are letting your personal feelings cloud a rationale argument...
use a different example....Jimmy Carter....Naval Academy graduate.... John F. Kennedy....won the Navy Cross whereas I admire and respect the service both men rendered to their Country, it does not automatically grant them a reprieve when it comes to horrendous political judgment... Glarus did not, in any way, diminish Mr. Marquez's military accomplishments....quite the contrary, he simply sought to point out that being distinguished and showing good judgment in one does not lead to success and automatic respect in the other...Wesley Clark was a perfect example for him to proffer... There are plenty of anti-gun democrats that serve in our Nation's Armed Forces...thats what makes our military so great, it draws all kinds... but the fact of this service does not automatically mean they are given a pass on poor judgment in their civilian lives.... also, for the record, if Barack Obama opened a range, and it was the only public range available to me, I'd spend the money and join a private shooting club, make friends with people who had land, or drive to shoot....would you buy thin mint cookies if the KKK sold them instead of the girl scouts? no? and why not? don't like thin mints? or is it because no matter how much you like thin mints you wouldn't ever give to the KKK? at some point principle has to override convenience... i don't particularly respect people that preach to me about saving the planet as they drive around in their gas guzzling SUVs I don't respect or understand the hordes of rich white kids I always see protesting the G8 when they neither represent, understand, or have ever experienced the third world countries they so vehemently defend (ever watch one of these rallies? count the number of brown, black, or tan faces you see....then count the amount of eddie bauer and north face clothing in the crowd...poor my ass) and, finally, I don't respect someone who claims to support the RKBA and then contributes to and supports some of its staunchest opponents... 1badf350 is right...actions do speak louder than words....and the actions I see show me that, in this instance, the fox is in the henhouse....to use a line from a great movie: "they're stealing the baby's lollipop while they're kissing him" I am glad that Mr. Marquez so honorably served our country.....so have many other people that have not made the same political maneuvers that he has....and if any of those people ever opens a range, I'll frequent it.... |
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your "red herring" is nothing more than an insult to me...and every person that has ever worn a uniform. Umm, I have worn a uniform, and you obviously don't speak for me. More importantly, you obviously didn't get my point. In no way do I attempt to diminish what he did while serving in the armed forces; I just assign it no value in the matter at hand, though SEG wrongly implied we should. Once again, Randy Cunningham earned the Navy Cross and 2 Silver Stars in Vietnam. Then he pled guilty to tax evasion, conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, and wire fraud, committed while serving in the U.S. House of Representatives. So would you like to vote for him? Without seeing Stephen Marquez's record, I'm certain Duke Cunningham is more highly decorated. So he surely deserves our vote, right? LBJ earned the Silver Star before leading America into the second major campaign toward becoming a socialist country (the Great Society, following FDR's New Deal). Want to patronize his gun range? The two things have nothing to do with one another. You can laud a person for one thing, and demonize him for the other. It's not hard to figure out. Or is it? Quoted:
also, for the record, if Barack Obama opened a range, and it was the only public range available to me, I'd spend the money and join a private shooting club, make friends with people who had land, or drive to shoot....would you buy thin mint cookies if the KKK sold them instead of the girl scouts? no? and why not? don't like thin mints? or is it because no matter how much you like thin mints you wouldn't ever give to the KKK? What he said. Hopefully his illustration makes it more clear. |
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your "red herring" is nothing more than an insult to me...and every person that has ever worn a uniform. Umm, I have worn a uniform, and you obviously don't speak for me.
You're absolutely correct...I should have replaced the word uniform with GREEN BERET. I'd be interested in knowing what kind of uniform you wore. You do not sound like a man who has served this great country. |
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also, for the record, if Barack Obama opened a range, and it was the only public range available to me, I'd spend the money and join a private shooting club, make friends with people who had land, or drive to shoot....would you buy thin mint cookies if the KKK sold them instead of the girl scouts? no? and why not? don't like thin mints? or is it because no matter how much you like thin mints you wouldn't ever give to the KKK?
VERY different things. ANY gun range or store, SUPPORTS our second amendment rights. A range of any kind will educate all kinds of people. So I will support it. The KKK does not sell anything that supports Civil Rights. |
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