. MKE AT-94K ??? i want to build a pdw, are these quality?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - . MKE AT-94K ??? i want to build a pdw, are these quality?

Posted: 3/31/2010 6:14:08 AM EDT

i want to build a mp5k-pdw weapon. i cant afford a sp-89, for obvious reasons, $$$.... the sp-89 thread had some information on the mke at-94k. i basically know absolutely nothing about this manufacturer, other than its in turkey. the local gun shop, claimed they were " pieces of shit", and actually refused to order one for me.

...... im looking for info.. who has one, or had one? how high is the quality?

mke.

i stole this picture from the sp89 thread. its the background on my computer. this is EXACTLY, what i want to build, complete with a supressor. im planning to buy something in less than 2 weeks, would you reccommend this gun as a base weapon? i already know a few parts will need to be changed to be legal, and a pdw barrel installed. i need opinions.

Posted: 3/31/2010 6:18:45 AM EDT

[#1]

tag

Posted: 3/31/2010 6:45:08 AM EDT

[#2]

Good luck getting that barrel threaded.

Posted: 3/31/2010 7:04:09 AM EDT

[#3]

i think he plans on buying a new three lug barrel- i would anyway

Posted: 3/31/2010 9:07:37 AM EDT

[#4]

Have you added up all the dollars for making this gun? It gets a bit expensive due to the barrel.

You state that the bottom picture is "EXACTLY" what you want to build but it has no paddle mag release. Did you forget that? If so, you need to stop yelling the word "EXACTLY" when you're talking about the picture.

I think it would be notably cheaper to go with a CA89K.

Posted: 3/31/2010 9:44:58 AM EDT

[#5]

I have one I bought from Gordon Miller (HK Specialist) for the same purpose. The gun is nice - not quite as nice as a factory SP-89, but better than I anticipated and more importantly it runs without my having to buy or swap any parts. I recently had it re-barreled with an RCM MP5K-N barrel and refinished by Jeff Walters / Ghilliebear2000. Jeff's work is exceptional and priced competitively with the "bigger name" smiths out there. The Norrell's finish that Jeff applied is definitely closer to HK's than the flat black OEM finish that MKE uses, which looks more like powder coating. MKE's welds are hit and miss, with some showing a higher level of craftsmenship than others. The only issue I've found is that the MKE-produced magazine that came with it can be difficult to seat / lock into the mag well; factory German and ATI Korean mags fit and lock easily however.

I did not buy the gun as or ever intend for it to be a sear host, so the block that MKE welds into the receiver doesn't really bother me. I have access to plenty of fully automatic hardware at work if I need to fill that particular cup. Its otherwise a well-built example of the roller-locked guns that HK sadly no longer imports, and I'm happy with it.

Hope this helps,
Clint

Posted: 3/31/2010 10:03:38 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
I have one I bought from Gordon Miller (HK Specialist) for the same purpose. The gun is nice - not quite as nice as a factory SP-89, but better than I anticipated and more importantly it runs without my having to buy or swap any parts. I recently had it re-barreled with an RCM MP5K-N barrel and refinished by Jeff Walters / Ghilliebear2000. Jeff's work is exceptional and priced competitively with the "bigger name" smiths out there. The Norrell's finish that Jeff applied is definitely closer to HK's than the flat black OEM finish that MKE uses, which looks more like powder coating. MKE's welds are hit and miss, with some showing a higher level of craftsmenship than others. The only issue I've found is that the MKE-produced magazine that came with it can be difficult to seat / lock into the mag well; factory German and ATI Korean mags fit and lock easily however.

I did not buy the gun as or ever intend for it to be a sear host, so the block that MKE welds into the receiver doesn't really bother me. I have access to plenty of fully automatic hardware at work if I need to fill that particular cup. Its otherwise a well-built example of the roller-locked guns that HK sadly no longer imports, and I'm happy with it.

Hope this helps,
Clint

What was the cost of the re-barrel work?

Posted: 3/31/2010 10:30:28 AM EDT

[#7]

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What was the cost of the re-barrel work?

I honestly can't remember the cost of just the barrel work; the total cost for re-barrel; installation of new triple frame and front sling pin; install HK-type semi-only shelf; and receiver clean-up with re-finish was $275. (I supplied the parts, which I picked up from a few different sources.)

Posted: 3/31/2010 2:26:13 PM EDT

[#8]

I'm very happy with my MKE. I have had my paperwork out a few weeks now for the SBR so hopefully it will be complete in a few months. I'd like to get it refinshed as well, but it isn't necessary. Just the crappy thing is getting all the 922 r parts for the SBR.
Edited for the crappy cell phone pic:

Posted: 3/31/2010 2:29:02 PM EDT

[#9]

Honestly, I would opt on the side of a real SP89, Its a lot more but you will have a real H&K and you'll love it all that much more.

Posted: 3/31/2010 2:41:24 PM EDT

[#10]

If you ever plan on running a sear, this gun isn't for you. If you're set on a 3 lug for a suppressor I think IGF charges $400 to swap out the barrel. I thought long and hard about which SP89 clone to get and I ended up with a Vector, but I would have purchased a Cohaire before I picked up MKE AT-94K, simply because I eventually plan on running it with a sear.

Posted: 3/31/2010 2:45:39 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

I'm very happy with my MKE. I have had my paperwork out a few weeks now for the SBR so hopefully it will be complete in a few months. I'd like to get it refinshed as well, but it isn't necessary. Just the crappy thing is getting all the 922 r parts for the SBR.

Edited for the crappy cell phone pic:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/captshiess/MKE.jpg

922r parts for an SBR... There is controversy about this...

Posted: 3/31/2010 3:04:21 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
i want to build a mp5k-pdw weapon. i cant afford a sp-89, for obvious reasons, $$$.... the sp-89 thread had some information on the mke at-94k. i basically know absolutely nothing about this manufacturer, other than its in turkey. the local gun shop, claimed they were " pieces of shit", and actually refused to order one for me.

...... im looking for info.. who has one, or had one? how high is the quality?

mke.
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/ATI_AT94K.jpg

i stole this picture from the sp89 thread. its the background on my computer. this is EXACTLY, what i want to build, complete with a supressor. im planning to buy something in less than 2 weeks, would you reccommend this gun as a base weapon? i already know a few parts will need to be changed to be legal, and a pdw barrel installed. i need opinions.

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/008zz7.jpg

Wow, the triple frame in the OPs top pic is installed backwards

Posted: 3/31/2010 4:13:23 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
i think he plans on buying a new three lug barrel- i would anyway

yup... hk parts has the pdw barrel i believe, im planning to replace the factory barrel.

Posted: 3/31/2010 4:14:29 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Have you added up all the dollars for making this gun? It gets a bit expensive due to the barrel.

You state that the bottom picture is "EXACTLY" what you want to build but it has no paddle mag release. Did you forget that? If so, you need to stop yelling the word "EXACTLY" when you're talking about the picture.
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/008zz7.jpg
I think it would be notably cheaper to go with a CA89K.

the mke has a paddle mag release...... that would not have to be replaced would it??

Posted: 3/31/2010 4:30:56 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Have you added up all the dollars for making this gun? It gets a bit expensive due to the barrel.

You state that the bottom picture is "EXACTLY" what you want to build but it has no paddle mag release. Did you forget that? If so, you need to stop yelling the word "EXACTLY" when you're talking about the picture.
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/008zz7.jpg
I think it would be notably cheaper to go with a CA89K.

the mke has a paddle mag release...... that would not have to be replaced would it??

... GOAL !!!!!!!im after a small, short carbine, for easy carry.easy conceilment in my atv cargo box, under the seat of my truck etc. i have always loved the mp5k especiallywith the stock.. im not EXACTLY on a tight budget, but i cant spend $4000+ on this gun either. if i cant work out this mp5k to my desired cost=quality=happiness factor, ill go to one of my other choices. i was leaning towards a pistol caliber in the really short barrells, due to, not wanting to go deaf. in the aug, with 16 inch barrel 5.56 will be fine.

1. mp5-k pdw....... $...????.................. ....................................................................$1200.00,..gun, + tax stamp(stock)+ parts( us legal)+ some gunsmithing.... possibly pdw barel replacement, $400.00?HELL TOTAL COST??? $1200.00 gun, + stamp $200, + pdw barrel , $400, stock $100+, sight, $2-300, usmade parts, $??? 200??... total .. $2500.00 +
2. 10" pistol,.( whichever one uses uzi mags in 9mm..... and add a stock.............. $1200.00, + stamp+ stock= probably 50% of the total cost of the mp5k.... gun, stamp, stock$..$1500.003. msar aug..e4....16 inch barrelled carbine, with overall length of a 10" ar15. $1200 ( approx).... no tax stamp, ( except for supressor,

if the mke is going to be too much work, and cost, ill go with either a 10 inch 9mm ar-15, or a msar aug....... wish sp89 were still $1000.00

i remember holding a colt, 9mm ar-15, smg , with a approx 10" barrel a few years ago, and it felt great. really compact gun. i want something that magazines are easily available for. gotta research that next... keep the info coming guys, its really helping out.

Posted: 3/31/2010 4:54:43 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Have you added up all the dollars for making this gun? It gets a bit expensive due to the barrel.

You state that the bottom picture is "EXACTLY" what you want to build but it has no paddle mag release. Did you forget that? If so, you need to stop yelling the word "EXACTLY" when you're talking about the picture.
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/008zz7.jpg
I think it would be notably cheaper to go with a CA89K.

the mke has a paddle mag release...... that would not have to be replaced would it??

The MKE comes with a paddle release but the gun in your PDW picture does not.

Posted: 3/31/2010 5:33:02 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Have you added up all the dollars for making this gun? It gets a bit expensive due to the barrel.

You state that the bottom picture is "EXACTLY" what you want to build but it has no paddle mag release. Did you forget that? If so, you need to stop yelling the word "EXACTLY" when you're talking about the picture.
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/008zz7.jpg
I think it would be notably cheaper to go with a CA89K.

the mke has a paddle mag release...... that would not have to be replaced would it??

... GOAL !!!!!!!im after a small, short carbine, for easy carry.easy conceilment in my atv cargo box, under the seat of my truck etc. i have always loved the mp5k especiallywith the stock.. im not EXACTLY on a tight budget, but i cant spend $4000+ on this gun either. if i cant work out this mp5k to my desired cost=quality=happiness factor, ill go to one of my other choices. i was leaning towards a pistol caliber in the really short barrells, due to, not wanting to go deaf. in the aug, with 16 inch barrel 5.56 will be fine.

1. mp5-k pdw....... $...????.................. ....................................................................$1200.00,..gun, + tax stamp(stock)+ parts( us legal)+ some gunsmithing.... possibly pdw barel replacement, $400.00?HELL TOTAL COST??? $1200.00 gun, + stamp $200, + pdw barrel , $400, stock $100+, sight, $2-300, usmade parts, $??? 200??... total .. $2500.00 +
2. 10" pistol,.( whichever one uses uzi mags in 9mm..... and add a stock.............. $1200.00, + stamp+ stock= probably 50% of the total cost of the mp5k.... gun, stamp, stock$..$1500.003. msar aug..e4....16 inch barrelled carbine, with overall length of a 10" ar15. $1200 ( approx).... no tax stamp, ( except for supressor,

if the mke is going to be too much work, and cost, ill go with either a 10 inch 9mm ar-15, or a msar aug....... wish sp89 were still $1000.00

i remember holding a colt, 9mm ar-15, smg , with a approx 10" barrel a few years ago, and it felt great. really compact gun. i want something that magazines are easily available for. gotta research that next... keep the info coming guys, its really helping out.

I have a Colt 9mm SBR and the MKE shoots much nicer. The AR15 in 9mm is cool, but it is longer, and the recoil is much different. I'd go with the MKE. I can't afford the sear so I don't care that it wont be able to go full auto. As far as mags go, the Korean mags are excellent and cheap right now. Much better than good metal form mags you need to run the Colt 100%.

Posted: 3/31/2010 5:49:09 PM EDT

[#18]

i know the picture i posted does not have the paddle mag release.

it was just the closest i could come to what i wanted picture wise. i want the mp5k the most, but it has to be a realistic price. if i could buy the mke, and then add the parts over time, and do the tax over time, for about $2500-$3000, i could live with it. i was just worried about the quality etc. .

Posted: 3/31/2010 9:50:37 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
i know the picture i posted does not have the paddle mag release.

it was just the closest i could come to what i wanted picture wise. i want the mp5k the most, but it has to be a realistic price. if i could buy the mke, and then add the parts over time, and do the tax over time, for about $2500-$3000, i could live with it. i was just worried about the quality etc. .

You could do it for way less than $2500. MKE $1300, stock, foregrip $140, tax stamp $200, US parts probably around $100-$200 = around $1800 or so. Less than 2k for sure and it works 100%. I guess if you added the 3 lug it may be more. I know a guy does the 3 lug for like $150 without having to replace the barrel, but I don't remember his name. Someone in this forum was talking about it.

Posted: 4/1/2010 4:40:22 AM EDT

[#20]

Yeah, seems I remember someone doing a 3 lug adapter too. Thread the barrel and screw the 3lug on though I guess that won't work for the MKE PDW idea.
I personally wouldn't have the worries some folks seem to about the gun. So far it seems the big complaint is no 3 lug and no ability to run a sear. I could give a shit about the sear. With prices in the 10k+ range that ain't never gonna happen. I can pull the trigger really fast to save 10 freekin grand.
While a 3 lug looks cool would I ever use it? Probably not. In the case of the PDW a can by nature ruins the compact nature of the gun so why bother? I certainly don't need it to feel better about the size of my dick. To each there own I guess.
Personally, I'm glad the MKE is available now. It offers us something over finicky US made clones that in most cases need another $500 spent on them to work right.

Posted: 4/1/2010 7:17:00 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Yeah, seems I remember someone doing a 3 lug adapter too. Thread the barrel and screw the 3lug on though I guess that won't work for the MKE PDW idea.
I personally wouldn't have the worries some folks seem to about the gun. So far it seems the big complaint is no 3 lug and no ability to run a sear. I could give a shit about the sear. With prices in the 10k+ range that ain't never gonna happen. I can pull the trigger really fast to save 10 freekin grand.
While a 3 lug looks cool would I ever use it? Probably not. In the case of the PDW a can by nature ruins the compact nature of the gun so why bother? I certainly don't need it to feel better about the size of my dick. To each there own I guess.
Personally, I'm glad the MKE is available now. It offers us something over finicky US made clones that in most cases need another $500 spent on them to work right.

+1, that's exactly why I went with a MKE. I first had the cohaire ca89k and it SUCKED! I couldn't get it to run. I actually really like the look of no three lug barrel and currently I don't have a 9mm can anyway. I guess it would be nice to run it with a can, but like you said, it would kind of negate the "compact" design of a PDW. I'm very happy with my purchase and it is going to be awesome when it is a little PDW clone after my paperwork comes back.

Posted: 4/1/2010 7:22:27 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Yeah, seems I remember someone doing a 3 lug adapter too. Thread the barrel and screw the 3lug on though I guess that won't work for the MKE PDW idea.
I personally wouldn't have the worries some folks seem to about the gun. So far it seems the big complaint is no 3 lug and no ability to run a sear. I could give a shit about the sear. With prices in the 10k+ range that ain't never gonna happen. I can pull the trigger really fast to save 10 freekin grand.
While a 3 lug looks cool would I ever use it? Probably not. In the case of the PDW a can by nature ruins the compact nature of the gun so why bother?

The mod does not permanently attach a large can to the gun. You might be thinking of an SD model. It merely allows you to quickly attach one after you get it out. I don't really follow your logic in this last part of your statement.

I certainly don't need it to feel better about the size of my dick. To each there own I guess.

So are we to derive from this that you did indeed shoot a full auto suppressed MP5K in the past and that it made you feel better about your dick size? I mean hey, you had to have some history there to cause this unsolicited sharing and association between the two. I don't really feel like I need to feel better about my dick size but I usually tip the hooker a little better if she mentioned how big it was. You know, since we're sharing.

Personally, I'm glad the MKE is available now. It offers us something over finicky US made clones that in most cases need another $500 spent on them to work right.

Most clones that require mods to work correctly are typically under $100. A handful of others have needed a sub-$200 bolt head. Some have even returned their guns to Coharie and they furnished the parts for free, under the lifetime warranty. Mine only required a $10 spring that I already had in my parts box. YMMV

Oh, and just for the record, as I mentioned in the other thread... I got to play with an MKE one time and it looked and felt really good. I think the referenced dealer was a little full of shit to just write them off as crap. The one I got to inspect had good welds, nice finish, and seemed to hand cycle smooth. I think that anyone that gets one of them will be perfectly happy with it. I might eventually get one too, just to play with.

Posted: 4/1/2010 8:42:43 AM EDT

[#23]

base on you post in the sp89 one, are you still planning on using this project as a carry gun ?

If you are, why bother putting a lot of money into it. because more than likely the first time you use it, your gonna lose it and be made out to be some nut job carring it. And dont think someone wont dig up your very comments to make you out to look like a nut job, all they have to do is look here.

What you decide to do is your business, but I believe it was already suggested once to you and recommended not to make this weapon your carry gun...................

Quoted:
id use a sbr mp5k for home defense...... after all, your using the same gun the cops shoot civilians with....... what could be more legal, or safe to use? id bet 50% minimum of police departments use mp5's....

You also said this : well maybe not shooting them.... but its hard to blmame a civilian for using a murdering mp5 assault devil gun, when most police departments use the same guns... didnt mean for it to come out wrong.[/quote]

Posted: 4/1/2010 10:21:10 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
base on you post in the sp89 one, are you still planning on using this project as a carry gun ?

If you are, why bother putting a lot of money into it. because more than likely the first time you use it, your gonna lose it and be made out to be some nut job carring it. And dont think someone wont dig up your very comments to make you out to look like a nut job, all they have to do is look here.

What you decide to do is your business, but I believe it was already suggested once to you and recommended not to make this weapon your carry gun...................

Quoted:
id use a sbr mp5k for home defense...... after all, your using the same gun the cops shoot civilians with....... what could be more legal, or safe to use? id bet 50% minimum of police departments use mp5's....

You also said this : well maybe not shooting them.... but its hard to blmame a civilian for using a murdering mp5 assault devil gun, when most police departments use the same guns... didnt mean for it to come out wrong.

[/quote]

*sigh*..

first of all, im not claiming police departments are murdering civilians on a daily basis, with mp5 smg's. i was simply stating, if iever had to use it in a home defense capacity, i would not be especially worried about using that weapon, as so many police departments use them, the enormous amout of them used by the government, gives them a common use/ capacity, which demonstrates your using a effective, gun, that is not unusual, and is widely used by the police. therefore making it harder to make you look like a madman ....... its much harder to make you look " crazy", when your using the same gun as most police departments..... now a full auto belt fed saw, or m60 machine gun, might make you look a little more.... out there..

im also not planning to use it as a carry gun. i would carry it in my atv storage box, as a truck gun, or a home defense gun.

perhaps i used a poor choice of words when i posted in the sp-89 thread. i can say however, you can search all my threads, and you would be hard pressed to find anything threatening, supporting breaking the law, unlawfully shooting criminals, or pretty much anything else illegal...... i appreciate your concern however for my welfare....... thank you....

Posted: 4/1/2010 10:24:21 AM EDT

[#25]

if i did buy the mke. i would replace the barrel with the pdw barrel, because there is no point going this far, without getting a supressor for it .

...... iv just always loved this weapon. also, im not worried about not being able to put a sear in it, as unless i win the lottery, ill never have the $$ for anything like that.

Posted: 4/1/2010 10:31:42 AM EDT

[#26]

my concern is for your welfare and the welfare of what sounds like could be a very nice weapon, only to get confiscated if used in a shooting. Not sure how things are done by the police force in your area but I know many will take possession of the firearm used in a shooting, even self defense until the investigation is complete.

I surely would not want some property officer or some other officer treating my expensive property as a tennis ball when they just toss them into a basket or onto the shelf. Not too mention some agencies will use and engraver to mark property. Remember, not all police are firearms savvy or enthusiasts. So there is no telling what could happen to your weapon.

Good luck with however you decide to use it.

Posted: 4/1/2010 10:39:44 AM EDT

[#27]

i appreciate the thought. i agree 100% you should never use a gun you " really like, is really expensive, or is a heirloom" for self defense, because as you said... its almost guaranteed to be confiscated, until the trial is over, probably abused while in custody, and quite possibly never seen again. ..........wish there was some other way around it, but if faced with a threat, my current ccw, is a kimber cdp.... so thats a $1100.00 gun lost for a while if ever used. its sucks... i do appreciate what you were saying. i was not making fun of you. my original sp-89 post was kinda fubar the more i think about it.

Posted: 4/1/2010 10:46:22 AM EDT

[#28]

we all say things that sound or are taken from the way they were intended

if you were making fun of me, its ok......................... not the first time and not the last time

................................ no offense was taken

We EXPECT pics of the weapon once you are done building it

Posted: 4/2/2010 11:10:31 AM EDT

[#29]

I want to SBR one of these - who do i send the gun to for a 3 lug barrel install?

Posted: 4/2/2010 12:55:32 PM EDT

[#30]

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I want to SBR one of these - who do i send the gun to for a 3 lug barrel install?

Just sent mine off to Ghille Bear 2000 today! He is throwing in a POF 3 lug and doing some other work on it.

Posted: 4/2/2010 4:12:01 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
i appreciate the thought. i agree 100% you should never use a gun you " really like, is really expensive, or is a heirloom" for self defense, because as you said... its almost guaranteed to be confiscated, until the trial is over, probably abused while in custody, and quite possibly never seen again. ..........wish there was some other way around it, but if faced with a threat, my current ccw, is a kimber cdp.... so thats a $1100.00 gun lost for a while if ever used. its sucks... i do appreciate what you were saying. i was not making fun of you. my original sp-89 post was kinda fubar the more i think about it.

My car gun is a Ruger P89. The most dependable auto handgun I've ever shot... and I've shot a lot of handguns. It is big, bulky, and heavy but it always goes bang when you pull the trigger. And you could easily beat someone to death with it if you run out of ammo. I think I paid about $300 for it.

The main problem with using an NFA weapon for personal protection is that they usually look like scary machine guns. And when the cops see one they automatically think you were out gunning for someone intead of just defending yourself. They look like they were made for offense instead of defense. Then when they find out that it's a "restricted weapon" it won't even matter if the restriction is just due to a short barrel. It will all sound bad and that will just work against you. Heaven forbid that they ever decide to charge you with a crime and it makes it to trial, cause they will show that scary MP5K looking thing to the jury and those brainwashed 12 people will think you are a monster who was out looking to murder someone, no matter what happened. Almost everybody who sees that thing will think, "OMG, that must be one of those militia guys." and then be happier if you're just locked away.

Posted: 4/2/2010 5:41:49 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
i appreciate the thought. i agree 100% you should never use a gun you " really like, is really expensive, or is a heirloom" for self defense, because as you said... its almost guaranteed to be confiscated, until the trial is over, probably abused while in custody, and quite possibly never seen again. ..........wish there was some other way around it, but if faced with a threat, my current ccw, is a kimber cdp.... so thats a $1100.00 gun lost for a while if ever used. its sucks... i do appreciate what you were saying. i was not making fun of you. my original sp-89 post was kinda fubar the more i think about it.

My car gun is a Ruger P89. The most dependable auto handgun I've ever shot... and I've shot a lot of handguns. It is big, bulky, and heavy but it always goes bang when you pull the trigger. And you could easily beat someone to death with it if you run out of ammo. I think I paid about $300 for it.

The main problem with using an NFA weapon for personal protection is that they usually look like scary machine guns. Ane when the cops see one they automatically think you were out gunning for someone intead of just defending yourself. They look like they were made for offense instead of defense. Then when they find out that it's a "restricted weapon" it won't even matter if the restriction is just due to a short barrel. It will all sound bad and that will just work against you. Heaven forbid that they ever decide to charge you with a crime and it makes it to trial, cause they will show that scary MP5K looking thing to the jury and those brainwashed 12 people will think you are a monster who was out looking to murder someone, no matter what happened. Almost everybody who sees that thing will think, "OMG, that much be one of those militia guys." and then be happier if you're just locked away.

Good point.

Posted: 4/3/2010 5:04:14 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
i appreciate the thought. i agree 100% you should never use a gun you " really like, is really expensive, or is a heirloom" for self defense, because as you said... its almost guaranteed to be confiscated, until the trial is over, probably abused while in custody, and quite possibly never seen again. ..........wish there was some other way around it, but if faced with a threat, my current ccw, is a kimber cdp.... so thats a $1100.00 gun lost for a while if ever used. its sucks... i do appreciate what you were saying. i was not making fun of you. my original sp-89 post was kinda fubar the more i think about it.

My car gun is a Ruger P89. The most dependable auto handgun I've ever shot... and I've shot a lot of handguns. It is big, bulky, and heavy but it always goes bang when you pull the trigger. And you could easily beat someone to death with it if you run out of ammo. I think I paid about $300 for it.

The main problem with using an NFA weapon for personal protection is that they usually look like scary machine guns. And when the cops see one they automatically think you were out gunning for someone intead of just defending yourself. They look like they were made for offense instead of defense. Then when they find out that it's a "restricted weapon" it won't even matter if the restriction is just due to a short barrel. It will all sound bad and that will just work against you. Heaven forbid that they ever decide to charge you with a crime and it makes it to trial, cause they will show that scary MP5K looking thing to the jury and those brainwashed 12 people will think you are a monster who was out looking to murder someone, no matter what happened. Almost everybody who sees that thing will think, "OMG, that must be one of those militia guys." and then be happier if you're just locked away.

Don't forget that your NFA could end up in the evidence room at the PD and it will not be handled with kid gloves.

Posted: 4/3/2010 9:35:59 AM EDT

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i appreciate the thought. i agree 100% you should never use a gun you " really like, is really expensive, or is a heirloom" for self defense, because as you said... its almost guaranteed to be confiscated, until the trial is over, probably abused while in custody, and quite possibly never seen again. ..........wish there was some other way around it, but if faced with a threat, my current ccw, is a kimber cdp.... so thats a $1100.00 gun lost for a while if ever used. its sucks... i do appreciate what you were saying. i was not making fun of you. my original sp-89 post was kinda fubar the more i think about it.

My car gun is a Ruger P89. The most dependable auto handgun I've ever shot... and I've shot a lot of handguns. It is big, bulky, and heavy but it always goes bang when you pull the trigger. And you could easily beat someone to death with it if you run out of ammo. I think I paid about $300 for it.

The main problem with using an NFA weapon for personal protection is that they usually look like scary machine guns. And when the cops see one they automatically think you were out gunning for someone intead of just defending yourself. They look like they were made for offense instead of defense. Then when they find out that it's a "restricted weapon" it won't even matter if the restriction is just due to a short barrel. It will all sound bad and that will just work against you. Heaven forbid that they ever decide to charge you with a crime and it makes it to trial, cause they will show that scary MP5K looking thing to the jury and those brainwashed 12 people will think you are a monster who was out looking to murder someone, no matter what happened. Almost everybody who sees that thing will think, "OMG, that must be one of those militia guys." and then be happier if you're just locked away.

Don't forget that your NFA could end up in the evidence room at the PD and it will not be handled with kid gloves.

And remember that your NFA could end up getting confiscated by the police and get roughed up a bit while in their custody.

Posted: 4/6/2010 4:36:23 PM EDT

[#35]

I love mine...not one problem in probably 1000 rds. or so. I too am waiting for the Form 1 to come back to SBR it.....I'm not concerned with it taking a sear (too rich for my finances right now), and the barrel doesn't bother me as I like the original MP5K look without the 3 lug. I picked mine up for $1208...add a few US parts, the tax stamp, and I can live with the $$ spent for a reliable, fun gun that's still affordable to shoot (9MM) and always draws a crowd at the range. I'd recommend one to anyone.

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - . MKE AT-94K ??? i want to build a pdw, are these quality?

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